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JOINT COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE AND FOOD debate -
Thursday, 2 Nov 2006

Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals: Discussion.

We are in public session. I remind members and witnesses to ensure their mobile telephones are switched off for the duration of the meeting. This is important as apart from the discourtesy to witnesses and members, it causes serious problems for broadcasting, editorial and sound staff. Draft minutes of the committee's last meeting held on 18 October have been circulated. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed.

I welcome officials from the Department of Agriculture and Food who are present today to update members on the following EU proposals: COM (2006) 388, COM (2006) 297 and COM (2006) 536-541, all relating to plant protection products. I understand all these proposals will be taken together.

I welcome Dr. Dan O'Sullivan, senior inspector, Mr. Gordon Rennick, agricultural inspector, pesticide control services, and Mr. Aodh O'Gallchoir, assistant principal officer, crop production and safety division, all from the Department of Agriculture and Food.

Before I ask Mr. O'Sullivan to make his opening remarks, I draw the attention of witnesses to the fact that while members of the committee have absolute privilege, the same does not extend to them. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against any person outside the House or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

I invite Dr. O'Sullivan to make his opening remarks.

Dr. Dan O’Sullivan

I am a senior inspector in the pesticide control service of the Department of Agriculture and Food. My Department is responsible for the formulation and implementation of the regulatory framework for the marketing and use of plant protection products. Council Directive 91/414/EEC, concerning the placing of plant protection products on the market, which was transposed into Irish law by means of SI 83/2003, as amended, established the regulatory framework under which my Department currently operates in respect of plant protection products.

I am joined by Mr. Gordon Rennick, agricultural inspector in the regulatory and enforcement unit of the pesticide control service, who has been and is directly involved in the negotiations on these proposals. I am also joined by Mr. Aodh O'Gallchoir, assistant principal in the crop production and safety division of the Department, who provides administrative support to the pesticide control service.

As this is the first time, to my knowledge, that this committee has considered issues relating to the regulation of plant protection products, it might be useful to place the documents being scrutinised by the committee in context. With its permission I will start with an outline of the regulatory system currently in place as provided for by EU Directive 91/414/EEC concerning the placing of plant protection products on the market. I will then deal with the proposal for a regulation to update the existing regulatory framework. I would then like to deal with the proposals concerning eight individual substances that are the active components of certain plant protection products. I will also update the committee on developments since the publication of these proposals by the Commission.

Plant protection products can be chemical or biological in nature. They are used to prevent damage caused by harmful organisms such as weeds, insects, plant pathogens, etc. EU Directive 91/414/EEC, concerning the placing of plant protection products on the market, introduced a two-stage process for the regulation of these products. Reflecting the principle of subsidiarity, active substances are approved centrally by the Commission while the products containing them are authorised by the member states by applying uniform principles for evaluation and decision-making. The regime in place establishes a high level of protection for man, animals and the environment and also serves to facilitate free trade. A review programme for existing active substances, undertaken to ensure that the same standards are applied to existing and new active substances, is at an advanced stage, being approximately 60% complete.

Proposal No. 11755/06, AGRILEG 127 ENV 411 CODEC 773, for a regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council concerning the placing of plant protection products on the market, will, on adoption, replace EU Directive 91/414/EEC and will also repeal Council Directive 79/117/EEC prohibiting the placing on the market and use of plant protection products containing specified active substances. It was developed following extensive consultation and is designed to update the existing regulatory framework for plant protection products.

Key features of the proposal were stressed by the Commission in presenting its proposal to the 2,750th meeting of the Council on 18 September 2006. It provides for the continued maintenance of a high level of protection for human health and the environment. It reflects the Lisbon strategy as the proposed procedures provide more certainty and enhance competitiveness. It provides for better regulation and simplification of the legislation and it is linked to the Commission communication on the thematic strategy on the sustainable use of pesticides and the Commission proposal for a directive establishing a framework for community action to achieve a sustainable use of pesticides. With those initiatives it forms a cohesive package of measures to deal with pesticides.

The Commission highlighted its consistency with other measures concerning the regulation of chemicals, existing or proposed, the introduction of comparative assessment, the substitution principle for plant protection products, a simplification of the rules on data protection and the strengthening of control measures.

During the initial discussions, which commenced on 18 September, Ireland welcomed the proposal as being progressive, balanced and well constructed. We also welcomed the intention to continue ensuring a high level of protection for man, animals and the environment. Ireland raised issues of concern which will be pursued during the detailed examination of the proposals. These include the need for the reintroduction of arrangements for authorisation of plant protection products containing active substances for provisional periods, to ensure that farmers and growers have early access to improved means to protect crops and to prevent a reduction in the competitiveness of Irish and European agriculture. We also feel there is a need to change the rules on the protection afforded to proprietary data and to extend the procedures to deal with intercompany disputes to avoid restricting the availability of required technology to Irish and European agriculture and to ensure that plant protection products are available to Irish farmers and growers at competitive prices.

The next points we felt needed to be dealt with were as follows: the need to insert explicit procedural rules to facilitate efficiency and predictability in the elaboration of conclusions prepared by the European Food Safety Authority, EFSA, on active substances; to ensure the continued competitiveness of Irish and European agriculture; the need to adjust the procedures proposed for mutual recognition of authorisations by other member states; to ensure that products authorised for use in Ireland are appropriate for local conditions; and to prevent progress achieved in recent years in minimising the risks associated with use of plant protection products being reversed. This is the element relating to proposals for a new regulation. The remaining section relates to the eight proposals for the specified or named active substances listed at the beginning of this document.

In accordance with the procedures specified for the evaluation of existing active substances, each of the active substances was evaluated by a member state acting as rapporteur for the Commission. The evaluation produces an assessment or a monograph which is prepared and peer reviewed by all member states. As part of this process, Ireland was rapporteur for the active substance flusilazole, which is one of the eight molecules being discussed. Active substances can be approved and be included in Annexe I of the EU Directive 91/414 if it is established for a representative use that a plant protection product containing the active substance can be used safely.

Proposals for the approval and inclusion of the eight active substances in Annexe I under restricted conditions were submitted to the relevant regulatory committee, the standing committee on the food chain and animal health, on 3 March 2006. That committee failed to deliver an opinion on any of the proposals. There was neither a qualified majority for nor against their approval and inclusion in Annexe I.

In accordance with the provisions of Article 19 of Directive 91/414/EEC and Article 5 of Council Decision 1999/468/EC, the Commission was then required to submit proposals to Council on the measures to be taken. If agreement is not attained at Commission level, the issue must go to the Council to get agreement.

On 18 September 2006, the Council rejected by qualified majority the proposed approval and inclusion of vinclozolin and of azinphos methyl into annexe I. The outcome is that the Commission indicated no further action will be taken with respect to these two active substances. Accordingly, member states will be required to revoke all authorisations associated with these compounds present in plant protection products from the end of December 2006. This is provided for in Commission Regulation 1335/2005. In effect, those two pesticides are now gone from the market and member states will take action to ensure this.

With regard to the other six active substances, the proposal made by the Commission did not get a qualified majority for or against inclusion in annexe I when Council considered the matter on 25 September this year. In accordance with the provisions of Article 19 of Directive 91/414/EEC and Article 5 of Council Decision 1999/468/EC, the Commission will adopt and publish the measures submitted to Council. As there is no agreement for or against in Council, the proposal made by the Commission will be adopted.

The Commission's proposals for the eight active substances were felt by the Department of Agriculture and Food to interfere directly with a member state's competence to authorise at national level a product in accordance with the uniform principles set out in annexe VI to Council Directive 91/414/EEC. Thus, we felt the principle of subsidiarity is affected. There is a situation in place where if there is a safe use under existing conditions, these active substances should be listed in annexe I of Council Directive 91/414/EEC. The Commission put restrictions in place, which has not been the case up to now.

This approach was seen to exacerbate existing problems in the area of availability of plant protection products for use on "minor" crops. It was also seen as a departure from the normal procedure and, as such, a retrograde step. It transfers responsibility from the member states to the Commission or Council, as appropriate. Article 4 of Directive 91/414/EEC provides for member state competence in authorising plant protection products containing active substances included in annexe I for particular uses. Evaluations conducted by member states in authorising plant protection products for particular uses are carried out using the most up-to-date scientifically valid risk assessment techniques.

As safe uses for products containing each of the active substances had been identified, Ireland favoured their inclusion without restriction as to the crops for which member states could authorise use. When these individual pesticides were being discussed, the Irish position was abstention for all eight compounds in both the standing committee and subsequently in Council, as we were not satisfied with the Commission approach. This was basically a matter of principle rather than a specific issue. As can be seen in the table on the last page of the circulated document, not all these pesticides are approved for use in Ireland. It was an issue we had with the Commission approach.

My colleagues and I will endeavour to assist the committee in responding to any questions members may have. If we do not have the specific answers today, we will communicate further information as required.

I thank Dr. O'Sullivan for his presentation. I now invite questions from committee members.

I thank Dr. O'Sullivan for his presentation and the presence of his colleagues today. With regard to the chemicals used in Ireland, what is the practical impact of the Council decision, particularly the effect on utilisation of these particular chemicals in this country?

The witness and the Minister made the point that this affects the issue of subsidiarity. Would this have an impact on an active substance in a pesticide that would only be used in this country to deal with a particular situation, but may not be relevant in the other 24 member states? That is based on the process which has now been gone through with regard to these eight chemicals.

I know there is a significant public consciousness regarding pesticides and residues from them. I know a significant amount of testing takes place. Is it not the case that if we reduce the number of pesticides and active substances available to farmers for crops, it will encourage industry to look at other alternatives, such as the use of GM to provide resistance to a particular pest? By reducing the number of pesticides, we may be encouraging development in the GM area.

There is currently a lack of acceptance from consumers within the European Union on the issue of GM crops. I accept the points made and the key issue is to ensure there is a high level of protection for humans, animals and the environment. That must be a key objective, but we must also balance that with consumer demands for non-GM products. We should also ensure the competitiveness of Irish agriculture.

The chemicals we are discussing, and the vast majority of chemicals that probably go through this process, will only be relevant to minor crops. If they were relevant to a major crop, there may have been much more debate at Commission level and the issue could be addressed more easily. As a result of the specific circumstances relating to the environment in Ireland, there are particular local conditions which mean pesticides and active substances relevant here may not be relevant in other member states. Would that give rise to concern in the future?

We now know that both of the active substances in the first and last chemical on the list on the back page of the circulated document are banned from use within the European Union. What is the current position on food products from outside the EU that would be imported into the European Union? Can they still be treated with these active substances? Is it the case that if it is banned within the European Union, it must also be banned from use on products imported into the EU?

The witnesses may not be able to answer my next question, and it may not be relevant to their section, but they might ensure a briefing note is furnished to the committee on it. It concerns a report on RTE last Friday dealing with the use of banned chemicals in the mushroom industry. That is still a very valuable industry in this country, although I know it is coming under significant pressure from imports from Poland, etc. That report, if valid, would give rise to significant concern among the public. The matter should be addressed and clarified by the Department.

There is much public acceptance of the role carried out by the Department in the monitoring and utilisation of chemicals and residues in this country. If the practice as reported in the media is taking place within the industry, it would not only severely damage the mushroom industry, but it will damage our reputation as a food country throughout the European Union, and it should be addressed. Are the witnesses aware of similar practices taking place within that or any other related industry?

Dr. O’Sullivan

The first question related to the eight pesticides listed at the end of the briefing note. Under current legislation, to have a pesticide active substance listed and approved for use in the European context it is required that one safe use be identified. That safe use relates to effects on consumers, users, bystanders and the environment. This is common practice and once one safe use has been found, one receives Annexe 1 listing in 91/414. Not the same uses arise in every member state and they have flexibility regarding the evaluation of the risk associated with a particular use. They could also choose to approve, or not, plant protection products containing these active substances.

The Commission has taken away this right and the aforementioned flexibility is important in terms of minor crop uses because there is a lack of information available relating to such uses. It is an economic issue. Companies are not generating information so member states need flexibility.

This deals, to an extent, with the question on subsidiarity. Member states deal with the authorisation of the plant protection product locally and the Commission deals with the authorisation of the active substance on a European scale. Member state approval is for specified uses and risks must be assessed first.

On the issue of pesticide residues and the association with genetically modified, GM, crops, an element of the development of such crops has been associated with the development of tolerant crops. For example, certain crops can tolerate glycoside and by developing such crops the need to use glycoside products is eliminated. This can be extrapolated to include all pesticides. It is a give and take situation that requires a balance of risk depending on which one prefers, a GM crop or use of pesticides. We do not deal with the issue of GM crops, that is dealt with by the Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, and it is an issue I would prefer not to discuss. I would not be capable of understanding the full ramifications. I will not say that one is better or worse than the other, it is a question of balance. We believe pesticides will only be used when safe.

It is the case that there is a balance to be found. The focus is on GM crops and there has been very little debate on the issue of pesticides. There is a perception that we want to ban all pesticides and do not want GM crops. The public need to know that we cannot dispose of both, it is an either-or situation.

Dr. O’Sullivan

Pesticides are used to control pests and genetic modification is another mechanism to control certain pests in that it creates resistance. If one believes neither should exist, one may create difficulties that may preclude one from growing these crops in the country or in Europe.

The point was made that chemicals in annexe 1 are normally approved for a specific usage but member states can then select a particular active substance to use in a formulation relating to a minor crop. Research in such cases may not be carried out by the relevant companies and they may have no interest in developing a product for that market. Am I correct in saying that while reduction in the list of chemicals may have some impact on major crops, it will have a significantly bigger impact on minor crops because of the reduction in the number of active substances that are recognised as safe and have been traditionally used? Could such a reduction, in the medium to long term, make the growth of such minor crops impossible in countries like Ireland?

Dr. O’Sullivan

The Commission listed the crops to which active substances could be applied so automatically the option to use these pesticides to control pests in a minor crop was removed. Generally this does not apply to Ireland, but if such a use could be applied to a crop in Ireland we would not have the option of allowing this use due to this restriction.

Is the Deputy happy with that?

Dr. O’Sullivan

I have dealt with the minor crop issue. The next issue is the effect banning these chemicals could have on food coming in from outside the EU. The fact that a chemical is banned does not prevent its use outside the EU. Other countries will have uses for these chemicals and if they determine they are safe to use they may do so. Internationally, at Codex level, standards are set which give a Government perspective on what is allowed and outside countries can apply to the EU for an intake tolerance which can facilitate trade. Some of these compounds are banned for environmental reasons rather than consumer intake reasons so there would not, necessarily, be a problem with their presence in food entering the EU. They can be present in crops entering from outside if the risk assessment for consumers is acceptable.

It would be best if we provided a report for the committee on the issue of Shannonside. We inspected one of the company's premises for the first time last week and this came on foot of information made available to the Department. During that inspection we found nothing untoward. We only know what we find at the point of inspection, not what was there before or afterwards.

I thank Dr. Dan O'Sullivan, Dr. Gordon Rennick and Aodh O Gallchoir for attending this meeting and for the manner in which they responded to questions raised by members.

May I propose we endorse the position that has been taken by the officials and the Minister on this issue and the principle behind it? I believe it is the proper direction and we should support them.

Did Deputy Upton wish to ask a question?

No. I apologise, I was speaking in the House and could not come down.

The clerk of the committee will prepare a draft report of our discussion today for the next meeting. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Sitting suspended at 11.40 a.m. and resumed in private session at 11.43 a.m. The joint committee adjourned at 11.50 a.m. until 11 a.m. on Wednesday, 15 November 2006.
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