Skip to main content
Normal View

JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND TRADE debate -
Wednesday, 8 Feb 2012

United Nations Human Rights Council: Discussion

I welcome the officials from the human rights unit of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade: Mr. Colin Wrafter, director, Ms Breda Lee, deputy director, and Ms Aoife Ní Fhearghail, desk officer.

As members will note from the briefing circulated this is Ireland's first time to seek election to the United Nations Human Rights Council. Election to the council would add to the high standing and reputation Ireland has built in the UN during many decades. If elected, our term would coincide with the Presidency of the European Union from January to June 2013 and would directly follow on our chairmanship in office of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, OSCE, which ends on 31 December 2012. Our participation in these organisations would be a significant boost to our international profile. Without delay I invite Mr. Colin Wrafter and his colleagues to update the committee on the status of Ireland's candidature and its chances of election. Perhaps they would also outline Ireland's priorities if elected to the United Nations Human Rights Council.

Before I invite the witnesses to make the presentation I advise that they are protected by absolute privilege in respect of utterances at the committee. However, if they are directed by the committee to cease making remarks on a particular matter and continue to do so, they are entitled thereafter only to a qualified privilege in respect of those remarks. Witnesses are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given and they are asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise or make charges against a member of either House of the Oireachtas, a person outside the Houses or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

Mr. Colin Wrafter

I thank the Chairman for his kind words of welcome. As I understand members already have the text of my presentation I will not read every word of it but I will go through it.

I thank the Chairman and members of the committee for inviting me to speak to the committee. I propose to start by explaining what the UN Human Rights Council is and why Ireland is seeking election at this time. I will also touch on some of the issues we would like to prioritise if we succeed in the election.

As the committee is aware, Ireland is seeking election to the United Nations Human Rights Council for the period 2013 to 2015. This is our first time to seek election to what is the UN's principal human rights body. If elected, Ireland would serve on the council for the three years I have mentioned.

We expect that the election will take place in the autumn. At the UN, Ireland belongs to the Western Europe and Others Elector Group, the WEOG. Three seats will become available in the WEOG for the period 2013-2015. We are competing with four other states, EU partners, Germany, Greece and Sweden, and the United States. I would not for a moment underestimate the strength of each of our competitors but we have a strong reputation in the human rights field and a good chance of winning one of the three seats.

The UN Human Rights Council is a subsidiary body of the UN General Assembly with responsibility for the promotion and protection of human rights. It was established by General Assembly in 2006 and meets in Geneva.

The Council is mandated to: promote universal respect for the protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms for all; address situations of violations of human rights; promote human rights education, technical assistance and capacity-building; serve as a forum for dialogue on human rights thematic issues; make recommendations to the UN General Assembly for the further development of international law in the field of human rights; promote the full implementation of human rights obligations undertaken by member states; and undertake a universal periodic review, UPR, of the fulfilment by each state of its human rights obligations. The council has 47 members. Ireland has been an active observer since the council was set up in 2006 and as an observer we have taken an active part in the proceedings without having any voting rights.

The council meets in three regular sessions per year, usually in March, June and September. It can also meet in special session. The 2 December 2011 special session on Syria established a mandate for a special rapporteur on the human rights situation in that country.

The forthcoming regular session, which will be the 19th session of the council, will take place in Geneva from 27 February to 23 March 2012. The agenda will include items on the following: torture; human rights defenders; freedom of religion or belief; the rights of the child; the right to development; the human rights of persons with disabilities; as well as the human rights situations in North Korea, Burma, Syria, Libya and Iran.

It might be helpful to explain the three kinds of events which take place at the council's regular sessions: interactive dialogues; general debates; and panel discussions. Interactive dialogues are held once a year with the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Ms Navi Pillay, and the council's special rapporteurs. General debates are held on human rights situations in countries requiring the council's attention and on a number of broader human rights issues. Panel discussions at HRC19, the 19th session of the council, will include: the protection of human rights in the context of HIV and AIDS; human rights through sport; and freedom of expression on the Internet.

Observer states may table draft resolutions but voting in the council is, of course, restricted to full members. If Ireland is successfully elected to the council, we can play a more substantial role in the promotion and protection of human rights across the globe by helping to shape the programme of work of the council, by influencing the informal negotiations where much of the work is carried out and, of course, by voting. If we are elected, the first six months of our Human Rights Council term will overlap with our Presidency of the European Union from January to June 2013. This will be an advantage as only council members can move certain business items at council sessions and if we are not a council member we would have to devolve that function to another EU council member.

EU member states are elected to the council in their national capacity. They have a responsibility to co-ordinate with their EU partners on issues before the council including, where appropriate, assisting in outreach to non-EU countries. The responsibility to co-ordinate positions with partners does not exclude the taking of initiatives. In June 2010, at HRC17, Ireland co-sponsored a draft resolution on human rights, sexual orientation and gender identity which was passed by 23 votes to 19, with 3 abstentions. This was the first time that a UN resolution explicitly acknowledged human rights protection as covering sexual orientation and the resolution demonstrates the increasing commitment across the international community to the promotion and protection of the human rights of all people, irrespective of their sexual orientation and gender identity. South Africa took the lead in presenting the draft resolution and Ireland was part of a cross-regional group of states that worked in support of this historic resolution.

With the permission of the Chair, I would like to mention the universal periodic review, or UPR, procedure. The UPR is one of the most important and innovative aspects of the council's work. It is a process whereby once every four years the council examines the human rights records of each UN member, asking each state to set out what actions they are taking to improve the domestic human rights situation in their own countries and precisely how they are implementing their human rights commitments. Apart from South Sudan which only became an independent state in July 2011, each of the UN's member states, including Ireland, has now been reviewed. At the end of the first cycle, we could say that the UPR has been a broadly successful initiative.

Key questions will arise, however, during the second phase when states will be asked what they have done to implement the recommendations from the first cycle. The second cycle will commence later this year. Ireland's human rights record was reviewed under the UPR on 6 October 2011. The Minister for Justice and Equality and Minister for Defence, Deputy Alan Shatter, led the Irish delegation. Our review highlighted Ireland's positive and forward approach to human rights at home.

One may ask the reason Ireland is seeking election to the UN Human Rights Council. Ireland firmly believes in the community of nations working together to advance the values of the UN Charter. We have long championed the vital role of the United Nations in the promotion and protection of human rights. The issue of global human rights resonates strongly with the Irish public. It is also a core element of Ireland's foreign policy - and has been under successive Governments.

The protection of human rights is firmly knitted into our development assistance programme, our contribution to international peacekeeping and our participation in international organisations. Our commitment to human rights has been shaped by our historical experience, our experience as a once colonised people and, more recently, our understanding of conflict resolution. These experiences are not unique to Ireland but they do give us an almost unique perspective as a member of the Western Europe and Others Group. If elected to the council, we would hope to use that experience to work with countries in other regions in a spirit of co-operation.

Seeking to become a member of the UN Human Rights Council is consistent with the commitment in the programme for Government "to restore Ireland's standing as a respected and influential member of the European Union and as part of the wider international community". If elected, Ireland would seek to prioritise a number of themes: freedom of religion or belief; lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights (LGBT); the protection of space for civil society and human rights defenders; the promotion of gender equality; and the strengthening of the UN human rights treaty monitoring body system.

We would also seek to promote greater human rights protections in the Middle East, Iran, Burma and North Korea. We would draw on our historical experience and our conviction that development, peace and security, and human rights are interlinked and mutually reinforcing. As a council member, we would promote a comprehensive approach to crisis resolution which factors in all these elements. We would also highlight the importance of ensuring that human rights considerations underpin all areas of development - with a particular focus on combating hunger, health and education.

Our diplomatic system is fully engaged. Our Permanent Representative to the United Nations in New York, Ambassador Anne Anderson, is lobbying her counterparts to seek support for our candidature. The work of our mission in New York is actively supported by Ireland's Permanent Representative to the UN in Geneva, Ambassador Gerard Corr. Geneva is where the Human Rights Council meets and where the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights is based. In addition to our missions to the United Nations, Ireland's network of embassies and staff at headquarters are actively promoting Ireland's candidature in contacts with third countries. The campaign itself has not involved any additional resources and Ireland has not appointed a travelling ambassador or special envoy to lobby internationally on our behalf. Face-to-face ministerial contact has been invaluable in the campaign to date. The Taoiseach and the Tánaiste have presented Ireland's candidature to their counterparts on the margins of international meetings and conferences. In addition, lobbying at ministerial level has been undertaken by a number of Minsters and Ministers of State at conferences and in bilateral contacts with Ministers from other countries. During his recent visit to Ethiopia, the Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs and TradeDeputy Joe Costello, attended the African Union summit in Addis Ababa, an important annual gathering of African leaders, where he met many African government ministers and he explained why Ireland is seeking election at this time and what we would hope to accomplish, if elected.

As I have mentioned, Ireland is seeking one of three seats available in the Western Europe and Others Group. On the election day, each member state in the UN General Assembly in New York will be given a ballot paper for each regional group that has seats to be filled. The names of the candidate states are not listed. Instead, each permanent representative writes the names of the states from each region that she or he intends to vote for. There is a threshold of approximately 97 votes which a member state must pass to be eligible for election. Passing this threshold does not in itself guarantee election as it is possible that all candidates could pass this threshold. If that happens, the top three candidates would be declared elected unless one or more of those three is on less than 97 votes, in which case the election will progress to a second round.

The second and, if necessary, the third and fourth rounds, are restricted in the sense that for each available seat member states are restricted to cast their vote from a list of candidate who were in the first round and that number of candidates is limited to twice the number of vacancies.

This is a tough election but we are committed to making every possible endeavour to succeed as a sign of our commitment to the promotion and protection of human rights on the international stage. I hope that my remarks have given members some sense of the Human Rights Council itself, and our reasons for seeking election.

I thank the Chairman and members of the committee. I am happy to answer questions.

I thank Mr. Wrafter for his comprehensive report on Ireland's candidature for a seat on the UN Human Rights Council. The Tánaiste holds the chair of the OSCE. The Minister of State with responsibility for European Affairs, Deputy Lucinda Creighton and the Tánaiste will meet many Ministers in the next six to eight months, which I am sure will be helpful. This committee will support their endeavours.

I will be uncharacteristically brief. I very much welcome the presentation, which was very clear and it explained the technical background. I am glad we are lobbying for the seat. We have a very good tradition. Our former President, Mary Robinson left the Presidency to take up the post of UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. Ordinary citizens, such as Mr. Tom Hyland have had a major impact on human right. Our former Tánaiste, Mr. Dick Spring established the human rights unit. I remember the time of the White Paper, which was a remarkable advance. It would be highly appropriate in the light of our track record to push our record. I am sure the committee can pass a resolution giving unanimous support, if that would be helpful. If so, I would be very happy to propose it.

I hope Mr. Wrafter found the discussion prior to his contribution interesting and constructive. Some questions were raised about the human rights records of some of the participants in the Arab League. The same could be said for some of the participants in the Human Rights Council. Even in our group, there are questions about the use of techniques such as water boarding in the United States. I certainly hope that we get there. I do not envy the Tánaiste in lobbying the African groups particularly in the light of the list of objectives that Ireland has flagged. I think it is extremely important that we raise issues such as sexual orientation and gender identity. The initiative led by South Africa and supported by Ireland on this issue was wonderful, because people are being murdered for it daily, particularly in Africa. If the international community can given an indication that this is not acceptable and that it is possible to disagree with people, yet they cannot simply be butchered because of an essential part of their nature. This will be a very important and courageous role for Ireland to play. I would be happy that the committee, among the other things that it is doing, would take up this issue in addition to freedom of religion or belief, and so on. At this moment there is a positive symbiosis, to use that phrase, between our position in Europe, that our Presidency of the EU will coincide and gives us a practical, tactical advantage. We would be in a better position to advance our aims.

I note that we have not sent special delegations, but it would not bother me if they did go. I am all in favour of going to the United States and other places on St. Patrick's Day. I always thought the media was taking a cheap shot when covering these visits.

If we are successful, what is the nature and composition of our representation? Will the seat be held by people who are at UN in New York or will staff be seconded from Mr. Wrafter's section or from the representation in Geneva?

I concur with the thrust of Senator Norris's remarks. This is happening at a time when there are so many apparent abuses of human right, so many cases over the years where might overcomes right. When we look at the aftermath of events, we are much better at determining the root causes. Ireland can have a positive influence and I sincerely hope we will be successful in our bid for a seat on the UN Human Rights Council. The fundamental core is that one can act with legitimacy in intervening with authorities on human rights issues. Interventions in other matters do not carry the same weight. We all know of cases where the human rights of people in conflict were not observed. In the case of the war in Somalia, it only emerged afterwards what had happened. The religious and historical background caused the conflict to ignite causing the slaughter of innocent people.

The former dictator, Mr. Ceaucescu was not a great observer of human rights. The fashion in which he was disposed was a sad reflection on democracy.

Saddam Hussein.

It was a sad situation. Humanity never seems to be able to emerge from that situation. We can think of events in recent history, where people took a stance on the basis of public acclamation. Consideration for the human rights of persons was not an integral part of their treatment. We need to learn from the lessons of history.

I fully support what we need to do through the medium of the UN Human Rights Council. It is not my right to change the regime in a neighbouring country. That is not the way that democracy should work but it is my right to try to ensure as far as I can that certain basic fundamental human rights are observed.

I call Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn. I have many speakers offering.

I wish Mr. Wrafter well in his endeavours. It would be a welcome achievement if we were to obtain the seat. From what we have been told, our chances look good. When will we know that we have succeeded in these elections?

Mr. Colin Wrafter

We will know the outcome on the day of the election, which will take place in October.

I hope it goes well and I look forward to working with Mr. Wrafter on some of the themes we have discussed today.

I hope our friends in the Visitors Gallery are listening and that the ambassadors are ready to throw their weight behind our request for support.

It is very challenging and I would not underestimate the strength of the four serious competitors. Every vote will be important to us. I compliment the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade on its work to date in canvassing support and using every resource we have, not least, the Minister of State, Deputy Joe Costello, who has just returned from Ethiopia. I have two questions. There was mention of the priorities if elected. There are 47 members on the council and some of the priorities, such as freedom of religion or belief, are perfectly understandable. There was also a comment about promoting "greater human rights protection" in specific areas of the world. Why was the Middle East chosen, along with Iran, Burma and North Korea? In the work being done, Nigeria is an area of conflict, with Christians having come from Sudan. Senator Walsh mentioned those of the Coptic faith. The witnesses highlighted some specific reasons but perhaps they might explain why this is so.

How can the delicate balance of freedom of religion or belief be balanced with the promotion of gender equality in the fundamentalist Muslim or Jewish world?

There are also Christians.

I am speaking about particular religious beliefs of Jews and Muslims with regard to the gender relationship. Jews do not go into a mosque any more than Muslims go to a synagogue and there are very specific cultural and religious differences. People would argue, mainly in the West, that Muslims discriminate against women, and I could argue that traditional Hasidic Jews discriminate against women as well. How can one balance the freedom of religion and belief against gender equality?

Some Protestant evangelical sects have the same views.

I welcome the clarity of the presentation, which was very good. Normally a politician would welcome the odds of four candidates for three positions, and I believe it should not be a major challenge. There is an upcoming panel discussion on HIV and AIDS, and there was mention of freedom of expression on the Internet. Freedom of expression and association are important components of any human rights process and they are enshrined in our Constitution. How would this be policed? Freedom of expression through the other media is subject to certain laws to prevent abuse. We are promoting this idea so how can we deal with infractions or abuses?

The programme for Government was mentioned, specifically a move to restore Ireland's standing as an influential member of the European Union. It is a piece of political sophistry, as Ireland has always had a good reputation, both within the EU and abroad, and I know that will probably stand us in good stead in this election.

I agree with all the priorities listed, although I might suggest an additional point for consideration, the trafficking of people for labour and sexual exploitation. There was a programme on television last night detailing this significant issue, and I know it is a priority of the Organization for Security and Co-Operation in Europe, which we will chair this year. I would like to think we could transpose this into the document.

If the Senator proposes that, I second it.

I so propose. I thank Senator Norris. It is another unholy alliance. One element is a concern and I would be less than honest if I did not mention it. It is important that the list of priorities be dealt with equally. I am concerned, particularly given recent announcements, about the proposal by the Clontarf branch of the Labour Party. I have had representations on the issue. As this will come under the aegis of the party, I am concerned that two fundamental breaches of human rights are being put forward for adoption as party policy. I ask that a senior member of the Labour Party should disavow that kind of thinking and disassociate from it. I would hate to think we would take on a human rights position on the international stage with the possibility of any of this mentality or influence contaminating international human rights applications.

Perhaps Senator Walsh might consider joining the party, as he would have the opportunity to debate the motion to which he refers at our conference in Galway. That matter has been satisfactorily addressed for everybody, as far as most of us are concerned.

I will deal with the matter in hand and pose a question on the mechanics of the election. It has been indicated in previous contributions that there is a potential happy coincidence if we are to be successfully elected to this body, as there will be an overlap with the EU Presidency. How is that set of circumstances being used to our advantage and how are we exploiting that in the election campaign? Are we taking a common approach with certain EU members who would share our views on the human rights agenda? I would venture that all would probably share our general principles in that regard. If it is not letting the cat out of the bag, the witnesses might enlighten me as to how those circumstances are being exploited to our advantage.

I thank the delegation for the presentation. It would be remiss of the committee not to mention the work of former President Mary Robinson in the area, and I am sure the experience we have had through her work as UN Commissioner on Human Rights will be an advantage in the campaign for membership. Nobody can disagree with the priorities but I note cultural differences. There are cultural elements in certain countries, especially in the Middle East, which I have seen at first hand.

It may be our objective to apply our cultural norms but there is much ground to be gained to convince certain cultures and states to consider those ideas. Civil society is very important. I recently visited a country and its civil society does not have the freedom to express itself, and there is a negativity in that respect. Addressing such issues in those countries can also be negative and there must be a subtle way of persuading, rather than demanding, change. Will the witnesses indicate their experience of these areas and how best to address such matters?

Gender equality in one country may not be the same as gender equality in another country or culture, for example. The issue of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights might be subjective but we all agree with freedom of religion or belief or disbelief. That is implied. It looks like a simple list of priorities but when one examines it, these are extremely complex areas in an international cultural forum. I apologise because I may have to leave before the end of the meeting because I have a matter on Topical Issues in the Dáil. If I have to leave early, I ask the Chairman to excuse me.

Does Senator Daly want to make a brief remark?

Yes. I just want to wish the Department of Foreign Affairs officials the best of luck in their endeavours. It will not be an easy task. We might do a joint ticket, as they do in American presidential elections. Our neutrality has served us well over the years, as Deputy Durkan knows, and countries would support us on that basis.

Can we move on?

We are seen by countries all over the world as having a neutral stance.

Could the Senator please stick with the issue?

Yes, Chairman. I have no doubt that we will prevail on this occasion. It is our first outing and I know there is serious competition but when it comes to Ireland's standards relative to some of the countries we are up against, we might be successful on this one.

I will take one last comment from Senator Mullins.

I want to welcome Mr. Wrafter and his colleagues. I thank him for a comprehensive report on the whole process, including the prioritisation of issues. As a previous speaker said, it looks as if the odds will be in our favour. I presume, however, that when one gets into an election of this type it will be difficult. Hopefully, Ireland's track record in the human rights field and the excellent work done by many people from this country over the years in promoting human rights throughout the world, will count. At our last meeting, we discussed Ireland's commitment to overseas aid. Despite these difficult economic times, we are still contributing handsomely to people less fortunate than ourselves. Hopefully, our overall track record will help in this respect.

I support Senator Walsh's point about including the trafficking of women for prostitution on the list of priorities. All of us who saw last night's Prime Time programme were horrified by it. This is a major issue which needs to be addressed, so I would like to see Ireland taking a leading role in trying to tackle this major human rights violation against vulnerable people. It would be laudable to include this issue on the Department’s list of priorities.

I wish Mr. Wrafter and our ambassadors around the world every success. It is important for Ireland to succeed in this particular election because we have a major contribution to make. I am pleased that our standing abroad is good. Our overall international standing has been greatly enhanced by the work undertaken by both the Taoiseach and Tánaiste. I wish Mr. Wrafter continued success.

I will ask Senator Norris to be very brief.

Having consulted with Senator Walsh, may I make one suggestion? I would prefer the word "persons" rather than "women" to be used. It is not an anti-woman thing, it is because a small number of men are involved as well as a larger number of under age males, young boys, who are trafficked. To confine it to women would be a mistake, although I am not saying that with any anti-woman feeling.

That point is taken. I call on Mr. Wrafter to reply now. He does not have to answer questions on the Clontarf report, and I do not expect him to do so.

Mr. Colin Wrafter

I am grateful Chairman. How are we for time?

We are fine. It is important that the members get a comprehensive reply, with the exception of Senator Walsh's comments.

Deputy Bernard Durkan

He can ignore most of it, and poor Senator Daly as well.

I think Senator Daly has another meeting.

I apologise for having to leave early but I will get the minutes. I had a conversation with my colleagues outside. I asked for this next briefing but unfortunately I have another meeting at 4 p.m.

The answers to the Senator's questions will be in the public domain. I call on Mr. Wrafter to reply.

Mr. Colin Wrafter

I should apologise because perhaps I should have been slightly clearer in my presentation. There are five candidates for three seats: Ireland, Greece, Germany, the United States and Sweden, in no particular order. It is quite a tough contest.

The Chairman and some other members mentioned the possibility of assisting us in the campaign, and I would be grateful for such assistance. If the Chairman does not mind, I might take that up with the clerk to the committee afterwards.

Will a resolution be forwarded?

Mr. Colin Wrafter

I would like to chat to the Secretary General first, if the Senator does not mind, for tactical reasons.

Yes. That is all right.

Mr. Colin Wrafter

A number of members have, quite correctly, spoken about our standing and mentioned particularly the former President Mary Robinson, which is an extremely important point. What we are bringing to the table is not just the Government or the Department of Foreign Affairs, but also our standing which has been well earned over the years for all the various reasons that members have mentioned. They are quite right to recall that.

When we were drafting the presentation, I had difficulty with using the word "priorities" because by definition if one person's human rights are being violated, everybody else's human rights are being violated. It is not a perfect world and the standards are quite high. Therefore, if somebody is being discriminated against because of their religion, while the next person is being discriminated against because of their sexual orientation, both are being discriminated against. In a sense - and Senator Walsh mentioned this - all priorities should be treated equally. He has touched on a fundamentally important point there. It is almost impossible to distinguish between the various kinds of human rights because if human rights are to be applied, they are to be applied everywhere to all people on the principle of non-discrimination.

Deputy Byrne asked me why we picked certain areas of the world and not others, which is an entirely legitimate question. Part of the answer is that, for example, in the case of African countries where we have gender issues - or LGBT issues, which Senator Norris mentioned - we have an avenue or means of communication through bilateral contacts because of our standing as Irish aid donors. A good example of this is the anti-gay legislation in Malawi, which came out in the last day or two. We are monitoring that quite closely and have intervened in the past on that particular case. I am sure we will do so again in the future. To answer the Deputy's question, a lot of the issues which come to the UN are ones through which we have no other avenue to deal with them.

In the case of North Korea, Syria and Burma, there are standing resolutions or agenda items on these issues. We have always taken a proactive approach and will continue to do so. Sometimes, however, the UN Human Rights Council simply cannot take action. It tried to take action last year in the Yemen and was simply blocked; the voting went against us. It took relatively strong action on Libya but it is obviously a matter of regret that it was not able to take action on the Yemen.

Deputy Nash asked about the presidency and membership of the UN Human Rights Council, if we are elected. He is making a good point. As other members have said, there is also the OSCE chairmanship which lasts for this calendar year. We are conscious that the UNHRC membership would come immediately after the OSCE chairmanship, and that it would overlap with the EU Presidency. It will provide us with opportunities and also with challenges.

In the EU and wider international context, we work with like-minded countries on various issues. I apologise for reverting to it, but on the resolution last June on LGBT, we were part of a cross-regional group, working with other Europeans and non-Europeans - principally, but not only, South Africa - to advance the particular cause.

I would like to say a few words about Syria and if the Chairman does not mind I will read from my notes because I want to give a comprehensive reply. Of course, the Government is deeply concerned about the current situation in Syria, including the violent repression against large numbers of people who have simply been trying to express their right to freedom of expression whether in the streets or on-line. The UN estimates that more than 5,400 people have been killed since March, and torture and intimidation of peaceful citizens continues. These actions are completely unacceptable and a violation of the Syrian Government's responsibility and its obligation to protect its citizens.

Ireland and the European Union have condemned the violence, called for restraint and dialogue, and imposed sanctions on Syria to persuade it to change its approach. However, the situation has deteriorated dangerously in recent weeks, with increased numbers of killings, torture and other human rights atrocities. We welcome the peace plan brought forward by the Arab League which calls for a ceasefire and the withdrawal of government forces from besieged towns, as well as moves towards a political transition. It is deeply disappointing that Russia and China have vetoed a UN Security Council resolution which all other members of the Council supported. We will continue, with our partners in the European Union, to put pressure on the Assad regime until the violence against civilians and other human rights abuses come to an end and a democratic transition begins.

On the role of the Internet, this is an area in which the United Nations is only beginning to get involved. It raises a great deal of issues in regard to freedom of expression and regulation. Just as there should be freedom of expression for people on the street or freedom for the print media, there should also, in so far as possible, be freedom of expression on the Internet. It is a case not so much of supporting ongoing work but of promoting the concept of protecting human rights in the context of freedom of expression.

We have proposed that the eradication of the trafficking of persons for labour or sexual exploitation should be one of our priorities. In addition, it strikes me that there is a glaring omission from the priorities Mr. Wrafter listed. If a homosexual or lesbian cannot get a job, his or her human rights are bring infringed. However, if that person is about to be killed, the inability to secure employment will not be uppermost in his or her mind. Respect for life and human dignity is a fundamental human right, but human life has been devalued in many places, by criminal gangs, for example, but also by states. Unfortunately, this has been sidelined by other aspects of human rights which, while important in themselves, are not as important as the right to life. These two issues - the right to life and the eradication of human trafficking - should be included in our list of priorities. That might well strengthen our campaign for election to the Council.

Will Mr. Wrafter address the priority of gender equality in the context of the complexities of the world in which we live?

Mr. Colin Wrafter

I apologise to Senator Jim Walsh - his proposal on people trafficking is entirely relevant and I should have mentioned it in my initial reply. I absolutely take his point about individuals' right to life.

Will Mr. Wrafter add these two issues to the list?

Mr. Colin Wrafter

It is not for me to say-----

I propose that both be added.

Mr. Wrafter has noted that request.

Mr. Colin Wrafter

Absolutely; it is a point well made.

In response to Deputy Eric Byrne who will correct me if I have misunderstood, what we are talking about is freedom of religion and gender equality. Freedom of religion essentially means that people have a right to believe or, as Deputy Dan Neville put it, a right to disbelieve, as well as a right to change their religion. Gender equality is concerned not exclusively but in particular with the rights of women which are not universally respected throughout the world. I do not see a fundamental inconsistency between the two, but perhaps I am missing the Deputy's point.

We are discussing our priorities for action if we are elected to the United Nations Human Rights Council. One of the bullet points refers specifically to the promotion of gender equality. My point is that there are cultural and religious influences in terms of what might to be deemed to amount to gender inequality in a particular society. It is an academic point, but I am interested in teasing out how one balances the promotion of gender equality and the recognition of the right to hold religious beliefs.

Mr. Colin Wrafter

The Deputy makes a valid point, one which was also alluded to by Deputy Dan Neville. It is important to recognise that human rights are universal. The human rights of a woman in Saudi Arabia are the same as those of a woman in Ireland, or at least they should be. Unfortunately, that is not always the case in practice. What we must do, if we are elected to the United Nations Human Rights Council, particularly through the universal periodic review, UPR, process which I mentioned in my presentation, is to encourage all countries to give effect to human rights. Voting rights for women and protection from sexual violence are two examples of rights in the gender equality area that must be realised. There are cultural contexts, including particular religious contexts, but that does not change the fundamental objective of promoting and protecting human rights for all, without discrimination.

I very much welcome the position we have taken on this issue. It is very important that it be promoted diplomatically, with respect for people's sensitivities and so on. However, there is no doubt that the sufferings of people in this area and the discrimination they experience spring from primitive religious ideas. I assume Deputy Eric Byrne shares my view that these ideas should, where possible, be challenged. I certainly would not wish to see antagonism on the basis of gender or sexual orientation supported or criticism of it suspended simply because of an entrenched cultural position in certain areas. We must bring those groups and nations which discriminate in this way to an understanding of the human reality of others.

I was recently reminded of something which illustrates the utter hypocrisy on these issues. I am not technologically proficient and in order to access Al Jazeera, CNN and BBC on my television when I travel to Cyprus, I have to go through 1,400 channels which include 38 which promote conservative religious views, balanced exactly by 38 pornographic channels which tend to boast about what is described as "hardcore lesbian action". Apparently, one has to pay for this service via credit card; therefore, I have never seen the content, but the credit cards listed across the top of the screen are almost all in Arabic. That points to the hypocrisy involved, which should be exposed. People must be brought to a greater understanding of the complex nature of other people and the need to respect their rights. If it comes to a competition between cultural sensitivity and human rights, I very much hope human rights will prevail.

I thank Mr. Wrafter and his officials for updating the committee on the campaign under way to secure Ireland's election to the United Nations Human Rights Council. If we succeed in being elected, we will be in an excellent position to play a meaningful role in the promotion and protection of human rights worldwide, which is a priority of the committee and a strong feature of our work programme for the coming year. I wish the departmental officials and the Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade well in their campaign. The Tánaiste has a very busy year ahead in his chairmanship of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. That will be of great advantage to us in seeking to secure a seat on the United Nations Human Rights Council. I hope we are successful in our endeavours.

The joint committee went into private session at 4.10 p.m. and adjourned at 5 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 15 February 2012.
Top
Share