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JOINT COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE AND FOOD debate -
Tuesday, 26 Apr 2005

Visit of Slovenian Delegation.

I welcome Mr. Alojz Sok, chairman of the Committee on Agriculture, Forestry and Food of the National Assembly of the Republic of Slovenia, and other members of the delegation visiting Ireland this week. They are most welcome to this special meeting with the Joint Committee on Agriculture and Food. I apologise for the absence of the main Opposition spokesperson, Deputy Naughten, who is unavoidably absent due to parliamentary party meetings elsewhere.

The joint committee comprises Members of both Houses, Dáil Éireann — our House of Representatives — and Seanad Éireann. It has 15 members, 11 Members of Dáil Éireann and four of Seanad Éireann. In dealing with legislation we sit as a select committee which Members of Dáil Éireann and the Minister for Agriculture and Food or her Ministers of State attend.

I invite Mr. Sok to address the joint committee. I am sure members will follow with questions.

Mr. Alojz Sok

I thank the Chairman and the other members of the Joint Committee on Agriculture and Food for their warm welcome. We are very glad to spend time with them in this committee chamber. Before entering the newer part of the building, we had a chance to attend the Seanad session in the old part of the building. We were also briefly introduced to the work of the Dáil.

Allow me to use this opportunity to briefly introduce to the joint committee the system in operation in our country. The Slovenian Parliament does not have two Houses; it has only one with 90 MPs, of whom 88 are elected. There are two representatives of the minorities, one representing the Italian minority and the other the Hungarian minority.

As our constitution sets out, we have a proportional system of elections under which a party must receive 4% of the votes to be elected to the Parliament. At present seven political parties are represented. The present coalition consists of four political parties. The Opposition consists of three.

Allow me to introduce the members of the delegation, who are representatives of different political parties. I am accompanied by Mr. Geza Dzuban, who is the representative of the biggest Opposition political party, the Liberal Democrats, and has been a member for four years; Mr. Borut Sajovic, a member of the same political party — this is his first time elected; Mr. Franc Susnick, who is in his third year as an MP and a member of the Slovenian Democratic Party, which is currently the largest party — of the 90 MPs, 29 are representatives of this party and include the Prime Minister; and Mr. JanezKramberger, who is a member of the Slovenian People's Party, one of the four Government coalition parties, and a former chairman of the committee.

This is my second mandate. I am a member of New Slovenia, the Christian People's Party, which is a member of the European People's Party. On 1 May 2004 Slovenia became a full member of the European Union. This was followed by our first European Parliament elections in June, to which seven Slovenians were elected.

Today we visited the Irish agricultural institute and are very excited about what we saw there. We also visited Woodpark stud and farm and had discussions with trade unions.

I will refer to our agriculture industry and outline some statistics. As Slovenia is a small country, our agriculture industry is considerably smaller than Ireland's. Its total contribution to GDP is less than 3%, including the processing industry, which employs between 6% and 7% of the workforce. The value of the agriculture industry contribution is €500 million, of which half is accounted for by arable and crop production and half by animal husbandry. The core business of animal husbandry is beef and milk production, similar to Ireland. Taking into account the geographical structure of Slovenia, cattle breeding is the most prosperous sector. Sheep production has also been on the increase. We have 500,000 head of cattle, of which 250,000 are cows and heifers, as well as 200,000 pigs.

We produce 70,000 tonnes of sugar per year but use a little more, 100,000 tonnes. We produce 100 million litres of wine. Until recently Slovenia accounted for between 3% and 4% of the world's hop production. More than half of the country is covered by forests. That is why forestry is very interesting for us. As the country has a short coastline, only 42 kilometres, fisheries do not represent a large part of our agriculture industry. We are self-sufficient in milk and poultry production but need to import other products. Slovenia achieved a milk quota of 640,000 tonnes in negotiations. The same goes for poultry. We produce more than we consume.

We have heard a lot about the statistics for Ireland during our meetings and realise how beautiful a country it is. Agriculture is much simpler than in our country, taking into account natural conditions. There is a lot of flat land in Ireland compared to Slovenia. We have high mountains. We have also learned that at least half the income from agriculture in Ireland comes from subsidies under the Common Agricultural Policy.

There are three veterinarians and two agrarians in the delegation, which means we are well versed in the topics in question. I invite questions from committee members.

Anybody who wishes to ask a question may do so. I will introduce the members of the joint committee. We are joined by Senator Coonan, a Fine Gael Party member from County Tipperary, who visited the delegation's beautiful country. Deputy Upton is the Labour Party's spokesperson on agriculture. Unfortunately, she must leave to attend to other duties but she will attend the function later this evening. I am sorry that Deputy Ó Fearghaíl has just left as he comes from the real horse-breeding part of the country — County Kildare. Yesterday the delegation visited some beautiful stud farms in County Meath. Deputy Hoctor, who has also left, is Vice-Chairman of the joint committee. She comes from the same constituency as Senator Coonan — Tipperary — in the south of the country. Deputy Carty is a member of the Fianna Fáil Party and comes from the west, much of which is similar to the delegation's country, in the sense that it is very hilly and mountainous with a lot of mountain sheep and forestry. Deputy Wilkinson was also a member of the delegation which visited the delegation's country. He comes from Waterford in the south of the country, a mixed farming area encompassing dairying, tillage crops, beef and poultry production, and some forestry. Senator Callanan comes from west Cork, a mountainous part of the country and a holiday destination. While the south of the country is similar to the delegation's country, there is also a lot of good farmland. Yesterday, members of the delegation were fortunate to visit the real farming land of the country in County Meath——

Ms Branka Bozic

Is that where the Chairman comes from?

They realised this yesterday when they ate T-bone steak. That is what we produce in County Meath.

Mr. Sok

I apologise for forgetting to introduce two very important members of our delegation, Ms Dragana Culjkovic, secretary to the committee, and Mr. Leon Marc, the representative at our embassy.

Mr. Geza Dzuban

Yesterday and today we had a chance to hear so many interesting things on which I do not intend to raise major questions. As some of us met in Slovenia, the atmosphere is sufficiently relaxed that we can exchange a joke or two. Obviously, we realise our committee could easily be called the committee for veterinary science and agriculture. I do not wish to cause hard feelings because the veterinary members of the committee are top quality vets. I hope the media will not misunderstand the following statement but we would like to say that when we met together in a very relaxed atmosphere in Slovenia, the Irish were singing as the Slovenians played. The point I am trying to make is that we really got along well together.

The main realisation from the discussions yesterday and today is that Irish farmers work under much better conditions than farmers in Slovenia. We wish to provide for the same conditions for our farmers. It is very unusual to hear the representatives of the agriculture sector are satisfied with the policy of the State as well as the European Union.

I take this opportunity to thank members for the chance to make this brief input and wish them every success. I hope we will meet again soon.

Mr. Borut Sajovic

Slovenia is a small country with small, fragmented farms. There is a tendency for these small farms to either stop production or become half-farms and transfer half of the business into tourism. Are there any such small farms in Ireland that combine tourism with farming?

There are.

Mr. Sok

I suggest Mr. Susnik and Mr.Kramberger ask their questions now and that then we follow with the discussion.

Mr. Franc Susnik

Ladies, gentlemen and distinguished Deputies, allow me to greet you on behalf of the Slovenian Democratic Party, which has been paying special attention to agriculture and rural development in order to preserve that aspect of Slovenia which contributes a very special character in respect of agriculture to our common European family. This special character is its very richness of variety.

I use this opportunity to express my gratitude to the members of this committee for sharing their experience with us and I hope we will be able to use that experience in our work. Allow me also to use this opportunity to invite the committee to visit Slovenia, a new member of the European Union, to experience this richness of variety. We hope to see you there.

Mr. Mag Janez Kramberger

Mr. Chairman, distinguished Deputies, allow me to greet you on behalf of myself and my political party. Over the past couple of days we have had the chance to see agriculture in practice here and we realise there are quite significant differences between Ireland and Slovenia. We realise the main difference between us and Ireland lies in the organisation of agriculture here and the land structure. One of the reasons for this difference is that for almost 50 years we lived in a very different and more difficult economic and political system where the so-called "planned economy" was the main practice.

Since 1 May we have found ourselves together in a united Europe where we all operate on an equal basis. Our agriculture now faces big changes. We now depend mainly on sustainable development, including tourism on the farm. I see this possibility of sustainable development and tourism as an opportunity for the future.

However, I wish to raise a question with regard to information I am sure the committee already knows about. The President of the European Commission, Mr. Barroso, stated at one point that EU agriculture serves the development of the European Union. I am not sure of his exact original statement. However the new financing between 2007 and 2013 will change some practices. How does Ireland understand his ten-point plan for agriculture to be pushing the whole economy of the European Union, or, perhaps, does it have a different understanding of it?

Thank you. I thank all of the Slovenian delegation who have contributed to the meeting. Yesterday, Mr. O'Riordan gave a full outline of agriculture in Ireland, covering the beef, dairy, sheep and pig sectors. We will not return to that today as we had two hours' discussion on it yesterday in Grange and I know you found it very interesting. Perhaps Deputy Carty would like to come in on the question on tourism since he is from the west of Ireland. Senator Callanan also has some questions.

I welcome the delegation from Slovenia to Ireland. I do not doubt the Chairman showed them a hospitable time yesterday in his county. I am only sorry I did not get to bring them to my part of the world. There they would see farming practised in a far different way from in the rich midlands. The west has poorer land, mountains and a long coastline. Sheep production is high in both the lowland and mountainous areas. Suckler cows are an important part of agriculture in our area. Their offspring, the bull calves and weanlings, are sold off mostly for export to Europe, in particular to Spain and Italy. Our lamb production is dependent on the French market.

The farms in the west of Ireland are quite small in comparison to those in the east and south of the country, where the land is good. The average size of a farm in the west is approximately 40 acres. We depend a great deal on off-farm income and tourism plays a significant role. Guesthouses are dotted here and there throughout my county and the neighbouring counties, from Donegal to Kerry.

The poorer land supports quite an amount of forestry. I hope this gives the delegation an indication of what farming on the west coast of Ireland is like compared to what they saw yesterday.

The Deputy referred to 40 acres, which is the equivalent of 16 hectares.

I join the Chairman and the members in the warm welcome extended to the delegation. I thank the delegation for the invitation to the committee members for some to revisit and for me to visit Slovenia. I hope the Chairman will afford those of us who have not had the opportunity of doing so a chance to visit at a future date.

I hope the delegation did not feel kidnapped by the Chairman taking it to the best land in Ireland. I hope the members will have time to visit both the west and the south-west on this trip and if not, that they will return to do so.

I have some questions for the delegation.

We have finished that part of the meeting for the moment. Does the Senator wish to reply to any of the queries?

I refer to the question the delegation raised about rural tourism. Ireland is further developing rural tourism. A Government programme of rural development encompasses rural tourism as a means of keeping a stable population in the more remote parts of the island.

Ba mhaith liom fáilte thraidisiúnta na hÉireann a chur roimh mhuintir Pharlaiminte na Sloivéine, sin é céad míle fáilte rompu. I welcome the members of the Slovenian Parliament to Ireland in the traditional Irish way by wishing them 100,000 welcomes. If they enjoy their trip only half as much as we enjoyed our visit to Slovenia, then they will have a wonderful time here.

My one concern is that they will be subject to strict timekeeping and enforcement of attendance by Ms Dragana Culjkovic who always had difficulty in understanding what we used to call "Irish time", which generally means being about one hour late.

The delegation is at a distinct disadvantage and will miss out by not visiting County Tipperary, known in Ireland as the premier county. We are the leaders in everything and we set the standards in everything. County Tipperary has both rich ranchers as in County Meath and also poor people and small farmers and, therefore, offers a view of all the agricultural conditions. I hope the delegation will return to County Tipperary some day. County Tipperary has good land, good farmers, the best food and drink and the best song, music and craic in Ireland. I feel sorry for the delegation that it will not visit County Tipperary.

The delegation should not believe a word of what the Senator says.

Ms Bozic

When is the next train to County Tipperary?

One of the many important questions asked by the Slovenian delegation related to diversification into areas such as tourism and cheese making. Such considerations are of substantial relevance in County Tipperary. It is important to find ways of attracting tourists to an inland county. A great deal of work is being done in that regard in County Tipperary.

I am concerned about the decline in the number of farmers. In particular, it seems that many young farmers are reluctant to work in agriculture and remain in the countryside. The committee would appreciate any suggestions which the delegation might like to make in that regard. The flight from the land, particularly among young people, is very serious. On behalf of the Fine Gael Party, I welcome the Slovenian delegation to Ireland. I look forward to joining the members of the delegation later for something to eat and, particularly, for a chat over a pint of Guinness or two.

We have a minor problem because there is a vote in the Dáil. I understand that the Slovenian delegation would like to leave by 5.30 p.m. I propose that we adjourn the meeting for ten minutes. The delegation can watch the vote taking place from the Gallery. If the delegation prefers, we can adjourn the meeting and finish the discussion over dinner tonight.

Ms Bozic

We can adjourn for now and continue our discussion over an evening meal, if it suits the members of the committee.

Yes. On behalf of the committee, I thank the members of the delegation for attending this meeting. We have had a useful exchange of views. I hope the rest of the delegation's visit to Ireland will be interesting. I understand that the delegation enjoyed its visit to County Meath yesterday. The members of the delegation were brought to the Teagasc agricultural education and training centre in Grange, the EU food and veterinary office, Woodpark Stud and an ordinary farm in the county. They will meet the Minister for Agriculture and Food and her officials in the Department tomorrow.

Mr. Sok

I take this opportunity to thank the joint committee for inviting us to this meeting. Slovenia has adopted the EU constitution and will co-chair the EU with Portugal and Germany in 2008. I hope the members of the committee who have not yet visited Slovenia will come to see us at that time. The members of the delegation have tasted some excellent Irish beef, fish and lamb. I guarantee the members of the committee that they will be offered the finest Slovenian agricultural produce on their arrival, even if it is not of the same quality as the food we have enjoyed here. If the members of the committee visit my constituency, I guarantee them that they will have a chance to taste the best wine in Slovenia. I thank the joint committee again. The delegation will be pleased to observe the vote taking place in the Parliament.

I thank the delegation.

The joint committee adjourned at 5.15 p.m. until 11.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 4 May 2005.

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