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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 12 Nov 2025

Vol. 1075 No. 3

Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate

Health Services

We all know that, no matter where you live geographically, there are pros and cons that affect your quality of life. We can have priorities like living close to family or remaining where we were born and reared. Perhaps you visited a place and fell in love with the scenery and people. In any case, you will need to access to the basic human requirements of air, food and shelter where you live. However, without access to the health service, many who have chronic ailments that require regular treatment with modern equipment under the supervision of a health professional simply will not survive. I propose that, as a matter of priority, the two stunning peninsulas of Corca Dhuibhne and Uíbh Ráthach, Dingle and Iveragh, in County Kerry be used for a pilot study or research vehicle into all aspects of the health service being delivered to their residents. I call for this pilot study to be initiated in Kerry, which has issues, so that it can be used as an educational tool that could be rolled out to similarly remote areas all over Ireland. I foresee this project identifying the reasons it is so difficult to attract staff to these areas given that it is cheaper to live there.

We should clarify why all areas throughout these regions are struggling to receive adequate health services, including mental health services, day care, primary care, respite services and palliative care and have difficulty in keeping hospital beds open in the community hospitals in both Cahersiveen and Dingle. Dingle hospital, or West Kerry Community Hospital as it is known to many, opened in 2010 and, to this day, it has never been fully operational. There are ongoing campaigns to get these beds open. Meanwhile, patients from the region are being placed in places such as Kenmare Community Hospital, which is a five-hour round trip. This is absolutely ridiculous. The town of Cahersiveen does not even have a primary care centre. This is a huge issue for the entire peninsula. Many residents in Iveragh are up to 100 km from the accident and emergency department at University Hospital Kerry. Why is it so difficult to get staff to these community hospitals for our mental health services, ambulance services and so on?

Residents of these peninsulas have to travel long distances to receive the standard of service they deserve. That is discriminatory to many of them. They regularly have to utilise the health facilities in University Hospital Kerry in Tralee or those in Cork city. For some, this could entail a round trip of up to 340 km. They also regularly have to utilise the health facilities in Limerick hospital and in hospitals further afield. This can take its toll on patients physically, mentally and financially. In an era when we are striving to reduce greenhouse gases, it also has a large impact on the environment.

Health hubs and centres of excellence play a big part in the delivery of health services in Ireland. I accept that this may be best practice but I am a firm believer in researching other delivery options. The health services in remote areas pilot scheme I am proposing would investigate a hybrid model that could be amalgamated with the present system to improve the lifestyle and health of all our residents. As the Minister of State will know, some areas of our country, particularly along the western seaboard, are really remote and accessed mainly by narrow winding roads. That is part and parcel of their charm and beauty, but many old, young and debilitated patients need to be constantly ferried to and from hospital appointments, which sometimes takes its toll on the entire family. This pilot scheme in the Iveragh and Dingle Peninsulas might provide a window into solutions, big or small, that could help ease stress in many families throughout rural Ireland.

I thank the Deputy for raising this issue. I am taking this question on behalf of my colleague, the Minister, Deputy Jennifer Carroll MacNeill. The Minister and the Government continue to make progress in improving access to meet the health needs of rural and remote communities. Sláintecare is the roadmap for reform of our healthcare system. A key milestone is the organisation of the HSE into six health regions. This took place last year and a phased transition to the new structures continues. Each region is now empowered to plan and deliver services tailored to the needs of its population. At the same time, we must maintain a national health service with consistent standards across all regions and communities.

I will outline how the health regions are structured to deliver on these commitments. Regions will adopt a population-based planning approach based on the specific needs of their areas. A population-based approach to service delivery emphasises prevention and early intervention. This complements existing programmes such as Healthy Ireland and Sláintecare Healthy Communities. The HSE’s population-based planning framework provides principles and key steps for the teams doing this work. For example, regions now have detailed publicly available population health profiles. These draw on census data and cover both the region as a whole and smaller community health areas of approximately 50,000 people. In addition to planning, we must ensure our workforce is equipped to meet these evolving needs. For example, the University of Galway has recently developed medical and pharmacy education with a specific focus on rural healthcare.

This focus on the broader determinants of health promotes integrated care across all levels of service. Integrated care means patients experience smoother transitions between services with better co-ordination and improved outcomes. To achieve this, the HSE is rolling out the next phase of its integrated service delivery, ISD, model. This is a central part of the health regions reform. Staff are now being reconfigured from care group teams to integrated teams which serve defined geographic areas. There are 20 integrated healthcare areas, IHAs, across the country, including one for the county of Kerry.

Each IHA has a dedicated senior manager at national director level. The IHA manager is responsible for all health services delivered in their area. This reconfiguration promotes joined-up care and accountability across primary, community and acute services.

The Deputy raises the possibility of a study on the health service needs in the Iveragh and Dingle peninsulas. However, this is exactly the kind of insight that the new local teams are designed to address, with support from experts in the HSE centre.

In the south west, the HSE is implementing innovative solutions to improve access in rural areas. Mobile clinics, telehealth services, and digital infrastructure are bringing care closer to people's homes. The telehealth roadmap and the digital for care 2030 framework are expanding remote consultations and health monitoring. These initiatives reduce travel time, improve access, and support continuity of care for rural patients and service users.

While these innovations are promising, the Department of Health recognises that workforce remains a key challenge, particularly in remote and hard-to-reach areas. Under the new HSE structures, the HSE south west is now able to recruit and retain staff across all service areas within their allocated budget.

Every week since I have come up here, I am consistently raising issues pertaining especially to the peninsulas that I have named, Iveragh and Dingle. I am also a member of the joint health committee, and I am consistently raising the issues there as well. It is every week, as there is always some issue. By and large, it is in relation to staffing, be it for home care, daycare, primary care, palliative care, mental health as I mentioned already, or respite. Beds remain unopened in both the West Kerry Community Hospital and Cahersiveen Community Hospital. As I mentioned earlier, patients are being relocated to community hospitals far away and families have to spend half a day travelling to see their loved ones. It is not good enough. For that matter, these two areas in particular seem to have more problems than any other part of Kerry. I ask the Minister to look closely at the issue and to carry out a pilot study. It is the very least that the people of Kerry deserve. Everyone should have access to the same level of high quality service as people who are living in our capital. I ask the Minister of State to ensure that this matter is taken on board. I would like to see both Corca Dhuibhne and Uíbh Ráthach being used for pilot studies for the benefit of the entire country.

I will raise the issue as well with the Minister for Health. The Department of Health encourages regional teams to explore service models that reflect the realities in their communities. It is important that the regions learn from one another and that they share best practices. Such work can then inform broader strategies for improving care in remote areas right across the country.

Looking ahead, this regional innovation can inform national strategy and strengthen service delivery everywhere across the country. Patients need health and social care services that are responsive, integrated and locally informed. The health regions are now empowered to lead on the planning and delivery of community-based care. My colleague, the Minister for Health, thanks the Deputy. She looks forward to working with him and collaborating with him to improve healthcare in the Kerry area.

Dental Services

I am again raising the lack of training places for dental students. I have given these figures before. UCC takes in 25 per annum and Trinity also takes in 25 but those two colleges are then taking in non-EU students. In Cork it is 36 and in Trinity it is 21. I know the RCSI has recently opened a dental college and it is taking in 20, but that does not deal with the issue.

The Irish Dental Association identified more than two years ago that there was a shortage of over 500 dentists in the system. As the Minister of State is aware, the population has increased dramatically by over 40%. We are not able to provide the support and care that people require, in particular in the public health sector. The number of dentists in 2006 was 330. By 2022, it was down to 254. At a time when there is a huge increase in population, there has been a 25% decrease in the number of dentists working in the public sector.

The other problem in the public sector is that two thirds of positions advertised have not been filled. What is really concerning now is that we have a scenario whereby UCC applied to the Department of Health for €4.5 million to open a facility in Blackpool so that it could use it for training students, and to increase the number of students it could take in. That application was submitted in 2022. Three years later it has still not been approved. Likewise with TCD, which applied again in 2022 to take in an extra 16 Irish-EU students, but again that application has not been progressed. I understand that the Royal College of Surgeons is going to take in extra people in 2026 and 2027, but that still does not deal with the issue we currently face.

I will read from the Irish Dental Association report issued in September:

In 2023, 104,000 eligible schoolchildren in Ireland missed dental screening appointments due to a shortage of HSE public-only dentists. This represents roughly half of the eligible cohort denied vital dental appointments.

There are now barely 600 dentists actively participating in the medical card scheme nationally.

Three or four years ago more than 1,200 dentists were working privately, who were also doing public work but they have all left.

With less than 600 dentists actively providing public care, "this is equivalent to 1 dentist per 2,500 eligible patients. The huge exodus...from the scheme is forcing patients to travel further to see dentists, to wait longer for appointments..."

HSE figures from February 2022, show that there are 13,294 patients on orthodontics waiting lists, 11,088 of whom are waiting longer than a year, and 5,076 waiting longer than 3 years.

This is what we are now facing, which is the reason I am raising the issue again. I will continue to raise it until we get co-operation between the Department of higher education and the Department of Health as regards how we progress the expansion of dental training.

It is not just dentists, it is also dental nurses and dental hygienists. We have not increased the number of places available in third level colleges and we need to deal with it before the start of the academic year in September 2026.

I thank Deputy Burke for raising this important matter again tonight. This might be the third time he has raised this issue. I can see he is determined to highlight it. The issue is important.

I am taking this on behalf of my colleague, the Minister, Deputy James Lawless. The Government is firmly committed to ensuring that our healthcare system is supported by a steady and sustainable pipeline of highly skilled graduates. My Department, in collaboration with the Department of Health, the Higher Education Authority and the higher education institutions, plays a central role in delivering the education and training infrastructure needed to meet the evolving demands of the healthcare workforce, including in critical areas such as oral healthcare and dentistry. Ensuring adequate capacity to train future dentists is part of our broader commitment to workforce planning that supports the health and well-being of our population.

Until this year, approximately 60 places were available each year to Irish and EU students on dentistry courses. My Department recognises that this represents a limited training pipeline at a time when the demand for oral healthcare, both clinical and preventative, is increasing nationally.

The number of places offered is a matter for the higher education institutions, in line with their autonomy. However, I do acknowledge that due to a high level of practical work there can be material constraints on the number of students who can be accepted onto dentistry courses. While my Department does not set quotas for student places, we work closely with the Department of Health and the HEA to explore how capacity can be sustainably expanded in key health disciplines, including dentistry.

In 2023, the HEA carried out a targeted capacity expansion exercise across priority healthcare areas. One key outcome was the establishment of new a dentistry programme, to which the Deputy referred, a new bachelor of dental surgery at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, RCSI, commencing in 2025. This new programme will follow a community-based model of dental education and will provide at least 20 new dentistry places per annum for Irish and EEA students, significantly enhancing national training capacity. This expansion represents a landmark 33% increase in student intake and clearly demonstrates my Department’s and this Government’s firm commitment to strengthening the oral healthcare workforce and supplying the graduates needed for a modern, accessible health system. As evidence of this, I understand the RCSI programme will expand next year with a further 15 potential places by 2027. I think there is a further eight next year and seven the following year, to bring it to 35 in total thereafter.

I reaffirm my Department’s commitment to working with all relevant stakeholders to ensure that any future expansion of dental education is grounded in evidence, responds to national needs and is delivered in a sustainable manner. I am informed that the Department of Health is examining the feasibility of a new mid-level oral health professional grade. The outcomes of this work, due to be published shortly, may have further implications for the number and type of training places needed in the coming years across oral healthcare.

I thank the Minister of State. It still does not deal with the issue of 500 posts that require to be filled and the fact we have fewer dentists working in the public sector than we had in 2006, from over 330 down to 254. The number of dentists in private practice who are offering public care has dropped from over 1,200 down to under 600. That is a huge drop.

I have given the figure of the number students who were reviewed. Some 104,000 eligible school children did not get access to dental screening and that is not going to improve over the next three to four years.

There is an issue in relation to UCC, which has looked for the €4.5 million since 2022. It is looking to increase the number of places along with TCD, which looking for approval for an extra 16 places. However, what is really disturbing is the fact the dental places exist in both TCD and UCC but we are providing the training for people who are from outside of Ireland and outside the European Union. It does not make sense.

The other issue I want to raise is the need to increase the number of training places for dental nurses and dental hygienists. There is no proposal to increase those, as I understand it, although I am open to correction. It is an extremely important area.

We have over 5,000 people waiting for orthodontic treatment for over three years. This has to be dealt with and it needs to be prioritised. I would ask that both Departments sit down and see how we can fast track the delivery of dental care to young people and to adults who require dental treatment who have to go under the public scheme. It is extremely important that we give priority to this issue.

I thank the Deputy. I hear what he is saying. The document I have here tells me the Department of Health stated the Dental Council has reported a steady increase in the number of registered dentists since 2016 from 2,949 to 3,971 today. As of 2022, there were 2,420 practising dentists in Ireland, marking a 3.9% increase from the previous year. The number of registered dentists per 100,000 population has risen from 61 in 2019 to nearly 72 today. I agree with the Deputy that it is a modest increase and the need is very great but it is going in the right direction. There are currently about 100 dentistry graduates annually.

On the Deputy’s specific question about funding for north Cork, the Department has received a strong proposal requesting €4.7 million to establish a dental outreach centre. UCC currently admits 50 dentistry students annually, 25 EU and 25 non-EU, and this outreach centre would increase this to 60. Furthermore, the proposal allows for additional dental hygienist and dental nursing places in UCC. While the proposal is promising, it currently delivers limited increases in domestic student places. There is a clear opportunity for both Departments to collaborate further to maximize investment and expand domestic training capacity to meet Ireland's dental workforce needs.

Discussions are currently ongoing between the Department of Health and my Department to try to progress this proposal with a view to maximising Irish and EU places to obtain value for money for this proposal. Further engagement with UCC is ongoing to finalise funding and maximise Irish-EU places.

School Accommodation

Ba mhaith liom plé a dhéanamh ar Phobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola ar an Fhál Carrach. Seo scoil atá i mo cheantar féin. Chuaigh mo chuid deartháireacha ag an scoil blianta ó shin agus tá an scoil i ndrochdhóigh; ní dabht ar bith fá dtaobh de sin. Tá iarratas i ndiaidh iarratas curtha isteach ag an bpríomhoide agus obair na gcapall déanta ag an fhoireann ansin ó thaobh an oideachais atá siad ag cur ar fáil do na céadta dalta atá ansin, anuas ar an scoil a choinneáil go maith. É sin ráite, ní féidir níos mó a dhéanamh mar go bhfuil fadhbanna móra sa scoil sin. Tá an t-uisce ag sileadh tríd an díon. Ní i spota amháin atá sé seo ag tarlú ach ar fud na scoile. Tá fadhb ann ó thaobh an tséarachais de agus caithfear na cláir taobh isteach den scoil a thógáil agus rods a chur síos leis an tséarachais a chur trí na píopaí. Tá fadhbanna ó thaobh easpa spáis ann agus fadhbanna eile fosta sa scoil sin. An rud atá de dhíth ná scoil úr. Níl dabht ar bith fá dtaobh de sin agus caithfear scoil úr a thabhairt don cheantar seo láithreach.

I want to raise the urgent need for capital works at Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola in Falcarragh, County Donegal, a school I visited recently and which, without question, is one of the most in need of immediate investment anywhere in the State. The Government has known this for years because the principal has submitted application after application to the Department in relation to all the issues going on in the school. The staff, the principal, the team and the board of management deserve all the praise. I have seen the positive educational environment that has been fostered there by the staff and I have seen the excitement from students but they are doing that in a very difficult state in terms of the school property they are in. I have walked through the corridors of the school and it is unacceptable in this day and age, in 2025, for children to be educated in such a building.

There are multiple unpredicted leaks. I am not talking about small leaks here. I am talking about leaks so bad that you could take a shower under them. There are big bins trying to capture the water all over the school every time it rains. They are in classrooms, in science classrooms, in halls, in toilets. It is just all over the place. We have issues with the damp and mould that are affecting some classrooms to such an extent that some classrooms have to be locked and can no longer be used. If the Minister of State walked into them, she would understand; just the smell and the damp mean that they are not any way suitable any more. We have prefabs that were provided back in 1982. They are in some cases falling apart. The walls are coming off. A huge amount of work is being done by maintenance to try to keep them in proper order. There is a hole in the floor with a big 8 in x 4 in sheet covering it up. There are serious issues going on and the school is trying to do the best they can.

There are serious drainage issues in the school. Between two and three times every week, they have to lift the manholes in the school because they are blocked. Can the Minister of State just imagine kids running around, including kids with special needs and sensory issues, and somebody has to lift up that manhole and use rods to release excrement? It is not acceptable in this day and age, and it has happened over and over again. All the toilets have to be moved outside the school; there is no other way to fix that problem. There are serious fire issues. I can put my hand through the different walls. There are no fire blocks. You would never be allowed to build a school like that today.

There are so many other issues. There is a need for an additional ASD room, a need for a sensory room, and there is so much work that need to be done, including electrical works. What is needed here is a new school, a school that actually meets the needs of the children in the year of 2025. They have the land. It is available to them. This is extremely urgent and I am asking the Minister of State to answer a couple of questions. What is the status of the applications they have made? Will the Department consider providing a new school building? Will the Department prioritise Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola for capital works? Crucially, because this will change everything, I am inviting the Minister, Deputy McEntee, and the Minister of State to Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola. Once they see it with their own eyes, they will be very convinced that there is only one option here and that is that we need capital works for a new school on this site.

I am taking this matter on behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Education and Youth, Deputy Helen McEntee, who is unavailable. I thank the Deputy for raising the matter. It gives me an opportunity to discuss the current position with Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola. The Deputy will be aware that the school is a DEIS post-primary school in Falcarragh, County Donegal, and the school had an enrolment in September 2024 of 417 pupils. The school is located in the Falcarragh school planning area and is the only secondary school in the area.

The Department of Education and Youth is in receipt of three applications under the additional school accommodation scheme and three for the emergency works scheme from Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola. All applications from schools for major capital works are considered against a range of factors. The priority for the Department of Education and Youth continues to be the provision of required additional school places to meet demographic requirements as well as to provide for children with special educational needs. In County Donegal alone, in the period 2020 to 2024, the Department invested €209.6 million on projects in construction, projects in the pipeline and completions. There were 64 projects completed in Donegal in the period 2020 to 2024. There are currently 17 projects in construction.

The Department of Education and Youth is required to manage the allocated capital funding across all schools in the country, and the Department's approach is to maximise the use of existing capacity in schools and, in tandem with this, to manage the progression of the existing pipeline of projects within available budgets and in line with the Government's infrastructure guidelines. This allows the Department to keep a strong focus on the provision of additional capacity to cater for demographics, new housing developments and the roll-out of additional special classes for children with additional needs. This approach reflects the Department's fundamental objective of ensuring the availability of a school place for every child.

The pace of delivery of additional residential development in school planning areas, along with updated enrolment data and demographic data, will be kept under review and will inform the timing of school requirements. The Department of Education and Youth will continue to liaise with local authorities in respect of the projected completion of planned residential developments. The Department of Education and Youth is examining demographic requirements across the country, including in the context of current and planned residential development activity, and any major capital works for Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola will be considered in this context.

The purpose of the Department of Education and Youth's additional school accommodation scheme is to ensure that essential mainstream classroom accommodation and accommodation for pupils with special educational needs is available to cater for pupils enrolled each year where the need cannot be met by the schools, existing accommodation or other schools in the area.

To answer one of the Deputy's specific questions around the current position in relation to the emergency works applications for Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola, there are three emergency works applications at assessment stage - mechanical and electric works, roof works and life safety systems. Those applications from the school in question are being considered by Department of Education and Youth officials and the school authority will be notified of that decision directly. I can confirm that the Department is in receipt of those three applications under the additional school accommodation scheme for capital works for the school. The school submitted an application for additional school accommodation in 2022 seeking a new-build and a purpose-built classroom for students with special educational needs. Two further applications were submitted in 2024 for special educational needs accommodation and prefab replacement. Modular accommodation for a classroom for students with special educational needs was approved in 2022 and has been delivered. I will raise the issue with the Minister for education as well.

The community in Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola have been very patient. The staff and the board of management have been very patient. They have made their case time and again but patience is running out. What the school needs now is clear. It needs decisive action from the Department. The Minister of State talked about the six applications that are in and there could be more going in. The problem here is not only that this school needs emergency works but that there is a case for a new school building, given the overall works that have to be carried out. There is a new roof to be done and there is a whole issue, as I said, whereby the toilets will all have to be moved outside. There are serious issues with the prefabs and there are fire safety issues. This school needs a new build. The roof is leaking in multiple areas. Mould and damp are spreading. Drainage is failing in the bathroom. For students and staff, this is what is happening every day. They are moving buckets around to try to make sure that classrooms are available to teach in. There are dehumidifiers moving around from classroom to classroom.

Despite all of this, the staff continue to do absolutely outstanding work, providing first-class education in conditions that are completely substandard. They should not have to patch up ceilings or shift classrooms just to teach. Their professionalism and commitment are remarkable, but they have been let down by the system. I am asking the Minister of State and the Minister, Deputy Helen McEntee, to come to Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola. That answer is no good for us. It is the same answer I got earlier this year and last year. We have been raising this issue for years now. It is not acceptable. I would not want my child taught in that school. I would not want a child with special needs or sensory issues taught in that school. It is not fair. I walk into schools right across Donegal and it is brilliant to see the new school buildings and the environment that these kids are being taught in. Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola deserves the same. The classrooms are also substandard. The sizes are no longer in keeping with the with the recommendation.

The Department can look at the six applications that are in. It will cost a fortune to do every single one of them and it still will not fix the problems overall. What is needed here is to go down to the school, recognise the severity of it and look at a new build on a greenfield site that is available to the school in that area. I would seriously consider it. If the Department looks at these individual applications in silos, it is missing the wood for the trees.

I will raise the matter with the Minister, Deputy McEntee. As I have stated, my understanding is those applications from Pobalscoil Chloich Cheannfhaola for additional accommodation are being considered. The school will be contacted directly once a decision is made. I assure the Deputy that the Department of Education and Youth will advance this matter as quickly as possible and it is very conscious that where additional accommodation is required, a significant lead-in time is necessary for a variety of reasons.

School Facilities

Urgent and deeply troubling concerns have been brought to me by the staff of Casa Caterina special school in Cabra, a school that provides critical education and care for children with severe emotional and behavioural difficulties. I understand the Minister of State is stepping in tonight for the Minister of State with responsibility for special education. I feel that this issue is also directly related to the Minister of State's own brief. Casa Caterina is not just a school.

It is a lifeline that serves 36 of the most vulnerable children in this State. These are children who have been removed from mainstream settings and placed in the care of a staff who are doing everything humanely possible to provide stability, dignity and to provide education to this cohort of young students. However, they are doing so without the vital supports they need to do the job effectively and what the children in that school deserve. To put it plainly, we have a special school with absolutely no specialised interventions. There are no behavioural therapists, no psychologists, no play or music therapy, no social care workers and no multidisciplinary team. What they have in the school is just a handful of very brilliant teachers and SNAs who are, at this point and every single day, stretched beyond reason while doing their best to hold it together in an environment that is immensely challenging.

Casa Caterina is one of only a handful of schools in Ireland for children with severe emotional and behavioural difficulties, often alongside a diagnosis of autism and ADHD. The school is stretched to its limits. These are children who have really complex needs, incredible potential and an urgent right for proper supports. Even more appalling is that many of these children come from DEIS schools and, when they move to Casa Caterina, they lose their DEIS supports. They lose the home school community liaison officer, access to school completion programmes and the essential wraparound services that are proven to keep children engaged and safe. If the Minister of State can imagine for a second, so complex are the needs of the children who are in Casa Caterina that they are not suitable for a DEIS programme school. Their vulnerabilities are so complex and their needs so great that they are not suitable for the DEIS environment but they are placed in a school that loses all associated supports.

The staff at Casa Caterina, under the leadership of acting principal, Lorna Cahill, and acting deputy principal Edel Troy, have done everything in their power. They are crying out for better supports, not for themselves but for the children they very clearly love and fight for every day. They are pleading for a fit-for purpose building, a multidisciplinary team consisting of mental health supports, and recognition that this school is not like every school and cannot be funded like one. No teacher, no SNA and no human could sustain this without urgent change. The Education Act 1998, guarantees every child the right to an appropriate education, and that right is very clearly being denied by neglect, by inaction and by refusing to treat schools such as Casa Caterina as the specialised settings they are. The children and staff of Casa Caterina will be visiting the Dáil in two weeks' time. They will walk through the gates of Leinster House and see the very place that has the power to change their futures. Will the Minister of State meet with Casa Caterina leaders and listen to what they need? Will she provide the specialist staff and therapeutic supports that should have been in place from day one? Will she recognise the school for what it is, namely, a blueprint for how the State should be treating its most vulnerable children but one that is operating without dignity, without the associated expertise that is required, and without the care and interventions of the State they sorely lack?

I thank Deputy Gannon. I am taking this Topical Issue on behalf of the Minister of State, Deputy Moynihan.

The Department of Education and Youth and the National Council for Special Education, NCSE, are aware of the recent issues raised by the school to which the Deputy refers. Both Department and NCSE officials are engaging with the school directly to address the concerns raised. A meeting was held on 7 November between the Department, the NCSE, the school management team and a representative from the school’s board of management. The school will continue to be prioritised for support by the NCSE, by the National Educational Psychological Service, NEPS, and by the Department’s inspectorate.

The meeting last week also identified a number of areas which can be progressed in the short term. Department officials will ensure that the school’s management is informed of developments on an ongoing basis. It is important that schools raise concerns with the Department and the NCSE when they arise so that supports and-or advice and guidance can be provided when they are required. I know special schools face a number of additional challenges and the Department and the NCSE are available to provide support when required. Special schools now have both administrative principal and administrative deputy principal posts since September 2024. These additional posts are proving instrumental in assisting principals with leadership and management functions, with both the necessary support for learning and parental and community engagement. The NCSE has recruited additional SENOs, team managers and advisors to support all schools, with special schools prioritised across the board for support. On the advisory side, the NCSE is developing a greater level of curriculum, behaviour and other training supports for schools. New leads for these important areas of work have been appointed and are available to work with schools to design and deliver new bespoke training and supports.

Aligned to the issues which the school has raised, two other priorities in relation to special education refer to therapy supports and day-to-day funding to cover the increasing costs of running our special schools. Securing funding on both issues was a key focus in the recent budget discussions. The programme for Government 2025 commits to the introduction of an education therapy support service. This service will begin in special schools and gradually extend to special classes and mainstream settings, ensuring all children can access occupational therapy and speech and language therapy in a timely and effective way. The allocation of €16 million in budget 2026 will support the continued roll-out of this service, along with the necessary resources and supports. These therapeutic services will build the capacity of school communities to better support all children and provide one-to-one therapy interventions for those who need them most. This is a transformative initiative and one that will make a real difference in the lives of children and families. Budget 2026 has also delivered increased investment in teacher professional learning in special education, additional funding for assistive technologies and enhanced capitation, which will benefit, in particular, children in special schools. In real terms, the capitation increases which have been secured - the increase in the base rates, the enhanced rate for students aged 12 and over in special schools, and the application of a payment threshold for a minimum of 60 students in all schools - will make a substantial difference. We must also look to raise the bar and be more ambitious for our children and young people with special educational needs. Initiatives, including new post-primary curriculum pathways, transition supports and new further education and training programmes in development, will help with this.

I am really happy to hear that a meeting has taken place between the Department and the school, Casa Caterina. It is incredible. I walked into that school about a month ago and, to my own shame and detriment, I did not actually know the school existed. Then I walked up to the shut gates. They open up and you are initially met by the kids who are playing in the playground. Who you meet are 36 children for whom mainstream education was very clearly not built. You see they had to remove themselves from the supports of DEIS and then are placed in an environment where there is so much care among the staff and so much general goodwill. You just see, in that instance, the absence of State intervention, which I thought was a real shame. These 36 young people who were failed by our education system will also become 36 adults. Without the proper interventions that are simply being asked for by this school, the issues become far more complex and the challenges become more profound. I really think it is these locations that we must flood with supports. The idea that these 36 children were having supports removed from them because of the complex nature of their emotional and regulatory functions was so eye-opening for me. I really appreciate the fact that the Department has now met with the school. I hope schools such as Casa Caterina are prioritised rather than almost devalued or demoted based on the complexity of the issues they face every day. I bring this to the Chamber because I was definitely shocked by what I discovered there. There are amazing staff and incredible kids but a genuine lack of State intervention. I was not aware of the school but once you become conscious of it you cannot but commit yourself to trying to make it better. I hope the Department officials who have met the school staff in the last couple of days will also take that on board. I thank the Minister of State for her contribution.

As previously stated, both the Department and NCSE officials are engaging directly with the school in relation to the recent concerns raised by the school. There has been an online meeting and a school visit is planned to involve the NCSE, NEPS, and the inspectorate. I cannot stress enough that any school that has a concern regarding the provision of supports available for students with special educational needs should contact the NCSE, or the Department, in the first instance.

Guidance, advice and support will be provided to ensure that schools are supported and their concerns are addressed.

I also wish to take this opportunity to outline the well-being services available to school staff that are supported by the Department, namely Oideas's well-being at work teacher well-being section, details of which can be found online, and the employee assistance service provided by Spectrum. This service provides a dedicated, confidential, 24-hour, seven-days-a-week service 365 days a year to promote staff well-being in the workplace. In addition, the Teaching Council provides a number of supports and resources to teachers and school leaders to support their well-being, including personal, professional and financial supports. Further information is available on the Teaching Council's website.

Agriculture Schemes

I wish to discuss the recent cuts in the sheep welfare and beef welfare farm payments which have happened recently. I am very disappointed about this. The farmers I am talking about are seriously disappointed about it. They had asked prior to the budget that the amounts they were to receive would be increased. On budget day we were assured that there would not be an increase but that last year's payment levels would be maintained. I went back with that story to the people who had asked me. I was very disappointed when I learned about a week ago that cuts had taken place and that we were not getting what we were promised or what we believed we were to get. There is a cut from €75 to €67 to the beef or calf welfare scheme and a cut from €13 to €11.50 for a ewe.

These are farmers who are producing lambs and calves and they have to be seen after. When we talk about sheep farmers, I think of many fellas and the type of hills they have to travel to collect their sheep to see after them. I think of John Egan, who is now in his mid-70s, and his son Glyn. They fertilised their land with a bucket. They cannot travel it with any kind of mechanical vehicle. They manure the land and they do 600 or 700 acres manually. I think of things like that and the kind of work they go through to keep the lambs alive and to keep their calves alive. It is a really hard job. We are talking about generational renewal and young fellas carrying on where farmers left off. I mentioned work-life balance here today to Deputy Calleary. We must remunerate and reward these farmers because if we do not, there will be a serious decline. Our hills and valleys will not be grazed and they will go wild and we will have more trouble with fires and all that. These people have been doing a great job over the years. The amount of money per individual calf or ewe is small, but we are talking about a loss of €2.2 million to the sheep farmers and a loss of €3.7 million or so to the calf welfare scheme. That is a loss of almost €6 million in rural communities. That is a lot of money to lose divided among all the farmers. Then it is communities, shopkeepers, hardware suppliers, beef meal suppliers and so on. They are all going to take a hit with this.

I am wondering where the hell the money has gone. I got a land the other night in the agriculture committee when two people from the Department came in. The discussion was about anaerobic digesters. These are commercial things that are placed in towns. It came out of one of the witnesses that there would be grants of up to €5 million for an individual person who would build one of these anaerobic digesters. This is about satisfying the 2030 Paris Agreement targets, whereby Ireland would be supplying its own natural gas. This is part of this. Think of that - the whole country loses €5 million to just one person. Is it somewhere like that the money has gone all of a sudden?

I welcome the Deputy's question and the opportunity to set out the significant funding that the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine has delivered and continues to deliver in terms of payment schemes for the beef and sheep sectors. Payment schemes for the beef and sheep sector can be divided into two types. First, there are national schemes. In 2025 there are two such schemes supporting the beef and sheep sectors: the national beef welfare scheme and the national sheep welfare scheme. In addition to the national schemes, there are EU schemes supported through Ireland's CAP strategic plan. In 2025 there are two such schemes: the suckler carbon efficiency programme and the sheep improvement scheme.

Returning to the national schemes, the 2025 national beef welfare scheme has a budget allocation of €28 million, all of which will be spent, with payments commencing to cleared cases in early December 2025. The budget allocation is an €8 million, or 40%, increase on the equivalent scheme in 2024. The national beef welfare scheme attracted more farmers than in previous years and more calves will be paid on. This is a testament to the fact that the measures are practical, and farmers can see the clear benefit of participation. However, because of the success of the scheme and resulting oversubscription, to stay within the budget allocation of €28 million and to ensure that all calves up to the maximum of 45 calves are included, a linear adjustment is being applied to the voluntary measures of vaccination, forage analysis and faecal egg count. No adjustment will be applied to the mandatory measure of meal feeding. What this means in practical terms is that the payment rate for a farmer who has applied for all three actions will be €67 per calf on up to 45 calves. In 2024 the payment was €50 per calf, with the maximum number of calves payable being 40. Therefore, the maximum payment in 2025 will be €3,015, a significant increase on the maximum payment of €2,000 in 2024. A farmer with 25 calves would have received €1,250 last year; in 2025 the same farmer will receive €1,675. That is 34% higher than in 2024.

The national sheep welfare scheme has also proved popular beyond projections. The budget allocation in 2025 is €22 million, all of which will be spent. This is a significant increase on the €15 million in 2024. To deal with oversubscription under the 2025 scheme, the control mechanism is to pay for the voluntary action at €3.50, with no adjustment to the payment rate for mandatory actions. In practical terms this means that a farmer who applied for a voluntary action will receive €11.50 per ewe, a significant increase on the €8 per ewe payable under the equivalent 2024 national sheep welfare scheme. For example, a farmer with a 100-ewe flock doing all measures will receive a payment 44% higher than in 2024, that is, €1,150 compared with €800.

The total allocation under these two national schemes is €50 million, and the Department will spend the €50 million on these vital supports for farmers in the coming months. The first of the payments, €16.44 million, under the 2025 national sheep welfare scheme payments was delivered last Monday to over 13,000 farmers. In addition, in the coming weeks, payments will commence under the CSP schemes, namely SCEP and SIS.

I thank the Minister of State for her reply. I know it is late at night. However, I am looking at my documents here and listening to her reading her documents and I make out that we are in two different worlds altogether and talking about two different things. The sheep farmers were expecting €13 and they are getting €11.50. The beef and calf farmers were expecting €75 and they are getting €67. The Minister of State has a different story altogether and she is talking about different times and different things, but the fact of the matter is that these schemes are cut by almost €6 million. Where the €6 million is gone I do not know. Sheep farmers are furious.

The ISCA Ireland is saying that payment rate for 2025 is being cut from €75 per calf to €67 per calf. One of is right and one of us is wrong. I cannot believe that so many farmers would be wrong in highlighting this to me. There is some discrepancy. The Minister of State might be going back further to when they were only getting €8 but they got €13 last year. We were hoping that would increase this year. Instead, when the budget came, we were told that we should be glad it was not reduced but it did not go up either. We were disappointed but we are more disappointed now. I went back and told the farmers in Kerry that there was no cut to the scheme but they are telling me now that there is. It is in Agriland and every paper in Kerry. That is why I am here raising this.

We have to say to this Government, and I have been saying it every day, that we have to be careful of young farmers because they are seeing this thing of a work-life balance. They see their friends in Killarney, Kenmare or wherever for the weekend. They can go where they like but if you are a farmer's son or daughter, you must traverse the hills, glens and valleys to mind the sheep and feed them or else they will not produce lambs. It is not easy to fool anyone but do not try to fool the farmers because this is what has happened here, and I am in the middle of it. I went home with the message that the payments would not be cut but now I have been told they have been cut. The Minister of State is reading some different stories from the year before or whatever. I am not blaming her one bit in the world. I know she will take my story to the senior Minister. This is a serious issue and the farmers will have to be looked after.

I will raise the specific issue the Deputy raised with the Minister. The information I have here in relation to the two schemes - the sheep and beef sectors - is that the Minister secured a further €50 million for those two national schemes in budget 2026. The Department has met with the farming organisations regarding those schemes. I will go back to the Minister and get him to come back to the Deputy directly to clarify the issue.

I thank the Minister of State very much. That concludes the Topical Issue debate.

Cuireadh an Dáil ar athló ar 12.02 a.m. go dtí 8.47 a.m., Déardaoin, an 13 Samhain 2025.
The Dáil adjourned at 12.02 a.m. until 8.47 a.m. on Thursday, 13 November 2025.
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