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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS debate -
Tuesday, 19 Sep 2006

Latvian Parliamentary Delegation: Discussion.

Prior to commencing the discussion, I advise witnesses that while members of the committee enjoy absolute privilege in respect of utterances made in committee, witnesses do not enjoy absolute privilege. Accordingly, caution should be exercised particularly with regard to references of a personal nature. I am certain there will not be any such references today.

I welcome the delegation of members of the Latvian Foreign Affairs Committee to the meeting. We are joined by Ms Vaira Paegle, chairperson of the committee; Mr. Leopolds Ozolins, deputy chairperson; Mr. Igors Solovjovs, a member of the committee and secretary; Mr. Oskars Kastens, a member of the committee and chairman of the European affairs committee; and His Excellency Mr. Indulis Abelis, the Latvian ambassador, who is accompanied by Mr. Arturs Jefimovs, an adviser, and Ms Sintja Strikauska, an interpreter. You are all welcome. We thank you for taking the time to appear before the committee today at what must be a very busy time politically for you at home in Latvia, with elections due to take place in two weeks' time. The Deputies and Senators present realise what that can mean in practice. We are delighted to have you here and wish you all well in the forthcoming elections which, I might mention, are entirely on the list system in Latvia's case.

In recent years Ireland has become very familiar with Latvia, its citizens and its culture. Ireland and Latvia share some common characteristics and I note that 2006 marks the 15th anniversary of Latvia's independence from the Soviet Union. Ireland held the Presidency of the European Union in 2004 and presided over the accession of ten new member states when we officially welcomed Latvia and the other nine states as our new partners in Europe. It was really a joyous and great occasion and we are happy it took place in Ireland.

It is estimated that, since 2000, approximately 30,000 Latvian citizens have come to live and work in Ireland, making an important and valuable contribution to the economic and social fabric of this country. We would be interested to hear the views of the Latvian Foreign Affairs committee on, among the other topics for discussion, the experience of migrant Latvians in Ireland. I call on the Chairman, Ms Vaira Paegle, to make her opening statement and we can then engage in a discussion, with members from both sides joining in as they wish.

Ms Vaira Paegle

It is an honour for my colleagues and I to meet the committee at a historic time, as Latvia commemorates the 15th anniversary since the restoration of its independence after almost 50 years of Soviet occupation and proceeds with the renewal of diplomatic relations with Ireland, a country with which Latvia shares many common characteristics and interests.

For every new EU member and candidate country alike, Ireland - having perfectly mastered the art of maximizing the opportunities that EU membership provides - is the one success story they wish to emulate, the one country to which everyone wants to go, not to leave. If the trend continues, Ireland will soon need a ministry of Latvian affairs.

Lacking in natural resources, with the exception of ice-free ports and timber, Latvia has learned from the Irish experience that human resources are its most valued commodity. In our newly approved national development plan we have clearly stated our priorities, namely, education, innovations and competitiveness.

What brings us here is not only our mutual membership of the EU, but the fact that we, as small countries, need to pool our efforts to make ourselves felt in an ever more competitive and dangerous world. We share experiences that form the foundation of ever closer ties - an unwavering love of freedom, an independent spirit that hardships cannot extinguish, a love of music and cultural traditions, as well as historic ties with our closest neighbours that are, at times, complicated yet pragmatically essential.

Latvia has a small, but politically strong, émigré community, although it lacks the impact in sheer numbers of the Irish diaspora. Having spent most of my life in the United States, even now I am so conditioned that on 17 March I go to work in the Latvian Parliament wearing green.

Since becoming a member of the EU and NATO, one of the most frequently asked questions is whether Latvia needs its own foreign policy. The answer is a resounding "Yes" because national interests and national identity require sustained attention. Foreign policy formulation and implementation have become more complex since our accession to the EU. We not only need to co-ordinate our foreign policy initiatives bilaterally, but also within the confines of our membership in EU, NATO and other international organisations. We wish to learn from your considerable experience how best to balance our specific foreign policy interests with those of common EU initiatives.

For the next five years, Latvia has clearly defined its foreign policy goals: to become an equal partner with equal rights in an economically competitive EU; to support a sustained EU-transatlantic partnership; and to actively participate in democratic and economic transformation in our neighbourhood, namely, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Azerbaijan and Armenia. We are not satisfied to be just gatekeepers to preserve that which we have so far achieved, but also, poetically speaking, we wish to "extend" our borders by sharing our recent experiences in democracy-building and market-economy reforms with our neighbours.

Latvia has the most dynamic growth in the EU and it is predicted to have the highest rise in wages in the coming year of any country in the world. Taking into consideration our history as an occupied country, we still consider security, in the broadest sense of the word, our top priority. I characterise our approach or doctrine as security risk management. On the one hand we have chosen to become members of the EU and NATO and have developed a strong strategic partnership with the US, countries with which we share common interests and values while, on the other, we are developing pragmatic economic relations with countries whose value systems greatly contrast with our own. In other words, we do not place all our security eggs in one basket. Security risk management is why we have chosen to participate in peacekeeping missions in Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq and Georgia.

The NATO summit in Riga in November is affirmation of our considerable commitment to investment in security issues. For all of us, energy security is becoming the one major foreign policy concern that threatens to dislodge the international order on which we have come to depend. Both in the war on terror and the struggle for energy superiority to which is added the lethal ingredient of religious fundamentalism, there are already clearly defined winners and losers, the latter being innocent lives and civil liberties lost and the winners being oil producing nations for whom profits, not values, count. On this issue we need to combine our efforts to forge a common EU policy.

Within the EU, we also need to develop a common approach in our relations with Russia, a country with tremendous underdeveloped potential. We, as Russia's neighbours, want nothing more than a democratic and prosperous Russia. However, normalisation of relations can only occur if they are based on mutual respect between sovereign nations, non-interference in their internal affairs and consistency of relations not only bilaterally but also in international organisations. As it does not serve Russia's interest to be treated differently in respect of complying with internationally accepted standards of behaviours, it does not serve our mutual security interests that any one of Russia's neighbours receives differential treatment based on geopolitical expediency. The words "reconciliation" and "understanding" in Ireland's foreign policy strategic paper are still foreign when it comes to Russia's relations with its neighbours, primarily because of different interpretations of Second World War history.

With regard to the election of a new UN Secretary General, the three Baltic countries have nominated Latvia's President, Vaira Vike-Freiberga, for the position. We believe she is the best qualified candidate having proven herself internationally in respect of an unwavering commitment to peace as well as UN reform. We would truly be grateful for the committee's support for her candidacy.

Following the collapse of the USSR, a new world order emerged through democratic transformation. It seems that in the coming years unpredictability will be the order of the day in international relations. The only constant is solidarity and trust among nations with common values and principles. That is why I am convinced of the benefits of an ever closer partnership between Latvia and Ireland, especially at parliamentary level.

I thank committee members for giving us the opportunity to meet them. On 7 October, we will have a general election in Latvia. Nonetheless, I extend a cordial invitation to the committee to visit Latvia, regardless of the election outcome.

I thank Ms Paegle. Deputy Durkan, who represents Fine Gael, the largest Opposition party, will be first to ask questions.

Hope always springs eternal but, with the election approaching, one can never tell. I extend a warm welcome to the delegation. An exchange of views between parliamentarians is always good. I participated to a greater extent in such exchanges in a former incarnation. All concerned can gain tremendous benefits from such discussions. We should not overlook the importance to democracies of mutually beneficial parliamentary exchanges. I recognise the contribution of smaller countries like Ireland and Latvia, which can make greater contributions in the future. The importance of smaller countries is highlighted by their economic development and growth. They are making a significant economic input in our ever-changing world, particularly in the area of technology. We are told all the time that most smaller countries punch above their weight, to use a phrase I hate. Smaller countries have increased in importance, partly because one can get a diversity of views over a wider area in such countries. That is not normally the case in a larger country, where one gets a single point of view from a single Administration. The influence of smaller countries in debates on major issues is also increasing. Ireland has been quite influential in this regard over the last 50 or 60 years, almost since the foundation of the State. Ireland has exercised its influence in a positive, progressive and constructive way at United Nations level and previously at League of Nations level. It has worked in a manner that has been beneficial to all, rather than being divisive. Smaller countries can play a major role in this area.

I would like to give my personal view, rather than my party's view, on the future of the European Union. We all have to express our personal views from time to time. The enlargement of the EU has been beneficial and will continue to be beneficial. The Latvian delegation quite rightly pointed out that the Union cannot remain a gateway - it has to look beyond its borders. If it does not embrace those who live beyond its borders, such people might well become a disruptive influence. We would all be poorer as a result of that. I join Ms Paegle in expressing the hope that the EU can establish the necessary dialogue with its neighbours, including the countries which border Latvia, so that it can grow in stature and economic power in a manner that benefits all.

I would like to speak about the stability of the Union. The degree to which we proceed in the future should have regard to the extent to which we have managed to stabilise what exists at present. That is not a recipe for slowing down any process. It should be made clear to everyone that stability is hugely important in economic, political and democratic terms. Those who aspire to join the EU in the future should have a goal to work towards. That goal should be along the lines I have mentioned.

I would like to speak about the European Union's relationship with Russia. Given that 75% of the population of Russia lives in Europe and 25% lives outside Europe, a question will have to be posed at some time in the future. As Ms Paegle said, Russia has massive natural resources, many of which are untapped. It is of critical importance for all EU member states to maintain good working relationships with their Russian colleagues. The relationship between the EU and Russia should have two objectives - to foster better relations and to encourage the ongoing growth of democratic principles, which are hugely important.

I thank the delegation for coming to visit this committee. The members of the committee would love to visit Latvia. Some of us have been to Latvia and hope to do so again. We may not be able to talk frankly to our counterparts in Latvia until after the general election in this country. We may not be here at all after that election.

I welcome the delegation. Like Deputy Durkan, I had the pleasure of visiting Latvia, including Riga, prior to the country's accession to the European Union. I thoroughly enjoyed the visit and found it highly informative. As Ms Paegle indicated, a great number of her compatriots have chosen to live in Ireland. They are welcome and make a significant contribution to our thriving economy. At times I think most of the more than 20,000 Latvians in Ireland must live in my constituency because there are so many of them around.

I was interested to note from the briefing papers that only five Latvians avail of one-parent family payments under our very good social welfare system. As the delegation will be aware, the Chairman, Deputy Woods, is a former Minister for Social Welfare. He put all these programmes together. Despite suggestions by some commentators that visitors to Ireland are a drain on our economy, only 189 Latvians have applied for unemployment benefit. They are clearly hardworking people who make a contribution.

I ask the delegation to comment on energy security. How does it envisage European energy interdependence developing for Latvia? While it is a matter for Ireland to decide how this will develop here, how can a small, peripheral country with few energy resources, that is virtually dependent on the European grid, manage to guarantee energy security? With a Green Paper on energy due for publication here in the coming weeks, it will be interesting to see how the debate on resolving this question develops.

Small countries play a critical role in the life of the European Union. This emerged as an important issue when we were working on the draft constitution for Europe. I am aware that Latvia is a member of NATO. How does the delegation envisage the Common Foreign and Security Policy developing in the European Union? It is clear from the different approaches taken by some member states on the war on terror, with some leaning towards the American point of view while others lean towards another point of view, that this will pose challenges for a common and foreign and security policy.

My next question is framed more from the perspective of a teacher than a public representative. On our visit to Latvia we learned that the teaching of Russian and Latvian is a sensitive issue. Has this matter, which appeared to be one with potential for conflict, been resolved to the satisfaction of the minority groups most affected by it?

I am pleased the delegation has come before the joint committee. I extend my best wishes to those members of the group who are about to face an election because the same fate will fall on us in the next five to six months.

I join my colleagues in welcoming members of the Latvian Foreign Affairs Committee and thank them for their visit, which I hope we will be able to reciprocate. The history of Ireland proves there is no substitute for democratic independence. Occupying colonial forces tend to benefit themselves much more than the occupied country. This has been our history and I am sure the same applied in Latvia. I am also sure that, even in the 15 years in which Latvia's progress has been in its own hands, the country's circumstances have much improved.

The economic miracle in Ireland to which speakers have referred has been strongly grounded in education and the ability of the education system to embrace the needs of the economy as well as the needs of the community. I am engaged in my own small way in enterprise education and the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment launched a new programme on enterprise education recently in my county. Countries that have been colonised have an in-built belief that Jack can never be as good as his master. As a result many students feel they must work for someone else, be that the bank or the hospital, and we must change that philosophy. Thankfully that is working in Ireland and Irish entrepreneurs are now successful all over the world. In view of that, perhaps we could establish education exchange programmes between our two countries. It would be to our mutual benefit if Latvia examined our vocational education system while we learn about the education policies that exist in Latvia.

I also welcome the delegation. When former Deputy Des O'Malley was Chairman of this committee in 1999, we visited Latvia for discussions on the European Union. The Common Agricultural Policy was relevant at the time and Latvia, a small country similar to Ireland, set out the implications of the policy for its farmers. The other point raised at the time related to information technology. We have made a great deal of progress in this area, particularly in software exports. How is that industry faring in Latvia? Food production is also important in Latvia. How is that industry faring?

The Russian language will cost Latvia a huge amount, particularly in view of the Latvian people's rightful pride in their nationality. If that cost cannot be borne by the Latvian economy, should the European Union help? If necessary, it should.

Are there any preparatory courses for Latvians who wish to come to Ireland? Accidents on the roads, unfortunately, have resulted in young, hard working Latvian immigrants being sent home dead. Some preparation is necessary in this area. Could the Irish Government assist the Latvian Government in putting together courses on driving laws that may apply here that do not apply in Latvia?

Deputy Davern asked the question I wished to put about the level of preparedness of Latvian migrants for life in Ireland, particularly in road safety terms and drink driving.

I regret there has not been enough integration into the Irish community for migrant communities. I am from a rural area and I no longer know my own town; there seems to be many Polish, Latvian and Lithuanian workers coming here. There is very little integration done on our side but what preparation takes place on the other side?

In recent times Poland has sent upwards of 140,000 workers to Ireland. It is believed the Polish economy is beginning to suffer because of the movement of a large number of young people from Poland to Ireland. The Irish economy has benefited from this but there is an adverse spin-off for its Polish counterpart. Will the delegation comment on impact that the migration of 30,000 young Latvians to Ireland is having on the Latvian economy and employment there?

I endorse the hearty welcome given to the delegation and offer a céad míle fáilte - a hundred thousand welcomes - to our friends from Latvia. I am particularly interested in the impact the brain drain is having on the Latvian economy. Like Deputy Davern, I am a member of the Council of Europe and we have often met parliamentary colleagues from the Baltic states. They are not happy about the haemorrhage of talented and educated people from the Baltic states.

Of the three Baltic States, Latvia has the highest proportion of migrants to Ireland. We are attempting to establish a profile of these young people. Are they, like the Irish before them who travelled to America and England, coming here for the short or the long term? Is their travelling here a loss to the Latvian economy? There is a rather strange irony in that Latvia, because it is a low-cost country - is also being obliged to absorb immigrants from other eastern European countries. What is the delegation's prediction for the Latvian economy? Is it improving at an accelerated rate or is it a slow development? How does the delegation foresee the Latvian economy in five to ten years' time? Will it have developed to the point where it will be similar to the Irish economy now, with Latvian migrants returning home? Is this part of the Latvian Government's policy or just a hope?

I welcome the delegation. It is obvious that the Latvian Parliament operates a list system because, in light of next month's elections, I was of the opinion that our guests would not be able to attend this meeting. I am delighted the delegation was able to attend. I wish the chairperson of the group, Ms Vaira Paegle, continued success. Ms Paegle was a candidate for the Latvian presidency. If the current Latvian President becomes Secretary General of the United Nations, I hope a vacancy arises for the chairperson.

Ireland has a proud tradition with Latvia. It is acknowledged that we did not recognise the amalgamation of Latvia into the USSR in the 1940s. I have had very positive contact with young Latvian people in Ireland. They are making a major contribution to the Irish economy. They are also making a major contribution to the Latvian economy in returning over €300 million to it. This is similar to the Irish experience of immigration to Britain and elsewhere. I hope the delegation's visit to Ireland will be worthwhile and that its members will learn more about Ireland and the policies that have made it so successful. The investment in education in the 1960s to the 1980s has been a major contributor to the success of the Irish economy. It was a Fianna Fáil Government that introduced free education, which made an enormous contribution.

I agree with colleagues that young Latvian people must be aware of the rules and regulations relating to driving in Ireland. I hope the delegation will inform Latvians that they are welcome here. Our wish for them and other road-users is to ensure their safety in Ireland.

As Deputy Carey said, Latvians have a remarkable record of good, hard work in Ireland. He pointed out that only five of 30,000 Latvians had applied for lone-parent payments. As he said, we have introduced a system under which one may work while receiving the payment. If one works more, after a certain stage the payments begin to be reduced. The payment is designed to help people re-enter the workforce. The Deputy approved of the number awarded unemployment payments - 91. This shows the extent to which people are involved.

One figure with which we are familiar in Ireland is interesting. Emigrants' remittances were very important in the early days of the State. Approximately €300 million per annum is sent in remittances from Ireland to Latvia. Like the other figures, it is based on PPS numbers, which people receive when they arrive. The other matter of interest is that in May FÁS, our training body, launched the Latvian version of the Know Before You Go campaign which is aimed at informing Latvians who plan to move to Ireland of their rights and what they should do to make their transition easier. The launch received extensive press coverage and was seen as a genuine attempt to improve the lot of Latvians who had already decided to move to Ireland rather than encouraging them to do so. Senator Leyden mentioned the dangers of driving in Ireland; there have been some very serious accidents.

It would be interesting to hear about investment from outside Latvia. We know that the level of Irish investment has increased in the past year. Mr. Dermot Desmond, for instance, has bought a 33.1% share in the Rietumu Bank in Latvia.

It is headed by an Irishman.

We all learn something here. Cement Roadstone Holdings, CRH, acquired one ready-mix and three aggregate operations in Latvia as part of a larger deal. These are examples of Irish companies beginning to invest in the country. Latvia also exports to Ireland and the total has been growing.

Ms Paegle

We have a very positive trade balance.

Yes, it is very positive. Perhaps Ireland should try to catch up.

Ms Paegle

That was a substantive group of questions. I might go through them individually and then give my colleagues an opportunity to address anything I have missed or misinterpreted.

The top question concerned Latvian immigrants. I thank the Irish people for the gracious reception they have accorded them and their opening of doors and opportunities. There are two reasons for our visit, the first being to learn from the Irish experience, since there is no need to reinvent the wheel. It is easier to avoid making one's own mistakes if one can learn from another's success. The other reason is the very large number of Latvians in Ireland. Myths have developed around this phenomenon. We want to put to bed some of these myths and really learn by talking with these Latvians as regards the situation here. We learned, last night, that there are two groups involved. One group came before the Latvian accession to the EU. This comprised the people who had to get work permits and who came to Ireland more than five years ago and made their home here. They are seeking to preserve their Latvian identity here, essentially the Latvian emigré experience before the restoration of independence. Since accession to the EU another group has emerged which constitutes a huge onslaught. Members of the first group are better educated up to university level. They are furthering their situation here based on the family.

The situation is much easier for those who are coming now. It is a question of getting on an aeroplane and seeing if one can find a job. It is perhaps more difficult to inform members of this group about their rights and responsibilities. There are always rights but they must be aware that they have responsibilities too. Bad driving is a very serious problem in Latvia. Although I have a driver's licence since I was 16, I have never sat behind the wheel in Latvia. We need to implement serious driver education there. That is a concern we will take back to see how we may reach those individuals. That is the biggest challenge as regards those coming to Ireland and the preconditions for living here.

There are two sides of the coin to be considered as regards integration. One is the fact of coming here and the other concerns the question of how to become integrated in Irish society. This is a matter of concern for the Irish and for Latvians in the context of what happened to us after occupation - having to maintain one's national identity and character. Having been a refugee, an emigrant and then been repatriated, language is the main tool of integration. Unless one knows the language of the country one is residing in, integration will be pretty difficult, as one lives in two information spaces. If one lives in two information spaces, integration will never occur. That is an important issue.

The initial myth in Latvia was that individuals coming here were traitors who should stay at home. Initially no studies were done as to why they were leaving. Several studies are now being undertaken under the auspices of the country's President. The strategic analysis group has conducted very serious studies. Among the interesting conclusions is the fact that it is not just a question of money. It is a question of quality of life and the attitude of employers here towards employees, which is seen to be respectful, considerate and concerned. That is an eye-opener for employers in Latvia. The bad news is that there is a certain degree of brain drain. The intellectual brain drain has stopped. The current drain comprises lower level workers. The fact that they can come here and get work, with the attitude of employers towards them being kind and considerate is seen to be very important.

The flip side of the coin is positive because these events are placing immense pressure on employers in Latvia to change their habits and raise wages if they want to keep workers. I have mentioned that it is forecasted that Latvia will have the highest wage hike of any country in the world. Part of the reason for that is the migration of the workforce. The workers who left Estonia are already beginning to return. Although we do not have any real figures, it is estimated that 50% or more of the Latvian workers will return.

Mr. Oskars Kastens

It is a great pleasure to be here in the Irish Parliament. As Chairman of our European Affairs committee, I will try briefly to tell members how the situation in our country has changed since it became a member of the European Union. Nobody expected that changes would be so quick and so deep when we joined. Nobody expected that such a large wave of migration would occur or that the Latvian economy would develop so rapidly. We expect a growth rate of approximately 12% this year. Some economists say that this is dangerous and that the economy is overheating, but exports are also growing and the situation is more or less balanced at the moment. At the same, we have the highest rate of inflation in the European Union and if the Latvian Government does not tackle this issue, it could be a serious threat to long-term prosperity.

Latvia is part of the EU's eastern border with Russia and Belarus. The latter is considered the last dictatorship in Europe, so we are also concerned with regarding to what is happening in our neighbouring countries. We would prefer if the EU's neighbourhood policy were more unanimous and active. In recent years, I have visited countries such Ukraine, Moldova and the states of the Caucasus. These countries are interested in how we transformed our legislation to meet the criteria of the acquis communautaire and they see the EU as a kind of ideal. If the EU decides to shut its doors and prevent enlargement after the accession of Romania, Bulgaria and also Croatia, that will be very bad for these other countries. It will be very difficult for them to carry out reforms internally. We also realise that the general public in the EU is not happy with what is going on regarding enlargement. We are very grateful to Ireland and to other countries that opened their labour markets for those who were looking for a better life in western Europe. However, we will soon have a shortage in the labour force in Latvia. If we do not change our immigration policy, I am concerned that our economy will lose its impetus in a few years and will begin to slow down.

We must learn from Ireland in this respect. Before I arrived here, I read many articles about the Irish example and in 1999 Ireland launched a successful campaign aimed at bringing back Irish people living abroad. We too must launch such a campaign, not only in Ireland but in the United Kingdom and other countries. Thankfully, Latvian communities are mostly found in only a small number of countries, of which the United Kingdom and Ireland are the most significant. It would be far more difficult if we had to try to bring people back from the United States or Australia, huge countries that are much further away.

We would be grateful if, in the future, the Irish Government might offer some support to our Latvian compatriots, perhaps through the office of a Minister of State with responsibility for minorities. We are aware they are trying to organise themselves; two Latvian NGOs are already promoting unity and are concerned with such issues as education, culture and the importance of preserving ethnic roots. This year, for the first time, our national budget includes a lump sum of €0.5 million to support Latvians living abroad. I recognise it is not a large amount but we must start from scratch in this regard. I have been in contact with Latvians who are active in their communities here and have tried to secure some money for them from the Latvian budget. It would be helpful to have the prospect of some future support from the Irish authorities for when the Latvian community is stronger and seeks help in preserving its national identity.

Members asked about the impact on the Latvian economy of the brain drain that arises when so many people leave the country. I am committed to the necessity of changing our emigration policy, which is very conservative. Our labour market, for instance, is closed to new commerce from other countries, including the neighbouring states of Ukraine and Russia. Most of the 40,000 Latvians who live in the latter state emigrated 60 to 100 years ago. These Latvians live in small communities in Siberia and we must devise a programme to encourage them to return to their ethnic homeland.

The protests that took place at Russian schools are over. A wave of such protests took place when new quotas were introduced for Russian schools which meant that students must initially take some 40% of their lessons in Latvian. This was a problem of communication in that the Government did not do enough to explain the essence of the reform. Now, however, all the Russian schools are bilingual and nobody is complaining that their rights are being denied.

Some years ago, Latvia had the worst record in Europe in terms of road accidents. The Government responded swiftly to this problem by introducing new measures, such as the inclusion in the criminal code, for the first time, of imprisonment as a punishment for those driving under the influence of alcohol. I very much regret that Latvians have been guilty of this behaviour in Ireland. Perhaps more must be done to ensure they are informed they will end up in prison or face large fines if they drive under the influence of alcohol.

Ms Paegle

As time is pressing, I shall make some final comments. While that was a complete response in terms of the issue regarding Latvians in Ireland, I wish to comment further regarding energy security. From Latvia's perspective, energy security pertains to both diversification and the securing of energy lines. As the Russo-German pipeline is of great concern in the Baltic, other options are under consideration to secure it. In terms of atomic energy, the three Baltic countries have come together to build a new plant in Lithuania. Moreover, Latvia has underground gas storage facilities, which is another issue under examination. However, apart from tying into European networks, the most important point is that such policies should be considered on an EU-wide basis, especially as they relate to energy producers and the creation of a situation in which energy is not used as a political tool. This is our basic position.

As for the NATO summit regarding its transformation, Latvia's position is that EU security should in no way conflict with the transatlantic security network. They should be in cohesion and not in conflict with each other. It is extremely important to note that Latvia is a confirmed transatlanticist.

Mr. Kastens has already answered the question on the language issue. We are doing everything possible to secure the Latvian language, which was threatened with extinction. Any country has the right to do so, especially in respect of an ancient language. Ireland is particularly aware of this point.

Questions were asked regarding Latvia's agricultural policy. Information technology and food production are the prospective areas for our economic development. Most importantly, we have learned from Ireland's experience. Finally, Latvia has a national development plan that invests a great deal of its resources into research, innovation and education as this is the key to sustained, rather than simply sporadic development.

I believe my time has elapsed.

May I make two brief interventions? One pertains to the delegation's response to members regarding road accidents. There is a perception in Ireland that the standards employed in Latvia, other Baltic states and Poland regarding the mechanical competency of cars is somewhat lax in comparison to this country. Anecdotal evidence suggests that a number of accidents that have taken place in Ireland have been due to technical or mechanical problems associated with cars driven by those from the newly-acceded states who brought them here.

Ms Paegle

Have they brought cars to Ireland?

Yes. This issue is under consideration in Ireland because it is becoming more significant.

Ms Paegle

We will also examine the issue.

The impression given was that the standards employed are higher here than in the aforementioned countries. I wanted to mention this point within the context of this discussion.

My final point relates to Ms Paegle's comment regarding Latvia's transatlanticism. There is a perception in Ireland that in terms of its foreign policy, Latvia has increasingly been drawn into the Scandinavian sphere. It may have a transatlantic outlook from an international perspective as far as NATO is concerned. However, there is a growing perception in Ireland, among those who are active in politics and who experience interrelationships across the European continent, that the Baltic states increasingly have been drawn into the Scandinavian sphere of influence in respect of decisions relating to many international issues. Have the delegates noticed this trend or it is correct?

Ms Paegle

First, as these countries border the Baltic Sea, extremely close co-operation exists between them. The chairs of the foreign affairs committees of what are known as the Nordic-Baltic-Eight, or NB8, meet on an annual basis. They even go to Washington to meet and to co-ordinate some policies, despite representing different countries. In a regional context, one always works with those countries which are closest. Security and risk management are foremost for a country such as Latvia, which has emerged from the Soviet Union, and many of its policy decisions are not based so much on its region as on its security concerns.

I am encouraged by this news. I was not referring to the voting pattern in the Eurovision Song Contest.

The delegation is to be complimented on its excellent ambassador to this country, His Excellency, Mr. Indulis Abelis, who has done so much for his country.

Ms Paegle

We are very proud of him.

The delegation's interpreter did not pick up my last comment. I was referring to the voting patterns in the Eurovision Song Contest. Ireland cannot expect votes from Latvia when the Swedes, Norwegians, Finns and Icelanders are involved.

As a DJ, Senator Mooney should know there is no accounting for taste.

The committee might remind FÁS to include driving in its ready to go programme if it has not already done so. I thank the delegation for its very informative presentation and discussion with the committee. I would like to stress the very important contribution of the growing and vibrant Latvian community in Ireland where it has been welcomed with open arms since Latvia's entry into the EU. The Latvian community will continue to be welcomed here. I look forward to the flourishing of this relationship in the years to come. It was a great pleasure to meet the delegation during its visit to Ireland and I hope it will find its visit useful and meaningful in the context of the political and economic situation in Latvia. We can exchange many things. I thank the delegation for inviting this committee to visit Latvia. We will consider such a visit as soon as possible. We wish the delegation a very successful outcome to the Latvian elections on 7 October 2006 and thank it and the Latvian ambassador to Ireland for appearing before us. As Deputy Davern noted, he has made himself very well known to everyone here and we welcome his assistance and co-operation.

The joint committee went into private session at 3.20 p.m. and adjourned at 4.20 p.m. sine die.
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