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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 1 Jun 2022

Vol. 1023 No. 2

Ceisteanna ó Cheannairí - Leaders' Questions

Níl dabht ar bith ach go bhfuil an ghéarchéim sa chostas maireachtála ag tiomáint níos mó agus níos mó teaghlaigh go dtí pointe na bochtaineachta, agus nár oibrigh an méid atá déanta ag an Rialtas go dtí seo. Tá rudaí ag dul ó olc go holc agus tá daoine ag streachailt chun íoc as earraí riachtanacha. Tá sé in am do cháinaisnéis éigeandála, a chuirfidh airgead ar ais i bpócaí gnáthdhaoine na tíre seo. The soaring cost of living now has many workers and families at breaking point. On radio this morning we heard testimonies from people who face heartbreaking choices to make it to the end of the week. We heard about families having to go without breakfast, children going without cereal. We heard of a mother talk of her child, saying he has a hole in his shoe and having to tell him he will have to wait for another pair. Parents spoke of the pressure they feel when their children come home and tell them they are going on a school tour. A child going on a school tour should not be a household crisis, but it is for too many. But this is now the hard experience of so many people.

The cost-of-living crisis is pushing more and more people to the edge of poverty. Food poverty is now a feature of life for an ever-growing number of children. The growing need for foodbanks is a stark testament to this reality right across the State. A foodbank in the midlands is now feeding up to 5,000 people and it expects that figure to rise to 15,000 over the next period. Those who never thought they would need such help are now standing in queues waiting to be fed by charities. People are working long hours, and the soaring costs mean that they simply cannot get by. It is soul-destroying.

As families keep an eye to every euro they spend, yesterday the Taoiseach told them to prepare for a rocky road ahead, to be ready for a new era of high fuel and energy costs. This is astonishing because workers and families have been walking the rocky road of extortionate fuel and energy costs for the best part of a year now. To tell people, as he did, who are already struggling to pay their bills that they will have to tighten their belts even further is painfully out of touch, while at the same time ruling out from him as Taoiseach further Government action until October at the very earliest. Does this Government understand the pressure that real families and workers are under right across the State? We are talking about households who have to deal with rip-off rents, food prices that are increasing sharply, big energy bills and childcare fees that cost a second mortgage for many. People cannot catch their breath. They cannot catch a break. Many are having to choose between having lunch or filling the car to go to work, and now prices at the pumps are shooting up once again.

The Government's approach to this crisis has failed. It has been piecemeal, slow and sluggish and its measures have not made a dent in the costs people face. So now is the time for a real and comprehensive plan of action. We need a mini budget right now aimed at getting costs down right across the board. There is room within the public finances for the Government to act, and it is not just me and Sinn Féin saying that. That is also the view of the Irish Fiscal Advisory Council and also the view of the Central Bank, so you need to listen. You need to listen to what families have been saying on "Morning Ireland" this morning, families who are coming to all our constituency offices. They are telling you loud and clear, they cannot hang on for another five months. The Taoiseach and his Government need to understand where people are at. They need to do what is necessary and to bring forward a mini budget to deal with this crisis.

An rud is tábhachtaí, ar mo shon féin agus do gach éinne sa Teach seo, ná an fhírinne a thabhairt don tír go hiomlán agus a insint do mhuintir na tíre agus a bheith macánta leo. Is é sin a dheineas inné. It should not be astonishing, as he has said, to tell the truth. What I said yesterday was telling the truth about a new era of an increase in pricing around fossil fuels. The reason for that is that this week we will mark the grim milestone of 100 days since Russia's unjustified, illegal and immoral invasion of Ukraine. That invasion has brought untold misery, death and human suffering. Almost 6 million Ukrainian people, half of them children, have been put on the road, have had to flee their country, and have been forced to try to find sanctuary where they can get it, equivalent to the entire population of this country. That invasion has brought that suffering but it also has brought extraordinary economic cost and disruption with it. The Deputy did not refer to it at all in his contribution, which was wrong of him because we need to be honest with people. This war is having a terrible impact on the world, primarily in terms of the deaths of so many Ukrainians and the terrible trauma they are experiencing, but also bringing about huge economic cost and disruption, triggering a massive spike in the cost of energy, and with a huge increase in the cost of a vast range of other materials, affecting food and agriculture in terms of fertiliser and so on, which all input into our society and economic system, and also, most devastating of all, it is causing and will continue to cause a major food security crisis.

Yesterday the European Union spoke to the President of the African Union, which is extremely concerned about the impacts of this war on famine or the prospects of creating a really significant famine. The Russian ambassador and the Russian President would have us all believe that this is the fault of western governments, and we need to be careful that we do not fall into the Putin trap of laying all the blame domestically because he wants western states to buckle under the pressure that he deliberately and premeditatedly created. Putin wanted to create an energy crisis, he wants to create a food crisis and he wanted to create a migration crisis, all part of the one immoral and unjustifiable war. That is why we have very significant manifestation of that in the form of high energy prices for our people, putting many people under pressure. I do not dispute that; people are under a lot of pressure because of this and because of the deliberate policies of the Putin regime. To be fair to the Irish people, they have responded magnificently in how they have brought in and worked, through communities and volunteerism, with Ukrainians across the country.

The Deputy said earlier that the Government has been slow, tardy. It has not, actually. It has allocated since last October €2.5 billion to cost-of-living issues in terms of cutting taxes and increasing welfare rates. We have increased the fuel allowance rate, for example, by about 55%, a €404 increase from 2021 to 2022. We have reduced excise duty on petrol, diesel and green diesel, about €9 and €12 each time people fill their tank-----

Tá an t-am istigh.

-----and we have reduced VAT and so on.

The Government has responded already to the cost-of-living crisis, more than it would in a normal budget, but it is very severe on people. We need to be-----

The time is up.

We will develop a collective response to deal with it.

The Taoiseach is not a commentator. We all know the external factors that are pushing up prices. They have been referenced many times before, but that does not absolve him as Taoiseach or the Government from acting and doing everything in their power to protect households and families here. Households are struggling to make it to the end of the week and the Taoiseach is telling them that they have to tighten their belt and that as the leader of this Government, he is not going to intervene with any single further measure until at least October, at the very earliest. That is testament of a Taoiseach and a Government who are so far out of touch we could not make it up. Forget about what we are saying, the Government should listen to what ordinary people are saying. People are going in their thousands to food banks. Many households cannot put food on the table. They are making seriously difficult choices about going from A to B - getting to work, going for a hospital appointment or feeding their children with a bowl of cereal in the morning. The Taoiseach stands there and says he is not going to intervene for another five months at the earliest. We know the Government cannot do everything but it needs to do more. It needs to bring forward a mini budget-----

I thank the Deputy. The time is up.

-----and at least to look at the proposals that we brought forward, and it needs to support workers and families in these extraordinary times.

Deputy Doherty did not once refer to the cause of the crisis in his original contribution to this House, which we all know, because his objective is to lay all of the blame on the Government, just like the Russian ambassador did yesterday. The aim is to blame the government of the day.

The key point is that we have taken a lot of measures, which Deputy Doherty has ignored and has decided not to acknowledge. I referenced some of them. We have cut public transport fares by 20%, and fares for young people by 50%. We have lowered the threshold for the drug payment scheme to €80 per month, benefitting more than 17,000 families. We have brought forward a working-family payment budget increase. We abolished inpatient hospital charges for children. We capped annual rent increases at 2%. We also introduced significant supports for the different sectors of the economy affected by the very significant prices. I refer to hauliers, grain farmers and pig farmers, among others, who are affected. In addition, we have launched a significant national retrofitting scheme.

The time is up.

The cutting of tax and the increases in social protection matter. We want to now explore with the social partners how we deal with this in a comprehensive, strategic way. The one thing we cannot do, which the Deputy wants to do-----

The time is up.

You cannot chase inflation away month after month by €1 billion or €2 billion a month. That is not a sustainable pathway.

We are way over time.

What the Deputy is proposing is to create even further inflation over and above what is there-----

What I am proposing is that the Taoiseach should sit down. He is embarrassing himself.

Members should please not interrupt.

-----all with a view to pursuing electoral advantage over a crisis that has been caused by a brutal regime.

Could we have order please?

We support the people who are queuing at food banks. What about that for an idea?

Deputy Doherty should please not interrupt. He has asked his question.

Yesterday, the Taoiseach spoke about the importance of honesty, but does he not need to be honest with the people about the climate action plan? Clearly, that plan is failing, and spectacularly so, it must be said. According to the Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, even if every planned measure in the plan was implemented in full, our emissions would only be reduced by 28%. The legally binding target is 51%. With just eight years to go to reach this target, our emissions are going up not down. Last year, our emissions increased by 6%. The Taoiseach says all the right things when it comes to the climate crisis: that climate change is the single greatest threat facing humanity and that the time to act is now. We all agree with that but climate rhetoric is not climate action. There is a plan, but little or no implementation. Even if there were, the planned measures are not sufficient to allow us to reach our targets.

It is as if the Government is setting us up to fail. That failure will not just be felt by the current generation, but by future generations also. If our emissions keep rising over the course of the lifetime of the Government, we will have lost the opportunity to reach our climate targets by 2030. There would simply be too much ground to make up and not enough time. Of course there are changes that we all must make but there are certain changes that can only be made by the Government. The public cannot put restrictions on the development of data centres, for example, which now use more electricity than all of the rural homes in this country. Neither can the public ensure a coherent planning and regulatory system is in place to develop our offshore wind potential, incentivise farmers to diversify or introduce a retrofitting scheme that people can actually afford. That is the Taoiseach's job. The big, bold measures that are needed, such as massive public infrastructure and projects like the metro to get people out of their cars are simply not happening quickly enough. Meeting our climate targets will not be easy. We all know that, and nobody should pretend that they will be, but we need a fighting chance, and we are not getting it from the Government.

First, what immediate changes is the Government going to make in response to the EPA report? Second, is it going to make changes to the retrofit scheme to make it more affordable for ordinary people? Third, when does he expect to see our emissions actually reduce?

First, I disagree with the Deputy's analysis of the Government's commitment to climate change. This Government has introduced some of the most significant climate change legislation. The targets we have set are unprecedented. They create a legal obligation on the Government and future governments, which is the first requirement. For example, we introduced the carbon tax, which gives resources both now and in the future to deal with fuel poverty and retrofitting. It gives the funding to enable retrofitting to happen. That is provided for in legislation in the terms of the publication of the climate action plan, it will be very challenging. That is why we need everybody in the House on board in respect of the actions that have to be taken. I do not know whether Deputy Shortall continues to support the increases in carbon tax. I am not clear how she responded to the turf issue recently. She seemed to box in different directions and articulate against the Government on that.

No, we have been very clear about that.

In my view, the plan that we have put forward is transformative. It details what we must do to meet this challenge in terms of reducing overall greenhouse gas emissions by 51% by 2030. I agree with the EPA that implementation is key, in terms of the urgent implementation of climate plans and policies. The sectoral emissions ceilings will be brought before the Cabinet shortly by the Minister for the Environment, Climate and Communications, Deputy Eamon Ryan. Without question, all sectors will have to play a role. Significant progress is being made across the board. What we are doing now will set the foundations for transformative change in respect of our climate performance as a country in terms of reducing emissions. The legislation we passed, which met opposition from quite a number of Members, and the measures we have taken, give us a foundation and a base but each sector of the economy and society will have to step up in terms of its performance and in getting emissions reduced. That is the clear commitment of the Government in terms of behavioural change that we are bringing about through a range of instruments at our disposal - taxation, incentives, and various initiatives we have taken in agriculture, enterprise and in respect of the energy efficiency side. The retrofitting grants are the most extensive yet announced. The allocation of resources has been significant, but more important, we have given the industry in that area a clear timeline to the end of the decade, by virtue of the carbon tax. We have given it a clear indication that it can be certain about that revenue stream to enable us to retrofit thousands of houses.

The Taoiseach cannot argue with the figures. The emissions are going up, not down, and they have increased by 6% in the past year. The strategy is not working. The Government needs to do an awful lot more. Just today, the EPA said a step up, both in the implementation of actions already set out in plans and policies and in the identification of new measures, is needed.

What are those new measures? Will the Taoiseach tell us what they are?

He has been promising sectoral plans for a long time now. When exactly will we see them?

It will be very shortly. The Minister will bring it before Cabinet and we will then bring it to the Dáil. He is adhering to the timeline he has set.

Will the Taoiseach put a date on it?

There is a whole range of targets in the climate action plan across the board-----

-----including for electric vehicles, retrofitting, riparian schemes in agriculture, which we have developed and will shortly be announced by the Minister of State at the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine, Senator Hackett, in respect of the growing of trees adjacent to waterways and rivers and so on.

A lot of progress has been made.

When will we see them?

A lot of hard work has gone into this in terms of the engagement, Department by Department, with the Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications in respect of the ceilings each sector will have to achieve.

When will we see them?

I said it would be shortly. When we bring it before the Government, we will bring it before-----

The Taoiseach has been saying that for a long time. When will we see them?

I have not been saying it for a long time.

The Deputy should allow the Taoiseach to speak without interruption.

The Minister has been very clear in outlining the various steps that have to be taken from the publication of the plan onwards.

The whistleblower, Mr. Shane Corr, was suspended last week because he put information in the public domain that explained the dysfunctionality of the Department of Health and the HSE. His actions were admirable and without doubt in the public interest. He has done this State some service but it appears if someone does the State a service, they will get suspended.

The chief executive of Wexford County Council, Mr. Tom Enright, has had one of the most damaging findings from the Standards in Public Office Commission, SIPO, against him and, rather than suspend him pending an investigation, councillors in Wexford exonerated him, and gave him a round of applause and a standing ovation. These councillors were led by Fianna Fáil's chair, Councillor Barbara-Anne Murphy. SIPO found, among other things, that Mr. Enright was using the weight of the public purse to influence editorial content at the local radio station, South East Radio. Days after the finding, Wexford County Council wrote to South East Radio seeking to influence editorial content yet again. I previously raised this matter with the Taoiseach in the House and, quite rightly, he condemned this appalling behaviour. However, following his condemnation, Wexford County Council wrote to South East Radio for the third time seeking to negotiate editorial terms in exchange for advertising in the guise of a service level agreement. South East Radio has called for an independent investigation and, according to yesterday's The Irish Times, states it is supported in this call by Independent Broadcasters of Ireland.

The Taoiseach's colleague, Fianna Fáil chairperson Barbara-Anne Murphy, said she was considering how to move matters forward. In that regard, the chief executive, Mr. Enright, and Fianna Fáil Councillor Murphy, now want to mediate on the terms of the editorial output of the radio station. It appears they think it is appropriate to mediate on one of the most fundamental principles that underwrites our democracy and Constitution, namely, freedom of the press. It further appears Government councillors believe the only wrong caused in this controversy was that all the correspondence was in writing. The controversy is very damaging and dangerous, not just for Wexford but as a whole.

Does the Taoiseach think it is appropriate to mediate with a broadcaster on its editorial policy? I do not believe he does. When will he take action to give effect to his own words and suspend the chief executive, pending the outcome of an investigation conducted by an independent senior counsel to be appointed? Does he believe, as his actions to date suggest, that a damning finding from SIPO is so irrelevant that no action should be taken?

I do not know what the Deputy means by my "actions to date". I will park that for a moment. In the first instance, she raised an issue in respect of an individual she identified, Mr. Shane Corr. It is not appropriate for me to discuss human resource issues regarding individuals. There are many aspects to that entire situation that merit an objective assessment. I will say no more than that on what appears to have transpired there, which some will have some misgivings about. I am talking about others who participated in meetings and were speaking freely, perhaps not realising that what they were saying was either being recorded or distributed. That is an issue that needs to be resolved and dealt with within the HR structures of the Department of Health. I will say no more than that, at this stage.

I have made my position very clear in respect of the Wexford county manager and the SIPO judgment and conclusion on that. I have also made it very clear that no county manager and no local authority should ever attempt to leverage any advertisements in any local station or any newsprint media, with a view to editorial control or to somehow influence the content of any programme or news programme, or in any way attempt to interfere in the editorial independence of a news outlet. That is not right. It is wrong and I have said that repeatedly. I stand by that.

There are various mechanisms and structures. We are not the local authority. We are the Dáil. The local authority has mechanisms available to it, if it so wishes, to deal with any issues that relate to a manager or whatever. That is a matter for the authority and it has to look at it in the round and make its judgments. That is why we have local authorities. Very often, Deputies in this House criticise the lack of independence and autonomy for local authorities but, when an issue arises in a local authority, they say the Minister or Taoiseach of the day must intervene straight away. We have democratically locally elected authorities and they need to get on with it.

I do not know why the Deputy is personalising it by mentioning the cathaoirleach, Councillor Barbara-Anne Murphy, because a cross-party approach seems to have been adopted on this matter. It was not any one particular party or individual. I happen to know the cathaoirleach and, down through the years, I have found her to be a very decent person and a person of integrity. I do not think it is fair that the Deputy would come to the Chamber and personalise it to the degree she has.

We have heard it all before. Every time the Taoiseach says it, it just gets ignored. When he talked about honesty being the order of the day, the key point is that when somebody does something right in the Civil Service to ensure the public is safeguarded, they get punished. When a person does something wrong, and the State watchdog is scathing in its delivery of a report on that wrongdoing, they get a round of applause and a standing ovation from a county council led by a Fianna Fáil chair, Ms Barbara-Anne Murphy. That is the point. If that is the picture the Taoiseach wants to paint, that is very damning in itself. We have a report that is damning to the core of standards in public office but that appears to be without consequence for the chief executive. As a result, the wrongdoings will be repeated and ongoing, causing a scandal for Wexford.

This no longer an issue for the councillors. It is now a political issue. As far as I am concerned, while all the parties supported the chief executive and ignored the report, the Taoiseach's party led the council through the chair, Barbara-Anne Murphy. If the Taoiseach cannot take charge of the matter, appoint an independent investigator and place the chief executive on garden leave pending an outcome, we do not have much regard for freedom of the press.

I do not have the powers to appoint an independent investigator to a local authority. There are established structures, first of all, within local authorities to deal with this. The Deputy should engage with the council and councillors herself, meet all the parties on the council, if that is her view, and hear what they are saying.

They are the Taoiseach's foot soldiers.

The Deputy admitted it was cross-party.

The Independents did not.

The Deputy admitted it was cross-party. I have made it very clear I do not support what transpired.

It does not really matter.

It does matter.

The Deputy should allow the Taoiseach to reply without interruption.

It does matter. If it does not, why is the Deputy raising it?

It matters to the people of Wexford.

I have responded to the Deputy on the principle of this.

Fianna Fáil does not care-----

When I went to Wexford, in the presence of the radio station, I made it very clear-----

Freedom of the press.

Again, the Deputy is interrupting. I made it very clear that it was absolutely unacceptable for any local authority to try to interfere or editorially control any radio station or any newspaper by dint of the fact that it invests in advertising. That is wrong. SIPO has called that out, and----

Was it wrong to give him a standing ovation?

Time is up, please. I call Deputy Connolly.

-----I have made that very clear, but I do not know why the Deputy is trying to twist it and personalise it-----

There is no twisting. These are facts.

-----in the manner she has done today, which is not good either.

Deputy Connolly, please.

Ba mhaith liom filleadh ar an ábhar athrú aeráide, go háirid i gcomhthéacs na tuarascála damanta a d’fhoilsigh an áisíneacht EPA inniu agus an teachtaireacht láidir nach bhfuilimid chun ár spriocanna a chomhlíonadh. An teachtaireacht ba láidre ón tuarascáil sin ná go bhfuil sé thar am beart a dhéanamh de réir ár mbriathar.

I am returning to the issue of climate change in the context of Galway city and today's report from the EPA. The strong message from the EPA is that we need to stop talking and take action. This message comes after the UN Secretary General stated:

Some Government and business leaders are saying one thing, but doing another. Simply put, they are lying. And the results will be catastrophic.

I am not interested in having a back and forth with smart comments. Let me pre-empt the Taoiseach's indignation and outrage by saying that I welcome the changes the Government has made to public transport. I say this in the context of Galway city. Táim ag díriú an spotsolas ar chathair na Gaillimhe, atá plúchta le truailliú tráchta, rud atá ag cur isteach ar mhuintir na cathrach, ar a gcuid sláinte agus ar ghnó na cathrach. I am asking the Taoiseach to stop the rhetoric and smart comments. I will not engage in them today; this is far too serious. We have a beautiful city, cathair dhátheangach ar thairseach na Gaeltachta is mó sa tír, smothered with traffic. We have a traffic plan that is not fit for purpose. Indeed, it was not fit for purpose in 2016.

I had the privilege of being mayor. With the co-operation of the councillors, we included park-and-ride facilities in the city development plan in 2005, but here we are however many years later and there are still no park-and-ride facilities in Galway. We have a National Transport Authority, NTA, without any sense of urgency or reality as regards climate change telling us that it is now looking at the eastern side of the city while utterly forgetting the western side.

I will speak about the positive changes that have occurred. There has been a reduction in transport fares, which begs the question as to why public transport has not been made completely free of charge, even on a pilot basis, given the astronomical climate challenges we are facing. Public transport works.

Regarding Galway, will the Taoiseach commit to having a feasibility study on light rail? The Minister for Transport has repeatedly stated, including no later than two or three weeks ago, that there is no problem with money. In 2018, 22,500 people signed a petition. I have repeatedly brought this matter to the attention of this and the previous Governments. I am simply asking for a feasibility study as one ingredient in the transformative change that Galway city needs.

Go bunúsach, aontaím leis an Teachta go bhfuil géarghá ann i bhfad níos mó a dhéanamh chomh tapa agus is féidir linn, agus é a dhéanamh níos tapúla, chun déileáil leis an ngéarchéim aeráide atá againn. Tá an dúshlán atá amach romhainn práinneach agus caithfimid i bhfad níos mó a dhéanamh níos tapúla.

I agree with the Deputy that we have to move faster and we have to do an awful lot more in terms of climate change. I recently heard Mr. John Kerry, the US envoy, pointing out that world experts were saying that even if we took action now, it would not stop a crisis caused by climate change. It would just stop the worst consequences of the crisis. Already, we are experiencing a crisis brought about by climate change. The challenge ahead of us now is to move fast as a world to prevent the worst consequences. We have a lot of drought in the Horn of Africa, for example. We have desertification and so on. We have got to move quickly. That is why we have taken measures. I appreciate that the Deputy has acknowledged that in terms of some of the public transport measures in particular. She has referenced those in terms of the experience in Galway.

I will talk to the Minister, Deputy Eamon Ryan. My view is that he is committed to the idea of light rail in all of our cities. In terms of commissioning a feasibility study in respect of that, I will talk to him.

I know that in the recovery and resilience plan, significant funding was allocated, for example, in the Cork area for the Mallow-Midleton commuter line through Kent Station, with a view to creating proper commuter lines that would encourage development, including residential development, compact growth and so on in the cities and towns. Likewise in terms of fare reductions, we will continue to look at that issue in the context of the next budget in terms of that strategy and encouraging people to use public transport.

I did not get a chance in the earlier exchange to discuss active travel. Fairly transformative work has already been done on active travel and we are only two years in government. The budget for active travel will transform the country in terms of cycling routes, walking routes and access to cities as a result.

There has been a significant improvement in solar. Offshore wind is key for this country. Again, the European Union will be bringing in a regulation - this will cause challenges - with a view to creating an overriding public interest in terms of getting wind farms established, which local governments can then take into account when trying to fast-track offshore wind projects, which we need to do.

There comes a point when language has to mean something. I appreciate the Taoiseach's positive comments. Galway city is a golden opportunity for the Government to make its commitment to climate change a reality. The park-and-ride element of the 2005 development plan has not been acted on. Something is wrong. The NTA has no sense of urgency. There are no park-and-ride facilities. There is no comprehensive programme to lift traffic for schools. There is no feasibility study even though 22,500 people asked for one in 2018. If the Taoiseach is today committing to a basic feasibility study, I welcome it. According to IBEC, that lovely organisation that the Taoiseach so respects, the Government needs to address quality of life and sustainability issues in the west, including Galway city, if Galway is to progress. Mr. Conor Faughnan, then with the AA, stated that traffic in Galway was embarrassingly bad for the city's modest size. He has come out in favour of light rail.

I appeal to the Taoiseach to make words mean something. When the cross-party committee on climate change sat, there was a strong suggestion that Galway would be picked as a pilot project for sustainable development and traffic. Here is the golden opportunity. Déan beart de réir do bhriathar.

Every city and town in the country has to be a model of sustainability, especially Galway. I know there has been a fairly divisive row in Galway in respect of the ring road that has gone on for a long, long time. By the way, light rail and a proper road system are not mutually exclusive either. I do not know why park and ride has not happened in Galway. That is fundamentally a matter for the local authority.

Other cities have had them for a long, long time.

Yes, but there has to be a liaison with local authorities, sites have to be identified and routes have to be organised.

I do not understand why it has not happened in Galway. We will follow that up-----

Good. I thank the Taoiseach.

-----with the local authority and the NTA. There should be a park-and-ride facility in a city like Galway. Other cities have park-and-ride facilities. They are not the full answer, but they are important. Above all, other cities have moved faster in terms of pedestrianisation and changing the nature of cities. We need to do that far faster.

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