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Dáil Éireann debate -
Thursday, 27 Feb 2025

Vol. 1063 No. 6

Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation

We know that the Tánaiste's party has carried out an internal investigation into the inappropriate behaviour of a sitting Fine Gael Senator towards a female member of staff working in the Oireachtas. We know that a very substantial sum of money was donated to a charity on foot of the outcome of that investigation. We know also that the Senator in question was selected by the Fine Gael Party and endorsed by the Tánaiste, as its leader, on two occasions after this investigation. What we do not know is what the Tánaiste and senior people in his party knew about this affair.

I ask the Tánaiste to answer the serious questions that exist in respect of this matter. Every person who works in the Oireachtas has the right to a safe place to work. A substantial amount of money was paid by the Tánaiste's party or persons in his party to charity regarding an incident concerning a female member of staff. He has been given plenty of chances to answer questions relating to this matter. I ask him to please indicate that he will do so.

I am conscious of the comments of the Ceann Comhairle in relation of this matter and am respectful of them. This issue was raised in the House by the Deputy's colleague Deputy Farrell two weeks ago. I commented on the matter then and I have also commented on it in the media. In doing so, at all times I have been very conscious of the privacy of the individual involved and their wish for no further public comment regarding this matter. I am also very conscious of the ongoing disciplinary process that is under way in my party and the need not to cut across due process.

That is not acceptable.

I have also said that this was an incident that happened many years before my leadership.

I do not have any names for this business. If those who are speaking on behalf of each group would raise their hands, it would be helpful.

I welcome the news that the Taoiseach will be meeting Ukraine's President Zelenskyy today. It is very important that we reaffirm our solidarity with Ukraine, particularly at a time when US President Trump is intent on tearing up the international rules-based order with his appalling positions on Ukraine and Gaza. Recently, President Trump announced that he is intent on imposing a 25% tariff on goods imported from the EU. In the spirit of mutual co-operation and engagement, I ask that the Tánaiste, as Minister for Foreign Affairs, brief Opposition leaders on the risk assessment for Ireland and for jobs here of this proposal to impose these outrageous tariffs.

I was very disappointed to hear of the Tánaiste's flat refusal or denial of any intent to meet Opposition leaders on the issues around Standing Order reform. All five of the Opposition leaders reached out to him and the Taoiseach yesterday to seek a meeting in order that we can bring calm heads to bear on resolving the issue in a measured way.

I am disappointed to hear the Tánaiste say he will not meet us and I hope he will rethink this.

I accept the Deputy has been constructive in her framing but I have seen very little evidence of calm in this place today or in recent days on this matter. I am always happy to engage but I am also respectful of process. The Dáil reform committee, which has representatives of all our parties, has now concluded its process by way of a democratic vote. I do not intend to undermine that or undermine my party colleagues or others who have worked extraordinarily hard - as have the Deputy's colleagues - regarding these matters. It is at a point where we may not agree but I believe the process has concluded.

On the broader point on trade and tariffs, that is a good idea and I would be very happy to do that. Yesterday, I had the first meeting of the newly established trade forum. Let me try to establish this for either next week or the week after. I would be happy to engage constructively with the Opposition on that.

Thousands of children with disabilities up and down this country are waiting for vital services, therapies and school places. We have been raising their cases in the Dáil. I raised the case of Noah who is autistic and non-verbal, and of Jack who is six. Is it acceptable to the Tánaiste that children are left without services and school places? We know early intervention is key. Will the Tánaiste meet the parents protesting tomorrow outside the Department of Education for school places? Does he agree it is an utter failure of this State that children are left without vital services and school places? Does he accept it is a breach of their constitutional right to education? Will the Tánaiste give a commitment to this House today that all children with autism and special needs will be guaranteed a school place this September?

I thank Deputy Hearne for raising what is a very important matter. I spoke to the Minister for Education on this issue this morning. I met this week the Ministers for Education and Health and the Minister of State with responsibility for disability specifically on the issue of children's disability services. There was an announcement today by the Minister for Education and the Minister of State with responsibility for special education regarding additional special class capacity for the coming year. The Minister, Deputy McEntee, wants to move beyond this year-to-year scramble for a place which is not fair on parents, children or schools. She has instructed the NCSE to not just look for this year but this year to also look for September 12 months. The Minister intends to meet parents either today or tomorrow.

Crucially, on the issue of therapies, we need to urgently advance the programme for Government commitment in respect of putting therapies back in special schools. This is a really important reform and I am happy to engage further on that.

Can you guarantee every child will have a place?

Every child has a constitutional right to a place.

The problem is the Government has breached and failed to vindicate their rights. As a result, more than 50 parents will be gathering to sleep out for 24 hours tomorrow. These are parents who are looking after children with special needs and who feel they have to go to the lengths of doing a 24-hour round-the-clock sleep-out protest outside the Department of Education because the Government cannot give them the school places to which they are legally entitled to by right.

Is the Tánaiste going to save them the trouble of that protest and give them the firm commitment they will get the special needs resources, supports and school places to which their children have a right? Or is he going to just ramble on about abstract rights and we will find ourselves, as we did last year, back around with parents racked with anxiety and uncertainty about the well-being of their vulnerable children?

On such a serious issue, the Deputy does not need to say people are rambling on. We are trying to sort this issue for parents and children, and to absolutely vindicate their rights. While every child in this State has a right to a school place, every child also needs to have a right to an appropriate school place. The Opposition can laugh all it wants; everything is not always funny.

So do I, Deputy Coppinger, very well.

It is up to your Government. It is all about money.

I know, from a familial perspective, what it is like when you do not get that place. I know that, so do not lecture me on this stuff. We know.

Do not use your brother now.

Please, Deputy.

We are going to address the issue. As recently as today, the Minister, Deputy McEntee, and the Minister of State, Deputy Moynihan, made an announcement regarding additional capacity in special education. The Minister for Education intends to engage directly with parents. Any parent would do anything for his or her child and I do not want to see any parent having to sleep out. Rather, I wish to see meaningful engagement where we can make progress on this issue.

Will the Tánaiste be down there tomorrow at 1 p.m.?

We will engage with them.

I wish to raise the issue of special classes in east Cork area with the Tánaiste and the Government. We need to see further provision for huge backlogs, particularly in the Youghal area. Is this something the Government can commit to looking into, considering the deficit of these services in east Cork, which unfortunately is one of the worst performing regions in the country? I met parents in Pobalscoil na Tríonóide recently with Deputy Quaide of the Social Democrats, and their anxiety and frustrations in this regard are enormous. Can the Tánaiste look into this matter to see if we could get extra provision in this relevant area?

I thank Deputy O'Connor and I will absolutely bring this issue directly, as I know he has, to both the Minister for Education and the Minister of State with responsibility for special education. I will ask them to come back to the Deputy through the NCSE regarding Youghal and how we can increase capacity in east Cork.

In both the Deputy's constituency and many other constituencies, people are working cross-party to try to make progress on this important issue. We will engage constructively with everyone on this and there is significant additional funding and capacity coming on stream. Timeliness is important, however, and I will ask the Minister for Education to come directly back to him on that.

The programme for Government states under the transport heading that it will enhance the road connectivity to the north west, increase funding for roads and provide multi-annual funding. The N4 recently announced an emerging preferred route from Mullingar to Roosky through County Longford. It is the only region that is not serviced with motorway or dual carriageway access. An emerging preferred route was announced previously in 2008 before it was taken off the national development plan. It is back on the plan and a funding of €8 million is needed for stage 3 of that project in 2025. Can I get a guarantee that the €8 million will be available for Longford and Westmeath county councils to progress stage 3 of the N4 and ensure we deliver that project over the next ten years?

I thank Deputy Carrigy for that. This is a very important project. It is a strategic corridor from Dublin to the north-west region and the Border counties. The project is about 54 km in length, connecting Mullingar and Westmeath to Roosky in Longford.

The Minister of State at the Department of Transport, Deputy Canney, reminds me that his Department is well aware of this project. The emerging preferred route has now been selected and has closed out of phase 2. The route option selection, however, is ongoing. We will look at this seriously in the context of the review of the national development plan, which is due to conclude around July. Let me be very clear for the Deputy's constituents and people right across the country; this Government is back in the business of building roads.

We are now almost five weeks on from Storm Éowyn and many communities in County Mayo are still without communications. Ballinamore nursing home, for example, is still without a landline. There are many elderly people without a landline and it is causing difficulties around accessing emergency services and accessing pendant alarms, which run off the landline. Many people in Mayo are still without this service and it is causing major difficulties.

Days after the storm, the Tánaiste rather dismissively said communications were almost returned. That is far from the case in Mayo. What has been done in this regard? Can the Tánaiste please intervene to expedite the situation to return communications back to Mayo?

Like the Deputy, we all have been working tirelessly on this issue and no one on the Government side is in any way dismissive about this. I thank Deputy Lawless for raising this important issue. I have spoken to the Minister for communications, Deputy O'Donovan, and I have asked him to come back to the Deputy directly today regarding more information and timelines, including for Ballinamore nursing home and other areas the Deputy referenced in his constituency.

Yesterday, I attended a briefing by Cared Ireland. It highlighted the long-running crisis in care, supports and services for people with eating disorders. We heard directly from a mother whose young teenage daughter is about to age out of the very small supports she has been getting as a child. These are supports that have, in her mother's words, kept her alive. We also heard from a mother whose daughter died almost two years ago because of her eating disorder and from a young woman living with an eating disorder who detailed her own experience in a system that has had absolutely nothing work right to support her. This is a system that put her into an adult psychiatric ward at the age of 16 and gave her a psychiatrist without any expertise in eating disorders. She also told us of remarks made to her to go to Africa and see the starving children and to just eat.

We really need to see training for all healthcare professionals on this. Cared Ireland came with some very specific asks and a clear message. It wants to see more inpatient beds. There are three beds in the State and there have been three for a very long time. There was a plan to open 20 new beds between 2018 and 2023 but they were never funded. Will the Government please fund these beds?

I am due to meet shortly, along with the Minister for Health, with some people specifically on this issue. It is an area in which we need to do a lot better. I undertake to look specifically at the recommendations and suggestions put forward yesterday by Cared Ireland. Either the Minister for Health or I will come back directly to the Deputy on this.

The increased grants under the housing adaptation for older persons scheme that came into effect from 1 December have considerably improved that scheme. However, another change in the scheme, which went under the radar until recently, is very unhelpful. That change is the abolition, for whatever reason, of the new boiler grant for older people. This decision makes absolutely no sense and is, in fact, counterproductive. New, modern boilers are much greener and much more efficient from an emissions point of view. The alternative for older people of an air-to-water system is cost-prohibitive. According to the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland installation, after grants, costs €9,000. The only practical alternative for older people is to continue with older, dirtier boilers or revert to solid fuel.

Thank you, Deputy. Your time is up.

Proper heating also ensures savings to the State in respect of nursing home and hospital costs.

You are way over time, Deputy. The Minister of State to respond.

I ask the Minister to reverse this very impractical decision.

As the Deputy said, there is a new and enhanced adaptation grant scheme, which brings in a lot of new innovations, including deductions from nursing homes fees and carers' fees.

What about the boiler grant?

The particular point he raised is something we are looking at. We will come back to him on it. This is an issue that is arising. We are looking at that aspect of the scheme.

I raise the issue of vacant local authority homes, of which there are always thousands across the State. There are 200 of them in Limerick at the moment, and 200 is always the number of vacant houses there. These are local authority homes that, for whatever reason, are not in use. The process of local authorities applying for funding from central government needs to be changed and simplified, so these properties can be turned back into homes more quickly than they have been in the past. It is frustrating for people living next door to a voided home, which can be magnets for antisocial behaviour, litter and dumping. It is not fair when a house is not heated for five, six or seven years and is closed up, meaning the houses on either side have to make up the cost of excess heating. I dealt with a person in emergency accommodation in a hotel in my local area who could see boarded-up, voided homes in the nearby estate from which she came. It is absolute nonsense what is happening.

Thank you, Deputy.

We need a commitment from the Government that the system will be changed whereby funding is given to local authorities to speed up the restoration of voids.

I thank the Deputy for raising this issue. We continue to have a big focus on the whole issue of vacancy and how to bring vacant properties and stock back into use in general. He made the point that even within the local authority stock, more could be done in terms of funding and timelines for the conversion of that stock back into use. I will raise that directly with the Minister, Deputy Browne, and ask him to get back to the Deputy.

I wish to raise issue that is very important to people in my constituency, particularly in the Palmerstown area, namely access to cash. The previous Government introduced the Finance (Provision of Access to Cash Infrastructure) Bill and began preparing to put it on the Statute Book. It is to be restored to the programme of this Dáil. Will the Tánaiste expedite the entry into law of that Bill? There are older people in my constituency who do not have readily available access to an ATM and who may not be entirely comfortable with digital banking and so on. It is also important for community groups and SMEs that they have a sustainable, reliable and dedicated cash infrastructure available to them at all times. There is a technical detail to keep in mind with this legislation, which is that it is not necessarily just the as-the-crow-flies distance that matters in terms of cash infrastructure but the distance travelled as well, especially for people who have mobility issues. That needs to be taken into account. Access to cash is especially important to older people.

I thank the Deputy for raising this issue for his constituents in Palmerstown and across Dublin Mid-West. He is right that this is an issue more broadly. People may feel anxiety in terms of everything moving to a digital or online world and will ask, "What about my needs and the needs of my community?". I assure those people the Government is conscious of this and that we intend to restore the access to cash Bill to the Order Paper. Indeed, we have done that. Once the committees are up and running, the Bill will resume on Committee Stage and we will be able to tease out the issues the Deputy raised in detail.

I refer to the regular water outages we are having in north Kildare. Following the bursting of a pipe, there has been chronic low water pressure in Leixlip, Celbridge, Maynooth and even in Naas. This is a daily struggle for people living all around Kildare North. The population has exploded but the water infrastructure is buckling. We see it every day. There were even outages on Christmas Day. These issues were not common in my childhood and even up to ten years ago. In the past five years especially, we have had difficulties. The pipe serving half of Celbridge, from Hazelhatch to Newcastle, was put down in 1945, making it 80 years old. It stretches for 6 km and bursts consistently. Indeed, Uisce Éireann has had to reduce the water pressure so much that residents in housing estates like Primrose Gate and Hazelhatch Park cannot even use their water in the way they need to. The pipes between Leixlip and Maynooth are also consistently bursting, leaving areas such as Confey, especially, open to risk. These are basic services. Will the Government push Uisce Éireann to invest quickly and more effectively in Kildare North?

I thank the Deputy for raising this issue as it relates to his constituency of Kildare North. I am very much aware that there are operational challenges in Celbridge, including at Hazelhatch, and that the water network is under pressure. The good news is Uisce Éireann has water main rehabilitation works approved for design and construction in 2025, involving 5.3 km of new water mains. Site investigation works are planned in the coming weeks and construction is due to commence in quarter 2 of this year. I am assured that these works will help with the water network challenges.

Recent reports indicate the Government is now considering a commercial liquefied natural gas, LNG, facility and that this is being seen as a bargaining chip with the Trump Administration. President Trump is a very transactional person and this is seen as something we can give him in our negotiations. That would be contrary to previous Government commitments and policies in favour of a State-led emergency non-commercial facility. Obviously, any decision that is made on energy security needs to be based on evidence. A report was commissioned last year by the previous Minister, charging Cambridge Economic Policy Associates, CEPA, to produce an analysis of our energy security needs and where LNG would fit into them. I have two questions. Is the Government considering commercial LNG at the moment, which would be a clear move away from previous policy? Will it publish the report from CEPA, of which we have not yet seen anything?

As the Deputy knows, at the moment, around 80% of our gas supply comes from two pipelines with the UK. If anything were to happen with one of those pipelines, we would all know about it in terms of very serious consequences. We need to have an insurance policy in place. That is the responsible thing to do. The Minister, Deputy O'Brien, is examining this area and will bring proposals to the Government shortly. It is in this context of energy security that LNG is being considered, but it is from the point of view of a State-led strategic emergency gas reserve to provide the resilience required. I will ask the Minister to get back directly to the Deputy on the specific report she mentioned.

I return to the issue of reduced capacity on Irish Rail's northern commuter line. My colleague Councillor Corina Johnston and I have been inundated with reports from people who have been left on the platform at peak time. My colleague received a response from Irish Rail today apologising for what has happened but stating it will happen again tomorrow and on Monday, Wednesday and Friday of next week. Given that the population of Donabate is due to grow by 25% in the next two years, it does not have a direct, regular bus service into Dublin and it does not have a high-capacity DART service to alleviate demand, can a special case be made for increased transport infrastructure in terms of bus and rail to account for the homes being delivered there? The infrastructure must be delivered along with those homes.

I thank the Deputy and Councillor Johnston for raising this important issue of reduced capacity on the northern commuter rail and the impact it is having on their constituents. The Minister of State at the Department of Transport, Deputy Canney, has heard what he said. We will raise this issue within the Department, with Irish Rail and with bus providers to see whether that case can be made. Deputy Smith is right on this. I am conscious that he is living in an area of massive growth in terms of population, which needs to be matched by provision of public infrastructure. We will get back to him directly on this.

I add my voice to that of Deputy Smith in respect of the case he made. Commuters from Dundalk are constantly talking about the issues that exist in regard to Irish Rail. It is a case of insufficient capacity and it needs to be dealt with.

There is no shortage of issues relating to disability in the public domain this week.

That is obviously what the Children's Rights Alliance said in relation to the issues that children are facing being unacceptable and unconstitutional. We have heard about the protest planned regarding the lack of school places for children with additional needs. We have seen the HIQA report on Sunbeam House, obviously, not providing the service required. On disability services, in the section 39 organisations, there is the issue in of the non-follow through on payment and the fear of what the pay and number strategy will mean in loss of jobs in disability services.

Thank you, Deputy.

I will talk about autism services.

The time is up.

CDNT is insufficient. There are 530 positions vacant at the minute-----

The Deputy is in someone else's time.

-----but the only solution here is the school inclusion model.

Thank you, Deputy Ó Murchú. I call the Tánaiste to respond.

We need to see that and a one-stop shop.

I agree with the Deputy on the school inclusion model. We have got to be honest when the model is not fit for purpose. I really believe this and I say this when I talk to parents. There are often issues that if there is more money allocated, it can make great progress. Of course, we will allocate more money to children's disability services but reforming the system will be as important. That is why the programme for Government commits to putting in-school therapy services back, starting with the special schools, including speech and language therapy, OT and physiotherapy. I met the Minister for disability on that this week and I am happy to provide the Deputy with a written update.

I want to raise issues regarding the Mercosur deal in its proposed format. There are huge concerns among farmers. I have met all of the farming organisations about this issue. They have raised concerns directly with me. More than 170,000 people are employed in our agrifood sector. Farming livelihoods that must be protected at all costs. Farmers need straight answers on the Government's position on this proposed deal, which is reckless, and that is not to mention the health concerns in terms of hormones in the beef coming into the EU markets. I am calling on Government to give clarity to farmers who are asking the question about Government's position and also calling on Government to notify the EU Commission of our outright objection to this deal in its current format because livelihoods are at stake and our economy will suffer should this deal be ratified.

I thank the Deputy for raising this important issue. To reassure her, the Government cannot be any clearer on our position in relation to the Mercosur proposals. We clearly outlined it in our programme for Government. In two-and-a-half hours of debate here in the Dáil last Thursday, I discussed it at length and put clearly on the record of this House our concerns and our opposition to that in that forum and how we are working with other like-minded countries who share those concerns as well. I have raised it in Brussels out at AGFIS Council meetings, as has the Tánaiste in his role of trade. We continue to work with like-minded countries that share those concerns.

Yesterday's meeting of the Dáil reform committee was a staged set event by Government politicians present. My understanding was we would all put forward proposals, which we did as well as the Government did, then discuss them, iron out what issues we had and draw up an agreement, but instead of Dáil reform being Dáil reform, last night it became Dáil dictate with the Chief Whip calling a vote. It was a first for Dáil reform. It was seconded by another member of Fianna Fáil but, in a show of unity to this appalling moment in Irish democracy, Deputy Emer Currie of Fine Gael made sure she got the Fine Gael hand print on this piece of work by stating she was the seconder to this now-dubbed "Michael Lowry" document, giving extra speaking slots to them as if they are in opposition plus other loss of Question Time to the Taoiseach. Deputy Hildegarde Naughton read the following words into the Dáil record on 23 January, "The Government will today bring forward a motion to establish the Committee on Standing Orders and Dáil Reform, to fully engage with the committee and to work to secure agreement, as soon as possible and acceptable to Government and Opposition". Now the Government is ignoring this by railroading this new Lowry plan. Will the Tánaiste and the Taoiseach meet with the leaders of the Opposition to come up with a solution to this crisis?

No, because we have already done that. A Dáil reform committee has been established. As the Deputy rightly said, we had a Dáil committee that fully engaged. As the Deputy rightly said, it was not possible to reach agreement. I accept the Deputy engaged. Everyone engaged in good faith. I am not having a go here but at some point, we have to say we have talked this as much as we can. It is about eight minutes on a Wednesday, eight minutes on a Thursday and six minutes in a now-priority question to let 60 Members of Dáil Éireann have their say.

The accident and emergency unit at University Hospital Galway has been the subject of much political commentary for many years. Many taoisigh and health Ministers have recognised the facility is not meeting the needs of the large population it is designed to serve and it is of a substandard nature. The Tánaiste will be aware of his own time as Minister for Health. The facility is now in a temporary facility. There have been many false dawns for the progression of a new accident and emergency unit in Galway, most notably in 2019, when, at the point of a planning application, a change in direction for the site was recommended. In autumn 2023, a Galway university hospital capital programme oversight board was established to develop a masterplan for major capital projects on the Galway university hospital site. We found out earlier this week that the capital oversight board will conclude its work next month and it will present a development plan for the use of the university hospital site from now until 2045. Such times can cause concern. As the Tánaiste will be aware, there are immediate needs. My ask is that the Government would capitalise on the work of the oversight board by providing the necessary resources and actioning the outcome of its work in a time-efficient and determined manner. I specifically ask that progressing the development of a new accident and emergency unit and increased bed capacity would not become entangled in bureaucracy and procedures or frustrate the people and continue to see people receive healthcare in inadequate facilities.

I thank the Deputy. He is entirely correct. I know it from my time as health Minister. We all know it and the Deputy knows it well. It is an issue of great stress and concern to people in Galway and the west and, indeed, to people having to work in the hospital, and do amazing work but in substandard infrastructural conditions.

The Government will respond in kind to the good work that has been done by that board set up in the hospital. We have already been clear on a number of projects and we will have an opportunity in the national development plan to be published in July to show further progress too.

Cuireadh an Dáil ar fionraí ar 1.06 p.m. agus cuireadh tús leis arís ar 1.46 p.m.
Sitting suspended at 1.06 p.m. and resumed at 1.46 p.m.
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