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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 8 Dec 2021

Vol. 1015 No. 5

Criminal Justice (Smuggling of Persons) Bill 2021 [Seanad]: Committee Stage (Resumed) and Remaining Stages

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Debate resumed on amendment No. 5:
In page 11, after line 40, to insert the following:
"Report on operation of the Act
11. The Minister shall, on an annual basis following the passing of this Act, lay a report before both Houses of the Oireachtas detailing—
(a) the number of prosecutions not pursued due to a humanitarian defence,
(b) the number of prosecutions pursued where a humanitarian defence was employed, and
(c) any impact which this Act may have had in respect of the level of engagement of humanitarian organisations in humanitarian activity in respect of smuggled persons.".

I understand that amendments Nos. 5 to 7, inclusive, are being discussed together. It is late and I am not going to speak too long to these amendments. I have said all that I have to say about this Bill. It is unfortunate that the defence we sought was removed; it should have been treated as an exemption if one is a humanitarian organisation or acting for humanitarian purposes. We have lost that.

Amendments Nos. 5 to 7, inclusive, are very basic amendments. I understand the Minister of State does not propose to accept these amendments but maybe I am wrong. These amendments are so factual that I am going to read them out.

Amendment No. 5 reads: "The Minister shall, on an annual basis following the passing of this Act, lay a report before both Houses of the Oireachtas detailing— (a) the number of prosecutions not pursued due to a humanitarian defence". This speaks directly to what the Minister of State said on the last occasion, that he did not expect any prosecutions to be brought if it was a humanitarian organisation or someone acting for humanitarian purposes. We need to see the evidence for that.

The amendment continues: "(b) the number of prosecutions pursued where a humanitarian defence was employed, and (c) any impact which this Act may have had in respect of the level of engagement of humanitarian organisations in humanitarian activity in respect of smuggled persons".

All of the research, comments and evidence from the organisations on the ground are that this legislation will have a chilling effect on humanitarian activities.

Amendment No. 6 provides the Minister shall, within 12 months of the passing of this Act, lay a report before both Houses in regard to training and so on. That is clearly set out. Amendment No. 7 provides that the Minister shall, within 12 months of the passing of this Act, lay a report before both Houses of the Oireachtas setting out proposals to strengthen the identification of smuggled persons and the potential for human rights experts from non-governmental organisations, NGOs, to assist in identification and support of smuggled persons. This comes directly from the UN protocol, which sets out the protection of smuggled persons as one of its main purposes.

I will finish by referring to some of the recommendations of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission, IHREC, in regard to the absence of data. The commission informed us - this was at the point when the Bill was at general scheme stage - that the Bill is silent on data collection, as it still is. The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, OHCHR, recommends that states should continually assess the human rights impact of migration measures and consider facilitating independent monitoring of the operation of migration policies and legislation. It further states that the Council of the European Union has stressed the need to significantly increase and improve the collection, sharing and analysis of data and knowledge about migrant smuggling in order to develop more effective, co-ordinated evidence-based policies. On the previous occasion, I cited the European Parliament and I will do so again. It states that member states should put in place adequate systems to monitor the enforcement and effective practical application of the facilitators' package - which is the overall name for the directive and decision that this legislation is trying to implement - by collecting and recording annually information about the number of people arrested for facilitation at the border and inland and so on. There are, therefore, any number of organisations telling us that we need to collect data.

In regard to human trafficking, Ireland has been placed on a watch list by a particular organisation in the United States. The Minister of State took exception to us quoting it on the last occasion, but they are the facts.

I ask the Minister of State to take on board these three amendments. I indicated that I could not vote for this legislation, even though I see the importance of it in terms of strengthening the penal procedure and penal provisions to stop smuggling and to catch smugglers. Unfortunately, in trying to do that we have made it much harder for humanitarian organisations on the ground by not providing them an exemption and by providing that we will only allow it as a defence, which is a penalty. Even if there is no prosecution, they are being penalised. That is unacceptable. I might have supported the Bill if the Minister of State had been prepared to take these three amendments on board because they are very factual. It would show that the Government is open to learning and to putting the evidence before us and, in the future, changing the legislation accordingly, if necessary.

I omitted to mention that there are four Ministers present to emphasise the importance of this particular matter, which is particularly good. The next speaker is Deputy Howlin.

I, too, will try to be brief. This is important and timely legislation. Members may not be aware of it, but today, 8 December, is the 20th anniversary of the finding of a container in Wexford, my home town, wherein Kurds and Turkish men, women and children were entombed, five of whom died. There was a memorial service this morning, at which the chairman of Wexford County Council laid a wreath.

We need robust legislation to tackle those responsible, who make money from the misery of human trafficking, but this has to be done in a way that facilitates humanitarian actions. I know that is the Minister of State's intention as we have debated it at length. The Minister of State tells us that section 9 of the Bill provides the humanitarian assistance defence. The issue about which we have been arguing over the last three nights we have been debating this legislation is that it is a defence that can be deployed by humanitarian organisations post facto, that is, after a prosecution is commenced. We argued on previous amendments that that is the wrong balance and that there should be an exemption for clearly defined humanitarian action such that any humanitarian actor assisting a migrant cannot fall foul of or be caught in legislation designed to deal with traffickers.

At the core of the Minister of State's argument is a simple fact that since the initial legislation was enacted 20 years ago, there have been only two prosecutions. The Minister of State has told us that that is because it is impossible to prosecute a human trafficker or a people smuggler because financial gain has to be proved and that has proven impossible. Unfortunately, the flaw in the Minister of State's argument is that he does not know that to be the fact because he has never provided us with the data as we do not collect data. How many prosecutions have failed? How many investigations have reached the point of "if only we could prove this net point, we could prosecute"? We do not know that.

Deputy Connolly's amendment No. 5 provides that going forward we should be armed with that data. That is not only a reasonable proposal, it is an essential one. The amendment provides that the Minister shall, on an annual basis following the passing of this Act, lay a report before both Houses of the Oireachtas detailing the number of prosecutions not pursued due to a humanitarian defence, the number of prosecutions pursued where a humanitarian defence was employed and any impact which this Act may have had in respect of the level of engagement of humanitarian organisations in humanitarian activity in respect of smuggled persons. Surely, that is data we need to have to know that we are actually doing what the Minister of State or the House wants to do, namely, to put in place robust legislation that will enable us to prosecute people traffickers who are gaining financial benefit from human misery while, at the same time, ensuring that we in no way criminalise, even to the point of threatening to prosecute, bona fide humanitarian actors, be they organisations or individuals, who are simply motivated in rescuing people in peril through desperation, whether embarking in the back of a truck into the ports of Rosslare or Waterford or on a rubber raft approaching our coast, or the coast of any other country because this legislation is multinational in scope with international jurisdiction.

I ask the Minister of State to consider and accept these amendments. This legislation is important and I will be supporting it and recommending that my party supports it, but it will be flawed if we do not have the data that Deputy Connolly's amendments would require the State to provide to the Oireachtas on an annual basis.

This is a very important debate. I will be supporting Deputy Connolly's amendments, both in terms of providing the House with the statistics on prosecutions but also with regard to the protection of smuggled persons from prosecutions from the act of being smuggled. The Bill is silent on the rights of smuggled persons - victims - and that is wrong. I have no doubt that fear of prosecution or deportation is deterring victims from coming forward to report those who smuggled or trafficked them. Statistics released to Aontú are startling. I credit Luke Silke for the work he has done on this. These statistics were provided by the Department of Justice in the past week. They show that in the past decade there have been 1,000 offences for sexual exploitation or trafficking of persons before the courts. Shockingly, the vast majority of these cases relate to the sexual exploitation of children and, incredibly, of these 1,000 cases, a mere three people have been convicted in a District Court.

It would be fair to say this is not the full picture. For those where charges have been brought against persons, there are many others who never see the light of day or remain undetected by gardaí. There has to be an answer to that crisis that is happening in Ireland. This is happening in real time. It is happening in every town and city in the country where children are being trafficked into this country and are being sexually exploited. It is barbaric and it demands a far more rigorous response from this Chamber and from this Government. We need to strengthen the laws, not only on smuggling but also on trafficking. Unfortunately, given that Government has already indicated its opposition to these amendments, many smuggled persons will refrain from reporting offences because they are afraid they will face prosecution or deportation as a result of coming forward, and that means that many of these terrible crimes will continue. I urge the Government to support these amendments.

I thank Deputy Connolly for her proposed amendments. I will speak to the three grouped for discussion: amendment No. 5 in respect of reporting around prosecutions in humanitarian assistance, and amendments Nos. 6 and 7 in respect of training and identification.

Like Deputy Howlin, I would like to remember the tragic events that unfolded in Wexford 20 years ago yesterday, 8 December - we are gone into the 9th now. Deputy Howlin, on a previous occasion, expressed very eloquently the experience that day. The Deputy was there on the ground on that day. We think of those families and those people today and what those surviving families are still going through. They were Kurdish and Turkish.

I appreciate the concerns that have been raised in respect of the approach to humanitarian assistance but I do not intend to revisit the discussions we had previously. I accept we have good faith differences on that point of what is the correct approach, but I will limit my comments to the amendments at hand.

I would first emphasise that a post-enactment report will be prepared on this Bill in accordance with Standing Orders and laid before this House, and this will provide an opportunity to address some of the issues of concern to the Deputies. I think it is fair to say that should the scenario Deputy Connolly is afraid of come to pass, a politicised prosecution of an NGO, it will be, by definition, in the public eye and we will all be very much aware of it.

This will also be considered at a European level in the coming years. The European Commission is committed to a review of the action plan against migrant smuggling in 2023, which will consider a range of matters, including the types of measures that are being implemented in member states and the effectiveness of the facilitators' package. If necessary, the Commission will propose to revise the legal framework, and implementation of that will come before the Oireachtas in due course. I look forward to seeing this EU review take place. Throughout these debates, the message has come through very clearly regarding the vital importance of a coherent migration plan across the bloc and, indeed, the deficiencies in the current approach.

We have revisited some harrowing experiences of migrants trying to escape what are simply desperate situations and acknowledge the difficulties they face in seeking safe passage and what they sacrifice to seek safe haven for themselves and for their families. Of course, it is also not lost on me that this Bill is being debated today, on that 20th anniversary.

More specifically, amendment No. 5 envisages an annual statutory report on the number of prosecutions pursued and not pursued due to humanitarian defence. I understand where the Deputy is coming from but I do not believe it is practical. Any possible prosecution goes through several stages from suspicion and investigation to the preparation of a file for the Director of Public Prosecutions, DPP, and a direction to prosecute. It may be the case that an investigation is not pursued at an early stage where it is clear it would fall under the defence. It would also almost always be the case that there are multiple factors influencing a decision whether to prosecute. Any statistics would be inherently misleading.

In respect of subsection (c) of the amendment dealing with the effect of the Act on humanitarian organisations, I do not see an annual statutory reporting obligation as being an appropriate way of assessing this. It may well be the case that further research would be valuable in terms of perspectives of NGOs towards Ireland's approach to migrants and how we protect those in vulnerable situations, but to be valuable that needs a wider scope than this Act.

In terms of amendments Nos. 6 and 7, these focus on training, in particular, around identification. How we identify those in vulnerable situations is clearly very important. However, I would suggest that this is better addressed in the upcoming trafficking legislation in respect of human trafficking and the national referral mechanism. People who are vulnerable and require protection may or may not have been smuggled, they may or may not have entered into the State irregularly, and they may or may not be in the international protection process. Looking at these issues through a smuggling lens is not, in my view, the correct approach.

As I mentioned on Second Stage, this House will be aware there is significant work ongoing in this area. I referred to some aspects of this in my Second Stage speech. These include the appointment of a national rapporteur, the development of the national referral mechanism, and the development of a new action plan on trafficking with legislation to go alongside that. There has also been work on developing of training through NGOs targeting front-line staff in hospitality, airline and shipping industries who may have come into contact with trafficked persons, and providing dedicated accommodation for female victims of sexual exploitation.

There are also improvements being made to the criminal justice system to support victims through the implementation of Supporting a Victim's Journey, the running of a new awareness-raising campaign in partnership with the International Organization for Migration, an increase in funding for support of victims of crime generally, and increased funding dedicated directly to supporting victims of trafficking. The Department is reforming the criminal justice system to ensure all victims, including those both smuggled and trafficked, are better supported and empowered. It is vital that victims are confident in the knowledge they will be supported, informed and treated with respect and dignity by the system and by everyone they come into contact with as part of their journey.

In the circumstances, I cannot accept the amendment.

Amendment put:
The Committee divided: Tá, 50; Níl, 72; Staon, 0.

  • Andrews, Chris.
  • Bacik, Ivana.
  • Brady, John.
  • Browne, Martin.
  • Buckley, Pat.
  • Cairns, Holly.
  • Carthy, Matt.
  • Clarke, Sorca.
  • Connolly, Catherine.
  • Conway-Walsh, Rose.
  • Cronin, Réada.
  • Crowe, Seán.
  • Cullinane, David.
  • Daly, Pa.
  • Doherty, Pearse.
  • Donnelly, Paul.
  • Ellis, Dessie.
  • Farrell, Mairéad.
  • Fitzmaurice, Michael.
  • Funchion, Kathleen.
  • Gannon, Gary.
  • Gould, Thomas.
  • Guirke, Johnny.
  • Howlin, Brendan.
  • Kelly, Alan.
  • Kenny, Gino.
  • Kerrane, Claire.
  • Mac Lochlainn, Pádraig.
  • McNamara, Michael.
  • Munster, Imelda.
  • Murphy, Catherine.
  • Murphy, Paul.
  • Mythen, Johnny.
  • Nash, Ged.
  • O'Callaghan, Cian.
  • O'Rourke, Darren.
  • Ó Broin, Eoin.
  • Ó Murchú, Ruairí.
  • Ó Ríordáin, Aodhán.
  • Ó Snodaigh, Aengus.
  • Pringle, Thomas.
  • Quinlivan, Maurice.
  • Ryan, Patricia.
  • Shortall, Róisín.
  • Stanley, Brian.
  • Tóibín, Peadar.
  • Tully, Pauline.
  • Ward, Mark.
  • Whitmore, Jennifer.
  • Wynne, Violet-Anne.

Níl

  • Brophy, Colm.
  • Browne, James.
  • Bruton, Richard.
  • Burke, Colm.
  • Burke, Peter.
  • Butler, Mary.
  • Cahill, Jackie.
  • Calleary, Dara.
  • Canney, Seán.
  • Cannon, Ciarán.
  • Carey, Joe.
  • Carroll MacNeill, Jennifer.
  • Chambers, Jack.
  • Collins, Niall.
  • Costello, Patrick.
  • Coveney, Simon.
  • Cowen, Barry.
  • Crowe, Cathal.
  • Devlin, Cormac.
  • Dillon, Alan.
  • Donnelly, Stephen.
  • Duffy, Francis Noel.
  • Durkan, Bernard J.
  • English, Damien.
  • Feighan, Frankie.
  • Flaherty, Joe.
  • Fleming, Sean.
  • Foley, Norma.
  • Griffin, Brendan.
  • Harris, Simon.
  • Haughey, Seán.
  • Heydon, Martin.
  • Higgins, Emer.
  • Hourigan, Neasa.
  • Humphreys, Heather.
  • Kehoe, Paul.
  • Lahart, John.
  • Lawless, James.
  • Madigan, Josepha.
  • Martin, Catherine.
  • Matthews, Steven.
  • McAuliffe, Paul.
  • McConalogue, Charlie.
  • McGrath, Michael.
  • McHugh, Joe.
  • Moynihan, Aindrias.
  • Moynihan, Michael.
  • Murnane O'Connor, Jennifer.
  • Noonan, Malcolm.
  • O'Brien, Darragh.
  • O'Brien, Joe.
  • O'Callaghan, Jim.
  • O'Connor, James.
  • O'Dea, Willie.
  • O'Donnell, Kieran.
  • O'Donovan, Patrick.
  • O'Dowd, Fergus.
  • O'Gorman, Roderic.
  • O'Sullivan, Christopher.
  • O'Sullivan, Pádraig.
  • Ó Cathasaigh, Marc.
  • Phelan, John Paul.
  • Rabbitte, Anne.
  • Richmond, Neale.
  • Ring, Michael.
  • Ryan, Eamon.
  • Smith, Brendan.
  • Smyth, Niamh.
  • Smyth, Ossian.
  • Stanton, David.
  • Troy, Robert.
  • Varadkar, Leo.

Staon

Tellers: Tá, Deputies Catherine Connolly and Brendan Howlin; Níl, Deputies Jack Chambers and Brendan Griffin.
Amendment declared lost.

I move amendment No. 6:

In page 11, after line 40, to insert the following:

Report on training

11. The Minister shall, within 12 months of the passing of this Act, lay a report before both Houses of the Oireachtas outlining—

(a) the training provided to frontline staff involved in the identification of smuggled persons,

(b) measures which may be taken to improve such training in particular in relation to the provision of supports that a smuggled person may need in order to exercise their rights under international protection, and

(c) consideration of the need for additional personnel, including independent civilian experts.”.

Amendment put and declared lost.

I move amendment No. 7:

In page 11, after line 40, to insert the following:

Report on identification of smuggled persons

11. The Minister shall, within 12 months of the passing of this Act, lay a report before both Houses of the Oireachtas setting out proposals to strengthen the identification of smuggled persons and the potential for human rights experts from non-governmental organisations to assist in identification and support of smuggled persons.”.

Amendment put and declared lost.
Section 11 agreed to.
Sections 12 to 30, inclusive, agreed to.
TITLE
Question proposed: "That the Title be the Title to the Bill."

Will the Deputies claiming a division please rise?

Deputies Catherine Connolly and Thomas Pringle rose.

As fewer than ten Members have risen I declare the question carried. In accordance with Standing Order 82 the names of the Deputies dissenting will be recorded in the Journal of the Proceedings of the Dáil.

Bill reported without amendment and received for final consideration.
Question proposed: "That the Bill do now pass".

It is not agreed. That is the point. It is what we disagree on.

Question put and declared carried.
The Dáil adjourned at 12.55 a.m until 9 a.m. on Thursday, 9 December 2021.
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