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JOINT COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT debate -
Wednesday, 18 Oct 2006

An Bord Pleanála: Presentation.

I welcome to the meeting Mr. John O'Connor, chairman of An Bord Pleanála, Mr. Brian Hunt, deputy chairman, Mr. Paul Mullally, chief officer, and Mr. Michael Walsh, acting planning officer. We appreciate that they took the time to come early this morning and apologise that we are only getting around to their presentation at this stage. We appreciate their patience.

Before the presentation, I draw attention to the fact that while members of the committee have absolute privilege, the same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

In preparation for this meeting, the clerk to the committee has written to each local authority asking about their application of the guidelines and a variety of replies have been received and circulated. We appreciate Mr. O'Connor cannot comment on individual cases, but perhaps he would share his thoughts or the thoughts of the board on the implementation in general of the sustainable rural planning guidelines and we might have a question and answer session with the members thereafter.

I also say, because Mr. O'Connor and his colleagues were not present, that the Minister was very complimentary about An Bord Pleanála on this issue, as were the members of the committee in their contributions so far.

Mr. John O’Connor

I thank the Chairman for those introductory remarks. I thank the committee for giving me the opportunity of discussing with it again the issue of housing in rural areas and the operation of the ministerial guidelines on sustainable rural housing.

An Bord Pleanála, as well as planning authorities, is required by the Planning and Development Acts to have regard to the policies set out in ministerial guidelines in discharging its statutory functions. Accordingly, in deciding planning appeals the board has had the benefit of ministerial guidelines since March 2004. The guidelines were first published in draft form at that time and the board complied with the Minister's request that, although in draft form, regard would be had to them. The board continues to have regard to the final version of the guidelines published in April 2005. Since their introduction all board members and inspectors, both staff and consultant inspectors, have been instructed to have regard to the guidelines in their decisions or reports and recommendations, as the case may be. To assist board members and inspectors in interpreting and implementing the complex of policies contained in the guidelines the inspectorate management prepared an advisory memorandum and conducted two specific training courses for both in-house and consultant inspectors, one after the draft guidelines were issued and the other following publication of the final guidelines. Inspectors are required in all cases in which the guidelines apply to refer specifically to the guidelines and to factor the policy in the guidelines into their assessments and recommendations. In particular, they are requested to identify the type of area in which the site of any development is located.

In addition, board members are required to fill in a standard form as each case to which the guidelines are relevant is decided at the board meeting recording certain basic information about the appeal and the decision.

The information contained in these forms is statistically analysed and the more salient results published in the board's annual reports. Prior to the guidelines, the board in its annual report for 2002 published details of a survey it had carried out of decisions relating to one-off houses in rural areas. I am circulating for the information of members of the committee two charts showing the results of the statistical analyses and the previous survey. I would caution, however, that the survey results are not directly comparable with the other figures, but they can be taken as a broad indication for comparison purposes.

It might be appropriate for me to make some comments to the committee on the information that has emerged from these analyses — figures generally relate to the current year unless otherwise stated.

The number of new houses in the countryside which are the subject of appeal to the board is quite small — only 500 to 600 a year — especially when one considers that we are building perhaps of the order of 17,000 new houses a year in the countryside. While the established pattern is for about 7% of local planning decisions across all categories to be appealed the propensity to appeal rural housing decisions appears to be considerably lower. This tallies with the fact that the vast majority of rural housing applications are granted permission by planning authorities. About half of the appeals received are from first parties against refusals and the other half from third parties against grants of permission.

It is noticeable that the majority of appeals coming before the board related to rural areas considered to be under strong urban influence — box 1 of the guidelines — whereas only 31% are in weak rural areas and dispersed settlement areas combined — boxes 3 and 4 of the guidelines. This confirms that the greatest pressure for housing development in the countryside is in areas within the catchment of the main urban centres and in areas already containing a high density of one-off houses. There is much less pressure in areas that are classified as weak rural areas, which represent only 16%, of rural housing appeals. These are the areas which in the past have suffered most from population decline. The preliminary results from the 2006 Census, which have recently become available, indicate a significant reversal in that trend. In general the population of the weak areas has increased by 6.7% and the north-midland counties of Leitrim, Roscommon, Longford and Cavan have all experienced substantial growth.

It is also of interest to look briefly at the breakdown of the reasons for refusal of permission. The two most common reasons for refusal are failure to comply with the criteria for rural-generated local housing need and problems with regard to drainage and the consequent risk of water pollution. The next most common reason relates to traffic hazard followed by reasons relating to impact on the landscape.

Rural housing need criteria is the most frequently quoted reason for refusal, accounting for 26% of all reasons. In general, it would only apply to cases located in areas under strong urban influence or strong rural areas and where the board cites a reason of this nature it means that it does not consider that there is a genuine case in relation to a rural generated housing need as defined in the guidelines. The board fully supports the provision of new houses in rural areas to meet the needs of persons who are natives of the area or who have strong ties with the area by having lived or worked there. However, because of the value of sites with permission there is huge pressure of a speculative nature which is leading to an unsustainable pattern of urban sprawl and pushing up prices for genuine local needs. It is often difficult to distinguish between the genuine local need and the speculative applicant, whose ingenuity should not be underestimated.

The issue of drainage is featuring to an increasing extent in rural housing appeals owing to increasing awareness of drinking water quality issues and the threat posed by the proliferation of septic tanks and other proprietary systems to drinking water supplies. There is a tendency for neighbours to appeal permissions granted for septic tanks near water sources. It is also evident that, in many cases, the issue of drainage is not adequately addressed by applicants and their agents.

There appear to be major differences of approach between individual planning authorities to drainage and it is not uncommon to find permissions granted without the submission of any or adequate soil tests or where tests show drainage conditions to be very problematic. This is reflected in the high incidence of drainage reasons in board decisions at 26%. The guidelines are unambiguous on the need to avoid the risk of water pollution.

Landscape, at 20%, is also a significant reason for refusal. This reason is cited where it is proposed to locate a house in a landscape that has a particular scenic designation or where the design or particular location, for example, in an excessively elevated position, as proposed is obtrusive.

Traffic hazard is the last of the four major refusal reasons, accounting for 18% of refusals. This usually relates to cases where access sight lines are not in accordance with the prescribed safety standards, thus creating restricted visibility or where developments require new accesses onto national roads where it is policy only to grant permission in extreme circumstances.

It might also be of interest to examine the trends that have emerged from the figures I have circulated. The percentage of appeals resulting in a grant of permission has risen since the guidelines were introduced. The 2002 survey highlighted that, overall, only 13% of appeals resulted in grants of permission with 4% of first party appeals being successful. In the current year, by comparison, the proportion of permissions granted is 21% overall with 14% of first party appeals successful. The percentage of permissions granted in 2005 was less than in 2004. While it is difficult to be certain about the reason for this, as the guidelines were applied in a consistent manner by the board throughout this period, it may be accounted for by dynamics within the planning system as a whole.

For example, in 2004 the increase in permissions granted was most likely due to the board's application of the more liberal approach set out in the guidelines as compared with local development plans. By 2005, the development plans had generally been revised to take account of the guidelines so that the more liberal policies were reflected in local decisions and consequently appeals were less likely to succeed. The guidelines may well have encouraged more so-called hard cases to appeal which would be bound to lower the success rate. Another factor may be that in 2006, 52% of appeals related to rural areas considered to be under strong urban influence, whereas only 48% were in this category in 2004.

It is important to keep in perspective the impact the board is having on the overall pattern of housing development in rural areas throughout the country. The number of cases coming before the board is quite small in the overall context. The policies set down by local authorities in development plans, which are supposed to reflect the ministerial guidelines, and the implementation of those policies by local authorities largely determine the scale and nature of the development taking place in the countryside.

I very much welcome the An Bord Pleanála officials. Mr. O'Connor dealt in the final part of his contribution with a number of the questions I intended to ask. The granting of first-time appeals increased from 4% in 2002 to 14% in the current year. Is that a reference to 2006?

Mr. O’Connor

Yes, the first three quarters of the year.

That is significant and while I appreciate the work the board does, there is a still a built-in resistance among applicants wishing to appeal genuine cases. I receive many representations about planning for rural housing in particular. I pursue genuine cases with the local authority and I tell the others to deal directly with planners and so on. It is difficult to get applicants to accept they should appeal because of the history of successful appeals. For example, only 4% of first-time appeals were successful in 2002.

The increase in the number of appeals upheld from 4% to 14% is the result of the new rural housing guidelines. Where a reasonable case is made, An Bord Pleanála deals with it in a reasonable manner. A number of local authorities, including Galway County Council, are not implementing the guidelines as the Minister intended. In those cases, I advise applicants to appeal to An Bord Pleanála which is taking the guidelines into account. However, it is difficult for people to accept that because of the history of unsuccessful appeals.

I advise applicants who have reasonable cases to put them to the board but their fear is that if the board turns down their applications, that will kill their site forever because of the precedent of the local authority and the board refusing planning permission on the site. They cannot re-apply to the council for permission because the previous refusal of the appeal to An Bord Pleanála will be cited and the site cannot be built on. That resistance is still there. Some people like to chance their arm again with a new application to the county council, which leads to greater expense, as it costs between €1,500 and €2,000 to resubmit an application.

As a consequence, when a local authority refuses planning permission, applicants do not want to take the final step and appeal to An Bord Pleanála because their site would be null and void forever if the appeal were to fail. I do not know whether that is true but if one resubmits a planning application following a refusal by An Bord Pleanála of the original applications, the local authority will quote the precedent set by the board and it will not grant the permission.

A total of 14% of first-time appeals have been granted in 2006. What was the equivalent figure for 2005, given that the ministerial guidelines were introduced in March 2004 and this was the first full year in which they were applied? My question relates to sites, which are the cause of greatest difficulty in the interpretation of sustainable rural housing guidelines.

Mr. O’Connor

Do members have the chart I circulated?

We only have the chart appended to the document.

Mr. O’Connor

The chart I have outlines the full picture. In 2002, the success rate of first-time appeals was 4% and, in 2004, the first year of the draft guidelines, the rate increased to 17%. In 2005, it went down to 12%. I have tried to explain what might have happened in my introductory remarks. This year, it is back up to 14%.

I will comment on some of the points raised by Deputy McCormack. I was glad to hear his positive comments because the last time we spoke about rural housing, he probably had a different view. I am glad to know that, having observed what is happening, the Deputy thinks the board is observing the guidelines.

With regard to convincing people to appeal, if people do not have genuine cases, there is no point in making an appeal. However, if they have genuine cases, the appeal system is there for them to ventilate their cases and put them forward. They should look at the reasons for refusal, see if they can deal with them and submit their appeals. They should send in any more additional information to the board to deal with the reason for refusal. There is no reason they should not appeal or that Deputies should not advise them to appeal if they think they have genuine cases by reference to the standards and guidelines or by looking at the reasons for refusal. Sometimes it may be necessary to provide more information to convince the board and that is welcome.

The idea that the board's refusal kills a site forever is not correct. Circumstances change; planning refusal or permission is not a death sentence. Also, a person may not have made a proper case in the first application. There may be deficiencies in the information provided or the person may not have been well advised. In those circumstances, people can add to the information. Sometimes an application may go to the board and be refused because the board is not satisfied that the person meets the need requirement or that the site is drained satisfactorily. That can be interpreted to mean the board does not have enough information to enable it to be satisfied. A person can then try to find out what is necessary to satisfy the board.

A refusal is not a death sentence. People can examine the reasons for a refusal, see how they are expressed and then come back.

Is there a precedent whereby a local authority granted a permission where there was a record of An Bord Pleanála refusal on a site? I have not come across one. However, I know of many occasions when the council, after a refusal by the council and An Bord Pleanála, refused the new application outright on the basis that An Bord Pleanála had already refused permission, even when additional information was supplied. This is the reason there is inbuilt resistance to making appeals.

Mr. O’Connor

That refusal must be in the light of whatever information was there initially and the new information. That is the Deputy's experience of one authority, but there are other authorities that are not as rigid and which would look at the new information.

I welcome Mr. O'Connor and his team. I too will be positive because the last time we met many of us were quite critical. The question I wanted to ask has been answered in Mr. O'Connor's presentation and concerned the increase in first party appeals since the guidelines came into play.

We met the Minister this morning. He has been challenged on the basis that what he said has not been followed through with action and that the guidelines are not working. I can see from what Mr. O'Connor has told us that An Bord Pleanála takes his guidelines seriously and is implementing them. However, I am not so sure local authorities are treating the guidelines in the same fashion as the board. We have seen a 10% increase in appeals. This means something has changed, the guidelines have been taken into account and we are getting more positive decisions. I welcome that move.

Mr. O'Connor mentioned that local development plans were being amended in accordance with the guidelines. However, different interpretations and definitions are given to different forms of words and there is a cloud over the issue. Some people seem to suggest they are only guidelines. This happens throughout the country. I do not think the increase Mr. O'Connor has shown would be mirrored in every local authority in the country, which is a pity. Mr. O'Connor pointed out clearly that the Minister set out to improve the situation and the guidelines he set are clearly working, but that is his interpretation. If we had consistency and if the same interpretation was applied by local authorities, fewer appeals would be going to An Bord Pleanála.

I am on the same wavelength as Deputy Cregan. An Bord Pleanála has taken note of the guidelines and is implementing them. I do not expect Mr. O'Connor to respond on the issue of county managers and local authorities. One county manager in particular laughed at me when I mentioned the guidelines to him and he told me they were not included in the county development plan. There was no mention of ministerial guidelines in the plan. He, along with many of his colleagues around the country, ignores the guidelines.

The old saying is that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. A change for the better has been made by An Bord Pleanála and I am delighted it has taken the guidelines on board and is implementing them. I am grateful in that regard. All we require is that a large-scale problem be sorted out. People in rural areas with land that belonged to their father, grandfather or great-grandfather should be able to get planning permission to build a house for themselves. However, their applications are often turned down. This is wrong.

It is equally wrong to impose a seven-year occupancy clause on a young man with a wife and three children who works in the Cadbury factory in Rathmore and who got a letter a week or two ago to say he was being let go. There are no further prospects for him in Rathmore but he cannot lift his house and move it away on a lorry. He will have to leave his house to find work and leave his family in the house in Rathmore until such time as he can do something about the occupancy clause.

I appeal to An Bord Pleanála to be sympathetic towards this situation. The man in Rathmore had no notion of moving six months ago, but because his job is gone he wants to move somewhere else with his wife and children. He is caught in a situation where he cannot sell his house in Rathmore in order to buy a house in Cahirciveen or Tralee. Unless the Minister or An Bord Pleanála steps in to release him from the terrible condition placed on him by the county council or county manager, he will have to live for seven years in the house in Rathmore without a job or income. The situation is tragic.

Another issue I wish to raise with An Bord Pleanála is telephone masts, particularly in connection with Kenmare and Curraheen in Glenbeigh.

We are only dealing with the rural planning guidelines here.

I will be brief. I want to make two things clear to everybody. I am 100% in favour of phone masts and wind power because it will save us from pollution and save us the cost of massive oil prices. However, I mention Kenmare especially, because the mast in Kenmare is associated with tragedies and radiation from the mast is blamed for the death of a young doctor and his wife who were within yards of it. It would be remiss of me not to mention them here today. I refer to the case in Kenmare of a doctor and his wife who resided right beside the mast. They had some kind of a machine for taking radiation levels. It frightened the heart out of me and my son when we stood looking at that machine and saw——

Is the Deputy referring to a current appeal before An Bord Pleanála?

The committee may discuss it in general terms but not the specific details.

I will be brief. There are hundreds of places around Kenmare, Glenbeigh and Curraheen where a mast would do no harm in the world because it would be away from the people. Planning permission was granted for a mast right beside the school yard in Curraheen and in the heart of the town of Kenmare.

Is An Bord Pleanála in favour of wind power? I think it is a wonderful thing but I am aware of a number of areas where permission for wind power is being refused. It is difficult to get areas where wind power masts can be erected and it is very unfair to refuse permission in areas where there is wind.

I apologise to the committee if I have stepped out of line. I compliment the board and the way it has handled the planning guidelines because I have no doubt in my mind that county managers have ignored the guidelines.

Mr. O’Connor

I thank Deputy Healy-Rae for those remarks. As he acknowledged, we can only account for ourselves and the Deputy would need to approach local authorities and county managers from a different angle. I am very touched by his reference to Rathmore because I come from even nearer to Rathmore than he does and I know all about it. Many of my relatives worked in the factory in Rathmore so I know exactly what he is talking about.

There is a seven-year occupancy clause on planning applications in certain circumstances to meet local need. If circumstances change radically and the person can no longer remain in the area, there would be a mechanism for that person to apply to retain the dwelling without the occupancy clause. That person could apply to the county council to retain the dwelling without that occupancy clause, because of the changed circumstances.

This man wanted to get out of Rathmore altogether because he had no future there.

Mr. O’Connor

The clause is there as of now. He must get that removed if he wants to sell the house. The only way he can do that is to apply for permission to retain the house without the clause.

Can he then sell the house?

Mr. O’Connor

Yes, the clause is gone. It is then a matter for the planning authority to decide, having regard to the circumstances.

I thank Mr. O'Connor.

I thank Mr. O'Connor for his presentation and the statistics presented to the committee. It confirms the concerns of elected representatives. With regard to the guidelines and county development plans being reviewed, some local authorities go through a review of the county development plan which may take 12 or 18 months. Would it stop cases being referred to An Bord Pleanála if county councils adopted the draft guidelines as an addendum to the county development plans? In other words, with regard to boxes one, two, three and four, applicants would like to know these concerns were taken into consideration at local level when their applications are being processed.

Mr. O’Connor

The legislation will require local authorities to have regard to the guidelines in their development plans and in their decisions. Many local authorities have amended their development plans to take account of the new policies in the guidelines. There is a complex of policies and it is very difficult to reduce them to a couple of sentences. The local authorities are obliged to have regard to the guidelines in drawing up development plans and in making decisions.

The figures introduced today would question whether the guidelines have been taken into consideration. Some county councils are going through the development plans on a page by page basis and it will take the bones of 12 months to implement the guidelines. The spirit of the law is one thing but implementation of the law is also very important.

Mr. O’Connor

Agreed.

When an application is appealed to An Bord Pleanála, is there a time limit?

Mr. O’Connor

The board has a statutory objective to decide appeals within 18 weeks and if it does not decide appeals within that time, it must write out to the appellants and advise them of a revised date and the reason for the delay. The only obstacle to the board deciding appeals within the 18 weeks would be its work load. Unfortunately the board has a very heavy work load of appeals at present and many appeals are going over the 18 weeks, I regret to say.I take this opportunity to apologise to any applicants who are delayed. The pressure for housing and building is affecting the number of appeals. The board will receive about 6,000 appeals this year.

Can one apply for an extension of two months?

Mr. O’Connor

That can happen, yes. We do not want it to happen but it is an unfortunate consequence of the work load we are trying to cope with at present.

In the current year, the permissions granted are 21% overall with 14% first time appeals being successful. What does the figure of 21% represent?

Mr. O’Connor

That is the total of all appeals we receive. A total of 21% result in grants of permission.

(Interruptions).

What made up the other 7%?

Mr. O’Connor

When the results of third party appeals are factored in. The sum of first party appeals and third party appeals results in grants of permission in 21% of appeals.

Appeals being granted?

Mr. O’Connor

Yes.

I still do not grasp that figure. If 14% are first time appeals, the other people appealing are usually appealing against a decision by the county council.

Mr. O’Connor

That is correct.

Do those people comprise 7%?

Mr. O’Connor

I do not think it can be added up like that. In cases with third party appeals — appeals against grants made by third parties — the figure is permission granted of 27%. We mix the two of them together then and get a figure of 21%.

That means that approximately 73% of appeals by third parties are upheld.

Mr. O’Connor

Yes, that is correct. I invite the Deputy to look at the right hand side of the chart where that figure is given.

I thank Mr. O'Connor for that information, which I will study. It is good that those figures are now being released publicly as they will give greater confidence to those with a reasonable case. As I explained to the Minister earlier, I only deal with cases that I would regard as reasonable. I would not advise anybody to appeal either to the council or to the board if I did not believe he or she had a reasonable case. I find it hard to get people, who have what I believe to be reasonable cases, to submit appeals because of the in-built fear — and the reality in our case — that An Bord Pleanála will reject the appeals. This happened in 480 cases out of 550. With only 14% of first case appeals allowed, in the current year, for example, only 78 out of approximately 550 applications will be granted on appeal, which shows it is still quite risky. I know the board receives many appeals that do not stand up.

Mr. O’Connor

We do.

That concludes our questions to Mr. O'Connor. We are very grateful to the witnesses for attending the meeting. We have had a useful exchange of views, which we appreciate. Representatives from An Bord Pleanála will again appear before the committee on 8 November. It has been requested that they speak about the board's annual report. We will be writing to the board making a formal request in that regard.

The joint committee adjourned at 1.31 p.m. until 2 p.m. on Wednesday, 8 November 2006.
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