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JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS debate -
Wednesday, 19 Jan 2011

Human Rights Watch Report: Discussion

It is a great pleasure to welcome Mr. Ben Rawlence, author of the Human Rights Watch report, Development with Freedom - How Aid Underwrites Repression in Ethiopia. That country has been a priority country for Irish Aid since 1994. Funding in 2010 amounted to €35 million. Members of the committee have visited Ethiopia to assess at first hand the management and effectiveness of projects in receipt of Irish Aid funding. We have met President Meles Zenawi and discussed frankly with him our views on the importance of political freedom. We are, therefore, concerned about the allegations made in the report being discussed today that aid is underwriting political repression in Ethiopia.

Separately, I am aware that in November 2010 the BBC issued an apology following allegations it had made that aid moneys for famine relief in Ethiopia in the mid-1980s had been diverted by a rebel group to buy weapons. That case reminds us that there is a great responsibility on all of us to arrive at a balance between advocating a rigorous, transparent and objective evaluation of aid expenditure and ensuring there is not an unjustified erosion of public confidence in the aid programme based on inconclusive and, in the particular case mentioned, unfounded allegations. Members will have received a copy of Mr. Rawlence's report and a copy of a letter received from the Minister of State responsible for overseas development, Deputy Peter Power, in response to that report. I call on Mr. Rawlence to outline the main findings of the report. He might also refer to how his report has been received by donors. Following his remarks, we will take questions from members.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice, or ruling of the Chair, to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. By virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their evidence to this committee. If witnesses are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter and they continue to do so, they are entitled thereafter only to a qualified privilege in respect of their evidence. Witnesses are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given. They are asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise or make charges against any person or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable.

Mr. Ben Rawlence

I thank the members for inviting me, taking the time to listen to what we have to say and taking the report seriously, which some other Parliaments and donor countries have not done.

I will summarise briefly the main allegations in the report, after which I will mention the donor response by the Development Assistance Group in Addis Ababa, which has been the main conduit for the response of donor Governments to our criticisms. I will then draw attention to a letter of 16 December that we wrote to the Development Assistance Group about our concern that its response failed to address the allegations in the report.

Ethiopia is one of the world's largest recipients of development aid. It receives approximately $3 billion in funds annually. Ireland is by no means a major donor but it is one of the members of the Development Assistance Group. As the Chairman stated, Irish Aid allocated €35 million for programmes in Ethiopia in 2010. The problem we found with the programmes Irish Aid supports along with other donor agencies, through the World Bank and pooled funds alongside other donors, is twofold. On the one hand, the money is flowing through Government structures that are highly authoritarian, partisan and politicised, and used by the ruling party in a very aggressive way to shore up its hegemony, marginalise dissenters and, in many cases, jail and torture people who disagree with it. In particular, the regime uses all socio-economic means at its disposal to marginalise people who vote against it. That is the uncharitable characterisation of the Ethiopian regime as we understand it and as many other academics and NGOs have described it, including the International Crisis Group, for example, in its report entitled Ethiopia: Ethnic Federalism and its Discontents.

Into the very authoritarian structure is flowing money that is supposed to be administered by the regional and village-level governments for the benefit of Ethiopian citizens. One must consider the way in which this occurs and the reason it is of importance to donors who give money to Ethiopia. The money comes in at the top and goes down to the regional governments. It then enters five sectors under the protection of basic services, PBS, programme. These sectors are the agriculture, water, roads, health and education sectors. In several of those sectors, we found systematic discrimination in the administration of Government services and business. This results in the selective allocation of seeds, fertiliser and agricultural inputs; partisan and discriminative allocation of land at the expense of people who did not vote for the ruling party or support the Government; discrimination in schools against teachers who are members of trade unions or Opposition parties such that they do not get promoted or receive training, and sometimes lose their jobs; and the use of school facilities, time and staff funded under the programmes for the indoctrination of schoolchildren in the ruling party's ideology. All schoolchildren above the age of 15 are, for two weeks out of every term, given party-political training by members of the party in their district. That is the substance of the main allegations about Government services.

Irish Aid does not support all the programmes we cover in the report. The first programme supported is the PBS programme, a World Bank pooled funding project, and the second is the productive safety net programme, PSNP, which is a food-for-work programme. The latter comprises the second main area that Irish Aid supports and in respect of which we discovered problems. In every area we visited, people said the safety net programme was being used to target opponents of the regime, not just members of Opposition political parties but also dissenters. These include intellectuals or elders who did not toe the line in a particular village.

The safety net programme is administered in some areas by NGOs - particularly an Irish NGO and also several UK NGOs and USAID - and in some areas directly by the Government. In the case of the Government the money goes to the regional governments, which buy food that is distributed to the village governments. The village governments have a system whereby every five households is grouped into a cell, the leader of which is a member of the ruling party. It is a kind of Maoist phenomenon and it is informed by the ruling party's ideology of revolutionary democracy, which involves the mobilisation of the whole of society into a political effort. It is quite similar to China in some cases.

The cells recommend and vet families and households in respect of getting food aid. The problem is that the head of each cell is a member of the ruling party. We interviewed people in and outside the ruling party and people who are responsible for compiling lists of who should get food aid or who is entitled to participate in the food-for-work programme. Across the board, the message was the same, namely, that everybody knows how the system works and that one must have a party card and pay one's dues to get food aid. These are allegations that the Opposition parties in Ethiopia have been making for years, ever since the programme started. Their criticisms have not been taken seriously or investigated. The practice is ongoing. We undertook our research in 2009 before the May 2010 elections. Aid was a key tool used to squeeze the population ahead of the election, which incidentally the ruling party won with 99.9% of the parliamentary seats.

The second part of the substantive problem is that all the donor agencies in Addis Ababa know this is going on. We have had reams of testimony from donor officials, off the record but contained in our report, acknowledging this has been going on for some time. The monitoring mechanisms in place, however, are no good in capturing what is happening. One reason is that they are designed principally from a development framework to see if the moneys are spent as intended, such as reaching villages at the bottom level. The immediate observation is they are. The problem is which villages. Many of the donor officials we spoke to off the record said political monitoring is not part of their mandate or in the structure of their monitoring mechanisms. They confirmed that if the kind of discrimination we were talking about is occurring, they would not know about it. The head of the World Bank is on record as saying we will not find out about this unless an undercover investigation is carried out.

I sympathise with the donors in Addis Ababa because it is difficult to carry out any independent monitoring with the incredibly prickly and proud Ethiopian regime that resists any type of investigation or criticism from anyone. Hardly any foreign correspondents are given access to Ethiopia any more. There are the bare bones of a domestic media but the main independent radio stations and newspapers have all shut down. Voice of America broadcasts are routinely jammed. I was arrested and deported when the authorities discovered what I was doing for this report, unfortunately, on the penultimate day of my research. Other colleagues of mine were banned from Ethiopia. Well-known academics with long records of Ethiopian research can no longer get visas. It is hard to get any independent information. The regime simply will not allow it. The reason the Development Assistance Group Ethiopia in Addis Ababa is reluctant to conduct proper monitoring is that the Ethiopian authorities would more than likely shut it down. No one is willing to test this.

Our original recommendations included a much more robust accountability as to how taxpayers' money from Ireland, the UK, EU, US and Canada was spent. Is it possible to establish an independent international investigation into the politicisation of aid?

All the officials we spoke to said, off the record, it was happening across the board. However, the response Human Rights Watch received from donors was that the systematic evidence of distortion of aid programmes does not exist. Accordingly, they claimed Human Rights Watch was wrong in its claims. This response was based on a July 2010 paper commissioned by the donor groups that focused on the systems and safeguards that donor-supported programmes have in place. The report, however, admitted it was not an investigation and did not seek to prove or disprove allegations of distortion. Nonetheless, this was the principle plank that the donors in Addis Ababa, of which Irish Aid is a part, used to respond to our report and claim it was nonsense.

Moreover, the July 2010 paper stated that to understand how the programmes, the systems and their safeguards work, it would be necessary to go beyond reviewing documentation and to gather additional evidence from the field. As such, this study remains exploratory.

The Human Rights Watch report covered 53 villages with interviews with more than 200 people in 27 districts across three regions in Ethiopia. It is the only independent examination of the politicisation of aid money in Ethiopia. No other organisation has been able to do so. Any investigation in this area must be done in conjunction with and have permission from the Ethiopian Government. Journalists are routinely tailed everywhere they go. These days it is routine for foreign journalists to be interviewed before they apply for a visa as to what they will write about and for them to submit their filings prior to exiting the country. They are tightly controlled and intimidated.

DAG Ethiopia and the donors are resisting examining our report for the obvious reason the Ethiopian authorities would not agree with it. They are in a bind. Do they keep funnelling moneys into the programmes even though these problems are happening? Alternatively, do they ask serious questions about their strategy in Ethiopia? Ethiopia is a classic case study of giving large amounts of money to authoritarian governments without asking too many questions.

We need to step back and ask more fundamental questions. How does one assist a poor population living under a repressive regime that controls a donor's access? In 2005, the Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front Government, under its Prime Minister, Meles Zenawi, killed over 200 people in Addis Ababa protesting against controversial elections. That was at the time of the G8 Gleneagles summit and the Make Poverty History movement. All donors reacted in horror to this event and suspended their direct budget support to the Ethiopian Government.

In six months, they came up with a new plan, the protection of basic services, which Irish Aid supports along with others. Aid was to go to specific sectors in order to avoid the problem of political manipulation. Having acknowledged the problem, they actually set up a new system without any political monitoring and which was open to the danger of manipulation and distortion. They had the fairness test which checked the money was going equally to different parts of the country. They did not check, however, how people were being filleted in each village rather than across the regions. They even acknowledged this was a problem back in 2005.

A much broader debate needs to take place as to how the donors in Ethiopia engage with the authoritarian regime there and elsewhere. For example, Human Rights Watch has concerns about Rwanda.

The bulk of the Irish assistance under the two pillars is paid into multidonor trust funds using local or regional government delivery channels. Irish Aid does not fund the Ethiopian Government through general budget support. We saw these programmes on the ground. We saw people working them and how they were getting on. It was very interesting.

We were also there, as was mentioned, in 2005, after the election when these riots took place. Some guards were killed as well, and the reaction to that was uncontrolled, as it were. We were involved subsequently in getting many of those people out of prison. A delegation from here went to meet the President. In any event, we will now hear from Deputy Seán Barrett.

I thank Mr. Rawlence for coming along and I totally accept that Human Rights Watch is a responsible and very respectable organisation. As a result, when I initially read a synopsis of the report, as the Fine Gael spokesman on foreign affairs I tabled a priority question to the Minister for Foreign Affairs about this matter. Without offending anybody, as the Chairman has said, the reply I got clearly indicated that there was no willingness on the part of Irish Aid to support anybody who was involved in corrupt activities, and I accept that. I thought it worthwhile to bring the matter before this committee, which sought Mr. Rawlence's attendance here so that we could try to understand how this subversive activity was taking place. I thank him for the detail in which he has outlined this. I, for one, do not accept for a moment that money which is hard earned by Irish people and generously given to a regime should be used for any purposes other than what we want, that is, to help the less well off in society. I reject very much any possibility that people might use it for political purposes, no matter what way they were doing it.

I recognise, from reading Mr. Rawlence's report – a copy of which I have – that he is looking for independent monitoring and I fully accept that this is necessary. There is sufficient evidence here to convince me that he has not dreamt this up and that he has researched the matter carefully. The fact that when it came to the attention of the authorities he was present in the country and on learning what he was doing they decided to arrest him, is sufficient evidence that they might not have been too happy he was reporting certain things they did not want reported. Otherwise, why would they bother?

We owe it to people such as Mr. Rawlence to ask all these questions in a formal manner. Ireland contributes about €35 million, which is about 1% of the total €3 billion in aid that is given to Ethiopia. The main donors are the US with €800 million, the EU with €400 million and €300 million from the UK. Therefore I propose, through this committee and based on Mr. Rawlence's attendance here as well as on the report his organisation has prepared, that we instigate through the European Union a thorough investigation of this whole matter.

I have no doubt that the matter could be brushed under the carpet and Ireland told to forget its €35 million. This could be worthwhile from a recipient viewpoint since Ethiopia would still retain €2.965 billion, so I do not believe we can do this on our own. However, Ireland is a member of the European Union and has neutrality on its side. We are independent and we should use our membership of the EU through our Minister for Foreign Affairs to open up this whole issue at the General Affairs Council, and ask for proper monitoring.

We want to make clear that we are not trying to deprive the ordinary human being in Ethiopia of the necessities of life. That is not the purpose of this exercise. I accept that the purpose of Mr. Rawlence's report is not to foment such an occurrence, but it is grossly unfair that people should be used for further political gains, in order to feed themselves. A startling aspect to the report is the sensitivity of this issue in any independent reporting in Ethiopia. This was demonstrated when Human Rights Watch tried to interview farmers from the northern Tigray region, who alleged they were not allowed to participate in the food for work programme for political reasons. When Ethiopian Government officials learned about the meetings, the farmers were detained and the researcher deported. A foreign journalist who tried to interview the same farmers was also detained, I understand, and threatened with deportation. That is not acceptable behaviour in any society.

For that reason I sincerely hope that Mr. Rawlence's attendance here today and the fact that this meeting is being held in public will mean that as a result of his efforts, Ireland, as a small independent country and member of the European Union can start the process of having a proper investigation carried out in this regard. I want to achieve this at today's meeting and I thank Mr. Rawlence for attending.

I am familiar with the work of Human Rights Watch in different parts of the world over several decades, now, and I am very glad that Mr. Rawlence is here. I do not intend to say very much, except that I agree that based on the proposal made by Deputy Barrett, it would be valuable to have an investigation at EU level. I should like to make a few more points, however.

In case there is any confusion I should say that my son is working in Ethiopia at present and I have not discussed this issue with him, so he is not connected to anything I have to say. My sister-in-law has been in Mek'ele for 27 years and I have not discussed with her any of the issues, so my views are my own.

A number of important points should follow on from this. One is that we should give prominence to the legislation that was introduced in February 2010 in relation to charities. That is absolutely crucial. This could be advanced as the removal of that restriction on the legislation and should be a condition in relation to aid. It is one that should be prosecuted with the European Union.

As I say this, I am conscious of something else as well, because Mr. Rawlence on ending his presentation made a throwaway remark to the effect that Human Rights Watch was also concerned about Rwanda. He is right to be concerned about Rwanda because it is a very repressive atmosphere in which it is difficult to discuss political options. At the same time, I do not support the idea that Irish Aid or international aid should only go to countries that have passed certain criteria in relation to what particular model might be held up as a norm for democracy. I am not making a case for the present regime in Ethiopia, but hard decisions have to be made.

Last year there were 2.3 million people in Ethiopia who needed emergency food aid. On the issue that arises in relation to the report, I do not believe anyone suggests that aid should be cut off from people who need food aid. Nobody suggests that education should be cut off from those who are trying to achieve literacy and participation. The criticism then is as regards how strong the critique in relation to the patronage system should be. I am very well aware of people who face patronage systems dead on. I can recall, for example, the very stupid consequences to the invasion of Iraq when it was argued that anyone who was a member of the Ba'ath Party should automatically be excluded from the public service. That happened, with disastrous consequences. The borders of the country were let go and into Iraq flooded every type of subversive organisation that existed internationally. I am not suggesting that you can say, for example, that you can operate only in countries that have a multi-party system. That would not be viable. The fact of the matter is that the moral choice to be made in delivering an aid programme is to go to where the aid is needed, whether it is food aid or education.

I agree with Mr. Rawlence that there are requirements to be met in the delivery of aid. It would be neglectful if one did ask the tough questions as to whether the aid was being put through a system of patronage. Then one has to look at the degree of patronage systems. One must remember one is giving evidence in a country that has been corrupted by about 50 or 100 bankers so there is no innocence in relation to all of this. Assuming, therefore, that one cannot establish in advance a set of democratic conditionalities in relation to the civil society, I know about this as I was part of this argument for about three decades, one has to see how much one can achieve.

I agree entirely that we should try to repeal the charities legislation. There is no doubt that the last three elections, the most recent elections, the local elections and the elections in 2005 had very serious defects, but if one wants an example of how not to do things it was the European Union representative at the elections in 2005, who announced results before the results had been completed in the country. That was disastrous and that enabled the regime to be able to point to serious flaws in political observation. In relation to the other part, I think it is well worthwhile taking up this issue at the European Union, but again there is a significant vacuum in relation to that discourse at present. There is no evidence of a very serious advance in putting a human rights conditionality into development aid. That discourse is simply not happening. In fact there are serious issues in relation to the structures of the aid.

On the other hand, we could be of assistance and we should be of assistance. The other part that is important is the possibility of a visit. This Parliament is on its last legs so whatever Parliament comes after us should visit the country. When they visit it is very important not to just visit Addis Ababa.

I am very interested in Mr. Rawlence's comments. He said the Human Rights Watch report covered 53 villages with interviews with more than 200 people in 27 districts across three regions in Ethiopia. I am a political scientist-sociologist and I know what he would be trying to do. It is outrageous that he would be impeded in his research. We should take up that matter directly with the ambassador. In addition, when politicians visit Ethiopia they should try to discover facts. The argument is always reduced to fairly crude terms. Should Ireland be giving aid to Ethiopia at all? The fact of the matter is that people in Ethiopia and many countries in Africa desperately need aid, food and education. It is a matter of how much you use in your negotiating strategy? Are we being taken as a soft donor and so forth? We certainly need to look at that.

I have some sympathy with Mr. Rawlence as I have had experience of being asked to leave a country.

El Salvador, since the Senator is curious.

I think it was outrageous to ask Mr. Rawlence to leave and I presume that has already been taken up diplomatically. It is a matter of great concern.

I am not avoiding anything that Mr. Rawlence is asking. However, there is a way to do things and he needs a far more effective strategy. The model to use is to raise issues at the level of European Union discussions. It could be done in the short term possibly if he asked for a model of civil society, if discussions began on the framework for a civil society through which contributions could be made into the state system. One is not simply accusing one state of a particular patronage or clientalist structure but one is talking about the appropriate model for the delivery within a rights perspective. That could be done in the context of the European Union's committee.

Mr. Rawlence mentioned that the donors should come together and do something about the situation. The donors in Ethiopia, namely, those from Belgium, Austria, Denmark, the European Commission, Finland, France, Germany, Indian and Irish Aid and Italian Co-operation, the Netherlands embassy, the Norwegian embassy, the Spanish embassy, UNDP, US Aid and the World Bank and a couple of others, published a report on 21 October 2010, in which they say they take the allegation very seriously as Deputy Barrett has pointed out. That is the reason that even before the earlier Human Rights Watch report, One Hundred Ways of Putting Pressure, the Development Assistance Group commissioned an independent aid management and utilisation study in Ethiopia to examine the vulnerability of the programmes we support to possible misappropriation. It concluded:

[W]e do not concur with the conclusions of the recent Human Rights Watch report regarding widespread, systematic abuse of development aid in Ethiopia. Our study did not generate any evidence of systematic or widespread distortion. Nonetheless, we recognise that the programmes we support are not immune to the potential for aid misuse and have included safeguard measures to address these risks. These measures include a range of rigorous checks such as regular financial audits, independent evaluations, independently-commissioned surveys and field monitoring visits to make sure our aid achieves the intended development results and its benefits reach those who need them. The DAG Aid Management and Utilization Study concluded there are generally good accountability mechanisms [...] Donors in Ethiopia are working jointly to strengthen programme-specific systems, in line with the study recommendations.

There has been a very major study. I know we can come back to individual aspects and I think Mr. Rawlence has pointed out some that he would be very concerned about.

I very much welcome Mr. Rawlence. I was one of the members that requested that the evidence should be presented in person to the committee, which he has done very clearly and succinctly because of the questions raised about its credibility.

I find what Mr. Rawlence had to say and his report very credible indeed. It is disturbing. There is a fairly sophisticated ideological element, a theoretical and academic element and there are also very clear facts on the ground. It has been established that people attempting an independent investigation have been intimidated and deported and have been obstructed and frustrated in their work. That is a mark of guilt. The fact is that the Government in Ethiopia was very pleased with the 99.9% success rate in the election. I am a professional politician. The 99.9% success rate in any election would immediately raise alarm bells about either the process of election or the means by which this result was achieved, if indeed it was an accurate result. Even assuming it was an accurate result my concern would be that the implication of everything I read from Human Rights Watch including these reports was that food aid, the most essential commodity and one of the most basic things for human survival, was specifically, deliberately and systematically used for political purposes and was withheld from those who did not bow to this type of centralised pressure. The very tight organisation along a cell structure would lead to this. As far as I am concerned if that was what the population wanted it is not for us from outside to tell them what kind of political structure they should have. I completely agree with Deputy Michael D. Higgins that an appalling mistake was made in relation to the attack on Iraq. It was illegal, immoral and unjustifiable. Moreover, torture and rendition flights were used, that whole ethos, because of greed and paranoia about communism. I hope I do not share either of those characteristics. The complete elimination of the Ba'ath Party was a mirror image in which one sees the inverted reflection of what appears to be happening in Iraq. I do not believe any member of the joint committee would ever suggest that was the appropriate way to look at the situation.

I strongly support Deputy Barrett's proposal. It is a fine, practical and realisable aim that we should attempt to use the institutions of the European Union. Unfortunately, I must leave the meeting in a couple of minutes but a resolution of that nature should be put forward. Members should seek this avenue and I certainly will support it morally, although I will not be in a position to vote for it. Perhaps, however, it will be done by consensus and will be unopposed. I certainly am happy to second this proposal as it is the best thing that members can do.

Members must recognise, however, that there are different views of the significance of human rights elements within the European Union. Moreover, these have grown more complex on foot of the expansion of the Union. However, there has been some improvement in this regard. I recall raising similar questions about Timor-Leste at a COSAC meeting in Paris and being told by Mr. Alain Juppé, the then French Foreign Minister, that the European Union was not a human rights organisation and had no human rights mandate. Subsequent treaties certainly have significantly advanced that position to a point where there is now a human rights element within the basic structure and initiatives such as this can be done if one can garner the requisite goodwill. Members should also seek the diplomatic assistance of the Department of Foreign Affairs when trying to ensure this happens. I am glad to support this proposal.

Deputy Barrett made a good point when he stated that €35 million is approximately 1% or 1.5% of the overall budget of €3 billion, which is tiny. It is a lot to us, however, especially these days when so much money has been squandered from our public Exchequer and our taxpayers have been presented with the bill. In these circumstances, Irish taxpayers are concerned that money is going abroad at a time when Irish people who are among the most vulnerable and marginalised groups are experiencing difficulties in supporting their own families.

I will conclude by noting that although I may be rather naive, the difficulty is with the system through which the money is administered. Mr. Rawlence gave a very elegant description of it, using a certain amount of mime and hand gestures as well as his own eloquent words. Is it possible to bypass that funnel, at least with part of the money, by seeking to have the local administration of such resources carried out through non-governmental organisations, NGOs, that have a high reputation? I also accept completely that we cannot seek perfection in other countries or for a complete absence of corruption, especially in the light of our rather lamentable recent history. I wish Mr. Rawlence well, however, and thank him for his courage in preparing this report. While I do not imagine it will be easy, those of us who are in strong support of human rights internationally rely very largely upon the work carried out by people like him who are independent and who can provide a view that is not filtered through the language of international diplomacy.

I welcome Mr. Rawlence and note the bleakness of his report's description of how the system works in respect of the regional government and the operation of the village government system. It all appears to work on the basis of whether one is on the side of the Government or otherwise and discrimination arises accordingly. I was worried on reading part of a report pertaining to developments relating to civil society in Ethiopia whereby under the terms of legislation entered in February 2010, any charity or society that draws more than 10% of its funding from abroad is classified as being foreign and thereby prohibited from engaging in activities such as dealing with human rights, gender equality, the rights of the disabled or children's rights. This is frightening.

I agree completely with Deputy Barrett that this issue must be brought to the attention of the international partners. It strikes me that there has been silence in this regard and it is time for it to be opened up. I was glad of this opportunity to learn of the bleakness of the situation and, as others have noted, taxpayers' money is being contributed. Where is that money going and how is it being used locally if civil society cannot hold on to it? Mr. Rawlence talked about education, the discrimination against teachers and about the party political training of young people. This is very serious and the matter must be taken further than this forum. It must start from here, however, and I support the points raised. Unfortunately, I must leave now to attend another meeting but will read the record later. I am with Mr. Rawlence and certainly would be delighted to support any issues the joint committee may bring forward to highlight the problems he has raised.

I also thank Mr. Rawlence for his attendance and for the comprehensiveness of his report. Programmes such as the protection of basic services programme are becoming more common in the developing world and, in Vietnam, which is another of Ireland's priority countries, we have a similar programme in place. Last year, I visited that country and saw this type of programme in action in villages. I saw the great benefits that were being derived by the very poorest of local families in particular and saw the excellent impact that such programmes can have. Like the issues raised by Mr. Rawlence today, however, at the time I was interested to establish how the assignment of aid was made within the villages. In Vietnam, it supposedly is very much by the local people themselves coming together to agree among themselves which families are most in need of aid. Clearly, however, this is not a highly transparent process and it certainly is open to criticism because of the potential for abuse. I certainly did not see any abuse in the allocation in Vietnam but without strict criteria and transparency, the question always will be raised whether it is completely clear and transparent. Consequently, I would welcome some general work done on how we might best come up with a system of allocation for such programmes because they are becoming more common in the developing world.

The first question is who is telling the truth. Mr. Rawlence's report presents a certain amount of information while the report from the development assistance group says something different. If there is even a scintilla of truth in what Mr. Rawlence is saying, it makes for alarming reading and I support the call for further investigation. The matter cannot simply be left as it is whereby Human Rights Watch made the report, everyone walked away from it and the abuse continues. While one is told that Ethiopia is one of the largest recipients of foreign aid, it is one of the poorest countries in the world. Where is it all going wrong? This is not to fail to acknowledge the great work being done by agencies locally. As for Irish aid, it is significant that it is not tied aid? Is the presence of an Irish Aid embassy in Addis Ababa also significant in ensuring Irish aid is not misdirected?

I have a couple of other questions, the first of which pertains to the issues of debt and tax justice. Did Mr. Rawlence encounter anything that suggests this also is an issue that must be built on to support the building of democracy? Mr. Rawlence's report is alarming if even part of it is true. What has been the reaction of the United States, the United Kingdom or whatever to date? While I have read a little on this issue, I seek Mr. Rawlence's comments in this regard. I also have a question on the dam project, in respect of which I believe serious human rights issues have arisen concerning water for people in southern Ethiopia and northern Kenya. It is funded by Chinese and Italian loans. Could there be abuse and misdirection of its funding? I accept Deputy Barrett's idea of an independent international investigation, not just in respect of Ethiopia but also to ensure that aid is getting to those who need it most.

Deputy Breen is the Chairman of the Sub-Committee on Overseas Development.

I apologise for arriving late but I had another meeting which only concluded at approximately 3.15 p.m. However, I had an opportunity to read Development Without Freedom. As has been stated, it is a comprehensive report. I am amazed by the 99.6% support for the EPRDF Party in the recent elections. It tells its own story and reminds one of what occurred in Zimbabwe under the Mugabe regime. Matters there have improved since the creation of a new government.

Being a poor country with a population of 81 million people, there will be human rights problems and abuses. I commend Mr. Rawlence and his agency, Human Rights Watch, on their comprehensive report. It contains a great deal of truth and references many witnesses, including Mr. Rawlence and journalists, which makes it credible. The issue needs to be investigated. Under the Lisbon treaty, we have an EU High Representative in the form of Baroness Catherine Ashton. I hope she will take a comprehensive view and highlight what has been occurring in Ethiopia. Only in forums like this committee can such situations be highlighted.

The reply by the Minister of State, Deputy Peter Power, is comprehensive. Given what we have seen of Irish Aid's operations elsewhere and its levels of accountability, it is distributing funding in a proper and fully accountable manner. Many non-governmental organisations, NGOs, and donor agencies work in Ethiopia. The report examines where misuses of funding have occurred.

I agree with Deputy Barrett's suggestion that we have the EU investigate the situation in order that the reputations of countries are not tarnished and funding goes to where it should, namely, the poor. Ireland has a close association with Ethiopia, given our diplomatic relations and the Ethiopian ambassador in Dublin. Perhaps we could ask the ambassador to attend one of our meetings to discuss the report in the near future.

We are nearing the conclusion of this important meeting. Deputy Barrett raised the matter as a priority question and received a reply from the Minister. This committee is the forum in which to raise issues such as this. I hope we can follow it up in Europe as a result of this meeting and Mr. Rawlence's attendance today.

I have been watching the meeting on my monitor.

We will suspend for two minutes.

Sitting suspended at 4.04 p.m. and resumed at 4.06 p.m.

Regarding the continuity of people such as the Ethiopian President and Prime Minister, the latter has publicly indicated his interest in stepping down as leader of the EPRDF, but he added that his party must agree to that decision. The party has started a rotational system whereby Ministers will only be in place for a limited time. Seeing how this system works will be interesting. The ruling party has made known its intention to effect a gradual change in leadership over the course of the next five years. This relates to their Ministers, but I do not have the details with me. We could ask the ambassador about this issue when we send our invitation.

According to the Minister of State in his letter to the committee, "we are concerned about any allegation of misuse of aid at local level". He knows about the allegations made and spoke to the Ethiopian Minister for Finance and Economic Development. The Minister stated that his "Government is ready to investigate any allegation brought to its attention and to discuss how existing safeguards can be strengthened". The Minister of State will follow up on these issues.

Human Rights Watch takes the view that the international development partners are remaining silent on the issues of concern in terms of human rights and governance. The Minister of State believes that while Ethiopia is demonstrating strong progress in terms of human and economic development, progress on democratic transition has been more mixed. It was not until 1995 that the first constitution enshrining democratic principles was introduced. Progress has since been made, but some developments have given rise to ongoing concerns on the part of the Minister of State and the development partners. In particular, they remain concerned about the lack of an even electoral playing field in the recent elections and the diminishing space for civil society organisations engaged in advocacy. The committee could address the civil society aspect in particular. It was developing during our last visit but has since gone backwards.

According to the Minister of State, Irish Aid takes the view that, rather than withdrawing from Ethiopia and undermining the progress made at all levels, especially among the poorest communities, the most constructive and effective approach is to engage openly and honestly with the authorities. He points out how Human Rights Watch is calling on development partners to improve independent monitoring of the various programmes cited in the report. He assures the committee that all programmes supported by Irish Aid are subject to rigorous review and ongoing monitoring.

A distinction is made between the issues of misuse and civil society. While one can say nobody went without food, the question is whether all the starving people have equal access to what is available. That is the civil society issue.

That is the area we want to pursue. We saw the independent audits and valuations in progress while we were there. The Minister of State noted that another suggestion made by Human Rights Watch is that national parliamentary bodies of development partners should examine the manner in which development assistance is delivered to Ethiopia. He welcomed the committee's close interest in the Irish Aid programme in Ethiopia for this reason. He also pointed out that Members of the Oireachtas regularly visit Ethiopia and assured us that he and his officials are prepared to offer all support necessary to facilitate a future visit by the committee or its members to assess at first hand the management and effectiveness of the programme.

The reply to a parliamentary question I tabled on 18 November stated:

In recent days, our ambassador has raised the allegations in the report directly with the Minister for Finance and Economic Development and emphasised the real concern in Ireland that they need to be investigated. The Minister stated that his Government is ready to investigate any allegation brought to its attention and to discuss how existing safeguards can be strengthened. We are following up at all levels so effective action is taken to provide the assurance that there is no misuse of aid and all assistance is delivered without interference to the most vulnerable communities.

This reply gives rise to two questions which could perhaps be pursued by the committee secretariat. Has the Minister of State received a reply from the Ethiopian Minister for Finance and Economic Development regarding the outcome of the investigation and, if so, what were the findings? Perhaps the Ethiopian Minister can explain why people are suddenly arrested or deported when they carry out interviews or investigations. If openness and transparency is promised, why would one get so upset as to threaten an investigation or an individual attached to a recognised and highly respected human rights organisation? These are simple questions. That one would go to the trouble of putting poor farmers in jail simply because they might answer an investigator's questions does not instill confidence in the openness and transparency of the system. As politicians, we have to ensure these questions are answered.

The document supplied by Human Rights Watch includes an open letter to the country director of the World Bank. Has a reply been received to this letter and if so, what did it contain? Reports of this nature are not the work of people who are on a mission to prevent aid going to the poor. It is important we get across the message that none of us wants to interfere with any money that goes to the poor. We want our money to go directly to people who are hungry or need education but it must be done fairly and through the right channels. There should be no percentage for anyone else. I am not interested in who or what party is in power. I am solely concerned with ensuring that the money provided by Irish taxpayers and the European Union is accounted for. Others can look after themselves. I have no other agenda.

I do not suggest for one moment that anybody attached to Irish Aid is complicit in underhand activities but when we receive reports such as this one, we must take action. If other members have suggestions on how we should proceed I would be happy to support them. We are not on a hunt or a mission; we are just trying to ensure that proper procedures are followed.

The Minister of State acknowledged that Deputy Barrett tabled a parliamentary question on 18 November. He also pointed out that several members of the committee raised the report-----

We all have a copy

-----with the Government's hunger envoy, Mr. Farrell.

I appreciate that.

I did not read the entire letter. I just selected the key points. Perhaps Mr. Rawlence will respond to questions. I think he knows how we feel about the issue. We have particularly strong feelings about the civil side. When we visited the country to observe how Irish Aid does it work on the ground, we met the women who were most often running projects or keeping accounts and we saw the benefits these programmes brought to people at the lowest levels. Ethiopia's per capita GDP is only $344 in a country of 80 million people. It is not an easy situation to manage and control but we can home in on particular areas.

Mr. Ben Rawlence

There appears to be a misunderstanding about what we have documented and what is happening. Perhaps I did not spell it out clearly enough in the report. Ethiopians are terrified of speaking to anybody who is not sanctioned by the Government. As an outsider, it is extremely difficult to get a proper understanding of what is happening when one visits a village, particularly when one visits in the company of Government officials. Every household is part of a cell which is monitored by a member of the ruling party who reports to the chairman of the village. The chairman is also a member of the ruling party and has a cabinet of 200, including a militia, who are personally answerable to him. It is an incredibly people intensive apparatus of control and repression.

Ethiopia is one of the most repressive countries in the world. Thousands of people are in jail and the International Committee of the Red Cross has no access in Ethiopia outside the Somali region. Ethiopia is guilty of war crimes in Ogaden, Somalia and, historically, in Oromia and other parts of the country. These have never been investigated or documented. Human Rights Watch is one of the only organisations that documented what is happening in Ogaden. We pushed the UN to ask for an independent inquiry and allow access for the special rapporteurs but this was refused.

I cannot over emphasise the scale of the repression in Ethiopia. I have worked in more than a dozen African countries over 15 years but I have never seen anything like it. I should leave it there before I get too emotional, but that should be understood. As a result of that climate of fear, only two women need to be put in jail or one family needs to be starved in a village for everyone to understand exactly how the process works. We are not talking about half the village voting for the opposition and half voting for the Government, with massive numbers of people necessarily involved. Only one or two people in one or two villages in a district are required for the message to go out like wildfire that people should not mess with the Government and should know what way to vote. People have learned this since 2005.

In 2005, people voted for the opposition and with the social and economic consequences over the next five years, they have been absolutely crushed. All Ethiopia's social and economic health indicators from the past five years have been pretty static when one considers the figures. All the progress has been questioned by The Lancet and the Economist Intelligence Unit. There are many independent questions about the notion of a development darling which is making much progress.

To echo Deputy Barrett's comments, we are not calling for the withdrawal of aid from Ethiopia or looking to undermine the livelihoods of people. Human Rights Watch is standing for accountability, transparency and monitoring. A very simple question is why there cannot be independent monitoring and what is the problem in this regard. Why are political questions not allowed regarding how aid is dispersed at the village level? Why is that a problem? Why do donors not raise the issue with the Ethiopian Government and why does that Government not comply? These are basic and easy questions.

Unfortunately there is much bureaucracy and weasel words in the response from the donor group and the response from the Irish Government. Phrases like "rigorous reviews and ongoing monitoring" curiously leave out the word "independent". Human Rights Watch advocates independent monitoring but the phrase is "rigorous reviews and ongoing monitoring". Later, the text states, "a range of safeguards are in place, including regular audits, independent evaluations and independently commissioned surveys". Both phrases must be thoroughly interrogated. The phrase "independent evaluations" means people are commissioned by the Government to ask questions in villages and everyone knows the response. The people know what will happen if they answer incorrectly. Equally, with regard to the phrase "independently commissioned surveys", which body is considered independent and which is commissioning surveys? No one does research in Ethiopia unless they get a research permit from the Ministry of Information and they are thoroughly vetted.

Control of information is absolutely central. Donors mean well and are dealing with a very difficult regime. I am not impugning the motives of any of the people working to try to deliver any of this Western money to the people. It is incredibly difficult but we believe it would be much better to have an honest and open discussion about those difficulties rather than continuing to pretend that the evidence does not exist or monitoring and safeguards are okay. There is a sufficient body of dissenters within the donor community recorded as saying that monitoring does not work.

Deputy O'Sullivan raised the question that we say one thing but the development assistance group, DAG, says another. I mentioned this at the beginning because the matter is crucial. The DAG study is not a major work but a desk-based study of a couple of weeks looking at how the programmes work and whether they would capture this kind of abuse if it were happening. The conclusion of the report is that they would not. A key line from the report, relating to the protection of basic services, PBS, programme to which Ireland contributes upwards of €50 million over several years, indicates: "Existing safeguards would not pick up on access to employment, access to goods and services being shaped by political affiliation or on PBS funds being misused for political training and education." They are the donors' own words and these are exactly the criticisms we make. The report indicates the safeguards would not pick up such problems and yet the October statement quotes the DAG study, indicating, "our study did not generate any evidence of systematic or widespread distortion". How could this be known? It cannot be known as this kind of investigation has not been done.

If in a different forum, I would have different words for how to characterise the response of the DAG. It is insufficient and bordering on irresponsible to be misrepresenting the findings of its own study. The study indicates one thing but the summary indicates something very different. That has then been spun by donors in host governments. There is an argument that a study done does not agree with our findings but the substance of the study agrees with our findings.

It is not very complicated but unfortunately a relentless examination is required of the weasel words of people who would rather not look too hard. I am sure they want to act correctly and they probably believe what they are being told by the Ethiopian Government. If someone has had experience on the ground in the past five years in Ethiopia, he or she would not believe a word said by the Ethiopian Government. It is insufficient to rely on an official saying that allegations will be looked at. I can imagine any number of repressive regimes taking this approach. Would we believe Robert Mugabe if he said his Government would look into allegations of beatings and torture? It has become accepted in the Western media that the Zimbabwean regime is of a certain kind. Unfortunately, the Ethiopian regime is not understood in the same way, although the scale of abuses is similar. I do not want to make comparisons but it is of a piece.

On specific matters, the NGO alternative of not putting money through the Government no longer exists because of the NGO law mentioned by Deputy Higgins. There are no longer any independent human rights NGOs in Ethiopia and most other NGOs are terrified of doing anything. There is a new charities agency which registers and vets all NGOs. The NGO option is pretty much off the table, which is why Ethiopia presents such a dilemma. When there is no NGO option for channelling assistance, one is stuck with the Government. If there is no independent monitoring, what can be done? If we insist on spending money and getting cash out the door, one must turn a blind eye, and many little adjustments are made along the way so that in the end, the money still arrives and the true picture is masked.

It is the role of bodies of scrutiny such as this one to shine a light, indicating that before we keep funding the creation of an incredible single-party authoritarian regime, we should stop to think about how we are doing it. There have been statements indicating that Ethiopia has been making progress at all levels and that we must build on accelerated progress in the process of democratisation, but Ethiopia is going backwards very fast in terms of basic human rights indicators, freedom of the press, freedom of civil society, trade union rights, torture and other elements such as the justice system. Most important is the issue of democracy, which is going very rapidly in the other direction. All this budget support is predicated on an assumption that the process is going in the other direction so there is a big contradiction unfolding.

I do not know anything about the dynamics of tied aid or the relative significance of an Irish Aid embassy in Addis Ababa. Equally, I am not a specialist on tax and justice issues. With regard to other reactions from the US, the UK and the EU, they have all hidden behind this joint statement from the DAG, which is transparent. The European Parliament will have a joint hearing of five committees on 13 or 14 March, and I expect to testify there. That is an unprecedented number of committees in one room. I hope that will be a further focus for the committee's efforts to obtain accountability.

In answer to Deputy O'Sullivan's question about the dam, there are a series of dams in southern Ethiopia and we have heard - although we have not been able to get there and look at it - serious allegations about widespread removal of people from land in order to flood the valleys, which raises all kinds of land rights and environmental issues. We have not been able to investigate so I cannot say, but the noises are not good.

The last question was whether we had a reply to the World Bank letter. We received a reply to our initial letter to the World Bank, which is published as an annex to this report. The more recent letter, which we sent just before Christmas, has not yet had a reply, as far as I am aware.

I hope that has been helpful. I am happy to answer any more questions.

With regard to the DAG aid programme, the organisation said in the conclusion of its statement: "The study recommended ... that safeguards could be further strengthened to include a greater focus on, for example, transparency and independent monitoring." These are the two things Mr. Rawlence is talking about. We will take that into consideration in our further questioning.

With regard to jails, we visited Kaliti Prison and met the people inside. Funnily enough, they told us they were very well treated, but they wanted to be out. They are well fed and well treated inside, at which we were surprised. We did not think they would actually say that.

I thank Mr. Rawlence on behalf of the committee. It has been a useful discussion. All members of the committee have a keen interest in our overseas aid programme and its effective and ethical administration. Irish Aid is widely regarded as being among the most effective development assistance programmes internationally. Part of its strength is that it has always been open to review and assessment. As the Minister said, it has independent evaluations done of its work. Irish Aid has said that its assessment of the programmes receiving significant Irish funding does not support a finding of widespread systematic abuse in its administration. Nonetheless, through Ireland's embassy in Addis Ababa, some of the specific allegations in the report are being investigated further, which we welcome.

As indicated, this committee will write to the Minister for Foreign Affairs to ask that he raise these points at the Foreign Affairs Council. We will also invite the ambassador to come and meet the committee, and we will discuss these and other issues. A new ambassador was accredited only last week.

When a new committee is formed in the new Parliament, we should leave it the legacy of a proposal that it conduct a research project on the civil society aspects of aid, including human rights compliance. That would be the beginning of it. We would not have to go around the bushes again and again about one country after another. I know what Mr. Rawlence is saying. We do not want allegations followed by counter-responses. We need to make progress. The meeting of the five European Parliament committees may make some progress. I apologise to the Chairman; I did not mean to cut across him.

I am almost finished. We also need to discuss the charities legislation and the civil society aspects of development aid, which are particularly of concern in this case.

I am delighted to hear that the European Parliament is commencing its own hearings. As a committee, we should perhaps send a copy of our minutes, together with the report, to the European Commissioner and ask that she commence an investigation into the allegations contained in the report and that we look forward to hearing from her.

I agree with that.

We should not let this go off the radar. At least we have structures in place. I ask Mr. Rawlence to keep us informed as to the outcome of the hearings in the European Parliament. Now that we have dialogue going, we must keep in touch with each other. I emphasise that all we are trying to achieve is justice and fairness for all.

The joint committee went into private session at 4.35 p.m. and adjourned at 4.40 p.m. sine die.
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