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JOINT COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT debate -
Wednesday, 8 Nov 2006

An Bord Pleanála: Presentation.

Item 4 on the agenda is the 2005 annual report of An Bord Pleanála and planning issues.I welcome Mr. John O’Connor, chairperson; Mr. Brian Hunt, deputy chairperson; Mr. Paul Mullally, chief planning officer, and Mr. Michael Walsh, acting planning officer of An Bord Pleanála. Before the presentation commences, I draw attention to the fact that the members of this committee have absolute privilege but the same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are also reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

In dealing with the subject matter, I ask Mr. O'Connor to share his views by way of a short opening statement on each of the three topics. We will have a question and answer session with the members thereafter. We appreciate that the board cannot comment on individual cases but perhaps it could share its thoughts on the 2005 annual report, telephone masts in general and the planning process for infrastructural projects. Deputies Gilmore and Cuffe have had to leave to attend in the House.

I will also have to leave when the next question is put.

Unfortunately there was a clash of business today between the committee and the House, but the Deputies will be here presently.

Mr. John O’Connor

The board welcomes the invitation from the joint committee to discuss its annual report for 2005 and two particular areas of responsibility namely, the planning process for telephone masts and for infrastructure projects, including the role of inspector's reports.

The year 2005 set a new record for the intake of appeals and other cases, up 13% on 2004. Despite a 5% increase in the number of cases disposed of, the strong trend in cases received resulted in an increased workload on hand at the end of the year — up 37% on 2004. The 18 week statutory objective was met in 78% of cases compared to 85% in 2004 and the average time taken to dispose of cases was 15 weeks.

The average staff complement in 2005 was 134.5 compared to 128 in 2004. Some noteworthy features in 2005 were: the percentage of local authority planning decisions appealed to the board remained constant at just over 7%; the rate of reversal of local planning authority decisions appealed showed a slight decrease — 30% in 2005 compared with 32% in 2004. The large disparity between local authorities in the rate of reversal, apparent in previous years, continued in 2005 as is shown in appendix 2 of the report; about half of the planning appeals lodged with the board came from third parties; and some 17% of all appeals disposed of were invalid compared with 20% in the previous year. Late appeals, 5.4%, no fee or incorrect fee, 4.7%, and third party appeals with no acknowledgement, 4.4%, were the main reasons for invalidity. The board took additional measures in 2005 to help people avoid making invalid appeals.

The board's expenditure increased by 6% to €18.8 million in 2005. Fee income amounted to €2.1 million, approximately 11% of expenditure, and recoupment of costs from local authorities in relation to the determination of their own infrastructure projects came to €0.6 million.

The intake of cases in all categories this year matches last year's record level and could well reach 6,000 by year end. The rate of disposals is up 5% over the corresponding period last year and we are heading for the second highest output ever achieved by the board. However, because of the strong trend in cases received both this year and last, the number of cases on hand at the end of October is up 15% on October 2005; the average time taken to dispose of cases increased to 18 weeks; and 53% of cases have been disposed of within the statutory objective period so far this year. The board is taking all possible measures, including increasing productivity, to get back as soon as possible to achieving its overall strategic target of disposing of 90% of cases within 18 weeks. The board regrets the delays that are occurring at present but is seeking to put in place additional resources, to which I will refer later.

The board continues to engage part-time consultant inspectors to report on cases. In 2005, 37% of reports came from this source; this year it is running at 48%. With the approval for additional permanent staff resources, we anticipate that our reliance on outside inspectors will reduce in the future.

Apart from the sheer volume of cases, the size and complexity of cases continues to increase and this places additional pressures on our resources. The legislative framework in which we operate is also becoming more complex. In these circumstances, the continuing high level of output is a tribute to the resourcefulness and dedication of board members and staff.

Up to now, infrastructure projects have come before the board either by way of planning appeal, where they are privately sponsored, or by way of direct application where they are local authority sponsored. The local authority application system requires that any proposed development sponsored by a local authority which requires the preparation of an environmental impact statement must be submitted to, and be approved by the board in order to proceed to construction. Applications for approval of qualifying proposed road developments are made under provisions of the Roads Act while non-road local authority infrastructural development applications are made under the Planning and Development Act 2000. Both systems provide for full public disclosure of all details relating to the proposals and the facility for the public to make submissions to the board. Parallel applications for compulsory acquisition of land by local authorities in respect of these proposed developments are also dealt with by the board. Oral hearings are mandatory in the case of motorway orders and contested compulsory purchase orders. Although they are discretionary in other cases, it has been the board's policy to hold oral hearings of all major projects, even where not requested by the parties. The decision making process for these projects is similar to planning appeals. Full details of the projects, the submissions received from interested parties, the inspector's report of the oral hearing and the inspector's assessment and recommendation go before the board for decision. Normally, major projects are determined by larger boards rather than the standard three person boards. I will return to the role of inspectors' reports presently. The board has put in place systems to prioritise and avoid undue delays in the planning stage of important infrastructure projects, whether they be public, private or public-private partnerships. The average time taken to formally decide local authority projects in 2005 was 22 weeks, the same as in 2004. The board is continuing this level of performance in 2006.

As committee members are aware, the Planning and Development (Strategic Infrastructure) Act 2006, which was recently before this committee and which is to be brought into force shortly, will have major implications for the board. While the number of infrastructure projects coming within the scope of the new procedures will be limited, as they will only consist of specified projects that are of national or regional significance, they represent major changes both in the scope and nature of the board's workload. The Act explicitly provides for full participation by local people, the elected and executive branches of the local authorities affected, other statutory bodies and concerned non-governmental organisations. The board intends, in its general approach and specific procedures, that such participation will be meaningful and that its assessment of projects will be independent, fair and fully transparent.

While the wider national interest and policies at EU and national level must be taken into account, projects that the board considers will seriously injure the local environment or that do not accord with proper planning and sustainable development will not be approved. The new legislation, for the first time, explicitly applies both of the twin criteria of effects on the environment and proper planning and sustainable development to projects in the transportation and energy areas and perhaps the significance of this is not yet fully appreciated. The procedures to be put in place by the board to give effect to the statutory provisions in the Act will have to ensure that the requirement to process applications efficiently and expeditiously is balanced by the need to facilitate participation by local communities and interested statutory and non-governmental organisations. The board is acutely aware of the importance of maintaining public confidence in the way it determines these strategic projects.

To assist project sponsors, interested parties and local authorities in the effective operation of the new legislation, the board is preparing guidance, including details of its procedures. These guidelines will give particular emphasis to ensuring that the public is made fully aware of proposed projects and has access to full details of them so that it can participate in the process on a well-informed basis. I have no doubt that members are aware that the statutory objective in the new legislation of returning strategic infrastructure cases within 18 weeks of the closing date for submissions by the general public is extremely demanding, having regard to the size and complexity of these projects.

At last year's meeting with the committee, I mentioned that the implementation of a major review of the board's organisation and structure was the subject of an industrial relations dispute that was then before the Labour Relations Commission. I regret that it was not possible for the LRC to mediate a resolution of the issues and the matter has been before the Labour Court, which issued an interim recommendation in February 2006. An improved offer made following this recommendation did not prove acceptable to the union. Since then the court has held further hearings and is due to hold another hearing next Friday, 10 November. I hope this will lead to an early resolution of the outstanding issues.

To take account of existing workloads and the new functions under the Strategic Infrastructure Act, the board has received approval from the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government for a significant increase in staffing from 136.5 to 160.5, excluding board members. In conjunction with the preparatory work being undertaken for these new functions, the board is giving detailed consideration to the adequacy of the approved staffing resources to effectively and efficiently discharge these important functions. There are ongoing discussions with staff representatives in relation to the implementation of the new functions.

I understand from correspondence that the committee has a particular interest in the role of inspectors' reports in the decision making process. When determining a planning appeal or other case before it, such as approving a road project, the board is obliged by law to have regard to certain matters. These include Government policies and objectives, local statutory development plans and the views of all parties and interested persons. In accordance with the Planning and Development Act 2000, where the board appoints an inspector to make a report and recommendation on an appeal, the board must also consider that report and recommendation before making a decision. When the report and recommendation is received, the full appeal file is then assigned to a member of the board who familiarises him or herself with the file before presenting the appeal to the board for consideration and decision by the members present at the meeting. In recent years, the board has accepted the broad thrust of inspectors' recommendations regarding grant or refusal in 87% to 90% of cases. However, in a high proportion of these cases where the recommendation is not overturned the board makes changes to the recommended reasons for the decision and-or recommended conditions attached to the decision. In many cases these changes are such that the decision in planning terms is significantly different from that recommended by the inspector. It should also be noted that where the board does not accept the recommendations of its inspector, its decision often reflects the original decision of the planning authority in just over 50% of the cases.

When considering an appeal the board members bring a wide range of professional expertise and experience to the case. It will be clear from what I have said that the input into the decision involves more than just the inspector's report and recommendation. The combined professionalism, experience and varying backgrounds of board members, along with a thorough assessment of all the relevant issues and the inspector's report and recommendations, bring a better assurance as to the quality of the ultimate decision. Even where the inspector's recommendation is not followed, there is no doubt that the report has an indispensable role in informing the decision of the board.

The board's order and its direction indicate the main reasons and considerations for its decisions and, where relevant, for not accepting the inspector's recommendation on the appeal. The board is an independent body which is required to act in a quasi-judicial manner. In law, it is clear that the board has the final responsibility for a decision.

It is national policy to provide the country with a quality mobile telephone service which will conform to the concept of environmental sustainability, meeting socio-economic objectives and conservation of natural resources. In determining appeals relating to mobile telephone infrastructure, the board is obliged to have regard to the ministerial planning guidelines. There are now four mobile phone operators in Ireland as well as several independent agencies providing mast structures for co-location. Demand for antennae locations will continue at a high level in the foreseeable future as a more comprehensive coverage is sought, in line with the 3G technology. As advised in the guidelines, permission granted by the board is generally granted for a five year period to take account of changing technology, changes in circumstances and to encourage co-location. Where appropriate, the board normally attaches a condition requiring the applicant to facilitate co-location with other operators.

Over the period January 2003 to October 2006 there were 84 third party appeals against the decision of the planning authority to grant permission and 199 first party appeals against the decision of the planning authority to refuse permission. There were 29 first party appeals against conditions. The board upheld the planning authority decision to grant in 90% of the third party appeals and this is consistent with the findings of an earlier survey published in the 2002 annual report. The board overturned the planning authority decision to refuse in 59% of the first party appeals and this compared with 44% in the earlier survey.

The predominant reason for refusing permission for telecom masts relates to the impact on visual amenity. Other reasons relate to proximity to residential development and schools and failure to explore apparently better options such as clustering, co-location and less obtrusive or otherwise more suitable sites.

Undoubtedly, the increased success rate for first party appeals against refusal is due to the inclusion by some local authorities in their development plans of severe restrictions on the erection of masts in relation to distance from dwellings. These would amount to an effective ban on mobile telephony over large areas and are contrary to the ministerial guidelines and Government communications policies generally. While the board considers each case on its merits, it gives precedence to the policy in the guidelines unless there are overriding local planning considerations. On the issue of health impacts, any grant of permission by the board is confined to licensed operators which ensures that emissions of non-ionising radiation must comply with the standards set by the telecommunications regulator which reflect accepted international practice. Other than that, the board does not concern itself with the health impacts of individual proposals.

I respect Mr. O'Connor's expertise and I thank him for his statement. He mentioned schools in the course of his address. A mast is positioned very close to Curraheen national school in Glenbeigh, County Kerry. It is not in the grounds of the school but is just outside the wall of this small school in the middle of the countryside. Given the wide area of countryside surrounding Curraheen and Glenbeigh, how was permission granted to place a mast in this very controversial area despite massive opposition to it?

Lest we get off on the wrong foot, I must say I am very much in favour or granting permission for masts. I have questioned the location of only two masts. One is the mast in Kenmare, beside which a double tragedy occurred. I stood there myself with a little machine for reading the emissions from the mast. The hand of the machine waved higher and higher the closer we stood to the mast. I questioned the advisability of that mast's location because Kenmare is a huge place and is very thickly populated. We lost a doctor and his wife in very controversial circumstances. They believed, until they died, that the mast was to blame for their illnesses. My son and I saw the machine and we were amazed at the reading it gave. It may not be acceptable to raise special cases but I ask Mr. O'Connor if he can throw any light on these matters. I mention these two cases of Curraheen national school near Glenbeigh and the mast in the heart of the town of Kenmare.

Mr. O’Connor

As members will be aware, it is policy not to discuss individual appeals. There may be current appeals relating to the proposals mentioned and I would not have the full facts.

An Bord Pleanála granted permission for a mast in Curraheen but permission was refused by the county council due to the one kilometre rule. I cannot say what the situation is regarding Kenmare because it was a controversial issue due to things that happened. If Mr. O'Connor would rather not discuss Kenmare, that is fine.

The mast in Curaheen is outside a school and is very controversial.

Mr. O’Connor

The guidelines state that masts should be located in the immediate surroundings of small towns and villages, in residential areas or beside schools only as a last resort. An Bord Pleanála has tried to observe this in its decisions and on several occasions we have refused to allow masts to be erected in unnecessarily close proximity to schools and residential areas. This is not done for health reasons but reasons of amenities and so on. The Department of Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, not An Bord Pleanála, determines health risks in such matters. All masts are subject to licensing and monitoring by the regulator. There is an active programme that monitors emissions from all masts and results show they comply with standard international requirements.

I am perplexed and was not aware we granted permission for a mast to be erected in or just outside school grounds. However, I am not aware of the specific case and so cannot give details.

I would be extremely grateful to Mr. O'Connor if he would investigate the issue in Curraheen near Glenbeigh.

Mr. O’Connor

If the issue is decided it is decided. I do not know how aware the board will be of it and I cannot comment. Once our decision is made our function is complete and the matter is done.

All permission granted is limited to five years as a standard condition. If there are changes in technology, if they are co-located or if better locations are found by the end of that period masts will be taken down. If permission is granted in the manner outlined I would be astonished if it applies to a period of more than five years.

I will not go any further, but to be quite honest I think a five-year limit does apply in that case.

Mr. O’Connor

The matter can be revisited at that stage. If permission is granted and the conditions are met the subject is closed until then.

I appeal again to members to try to avoid mentioning specific cases.

I apologise to members of the board that due to a timetable clash I had to be in the House for Priority Questions. I am sorry I missed Mr. O'Connor's opening statement, though I have quickly read through it since I arrived.

I wish to focus on the changing role of An Bord Pleanála particularly as it relates to infrastructural projects. An Bord Pleanála has served this country very well and the independent planning appeals system we have had since the mid 1970s has been very robust, though we can all identify individual outcomes that left us perplexed or disappointed. The board has contributed to greater confidence in the planning system and there is no question as to its integrity and independence on planning appeals.

I think An Bord Pleanála's role is being changed by the new responsibilities it has been given regarding infrastructural projects and I will illustrate this by way of example, though I appreciate Mr. O'Connor will not respond to individual cases. This was evident in the change that transferred responsibility for the approval of roads projects, motorway schemes and so on to the board from the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government and, more recently, in changes in strategic infrastructure legislation. A number of recent cases have raised concern in this regard.

I found the decision in respect of Ringaskiddy difficult to understand. The inspector who conducted the oral hearing on the toxic waste incinerator in Ringaskiddy gave 15 reasons planning permission should not be granted in his recommendation. The board overturned this recommendation.

I do not seek responses on individual cases because I know they are decided, I merely seek to give a flavour of what is happening. In my constituency recently there was the case of the Monkstown ring road. The inspector said:

I find that nowhere has any convincing or credible evidence been put forward to justify the construction of this road. I can find no evidential basis for the necessity for the provision of this road. I am by no means convinced that there is any compelling public or community need for this road — the local authority has failed to prove this need and has merely contended that it is required. I am fully satisfied that any objective reader of the submitted documentation would fail to find any such evidence, simply because it has not been provided. All that has been put forward is unsubstantiated assertion: this, in my submission, is completely unacceptable and inadequate.

Despite this, the board decided to grant approval for the road, which completely overturned the recommendation of the inspector.

In my constituency, there was a section 5 referral made by the local authority to the board on whether the replacement of a telecommunications mast would be an exempted development. The inspector wrote a 16 page report and concluded "The erection of the replacement antenna support structure is not exempted under class 31J if carried out by Vilicom Ltd. as it is not a statutory undertaker". The board decided the proposed replacement constitutes exempted development and stated it considered Vilicom to be a sub-contractor for the mobile phone companies. This was a remarkable conclusion since the correspondence contained in the inspector's report asserts Vilicom was a sub-contractor for the Office of Public Works which claimed it was monitoring it.

The next issue is slightly different, but in the same vein. I have a letter from An Bord Pleanála to Wicklow County Council in respect of the Greystones marina development in which it, essentially, suggests to the council how a new design of the proposed development would comply with planning regulations.

Mr. O’Connor

I think that is a current issue and I am very sensitive about any such matters being mentioned before the committee.

I withdraw that.

Mr. O’Connor

If the committee wishes to discuss current matters I will have to leave. We would be leaving ourselves open to challenges and so forth with regard to issues currently before the board and going through the process.

Mr. O’Connor

It would be unwise of me to stay if there is a debate about current appeals in particular.

I will withdraw the reference.

Mr. O’Connor

I hope the Deputy realises I am not being unhelpful in the slightest.

I understand the idea and agree with Mr. O'Connor.

We have a difficulty in that Deputies have to give examples to make their point. I again appeal to members on this issue.

I take the point. I will not dispute what Mr. O'Connor has stated in that respect.

There is a reference in Mr. O'Connor's opening statement in which he indicates the board is required to take certain matters into account, including Government policies and objectives. References are made, for example, to telecommunications masts, and the chairman of the board has indicated it is national policy to provide the country with a good quality mobile phone service and so on. It seems that what is happening is that no matter what infrastructure project appears before An Bord Pleanála, how good a case is made against it or how much an inspector conducting an oral hearing agrees with it, the board will ultimately give approval.

I started my contribution by commending the board, as I am happy to do in respect of its long history, independence and the respect it has. We have reached a point where the board's independence from Government in respect of infrastructure projects is being seriously compromised. There is a belief, reinforced by the types of examples I have given, that no matter what kind of case is now made to the board in respect of an infrastructure project, the board will approve it if it is Government policy to build the road, incinerator or telecommunications mast.

It is a serious issue. The perception of the board as independent and fair with regard to these projects is being compromised. I have stated elsewhere that some aspects of the role given to the board in this area are in conflict with its traditional role as a planning appeals board. I would like to hear the board's response to this issue. It comes down to going into a hall with a couple of hundred people who have made a case which has been vindicated and supported by the inspector, but the board simply overturns the decision. I have given an example. The people in the hall find such a decision incredible. There would be a one-line or two-line explanation. As I have indicated, the explanation given by the board for overturning the inspector's report is often not borne out by the information provided in the inspector's report in the first place.

There is a serious issue that must be addressed and faced up to. I am not trying to re-open the cases involved, as I know decisions have been made on them and that is it. That cannot be reversed. I am concerned about the board's independence in respect of infrastructure projects.

Mr. O’Connor

I will reply as briefly as possible. I thank the Deputy for his complimentary comments about the board and its record in planning over the years and so forth. The current board would be doing its best to ensure that reputation is in no way tarnished or diminished, even in the context of taking on the new functions.

In my opening statement I touched on some of these issues. I realise there are concerns. That is why I stated, before these questions were raised at all, that although I know we must take account of national policies, priorities and spatial strategies, if in the board's view a particular project is unduly damaging to the local environment or is not in accordance with the principles of proper planning and sustainable development, it will be refused. That was a clear statement, and it was said in such blunt terms to try to overcome the concern that might be abroad.

I also acknowledged that the board is keenly aware of the need to protect public confidence as we take on these new functions. I hope that after a couple of years of experiencing these functions, people will be able to support the board. People will, of course, disagree with decisions from time to time. That is inevitable. That relates to what side of the fence a person is on and so forth. Even where people disagree, I would hope they would be able to respect the fact that the board made the decision for the right motives and in a transparent and open manner. All the issues will be on file and available for inspection, debate, etc.

It is important to bear in mind that the legislators, with regard to An Bord Pleanála, decided not to delegate the decision of these matters to inspectors, for good or ill, but rather to a board. If the legislators wanted to delegate all these decisions to inspectors, they could do so. That is the case in some other jurisdictions. In our case, we have decided on this for good or ill. I believe it is good.

Our planning appeals system compares well with others I have come across. I am aware of what is happening in Australia and such places. People abroad have said ours is a very good system. Their biggest concern about it in other countries would be that resources are too large and we could not do it. The board has balance, and the view of the inspector is a significant input. It is not the final decision, however, as the board is responsible for that. The board will take account of factors such as local development plans and could look at them differently from the inspector.

The Deputy stated that the explanations given are brief. Reading the inspector's report and the board's decision, there should be an indication as to why the board is differing from the inspector. Cases may be too cryptic, and we speak about the issue at board level from time to time. We have a constraint as we do not have the luxury of being able to write long, reasoned decisions such as those produced in court cases. We must put through 6,000 cases a year with a board of ten people. It is a heavy workload.

On the comment that we approve every infrastructure project, that is demonstrably not the case, whatever impression the Deputy may have. We have been heavily criticised for refusing some major roads projects recently that would affect national roads. There have been calls for removals from the board after some of these decisions. I do not wish to be specific but they are on record.

We have refused three major roads projects in the past 12 months. We have also refused a major waste disposal facility in the past 12 months. It is not correct to state the board rubber-stamps every infrastructure project. I would hate to think that would get abroad. I would ask the Deputy to reflect on it again. I would regret if that impression got abroad. The only impression I wish to give is that the board gives every case a fair hearing and decides on its merits. We must have infrastructure, which is controversial by its nature. People will oppose it. It is our responsibility to make the call and balance all the factors in play.

I hope Mr. O'Connor appreciates that it is our job to put to the members of the board what is being put to us as public representatives by the public. This is the only forum, certainly the only public forum, at which there is accountability to the general public from the board. My comments are not made lightly. I repeat my respect for the board and its members. They are not in any way a negative reflection on it.

I am aware that the board has turned down infrastructure projects. I note what Mr. O'Connor has stated in that if the Legislature decides it wants something different, it can have something different. However, I am concerned about the legislative framework, the strategic infrastructural legislation, which the board has now been given. It seems to me that it contains a clear message both in the legislation and in the Government policy that underpinned it, that infrastructural projects are to be progressed, speeded up and facilitated. I fear this will compromise the board's position.

The additional functions given to the board were previously political functions. For example, the decision in respect of road approval used to be with the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government. To some extent, the board may be being used as a whipping boy for making unpopular decisions about road or infrastructural projects. Whatever may have been behind the original decision to transfer these functions to the board, the board now has them and it is now the board that is perceived to deliver these decisions in the kind of circumstances that I described earlier, particularly where oral hearings have been held and where certain conclusions have been reached by the inspector. I agree the board has the discretion to depart from its inspector's report and there will always be cases where an inspector and the board may take the opposite view. The type of examples I have given today were not cases where the inspectors' conclusions were marginal; the inspectors' conclusions were emphatic. The board's decision was not a matter of simply tilting it slightly the other way but rather a matter of literally standing it on its head.

There is great interest in these issues among local communities. When people examine such cases and read the inspector's report and the decision of the board, they lose confidence in the board. I regret very much having to say that because I want there to be public confidence in An Bord Pleanála. It is critically important to have public confidence in the planning system and An Bord Pleanála is at the summit of this system. I am concerned that there is an erosion of public confidence in the board. This is neither of the board's own making nor of the making of the members of the board; it arises from a conflict now emerging between the board's functions. The board's role has changed from being the court of appeal for planning to now being the place where the planning decision is made in the first instance in respect of infrastructural projects. This is a worrying trend.

The delegation can say the Legislature can change these roles and functions. I am interested to hear its views and I know the pressure of work that the board must deal with. The board must be aware of these concerns emerging elsewhere. I would be interested to hear if the board has considered how it might address this erosion of confidence in the way in which it does its business.

Mr. O’Connor

We are given a mandate from these Houses to carry out the responsibility and we do so to the best of our ability. We will implement the new Planning and Development (Strategic Infrastructure) Act and it will be up to the legislators to judge how we do this over the next couple of years. The board is acutely aware of the need to maintain public confidence and I have no hesitation in agreeing with the Deputy on that point. It would be bad if one or two decisions that have gone in a certain way should be seen to erode the reputation and integrity of the board. I know that in the immediate aftermath of decisions, people have asked us how we could have made such a decision but 12 or 18 months later, the same people will say they are glad the board exists and that it is better than any possible alternative. None of us operate in a perfect world but we try to make the best of the mandate we have been given and to try to bring all the different balances to bear.

It is also important to bear in mind that it would be wrong if the board made policy because it is not a policy maker and this is reflected in the legislation. The board interprets and applies policies, whether made democratically at local level through the development plan or nationally through Government policies and legislation. The board tries to interpret policies in respect of individual projects and makes decisions on that basis. I hope this has been of assistance to the committee.

I compliment the board on its 30 years of service to the Irish people. It is very important to stress the impartiality of the board and its distance from Government. Nonetheless, the board has been under considerable pressures in recent years, particularly in the run-in to the Planning and Development (Strategic Infrastructure) Act. I do not envy the board its job in looking at the wider picture of the legislative changes occurring at national level.

The chairman of the board in his response stated that we need the infrastructure. I am concerned at what I regard as a broad presumption in favour of development versus the principle of sustainable development as hardwired into the Planning and Development Act of a few years ago. I worry that the precautionary principle is perhaps not being sufficiently applied in some cases, or to paraphrase the Hippocratic oath — first, do no harm. Some recent decisions where the board has gone against the inspector's report have led to considerable unease and disquiet among those involved in such cases.

I note the emphatic statement that the board members bring a wide range of professional expertise and experience to the case and I recognise that fact. However, it is important to state that the inspectors, in particular with regard to the major projects under consideration, also bring quite a wide range of expertise and professional experience. I refer to the case of the Monkstown ring road given that it has been adjudicated on and the time for judicial appeal has passed. For those of us who put days and weeks into that oral hearing, it was incredibly disheartening to see a very lengthy inspector's report of more than 100 pages dismissed in one or two pages of the board's decision. At best, a lacuna exists and at worst there is a credibility issue or a worry at the significant divergence without adequate explanation for that divergence. I and many others are worried about this. There is an issue of public confidence, whether that be the Ringaskiddy incinerator, the Monkstown ring road, the Shankill phone mast. Many of these cases are cause for concern.

The bulk of road schemes have been passed by the board without any significant amendment. Mr. O'Connor referred to three schemes that were altered or refused. Can he itemise those schemes? What priority does the board give to the national interest and what weighting does it give to Government policy? These questions are at the heart of the very difficult decisions the board has to make. My intent is simply to put to Mr. O'Connor the widespread concern communicated to members by the communities we serve about several high profile cases within our constituencies.

Mr. O’Connor

The projects refused were two projects on the M1 comprising a new interchange in Dundalk and an expansion of an existing interchange near Balbriggan. There was also a refusal of the Athy relief road which, while against the inspector's recommendation, was widely welcomed. I note while I am on the subject that we requested the NRA to make critical changes on a number of other roads with quite serious implications. It is wrong, therefore, to consider only refusals and grants as there is also a category of mandated changes to the M7-M8 junction and other parts of the Cork road. The board has had quite a significant impact on road approval overall, which is positive. I stated in my original remarks that the roads legislation under which we operated until recently contained no reference to proper planning and sustainable development. The Planning and Development (Strategic Infrastructure) Act represents progress as it establishes these criteria which legislation previously failed to spell out in the context of the development of road, rail and other infrastructure projects.

I have dealt with the issue of inspectors' reports. The board does its best to explain where we differ from an inspector, but that is something we can continue to try to improve upon. As I mentioned in my introductory remarks, controversial or significant decisions are not taken by the standard three-person statutory quorum board, but by the full board or the great majority of its members. While it is not something we do lightly or in which we take great pleasure, if in our collective judgment following debate, often at more than one meeting, we take a decision of this nature, it is something we must live with and stand over.

It is difficult to state exactly what weight we give to Government policy. The legislation is not very clear on the matter and provides a great deal of discretion to the board as to how it weighs different factors. It is necessary to consider local development plans, national policies and ministerial guidelines in any given circumstance. For example, where there is a blanket ban by a local authority on telecommunications masts within a kilometre of any dwelling, which sweeping regulation one authority actually has, and the national policy does not contemplate anything of that nature, we would not give undue weight to that consideration in a local development plan. While national policy must be given a great deal of weight, if a project does undue damage to a local environment or is not in accordance with proper planning and development, we will not approve it, as our record shows.

I do not know what questions were asked as I have been going from one place to another. One would want the gift of bi-location today. I note that Mr. O'Connor stated in his report that only 7% of all applications are appealed. Of these, half are first-party appeals from those to whom a local authority has refused permission while the other half are applications by third parties appealing local authority decisions to grant permission to others. Is that correct?

Mr. O’Connor

Yes.

The statistic has remained constant in recent years to 2005, despite the fact that the number of grants by the board has increased from 4% in 2002 to 14%.

Mr. O’Connor

That related to rural housing cases only. I am talking about all cases now.

What is the percentage in all cases of successful applications?

Mr. O’Connor

Of first-party appeals against refusal, 25% in 2005 were successful. Of third-party appeals against grants of permission, 40% were successful and resulted in refusals.

That is to say third parties who are against the granting of permission are more likely to be successful than first parties who want permission.

Mr. O’Connor

That has traditionally been the case and continues to be.

I compliment Mr. O'Connor on his 30 years of service in the board, which has changed a great deal over that time. There is now a better perception of much of the useful work An Bord Pleanála carries out. The respect the board has won in recent years may be on foot of the increase in grants or the increased success of appeals. As the fear of approaching the board has diminished, I am surprised the level of 7% of all permission appealed has remained constant. I do not know if there is a reason for that.

Is the ongoing industrial relations problem having an effect on the day-to-day working of the board?

Mr. O’Connor

I assure the Deputy that it has no effect on the board's day-to-day operation. In my opening remarks, I complimented board members and staff on their commitment and the outputs they are achieving. While the matter exists in the background, it has not affected the output of the board or any of the staff.

Deputy O’Connor

It cannot be good for morale in the board that this matter has continued to drag on for so long without resolution.

Mr. O’Connor

While I agree with the Deputy, I hope the matter will be resolved quickly after a final Labour Court hearing next Friday. There are few relatively minor issues that remain outstanding.

Mr. O'Connor hinted in response to an earlier exchange that perhaps the board should expand its reasoning in departing from an inspector's recommendations. While I appreciate the volume of work the board must get through, it would be a helpful policy to adopt a more expansively reasoned response. As an aside, I am surprised the level of staffing in the board has not increased in proportion to the volume of work being carried out. While an inspector's report sets out a reasoned description of circumstances in which one can follow the planning principles and legislation involved, his or her coherent argument and conclusions can be set aside by the board in a couple of sentences. It would help if, where the board is departing from the inspector's report and where there is a wider community interest, a more reasoned explanation was given for the decision.

Given the powers available to Ministers to make regulations and issue guidelines under the planning Acts, national strategies for climate change and spatial development and other documented instruments, the requirement on the board to have regard to Government policy should be dispensed with. Government policy is often difficult to divine. When we divine it we often get it wrong. The Act does not refer to Government policy but to the policy of any Minister. That is an impossible brief to give to the board. I can understand how it leads to situations such as I described earlier where a message is received and an understanding formed by the board that it should support infrastructural development. If Government wants to give riding instructions to An Bord Pleanála in respect of planning matters it should do so formally by way of regulations, which are subject to debate in the House, or by way of issuing new guidelines, rather than by the dropping of general hints from the Custom House or wherever as to what is required at a particular time. That would strengthen the independence of the board and the perception of its independence among the public.

Mr. O’Connor

I agree with the Deputy. It is difficult at times to weigh in all the different policies. Sometimes it is clear enough and at others a number of conflicting policies must be brought to bear. It is the board's responsibility to balance those issues. The board must operate within a policy context determined democratically. It is essential for the credibility of the board that it has a policy context determined democratically, whether centrally or at local level.

With regard to the Deputy's call for more ministerial guidelines, the number of guidelines has increased over the past ten years. Before that time there were hardly any but since then there has been a vast array, covering many of the controversial areas. These have been very helpful to the board. There may be areas that would benefit from ongoing guidelines. The board welcomes guidelines because they set policy down clearly and make for greater consistency in the decisions of local authorities. Ministerial guidelines are a good mechanism for dealing with some of the issues raised.

| thank Mr. O'Connor for his presentation. He mentioned that the complexity of cases continues to increase and that the legislative framework in which the board works is also becoming more complex. My experience of the Seanad is that most legislation is designed to streamline and simplify its implementation. Does the board consider that more legislation is needed? For example, all Bills now include a measure to facilitate the use of technology. The Planning and Development Act 2006 was very straightforward. The only difficulty related to resourcing and delivery within its requirements. Could Mr. O'Connor expand on that point?

What is the board's view on the siting of masts on State or semi-State lands? Masts of 20 m. and more have been erected in Garda stations or ESB substations, in many cases solely for the use of mobile phone companies. What is the board's view on this development and does it require specific legislation?

A number of local authorities are having problems with enforcement. Does the board have a view on this? Does it have a function in the enforcement of An Bord Pleanála or local authority planning decisions?

Mr. O’Connor

When I spoke about the increasing complexity of legislation I was thinking about EU legislation. Every layer of EU legislation makes it more complex. Even judges have commented on this. The environmental and planning legislative codes are becoming extremely complex. I have no ready-made solution to this problem. I merely point it out as a factor that slows down planning decisions among the many factors of which the board must be aware. There are so many fields and layers of legislation at EU and national level. Inspectors' reports, for example, have become much longer than they were in the past. This is partly caused by the increasing complexity of legislation. Much of this complexity derives from EU obligations.

There is a fairly liberal regime with regard to exemptions for masts and antennae. It is a matter for the legislature and the Minister, through his delegated powers, to determine those. I would not like to say the board has given consideration to whether the regime has struck the right balance. We deal with each case that comes to us on its merits, having regard to the guidelines. Many masts are being erected under exempted development regulations and do not come to us or to local authorities.

I am aware that enforcement is an issue. I can see from appeals coming before the board that a high proportion of them relate to retention of development, which means development has gone ahead without proper planning authorisation. A surprising number of proposals are in that category. The board has no function in enforcement. It is entirely a matter for the local authorities. However, a person who carries out unauthorised development cannot expect more favourable treatment from the board than if he had applied properly from the start. This has been proved in a number of recent headline cases.

I am concerned that the public interest is often undermined by the growing complexity of the appeal process. Mr. O'Connor hinted at this in his reply to the previous question. I speak from the experience of my involvement in a few high profile appeal cases where there was an oral hearing. These can be frustrating. Members of the public who attend the opening of an oral hearing soon realise that it may be many days before they will have a chance to make their views known as observers or appellants. People who are holding down a job or are minding children find it difficult to find a way of putting their views across. Could consideration be given to the scheduling of witnesses, applicants or observers before a hearing opens? Could we consider giving greater emphasis to evening hearings at times that might better suit and to improving our ability to provide indicative times in advance? In the four or five hearings I have attended and contributed to, there has been intense frustration, especially from those under significant pressure from family and work commitments. Very often, people have not been able to get their views across due to scheduling difficulties and the uncertainty as to whether an appeal will go on for days or stretch into weeks.

Senator Brennan must leave for a division. He has a quick question.

I welcome the report and congratulate the board on its high output of cases during the year. There was a very interesting debate on rural planning in the Seanad during the week, in which context I wish the board well in its application for extra staff when 48% are part time. Under the new strategic infrastructure Act, the Minister may broaden the spectrum of representation, which idea rural public representatives welcome.

While the general impression is that co-location of telecommunications masts means placing more than one service on one mast, the practice seems to be to place more than one mast at the same location.

Can Mr. O'Connor take Senator Brennan's comments first?

Mr. O’Connor

The broadening of representative panels for board membership is entirely a matter for the Minister and not something on which I wish to express a view. On the issue of co-location, the phenomenon the Senator has described is clustering. The guidelines state that clustering at one location may be better in certain circumstances than to spread masts out over a number of hills. It is an issue that must be considered in light of the individual merits of a case.

I understand and empathise with the views Deputy Cuffe expressed about the difficulty of finding time to participate in hearings. I am prepared to consider ways to facilitate people to a greater extent and to discuss the matter with the inspectorate. However, it should be borne in mind that we must try to run hearings efficiently. Thankfully, most hearings do not go on too long. While they are expensive, our record in running them without consuming too much time from everybody is good. My colleague, Mr. Walsh is an inspector of long standing and it would be useful for him to state his views on improved scheduling for witnesses.

Mr. Michael Walsh

If a case is likely to last for just one day, the problem to which Deputy Cuffe referred does not apply. Where we anticipate a case might run for a week or two, we have developed the practice of working out a schedule and circulating advance notice of when we will deal with certain topics. It is important to note that where expert witnesses are required to be present, we must arrange the schedule to suit them. For example, if a third party wishes to engage a technical expert on noise who is available only on certain dates, we will bend over as far as possible to facilitate him or her. We try also to ensure that experts on either side attend at the same time to allow them to rebut each other's testimony. We have occasionally run evening sessions or allowed cases to run late to facilitate people who, as Deputy Cuffe said, have taken a day off work to attend. While it is not a practice I would recommend, hearings have run on to 11 p.m. It is also the case that if a party produces a substantial volume of new evidence, we tend to accommodate it with adjournments. A hearing might break early in the afternoon to allow people to absorb the new information and return to deal with it on the following day.

As many hearings held now tend to involve significant, controversial cases which run on for a couple of weeks, we have developed the practice of circulating a schedule which we discuss in advance. The practice was followed in the case of the second runway at Dublin Airport which was heard over a period of three weeks.

What is Mr. O'Connor's view of making public the board's proceedings on public, oral hearings either by conducting them in public or, at least, making the transcripts public? Part of the problem is that the inspectorate and hearing elements of the process are in public but the board then goes into conclave to produce a decision. It should be noted that I am referring only to oral hearing cases. What would be wrong in making public the proceedings of the board when it comes to consider those oral hearings? I am not suggesting the board should hire Croke Park and invite an audience, but a transcript at least should be kept.

Mr. O’Connor

If the legislation were to provide for that, which it currently does not, it would be something with which we would have to deal. There is a risk it would not improve the quality of decision making. Currently, people speak very frankly at meetings, which atmosphere might be lost with the introduction of a totally new dynamic. While I acknowledge that the proposals might engender greater public confidence by allowing people to better see where a decision came from, there is also a down side. While I prefer the current system, the matter depends ultimately on the riding instructions the Legislature gives the board in its legislation.

That concludes our questions. We are very grateful to Mr. O'Connor for attending and appreciate his willingness and that of the board to come before the joint committee. We have had a useful exchange of views and the members have been provided with a great deal of food for thought. Members may have future legislation in mind as a result of today's debate.

The joint committee adjourned at 3.40 p.m. until 12 noon on Monday, 13 November 2006.
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