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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS (Sub-Committee on Human Rights) debate -
Thursday, 17 Jul 2003

Vol. 1 No. 27

Ethiopian National Congress: Presentation.

I welcome Ms Berhane-Selassie of the Ethiopian National Congress. She is joined by Mr. Peter Esmonde. Those who are students of Irish politics in the 1940s to the 1960s will know the name Esmonde has a particular connection with this Parliament. At today's meeting we will hear the views of the Congress which is concerned about the human rights in Ethiopia. This presentation will probably take ten to 15 minutes or thereabouts, following which we will have an opportunity for questions and answers with Tsehai Berhane-Selassie.

Before we commence, I remind the committee that while members are covered by privilege, those appearing before the committee are unfortunately not covered. I formally welcome Tsehai Berhane-Selassie and invite her to commence her presentation.

Professor Tsehai Berhane-Selassie

Thank you, Chairman.

On behalf of the Ethiopian National Congress I express sincere gratitude for the honour this sub-committee has given us to appear at this meeting and present our perspectives on human rights conditions in Ethiopia and the basic needs of the Ethiopian National Congress.

The ENC is a civic organisation. It was set up in 1997 and has two main purposes. One is to assert the right of Ethiopians to exercise freedom from fear, intimidation and abuse of their basic rights. It works to create an environment in which citizens can enjoy the benefits of exercising such freedom. For the ENC, working to create such an environment means informing citizens of the rights to which they are entitled, enabling them to assert those rights, engaging in capacity building for exercising basic rights and facilitating processes that would lead towards empowerment for asserting basic rights.

We have been working on various fronts to put these beliefs and practices into practice. Specifically, we have been creating a dialogue between citizens and political parties in opposition to the Ethiopian Government. Governments have the responsibility and the power to ensure that such basic rights are upheld, and ideally therefore the ENC should also work with the State in Ethiopia. Unfortunately, the policies of the Ethiopian Government and the atrocities of its security forces have prevented the type of civic activism for which the ENC stands. As an organisation dedicated to promoting civic values, the ENC believes that respect for human rights is basic to freedom and prosperity in a country of 65 million people. The success of our work on the problems detrimental to such freedoms will be a positive contribution regionally in Africa too.

There are problems in Africa, especially in Ethiopia. Two main problem areas we address are good governance, or governance in general, and the issue of rights in education and health. Environment is critical for Ethiopian people. Ethiopians are together trying to assert their rights to education, health, work, food, environmental recovery, land ownership and so on. The popular demands for justice, better policies on basic needs and an end to the abuse of human rights confirm the regime's dismal record on human rights as widely reported in international circles. These include subjecting Ethiopians to arbitrary arrests, imprisonment without trial and disappearances and murders in broad daylight.

Such persecution has forced many into exile to seek asylum and refuge. The regime's acts of repressions have affected practically all aspects of civic life. Due to bad governance, the country is suffering from a mesh of crises unparallelled in its recorded history of more than 2,000 years. On record is the largest famine in Africa, the third largest prevalence of AIDS in Africa, increasing youth unemployment and indescribable hopelessness, the emergence and rapid rise of child prostitution, the trafficking of young women to the Middle East and elsewhere, the destruction of existing educational and health structures, dismissals of large numbers of highly qualified and much needed professionals in education, health, judicial and other fields and the worst repression of press freedom, with Ethiopia at times having the largest number of imprisoned journalists.

Most of these problems arise from bad governance and the deprivation of the rights of citizens to develop because of excessive government control. Repression is characteristic of the single party dictatorship which is the government in Ethiopia. Nominally a federal state, the Tigré People's Liberation Front, TPLF, is in control of the economic resources and the forces of coercion. The TPLF at the apex, with the supreme officer of the party as prime minister, created client ethnic based parties between 1991 and 1993. These are described by foreign observers as "loyal opposition" or "affiliated parties." They occupy 518 out of 548 seats in the parliament. The control by the TPLF of the single party cadres extends down to the smallest sections of the ethnic based administrative units. They have similar control in educational, health, judicial and other public service institutions. They infiltrate hospitals, schools, students and labour unions and even welfare, social and sporting associations. The spread of the cadres, drawn from the rank and file TPLF membership, represents a highly centralised control by a single ethnic based party.

The same hold on the security forces has enhanced the government's power of repression with impunity, and there is a general sense in the population of the dismal hopelessness of seeking redress. Lack of respect for the integrity of the person, arbitrary or unlawful deprivation of life and intimidating behaviour are everyday occurences and practices by the armed forces. During elections, for instance, violations by the security forces often result in civilian deaths. Such unlawful killings within the last year alone reached an estimated 1,200 to 1,500 around the country. The government does not take disciplinary measures against the perpetrators even when they have been identified and apprehended. They took no action, for instance, against the persons responsible for the pre-election and post-election killings in 2000 and 2001.

I now turn to the crackdown on educational and health institutions. The ENC believes that the attacks on education and health have been the most "foundational". Beginning from the dismissal of 41 university professors, including myself, in February 1993, to the dismissal of 40 medical doctors, including my younger sister, on 23 May 2003, wastage of human resources has been continuously affecting schools, hospitals and other institutions. The additional personal stories in the document supplied are there to show that the effects are widespread. Almost every person in Ethiopia is affected.

The nation's youth has been the most negatively affected. The standard of primary, secondary and tertiary education has gone downhill. With the requirement for students to pay their way beyond junior secondary school, access to serious education has been drastically curtailed. The Ethiopian Teachers Association ETA, and others who have been protesting at such drastic policies have been suffering crackdowns, imprisonment, murder, arrests and disappearances while harassment of officers and teachers throughout the country have made the ETA infamous in the EU and elsewhere. The innumerable cases of repression have resulted in intense fear and a general state of insecurity of lives and livelihoods. Family and social lives have been disrupted and there is a general breakdown of law and order. Reports by Amnesty International and other human rights bodies condemning flagrant abuses of human rights show evidence of systematic repression in Ethiopia.

At the ENC we have thought seriously about these issues and worked on possible solutions. We have come to believe that, by now, the impacts of the repressions are deeply rooted; they cannot be easily removed. Neither condemnations of the government which perpetrates the abuses nor representations to it seem to improve human rights in Ethiopia.

At the Ethiopian National Congress, therefore, we have identified a few solutions. Two of these are now our priority areas. Most of them are listed on page 1. One is a long-term solution and it involves working with the youth in Ethiopia. The other is a short-term answer. It involves work with those interested in good governance -political activism. The work with the youth may be described thus: the youth are affected by poverty, famine and AIDS and the young population is suffering from the worst of the country's problems in that sense. Youth is particularly affected also by the lack of access to educational institutions and quality education as well as unemployment and hopelessness. Symptomatic of the general breakdown and demoralisation is the ease with which thousands and thousands of young women have now become victims of trafficking - across the Middle East, mostly - and subsequent gross abuses.

The ENC, which is basically aimed at creating an enabling environment in which Ethiopians can assert the right to respect for their human rights, has responded to the problem with a two-fold proposal: one is to engage in research based civic education to reverse the hopelessness of the youth; the second aims to facilitate the emergence of an alternative political leadership. Research based civic education is essentially geared to help youth orientate themselves towards self-help. The two part programme has already begun to lay the foundations in Ethiopia for widespread and responsible engagement in environmental recovery. Some of our volunteers are doing research to identify the scale and social base of the trafficking of young women out of their homes and eventually out of the country. This has to do with the youth,

Our other work is to create an enabling environment for everybody, if possible. In the major initiative to create an environment in which Ethiopians can engage in politics without fear and intimidation, we have facilitated co-operation among leaders currently in opposition to the regime in Addis Ababa. Leaders from different political parties have been engaged in dialogue, with our consultation, to work out common minimum principles and strategies for peacefully challenging the regime. The spirit and practice of this engagement by the ENC is widely supported by Ethiopians both at home and abroad.

An instance of this occurred as recently as last Saturday, 12 July 2003. In my capacity as chairperson of the ENC, I chaired a "virtual town hall" meeting, arranged via teleconferencing. It was an international meeting, attended by members of the public and representatives of a coalition of opposition political parties. The coalition had come about through the efforts of the ENC which had been mediating their agreements since its inception in 1997. Citizens at that meeting questioned and challenged the representatives of those parties to give clear and honest replies. On their part, the parties showed that respect for political, economic, social, environmental and other rights of Ethiopians in all walks of life is high on their agenda. They promised us they will not tie down Ethiopians to ethnic territories and ethnic identities. The amicable dialogue was obviously much needed. To many who expressed their opinion afterwards, it signified the beginnings of a hopeful, transparent and sensitive political future, with new leaders and actors. The dialogue last Saturday represents the beginnings of a practice that can be universally recognised as one of the basic tenets of citizens' political rights. It must have a future. In Ethiopia we cherish such rights. The ENC has laid the ground for asserting ways to support its continuity. We consider the dialogue with the opposition parties a way of building a more stable and peaceful future with accountable governments - and this is critical in Africa. Accountable governments are critically missing, not least in Ethiopia for the last 25 years or so.

In the long-term, we hope that the success of the ENC's endeavours will set the scene for increasing mutual benefit between Ethiopia and the international community, not least the countries of the EU. It is time for all of us to go beyond saying, as has been stated for centuries, "Ethiopia is full of potential" - and latterly a "basket case" too. If its basic human rights are freed up, so too will be its potential.

In conclusion, the ENC intends to ensure the continuity of the dialogue it has facilitated between Ethiopian citizens and political activists and leaders. We are now looking for dialogue for expanding the working relationships we have with civic organisations, political parties and governmental and other institutions in Europe and North America. We have reached the stage at which the implementation of our programmes requires assistance from the international community. We would sincerely appreciate capacity building support as well as political representation.

Thank you for giving us the opportunity to make our case. I will, of course answer any queries. My colleague here, who happens to be my husband also by the way, is a member of what the ENC describes as Friends of Ethiopia. Non-Ethiopians who are sympathetic to our cause and who support us we describe as Friends of Ethiopia - and he, too, can answer questions, if need be. Thank you.

Thank you, Professor, for your informative presentation giving us an overview of the current situation in Ethiopia and the work of the ENC. I would have to concede that I was not aware of the work - or indeed the existence - of the ENC until I received your correspondence. This morning's meeting, therefore, is very informative in that regard. Since the meeting commenced we have been joined by MEPs Niall Andrews, Jim Fitzsimons and Patricia McKenna. You are all welcome. Seán Ó Neachtain, MEP, was here earlier. MEP Andrews has the first question, followed by Senator Mooney and Senator Feeney.

Mr. Niall Andrews, MEP

First, may I welcome our guests. I, too, am a Friend of Ethiopia - 20 years a member of the ACP parliamentary assembly. I have seen it evolve and develop. I have visited Ethiopia on a number of occasions and I have seen the most extraordinary decency and compassion among the Ethiopian people. They very often had very little to share, but shared it with visitors and refugees from Somalia in the most extraordinarily generous way. This is a country that has had so many problems and difficulties and is confronted by dictatorship and a lack of human rights and democracy. Professor Berhane-Selassie's husband is not the only Friend of Ethiopia present. I too am a member. I want to say how much I admire the Ethiopian people and their great dignity as shown in the respect they hold for each other and their neighbours and visitors. It is something from which we in this country could learn a great deal - how they open their hearts to people who are less well off, and it is hard to imagine how people could be less well off than many Ethiopians. I apologise, Madam, for being a little late.

I have spent many years travelling through Africa, a continent of extraordinary beauty and people with a cultural diversity of such proportions that it is hard to imagine. I am happy that the professor has emphasised the need for education because that is the real priority for Ethiopia, Sudan, Angola and all of Africa. Of course one has to begin with good governance and then education. I note that the professor refers to the rights to education, health, work, food, environmental recovery and land but one can overstretch: the first aim should be education and health. Would the professor like to comment in more detail on the issue of health, particularly in Ethiopia? I thank her for her submission. It is an honour to be sitting in the same room as her.

Before we call on the professor to respond to Mr. Andrews's specific queries on health and education, I call on Senator Mooney to make his contribution.

I bow to my distinguished friend and colleague's greater wisdom and knowledge of Ethiopia. I compliment him on his work as a member of the European Parliament and that of his brother, our former Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr. David Andrews who has been active in highlighting the problems of Ethiopia. As Professor Berhane-Selassie is aware, Ethiopia is one of the primary recipients under the Ireland Aid programme. I would have very little knowledge of Ethiopian society in the absence of the professor's detailed submission, other than the perception in Ireland that it is a "basket case" in Africa, subject to recurrent famine. We are regularly asked to respond to emergency fund requests from the NGOs operating there and we have very little other knowledge of what is going on in the society. I admit, with my hands up, that this is a complete surprise.

I am not surprised that the government is repressive, as is the case sadly throughout Africa and in other parts of the world. Those governments especially which receive donor aid tend to be repressive. Consider the approach that the major powers have taken towards Burma, in which I have a particular interest. In recent days the US House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a resolution which, with the Senate's support, will mean that very quickly the US will impose trade sanctions on Burma. The British Government has already made clear too that it wishes tour operators to stop sending tourists there. It is an end game in that the military junta will not be able to ignore the will of the world in this regard, especially when the major powers have come in. However, there seems to be no action of that type in Ethiopia. As Mr. Andrews says there seems to be an emphasis on other elements or perhaps there is no emphasis and that is why he has asked the question.

I would like to focus on governance. For example, if the lists, which the professor has given us, of officials of the European Teachers' Association who have been dismissed from their jobs, and names of members of her organisation who are in prison, were to be circulated to this committee and our parent committee, the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs, a string of resolutions would be passed but there has been silence on Ethiopia.

I compliment the Chairman for bringing the professor here today. We are usually made aware of repressive governments which have locked up people and with whom we have direct, trade, economic and aid relations. This committee should pass a very strong resolution because we are supplying Irish taxpayers' money to the Ethiopian Government. Aid should be linked to human rights. Maybe I am naive in a cruel world but it is the only muscle we have if we are going to make an impact other than meeting here today and engaging in dialogue. In this way we can take a proactive approach and make it clear to the government in Addis Ababa that the methods it is adopting against its own people are unacceptable in any civilised society. I would like to hear the views of my colleagues on this.

I am very pleased that Mr. Andrews is here. I salute his bravery and that of his associates who are working in an extremely difficult environment. He can rest assured that this committee, with the Chairman's help, will keep his agenda high on its priority list.

Senator Feeney has indicated that she has a small supplementary question.

I welcome Professor Berhane-Selassie. I can go one step further than Mr. Andrews in that not only am I a friend of Ethiopia but I have two Ethiopian in-laws. I have a brother and sister-in-law who are married to Ethiopians, one living in Addis Ababa and the other in Lesotho, both employed by the UN, so I am familiar with what is going on in Ethiopia. I have had the pleasure only once to visit Ethiopia but my 15 year old daughter spent three months there a year ago as part of her transition year programme and she cannot wait to finish school to go back.

I know what Mr. Andrews means about warm, decent, big hearted people. That is exactly what the Ethiopians are as a nation. I have never met such honesty, or such respectful, kind hearted people as I did in Ethiopia. What struck me most was that outside Addis Ababa there are no roads. I wondered where the roads were and what we would drive on. One travels for miles on what as a child I would have known as a dirt track yet that is what serves the Ethiopians for roads. No matter whom I met, no matter how poor he or she was, or how poverty stricken an area, everybody managed to smile and to give me a generous handshake and a hug. They are such warm physical people; I was blown away by them.

I knew a little of what was going on in the area of human rights but the Professor has presented it in a way that has really touched me this morning and I am saddened that it is so. When the professor talks about pre-election and post-election killings I wonder where is Amnesty International? Why have we not heard about this? Maybe other people have heard of it but this morning is the first time I have heard of it from someone like the professor. I am saddened too that education can be eroded through the professor losing her job in the university and her younger sister not being allowed to practise as a doctor. The most horrific crime against society is the trafficking of young women for the prostitution market and that is obviously going on as well.

Senator Mooney and I have spoken in another arena about Ireland's contribution to the developing world and we are particularly proud of the Ireland Aid programme. As a member of the ENC, what is the professor's experience of the Ireland Aid programme? We are putting in a great deal of money. Lesotho may be benefiting most in terms of funding, but Ethiopia is next. What is your view of our programme? Is the funding getting to people like yourselves?

We have heard from three speakers who are interested in this subject - Mr. Andrews on the health and education issue, Senator Mooney on the international response and Senator Feeney. We would like to hear the delegation's views on those issues.

Professor Berhane-Selassie

I am humbled and do not know how to handle this. The praise for the Ethiopian people is something about which I have been reading. It is very touching and very moving. That is the image we have cherished for many years, totally trusting of the international community. We have known about it but did not know about certain countries, such as New Zealand or Ireland. We did not realise that there are so many people who are sympathetic to the Ethiopian people. The only Irish people I know are Dervla Murphy, because of her book, and I have had some connections with Thomas Pakenham and people like that. I did not know Europeans were so sympathetic. If I was allowed recruit Friends of Ethiopia in this place I would be pleased if you would join us as Friends of Ethiopia. It is one way we have of involving the international community as individuals to be members of the ENC. We would be most grateful if you could be one of our members.

I shall now respond to the questions asked. Why are details missing about governance? What are my views on education? Why do we not have reactions from people like us about Irish aid? What is our view on Irish aid? Education is our priority. The International Congress works on education in a different way. We would like first to rescue the hopeless youth. About 45% of the Ethiopian population is below the age of 24. It is a very young population and that is the population that is being affected by the education policy that wants to atomise the nation first, by having a policy where education is to be in local languages up to the first eight classes. Education has to be in local languages. In junior and secondary schools, English and other international languages and the lingua franca, Amharic, will be introduced to the children. Once they finish junior school there is a cut-off point. If they want to proceed to take college entrance examinations two years after junior school they would have to pay for the privilege and pay for their schooling. The majority of the school age population are thrown out of the school system, first, because they do not have the lingua franca and, second, even for the localised ethnic languages there are no textbooks. No preparations have been made to have teachers. There are no local schools to cope with the languages. There are 86 languages in that country. Approximately 130 have languages coming out of those schools. These are to be the school languages of the elementary school. There are no parishes and, therefore, there are no schools for these children. That is the law of the land. It means keeping the children out of schools. We suspect that Tigrit Peoples’ Liberation Front that is now in power has been supported by the West during the Cold War to build schools in the Tikrit province - or the Tikrit region as it is called now - an ethnic region. They have better chances of educating the children they want to educate in that fashion. Even there Amharic is the language that is being taught because that is the lingua franca. The rest are being prevented from learning the lingua franca and getting them to learn English, the international language, is very remote. They cannot do it. Many parents have to find distant relations in urban areas to whom to send at least one child so that they can get some schooling that will eventually enable them to get employment.

The universities have been deliberately dismantled. Staff and material have been carted off to Tikrit. The staff have been dismissed and demoralised. Control has been inculcated in the education systems through the TPLF cadres to promote the system of education that the TPLF wants. Absolutely muzzled, controlled and demoralised some started to protest that they have been thrown out of schools. They have been imprisoned, some have been killed and some have disappeared; God knows what has happened to them. There are 15,000 political prisoners in the country most of whom have yet to be brought to court after six, eight, ten or 12 years in prison. The pressure to dismantle the education system is indescribable. One of the questions we raised in 1991 with the TPLF was what was going on and why were we being dismissed; we were eventually dismissed in 1993. The answer we were given was "we left our university education having tried to get in there and we have not been educated. You lot now want to keep that standard. If you get down to our level there is no need for education". That is the statement that was made to most of us who raised this question with specific officials when they came to power. It is a deliberate policy to bring people down to their level because they feel that everybody must be their equal.

We do not know what revenge is. In our interpretation, it is to get rid of the nation of Ethiopia. They follow the principles that were put in place by the Italian Fascist occupiers in 1935-41. The ethnic linguistic divisions they follow and the education levels they want are an exact replica of the Fascist policy of 1935-41. Most of the fathers of the current TPLF leaders were allies of the war, collaborators of the enemy in 1935-41. They followed the exact replica of that system. We do know what will be the eventual outcome of the plan. They are destroying it. What the ENC is trying to do now is to provide some kind of self-respect for the youth, some kind of dignity for the youth so that they can begin to educate themselves and become literate. That is my comment about the education system.

The details about governance are missing. We had them compiled. I have to confess, and I say this at the risk of not knowing what impressions you will get of us, we are not known as the best lobbyists on our behalf. We are still trying to learn how to lobby. We are still trying to reach people so that they will know how we have been harmed. The details have been compiled but I thought it would be too much to bring everything to the committee. I will send to the sub-committee at least 20 copies of each of the atrocities that have been committed. These show what kind of bad governance there is in the country.

If I may, Chairman, I will call my husband, Mr. Peter Esmonde, to explain about Ireland Aid. He has worked in development for about 20 years. He had some influence in getting the Irish Consulate to open in Addis Ababa.

Mr. Peter Esmonde

There was some background facilitation about ten years ago, which was very helpful. I was very glad to have that. I will not go into the details now but some officials came out to meet us there shortly after that. I have not been working closely with Ireland Aid. I was in an organisation that did not seek funds from Ireland Aid as it happened. Altogether I spent 12 years in Ethiopia from 1988 to 1999.

I was pleased when Irish aid started flowing. I have very little knowledge of it but I understood that initially it was led by the nose, to some extent, up to Tigré - what has become known officially as region number one. Subsequently, Irish aid managed to get down to the south - Garagy country. There may or may not have been some links with Catholic missions as well. There is a Catholic hospital in Garagy which received aid. Official aid is very difficult to administer because of the diplomatic aspects and the need to relate to the authorities. Perhaps, in some ways, NGOs have more flexibility. They still have to relate to the authorities but sometimes they can work more on the side. I am sure Ireland has managed to funnel aid through appropriate channels in many cases. I must admit, however, that I was a bit sceptical of what was happening in the early years. I wondered whether I had encouraged things too rapidly. Aid which went directly to the Ethiopian Government, both before the change of government and after, was really thrown down the pit essentially. It was like throwing money away. Only if it could be put through reputable local and international organisations would one have real hope of it benefiting the people.

The problem is that, even now, the government people call themselves bandits. The word "voyané", which is what they have always called themselves, means bandit. They are basically pillagers and so the procurement of international aid is one of their top priorities if they can gloss over it, cover it up and fob off officials who want to get the latest reports on what they have done with it. They will keep that up for as long as they can. I am sure the Irish Consul in Addis Ababa is very canny and she knows a lot more than I do about problems on the ground.

Professor Berhane-Selassie

If I may conclude, I called on Mr. Esmonde to speak so that he could put his views in an acceptable way. In brief, the Ethiopian population - people like me - do not know anything about it. Friends and volunteers have set up NGOs in Ethiopia but they have not been helped by donations from Irish aid.

Ms Patricia McKenna, MEP

Like some other members of the committee, I am sorry I missed most of Professor Berhane-Selassie's presentation but I have been looking through what she said. A friend of mine in the European Parliament is Ethiopian and last year she returned there. She told me the situation is very bad; this has come up a number of times in the European Parliament. In addition there have been reports by Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International but it seems that, even since that, things have become much worse. Professor Berhane-Selassie highlighted the arrest of teachers this year so it seems that things are getting out of control.

What Mr. Niall Andrews, MEP, said about health and education is very important. Professor Berhane-Selassie said that long-term solutions would involve working with the youth in Ethiopia and with other people who are interested in good governance. It seems, however, that there is a serious problem of repression, including arbitrary arrests and detention without trial. Even members of the teachers association are being arrested and held. One may try to motivate and empower young people, yet people are repressed by the system. There is a danger that even more people may be arrested because anyone who challenges the system in any way will be repressed. What solution does Professor Berhane-Selassie see in working with young people to try to ensure that the issue of repression is addressed?

This matter has been raised on numerous occasions but, as Professor Berhane-Selassie said, it seems that the authorities do not care about international opinion. Senator Mooney mentioned sanctions but I wonder how does Professor Berhane-Selassie feel about that idea. What can be done to put pressure on the authorities to reform the system and release detainees? Mr. Niall Andrews and I are members of the European Parliament and can get this issue raised there but does Professor Berhane-Selassie feel there is anything more we could do to get the detainees released? Pressure could be brought to bear by the European Union to try to ensure that they are released and that the repression is stopped.

I also want to mention trafficking in human beings. Professor Berhane-Selassie mentioned that many young Ethiopian women are trafficked to the Middle East and elsewhere. Is there European involvement in trafficking young women? It seems many countries are turning a blind eye to this, including the Middle Eastern states where the victims end up. Such countries must be aware that these people are being trafficked, used and abused. Which countries are the most prominent in ignoring what is going on both within the European Union and in the Middle East?

I welcome Professor Berhane-Selassie to the committee. Unfortunately, her presentation was very grim and contained disappointing news, which is perhaps an understatement. As one who visited Ethiopia as a Minister of State and had the opportunity of meeting informally with the country's Deputy Foreign Minister, the main issue, among others, was the attempt to bring an end to the conflict in Eritrea. What I have heard this morning certainly is very disappointing. I had a brief meeting in Ethiopia and I did not have an opportunity to meet our NGOs out there.

The Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs recently invited NGOs that are operating in Ethiopia to make presentations and outline the crisis in the country. The sub-committee decided it would be a priority to keep the situation in Ethiopia to the fore. It is disappointing that large amounts of financial aid are being given to Ethiopia, yet the Ethiopian Government is dismantling it by removing people from education and health positions. That is unacceptable. The committee will continue to highlight this unsatisfactory situation. There is little point in directing large resources to deal with the problems if the Ethiopian Government is dismantling them.

I thank the delegation for attending the sub-committee. The information you have provided is helpful and differs in some respects from that provided by NGOs. It illustrates that the ENC has a very important role which we will continue to support.

I congratulate the members of the delegation on what you are trying to achieve, and not least for your courage. I visited Ethiopia twice within the past 18 months. On my first visit I was part of a parliamentary delegation while on my second I was alone. Often parliamentary delegations only get to see Ministers and officials and one can see much more if one travels alone.

No matter how bad the situation is for Ethiopian men, it is much worse for Ethiopian women. I met a couple of people at the Ethiopian Parliament and encouraged them to establish an umbrella organisation for women's groups in the country. I gather this has happened. Many women in Ethiopia are illiterate so they cannot get information except by word of mouth. That must be done via the radio, over which there is considerable control, or through the various women's organisations.

I asked Ms Pauline Conway, Ireland Aid's representative in Ethiopia, if Ireland Aid would try to encourage this group and provide it with financial aid. I am sure she has done that. I also contacted the women doctors in Ethiopia, of whom there are only approximately 200. I suggested to a doctor involved in ophthalmology in Addis Ababa and a doctor involved in family planning in the Department of Health that they try to establish a medical women's group. As a doctor I have been a member of the International Medical Women's Forum and we were able to do a considerable amount in terms of getting money to non-governmental organisations. This would help in spreading the various messages. Do you consider that we should encourage Ireland Aid to support such groups and would it be useful for the kind of projects you are suggesting?

Mr. Andrews, MEP

Given the number of different languages and dialects, what kind of programme would you establish to deal with primary education, including reading, writing and arithmetic? If the local people can read and write, even if it is only a small amount, they can share their experiences and can challenge the various leaders in their communities and ethnic groups. I am grateful to have heard what you have to say. My colleague, Patricia McKenna MEP, and I will no doubt raise the issue by way of a resolution at the joint assembly to be held in Rome next October. In the meantime we could co-sponsor a resolution for, and question, Commissioner Nielson. You will probably appreciate that such matters are not easy to get on the agenda. Your mission here has been most beneficial and I congratulate you, Chairman, and the sub-committee on taking the initiative to invite the members of the delegation.

Professor Berhane-Selassie

I thank the members of the sub-committee for raising interesting and useful questions. Sanctions work. The population of Ethiopia is approximately 65 million people while the annual per capita income is approximately €86. It is difficult to advise donors not to give aid because of the actions by the Ethiopian Government. However, the atrocities being committed are appalling. We try to provide education, health and other services at the same time they are dismantled.

Two regions in western Ethiopia have been given to Sudan while Eritrea has been allowed to secede. Each ethnic group wishes to be independent and to have the right to be autonomous up to cessation, as provided for by Article 32 of the Ethiopian Constitution. The dismantling process continues. It must be arrested by empowering the population. The best way to proceed is to make direct contact with the population and expose the Ethiopian Government. While sanctions work, reaching out directly to the population is an alternative that might work.

Senator Henry mentioned the women medical doctors. My friend was a colleague of the doctor she referred to who is involved in ophthalmology in Addis Ababa nonetheless, she drew up the list of the professors to be dismissed. She is an interesting woman. Why is it that all these key personalities are from only the one ethnic group? I am sorry to have to point that out, but it is the reality. At the time the Senator was encouraging the people to which she referred to set up a women's umbrella organisation and a women doctors' group, one of the few radiologists was dismissed while one of only two nephrologists was threatened with dismissal. They are from the wrong ethnic group.

We need to distinguish between the Government and the people of Ethiopia. The Ethiopian Government has its cadres in key positions and whenever officials visit, even in private capacities, it is very difficult to find the rest of the population. The screening is very high. I left the country in October 1993 because I could not even walk freely in the streets. I was being followed and I became neurotic. I had to leave and travelled to America, a country to which I had sworn in 1982 never to return.

There must be a way of reaching out to the people of Ethiopia. That is my suggestion. It is what the ENC is trying to do. We may be foolhardy, but we are cautious and we know what we are doing. We are reaching out to the youthful population. We have networks. We have operated underground, but no longer. Our membership in the rural areas is approximately 10,000. We can only count it in the districts with the largest membership.

Education can be done in a different way. While they have taken away the formal school system from the majority of the youth, perhaps there is an informal way of educating them. That is what we are trying to do; attach them to the environment and to other issues and get them to be constructive about themselves and have some dignity instead of just hanging around.

Trafficking is widespread. It is not done through European traffickers. If there are any traffickers from Europe, we have not heard of them. The traffickers are actually local people. They developed the art in the early 1980swhen they were fighting guerrillas and wereafraid.

We heard about it in London. A group of women got together and put in applications for organisations, including one called Anti-Slavery Society. The response we got was that we would not be able to do research in the Middle East in Arabia because we did not know Arabic. So we just used our own money and sent out a man, one of our colleagues, to do research. He found out that trafficking was going on. It was being conducted by the guerrillas on the Red Sea coast. The Tigré People's Liberation Front, TPLF, the Eritrean Liberation Front, ELF, and the Eritrean People's Liberation Front, EPLF, were involved in trafficking on a small scale under the very noses of the international community.

Mr. Esmonde

It is very deep rooted in the present structures.

Professor Berhane-Selassie

It is very deep rooted in the present structures. I forgot to say that one of my other sisters, a general practitioner, is now in Nairobi because she also was forced to leave. We had to take her to Nairobi and she is now working for Medicins sans Frontieres. She and I decided we must find who is doing this trafficking in Nairobi while we were visiting Peter, who was working there.

We put on shawls, camouflaged ourselves and went around. We identified one person who was engaged in it. My sister said that she had about ten young women to bring out and asked could they help. He said, "Yes, what about you? You are so pretty and a doctor. You will fetch $500 per day. I can take you to Europe." He told us that he and a government minister co-ordinate this trafficking. The local units of administration charge the family of each young women a fee, when she reaches Nairobi they charge another fee and then they move on from there.

Mr. Esmonde

They make lots of promises. The women end up in Lebanon, Dubai and other places. In the case of Beirut, Lebanon, there was evidence that one minister in that country was also involved.

Professor Berhane-Selassie

But Beirut had women who were interested in the care of trafficked women and they exposed it. In Bahrain there was some exposure. In Saudi Arabia there was no exposure. In the rest of the Middle East there has been no exposure at all. In Saudi Arabia it is difficult because they consider the east part of Africa as the traditional home of slaves and concubines and they have simply taken that outlook. There are complications with history, with corruption and with local involvement in trafficking.

Thank you for the fine presentation which was enormously beneficial and informative. I also thank Mr. Esmonde for his interventions and constructive contributions. It has been pointed out to us by our colleague, Deputy Wallace, who unfortunately had to leave, that the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs is looking at the broader Ethiopian picture. Perhaps the best way for the sub-committee to move the issue forward would be for us to communicate to the joint committee the business of this morning's meeting, transmit your views, circulate your script and let the joint committee know the observations, interest and concern of our members. Is that agreed? Agreed. It would help ensure that your concerns are kept to the fore as far as the workings of the joint committee are concerned. As Deputy Wallace indicated, the joint committee is looking closely at the broader Ethiopian project and it is important that the issues raised by you are forced onto that agenda. By ensuring that the business of this meeting is passed on to the joint committee, it will help keep the focus on it.

I thank you for attending and for the presentation. It certainly has helped us to see the work which needs to be done. The ENC will play a big role in the ongoing development of the changes which are necessary in Ethiopia. If we feel the need to communicate with you again in future, we will certainly do so.

I wish to inform the committee that we do not have other requests from lobby groups for presentations in the near future and I propose that we adjourn until after the summer recess. Is that agreed? Agreed.

The joint committee adjourned at 1.20 p.m.sine die.
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