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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS debate -
Tuesday, 27 Sep 2005

Faroe Islands Parliamentary Delegation: Presentation.

I warmly welcome the members of the Parliamentary Committee on Foreign Affairs from the Faroe Islands: Mr. Johan Dahl, Chairman; Mr. Óli Breckmann, Vice Chairman; Mr. John Johannessen; Mr. Kristian Magnussen; Mr. Hergeir Nielsen, and Mr. Jenis av Rana. They are accompanied by the members of the Parliamentary Committee on Fisheries and Industry: Mr. Alfred Olsen, Vice Chairman; Mr. Tórbjørn Jacobsen, and Ms Heidi Petersen. I welcome all of them to Dublin. We know that they are interested in two things only — fisheries and football — and are delighted to have the opportunity to meet them. They have come to the right place because Ireland is an island and fisheries are very important to us. The Faroe Islands stayed out of the European Union, which was a wise move with respect to the fishing industry. We joined and have been battling ever since, trying to get others to adopt conservation measures, as we have been willing to do.

This may be the first time we have hosted a delegation from the Logting. I am interested in hearing the views of the delegation on how the new legislation on home rule is working and whether the new competencies include any foreign affairs aspect. I understand the Faroese economy is very dependent on earnings from fisheries and that the current EU-Faroe Islands fish quota arrangements are working well. Our bilateral trade is quite limited and also subject to fluctuations. Has the delegation been able to identify any Irish products or services which the Faroese might be interested in buying? We are very keen to relate to the Faroes Islands and know that tourism is an area the delegation is keen to develop.

The delegation should feel at home in Dublin as it is a Viking city, although I have to inform it that we won the last battle in Clontarf in 1014. In fact, it is the last battle we won anywhere as we are not a bellicose people, although we have had rebellions. We have had close relations with peoples of Viking origin for many centuries. I hope the delegation has an interesting and productive time in Ireland and that its members find a warm reception and enjoy their time here.

Mr. Johan Dahl

I thank the Chairman for his warm welcome. We have had a few very good days in Dublin and it has been an interesting visit so far. We have had a number of interesting meetings. Yesterday we met the former Prime Minister, Mr. FitzGerald, as well the former director of the Central Bank, Mr. O'Connell. We also met Mr. Seán Gorman of the IDA.

With a population of 48,000 inhabitants, our country is very small when compared to Ireland. Fisheries are the main industry. We aim to diversify our industry and we are putting together a strategy to change from an economy based on income from fisheries to one where there are other businesses on the island. On that basis, we have been looking at Ireland because of its major growth and the development of many new businesses; we would like to know how that was achieved. We hope that after this visit we will know much more about the Celtic tiger than we knew before we left the Faroe Islands and that we can adopt some ideas and policies.

The Faroese fishing days system works quite well. It was initiated in 1996-97 and is based on every group of fishing vessels having a certain number of fishing days. Small boats, lining vessels and trawlers have certain numbers and all groups fish on a limited number of days. When those days are finished, they must stop fishing. They can, however, swap and sell days between vessels within the group. This is a self-regulating system that maintains our fishing grounds well.

We have bilateral agreements with many countries and the EU. We also have agreements with Iceland and Russia on fisheries. Our tonnage of ground fish per year is 110,000 tonnes and we survive on that. Other than that, there are trawlers in the Barents Sea catching 15,000 tonnes of cod, haddock and flat fish. The shrimp fleet is currently struggling due to low prices and high oil prices.

The home rule government established in 1948 has worked well for Faroese society. We have been able to build a modern infrastructure and educational system, together with Denmark, that has been good for our country and our people. There are other issues — there are unionists who would like to stay together with Denmark and republicans who want sovereign independence. At present, there is a 60:40 split between the two factions. From 1998 until 2003, the government worked for sovereignty but it did not succeed and at present the government consists of the Social Democrat Party, the conservative People's Party and the unionist Liberal Party.

In the last 15 years we have put a lot of effort into developing the tourism industry in the Faroe Islands and it now makes up 8% of GDP. Culturally, we have marketed some of our young musicians and they are doing well in the United States and Iceland. We will give the Chairman a CD made by one of them. We could learn much from Ireland in regard to tourism and cultural life. For example, many Irish groups are internationally successful and we might be able to adopt some Irish ideas for promoting musicians.

Does anyone wish to add any comments before the members address the delegation?

Mr. Óli Breckmann

I wish to support our chairman's comments. We are here to find out if there are any specific economic arrangements which may be implemented in the Faroes in order to continue the growth we have enjoyed in the past two centuries. We mentioned that our population grew sevenfold in the period when the Irish population was halved, even though the odds would seem to be against us because of our geographic position. We entered the doldrums recently because our resources are too limited and it is difficult to get out of the groove of being an exclusively fishery-based economy.

That is why we wish to see how Ireland worked the Celtic miracle in terms of its changed tax regime, industrial policy and fostering small industries, even high-tech developments. Although Ireland is a small country in the EU context, comprising only 1% of the EU population, we are minuscule by comparison. Our population is only one-hundredth of the Irish population and the same applies to GDP. These may be the wrong parallels to draw but we feel we can learn a great deal from the Irish example.

We are keen to see how Ireland suddenly decided to change its economic system and start its unbroken process of development after entry into the EU, and particularly since 1990. If we could copy some of Ireland's successful ideas we too would be happy for some time to come at least. We thank the committee for its hospitality and for welcoming us into this historic Parliament.

Allow me to introduce the members of the committee. Deputy Tony Dempsey comes from Wexford in the south-east corner of Ireland — the name derives from the Viking name, "Weiss Fjord". Deputy Pat Carey comes from a densely populated area on the north side of Dublin. Senator Paschal Mooney comes from close to the Border with Northern Ireland, in an area of the midlands and north. Senator Terry Leyden comes from a similar area in the northern part of the country.

Deputy Tony Gregory, an Independent Member of our Parliament, is based in the centre of Dublin city. The other members of the committee are members of the Fianna Fáil Party. I come from the north east of Dublin, close to the site of the Battle of Clontarf where the Irish overcame the Vikings.

I welcome the delegation whom we are very pleased to see here. Our Chairman is a very modest man. One of the things he did not say to the delegation is that he is a former Minister for the Marine and Natural Resources. He will be able to elaborate extensively on Ireland's fisheries policies down the years.

My constituency is in Dublin and one little river runs through it, but beyond that I have no involvement in the fisheries area. However, I am chairman of the British-Irish Interparliamentary Body which is linked to the Nordic Council. One of the issues facing us is the drift net fishing of salmon and other fish, and I wonder if that is an issue for the delegation.

The members asked if we could supply any recipe for economic success. I tell all the many delegations who come before us that Ireland's success took a long time and a great deal of effort. I trace it back to the investment made by governments in education at a time when Ireland was quite poor. This investment initially made post-primary education free throughout the country for those aged between 12 and 18. The decision to make the investment was taken by a radical Minister for Education and it is said that he made it without consulting the Prime Minister. We do not know if that is true, but I do not think so.

The other important area with regard to Ireland's growth as a successful economy has been the development of social partnership. Such development was necessary because of the severe difficulties caused by high unemployment levels averaging around 20 per cent, with inflation at a similar level. In part of my constituency, unemployment was at one stage running at about 60 per cent. A great number of days were lost through strikes and industrial unrest. Accordingly, the Government of the day, led by a member of the Fianna Fáil Party, and with deep involvement by the present Taoiseach, Deputy Bertie Ahern, worked on a series of initiatives bringing together trade unions, management, farming groups and fisheries organisations, initially to encourage wage moderation in order to reduce inflation.

That process has evolved and developed. Initiatives taken to reduce child poverty, promote social inclusion, develop our housing programme and our industrial policy, all on a consensus basis, have probably been the main factor behind Ireland's development. As a result we have had successful inward investment, a great deal of it from the United States.

As an economy, Ireland has progressed from being one where the majority of people worked in the public sector — many of them working directly for the State — to one where 63 per cent of all jobs created in the past five or six years have been in the services sector. We have been very successful both in the intellectual and the services area. We have come from a situation involving a great deal of emigration, when at one time virtually every graduate from an Irish university emigrated and got work in Silicon Valley and elsewhere, to the stage where we now have about 40,000 Irish people returning annually. We also have up to 70,000 immigrants from the new EU member states and from outside the EU area to fill available jobs.

All of that indicates something of the scale of our success. Our membership of the EU has been hugely beneficial in promoting the development of our infrastructure by providing a vastly increased market for our products which was not previously there. We welcomed, probably more than most, the enlargement of the European Union last year, in that our customer base is now, in our terms, enormous. We are benefitting greatly from that.

Are the Faroe Islands involved in the Nordic Council? If so, what is the nature of their involvement? Among others, Senator Mooney and I have an association with the British-Irish Interparliamentary Body which has forged tenuous links with the Nordic Council, which we are exploring ways to improve. The delegates may be able to offer some insights. I hope to travel to Reykjavik in late October or early November to attend the council's next meeting.

I welcome the parliamentary delegation. I have never had the honour of meeting a group from the Faroe Islands, a small but progressive country. The council and parliament are broadly based, being made up of different professions and both younger and more mature members. The Faroe Islands have great potential, besides fisheries and tourism, and are moving in the right direction. I notice that philately is an interest and that the islands have their own currency.

Do the Faroe Islands have a right to observe the proceedings of the Council of Europe, or are they a full member? Might this be a further step in the direction being taken? I know there is observer status and that smaller countries such as the Vatican City are full members. While the Faroe Islands are linked to Denmark, it seems they are moving towards self-determination, although it is very difficult for 47,000 people to survive without the support of a larger country such as Denmark. I commend the Danes for granting self-determination. There are also two members from the islands in the Danish Parliament.

It is tremendous for the delegates' country that they are able to travel abroad, particularly to see the economic success of Ireland and how we have developed in recent years. What we have achieved the Faroe Islands can achieve too, and the delegates' visit to Ireland is worthwhile. I hope they will have the opportunity to visit such towns as Killybegs which is going through a very tough time owing to the state of our fisheries, for which EU quotas are a major difficulty. The town is almost wholly dependent on fisheries in the same way as the Faroe Islands. Have the delegtes had a chance to visit that part of the world?

I am pleased the delegation is here. Those delegates of a sporting bent will know that Ireland and the Faroe Islands are part of the same World Cup qualifying group, and while we were very happy to take the points from the two games, both here and in the Faroe Islands, I am trying to remember what games the Faroe Islands have left to play and whether they can influence the outcome of the group as Ireland is now in a very difficult situation. If they can do nothing else, perhaps they might give us some reassurance that the islands might rise above their normal efforts in the interests of good bilateral relations with Ireland. I have a feeling they might have to meet Switzerland yet, although I am not sure. We were all praying and hoping in the recent game against France that they would somehow put all 11 team members behind the ball and prevent the French from scoring. They did their best and in the circumstances 3-0 was a good result. We have come from that, too.

Be that as it may, I hope I have given the delegates some idea of what most people in Ireland would know about the Faroe Islands. The newspapers have heavily promoted the story, and sport is important in Ireland. One of the more amusing anecdotes regarding the recent match in the Faroe Islands was that, owing to the fog that tends to descend on Tórshavn regularly, a aeroplane carrying Irish supporters got as far as circling the airport and had a lovely view of the capital through the mist before having to return to Dublin without their getting to see the match.

The delegates might explain if there is a specific purpose to their visit, since they are obviously representative of a wide variety of political opinion in the Faroe Islands, notwithstanding the fact that most are involved in fisheries. I notice the representatives of our opposite numbers on the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs. They will also be aware that, surprisingly for an island nation, the Irish have traditionally not been very good consumers of fish. This is something the Government has attempted to address and was one of the major promotions under the then Minister for the Marine and Natural Resources, Deputy Michael Woods. In light of the attempt to increase consumption of fish, it is ironic that overfishing is the biggest single problem facing us. Cod is particularly popular as a white fish food. I am not familiar with blue whiting, the fish the delegation's industry generates. We are increasingly exposed to a wider species of fish to make up the gap as cod is particularly under threat. Despite our status as an island nation, and in contrast to the Faroe Islands, only 1% of our GDP is derived from fishing.

In support of Senator Leyden's point, in the areas in which the fishing economy is present it is vital to the continuing viability of the community. It may not seem important in respect of macro economics but in micro economic terms it is important. The next county to mine is Donegal, which is familiar to some fishermen, and my wife comes from Castletownbere in south-west Cork. It is one of the largest deep-sea harbours in Europe where great emphasis is placed on the white fish fleet. There is a great deal of local employment in fish processing in that area.

What are the views of the delegation in respect of overstocking, quotas and drift netting? Ireland is one of the few countries in Europe that maintains drift netting for salmon fishing and this is a major area of contention. In respect of economic diversification it seems the delegation is seeking alternative income for the Exchequer as a result of stock depletion and the variable nature of the fishing industry.

The delegation now has a broad view of how Ireland has arrived at its present state but it faces major competition. Many labour intensive industries, including those in service industries, are being lost to low cost countries. If there is a lesson to be learned it is that the competitive edge must be maintained. Our prosperity has brought great benefits but the main buzzword in economic and political circles is competitiveness. We are losing jobs in key areas and we have had to rebalance our economic policy to attract high tech jobs or jobs in the pharmaceutical industry, or to create jobs in indigenous industries.

I support the points made by the Deputy Pat Carey. I was privileged to be part of a committee of the British-Irish Interparliamentary Body that explored and advanced closer links with the Nordic Council. We visited Copenhagen, Helsinki and Oslo for that purpose. The Nordic Council enjoys observer status at the British-Irish Interparliamentary Body and we would like to strengthen those ties.

There are areas of common interest, not least the model of the Nordic Council, which is a benchmark for our evolving relationship with Britain. There is a strong ministerial and legislative dimension to the Nordic Council and this operates within the common area. As yet this is not the case with Britain and Ireland but in the context of the peace process, of which the delegation is aware, it is hoped the east-west relationship will develop as north-south relations develop. As a result of our shared heritage and interest, as is the case with the Faroe Islands and other Scandinavian countries, we can collectively advance issues of common concern. As we are all in northern Europe I am keen to hear if the delegation has any views in that regard, particularly on legislation. Does the delegation see it as more of a benefit to identify common interests between Ireland and the Faroe Islands through the Nordic Council mechanism?

On the general question, the delegation mentioned many elements of what we did over the years. I have been a Member of Dáil Éireann since 1977 and I was involved in the development of the Celtic Tiger. One of the most important elements arose from the fact that within the State people constantly criticised one another. Farmers criticised business people who criticised trade unions who criticised both other groups, and everyone criticised the Government. We are good at criticising ourselves. That happened continually and we went around in circles until we formed the social partnership, which brought the four pillars, the Government, trade unions, business people and farmers, around a big square table. Another pillar made up of people involved in community development was later added.

Those groups came together and decided it was pointless to fight continually over wages. They decided to see what could be achieved by putting everything on the table, showing all the cards they held and listening to other ideas. As a result the Government was required to state that a certain amount of the wealth and growth created must go to older people and people with disabilities, and a certain amount was put towards research and development for the future and investing in educational facilities. Industry and business sought grants to develop new industry and farmers had many requirements, as would Faroese fishermen.

We worked on everything that was put on the table and developed a plan which was extremely detailed and included instructions on what to do, how it was to be done and who would be involved. It was not merely a macro plan. It included all the micro-elements which hold the key to making developments in small industries and businesses. Social partnership and education were vital and formed the two major elements. Prior to social partnership we had a good education system but all of those educated were for export and one finds they built businesses in America and all over the world. An estimated 74 million people of Irish origin live outside Ireland, in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, America and Europe. The largest amount is approximately 44 million in the United States. The Famine had a major impact on this country and that had been the tradition since then.

In 1966 when the then Minister for Education made a special drive with regard to second level education he did not have much money but he made a start which had to be continued. It was done on a slim budget. The leaving certificate examination is sat by students aged approximately 18 years. In 1987 when we initiated the system of programmes for development, we invested heavily in further education, not merely in university education but also in the two-year post-leaving certificate courses chosen by many people who do not attend university. Approximately 15% of those who complete those courses continue to university.

We moved to a broader spectrum of educational provision. We also moved away from the old idea of universities as places where people were there to be consulted and considered to be the experts. We encouraged the universities to become much more involved with industry, government and business and to engage in planning. In turn, the universities sought more funding for research, in which we have invested a great deal recently. In tourism, for example, we can now bring together the views of many people involved in the industry, not just those with an interest at university level. The same applies to music, in respect of which we can examine the scope and potential to expand the market.

Having access to the European Union is another major advantage enjoyed by this country. I understand the Faroe Islands have a free trade agreement with the European Union. Before Ireland joined, it was very much out on its own, an island with a big brother beside it, namely, the United Kingdom, which forced us to supply agricultural produce at very low cost. We were very dependent on agriculture and could not get ourselves out of that situation. However, when we joined the European Union, we established a minimum level for agricultural prices, which provided stability. This, in turn, meant that people could move from the land in a more organised fashion because there were other opportunities available which EU membership gave us time to develop. All of these factors came together simultaneously.

Members of the delegation should examine what has been done in Ireland. They should look at the tax incentives offered and the approach Ireland adopted. We tried to secure development with a social balance, an aspect in which I was very much involved when Minister in the former Department of Social Welfare in five Governments. I also served in the Department of Agriculture and Food and the former Department of the Marine.

The Irish case provides many ideas for development but it is for the people of the Faroe Islands to decide on the strategy to be adopted. As Deputy Carey stressed, education is crucial. While social partnership was the most important element of our development, the next most important driving force was the education system. I was one of the few graduates who did not emigrate. I stayed at home and tried to work here——

Fortunately for the country.

I became involved in agricultural research full-time in 1959. Research was and continues to be important.

I note the population of the Faroe Islands has grown slightly but it is not clear whether emigration presents a problem. I am sure that when the young people of the islands graduate from university, they travel to America and other places. The challenge is to get them to make an effort to develop the Faroe Islands. That is a problem we had——

As an indication of your maturity, Chairman, Mr. John Johannsen was born in the year you entered the Irish Parliament.

That was in 1977.

I simply wanted to put matters in context.

It is about self-belief and finding the options that will work best. All of them will not work, of course, but some will bear fruit.

People in Ireland would be happy to co-operate with and help the Faroe Islands in any way they can. Access to a decent market, a good education system and systematic planning for the future are crucial. Rather than dismantle the fishing industry, it is possible to diversify. Obviously, the delegates are healthy and demonstrate that the Faroe Islands can produce good people. There is the potential for their development. Ireland's population has increased recently. However, there is a lot of under-utilised space. I am sure the situation is similar in the Faroe Islands.

This has been a very pleasant meeting. I would welcome any final comments from the delegation.

Mr. Dahl

A number of our young people have moved abroad to pursue an education, which creates problems similar to those previously encountered in Ireland. Emigrants seek jobs in other countries because we have been unable to create appropriate employment opportunities in the Faroe Islands. It is of concern to us that the majority of those who return are employed in the public sector. They should enter business instead to create more value for the country.

Social partnership is the correct approach for Ireland to adopt. There are annual struggles with trade unions in wage negotiations. Strikes occur at least every second year and have a negative impact on industry. The Faroe Islands might consider developing a social partnership process to avoid such difficulties in the future.

The issue of wage moderation arose. In the past eight years wages in the Faroe Islands have increased drastically. The minimum wage for a labourer is Dkr 120, equivalent to €15 per hour.

Is that the minimum wage?

Mr. Dahl

Yes, including a holiday entitlement of 20%. For that reason, our competitiveness lags. Our remoteness makes imports expensive.

The European Union, our main market, buys approximately 90% of our fish exports. However, our free trade agreement with it has its limitations. For example, we must pay a figure of 12% to 15% on shrimp exports above a certain tonnage limit.

Is there any debate on whether the Faroe Islands should consider joining the European Union?

Mr. Dahl

The biggest problem is posed by EU fishery policy. We would be dead if we were to adopt it. However, there may be other advantages in EU membership. The major hurdle is whether we should join as part of Denmark or as a sovereign state.

We can relate to that.

Mr. Dahl

We signed a pan-European accommodation agreement with the European Union which we hope to ratify by the end of the year. It will give us a number of advantages in terms of fish imports from Norway and Iceland.

The Faroe Islands do not have a problem with fish stocks as we have organised our fishing system in such a way so as to avoid over-fishing. The dispute among the EU, Norway and other countries over pelagic fish such as mackerel and herring raises a problem because the EU and Norwegian fleets are heavy and catch a huge amount of blue whiting, which are not yet the subject of a quota.

Do they come over from the Bay of Biscay?

Mr. Dahl

They travel from the west of Ireland up to the Faroe Islands. It creates difficulties for us and if we do not find a solution quickly we will have problems with that part of the fleet. In the past I did a lot of business in Ireland, both in Killybegs and Castletownbere. I know a lot about those areas which I presume are struggling now because of a lack of employment.

A Government initiative in the form of a buy-out is biting hard in that area.

Mr. Dahl

We do not carry out salmon drift netting in the Faroe Islands. We fished for salmon in the 1980s with line vessels but we sold the quota to Iceland which it uses for a leisure business, where rich Americans and Irish visit to catch salmon in the rivers.

What are the arguments against drift netting?

Mr. Dahl

We never drift netted. We only used line vessels. I will allow Mr. Óli Breckmann to talk about the Nordic Council as he is a member.

Mr. Breckmann

The Faroes are a member of the Nordic Council as a semi-autonomous area on a par with Greenland and the Aaland Islands. The Helsinki agreement, which is the constitution of the Nordic Council, does not allow full members other than the five independent states. That matter has been raised again after our parliament unanimously decided to make an application for full membership, which is being processed at the moment but has not been decided. We hope for more freedom in that forum than we have had in the past. We have just concluded an agreement with Denmark to increase our degree of autonomy in the sphere of international relations. To the extent that we can act on our own, independently of Denmark, we will gain parallel status in the Nordic Council. The Norwegians are rather sceptical of such full membership, as are the Finns as they will have problems with the Lapps in the North and with Aaland.

As you know from your own history, nationalism and the politics of independence and sovereignty are a witches' cauldron, especially if there is not sufficient public backing for the idea. We are split down the middle as to which way to go. During the past six or eight years many people have moved in the direction of more autonomy, provided the economy can sustain it as people do not want to sacrifice their standard of living. If we can get our economy moving again after the doldrums we have been in, I am sure that majority will increase and at a faster or slower pace we will move towards more autonomy or complete sovereignty. The reserves of fossil fuels in our subsoil would make a significant difference if discovered and exploited economically.

With regard to international relations, where our home rule allows us to be autonomous, we could have bilateral relations with a country such as Ireland, as well as meeting through the Nordic Council. We are not a full member, so our foreign policy must unfortunately still go through the foreign ministry in Denmark.

Has membership of the Nordic Council, albeit limited, been beneficial to the Faroe Islands?

Mr. Breckmann

Yes, it has been very useful.

In what way or in what areas has membership been beneficial?

Mr. Breckmann

The Nordic Council is a forum of ideas and personal relationships. Physically, the Faroe Islands get more from the council than is paid into it, especially with regard to activities centred around the Nordic House, which is a tremendous cultural asset. The council also works together on scientific matters such as climatology and marine biology. Many of these matters interconnect, and the nations on the council have much work in common.

We can only advise Ireland to promote its bilateral and multilateral relations with Britain and the EU countries. In terms of the European Union, we have an embassy in Brussels that is working with the Danish embassy there. We are attempting to approach the EU through membership of EFTA, although this is a route of several stages.

As Mr. Dahl stated so clearly, we fear the EU fisheries policy. It is the bane of every fishing industry, wherever it is in the community, and it comes as a result of the unholy union of marine biologists, bureaucrats and politicians who know too little about fishing. That is the death of any fishing industry, and the reason we shy away from it as if from the plague. That is why we still exist. We could have been visiting Ireland as Danish citizens living in Denmark if the country had joined in 1973. I am sure of that.

Would Mr. Dahl like to have the last word?

Mr. Dahl

With regard to the EU, the big question is if the Faroe Islands would gain more with membership than it would lose because of the EU fisheries policy. This has still not been answered. I thank the joint committee for its hospitality in meeting with us. It has been a pleasure to discuss these matters with it. I hope we can work well together in future to the advantage of both our countries.

I thank Mr. Dahl. The witnesses have stated the difficulties that they have experienced with unions and strike actions. We in Ireland had a similar situation before social partnership. The arrangement and circumstances in the Faroe Islands are different but some of the same ideas may apply. This was probably best illustrated by one of the leading trade unionists, who subsequently retired, and who had a story about his experience in a Sunday newspaper. He stated that he found it easy to be re-elected as the trade union leader before he went into social partnership as he could complain about various circumstances. However, when he became part of the social partnership, he had to think about how to write a press release and what he should say, as he was then part of the process. He had to find a new language. They found a new language and a much more profitable one from their own point of view and that of their children. The question was what would happen to the children. The problem was that because the children did so well they were earning more than their fathers and the fathers were not happy. The mothers also began to earn more than the fathers.

We are delighted to have had the opportunity to meet the delegation today and hope it will enjoy the remainder of its visit. We ask the delegation to take our best wishes back to the Faroe Islands. The delegation is aware of where we are for the future.

The joint committee adjourned at 4 p.m. until 18 October 2005.

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