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JOINT COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE, EQUALITY, DEFENCE AND WOMEN'S RIGHTS debate -
Tuesday, 25 Nov 2008

Policy on Prosecutions: Discussion with DPP.

I welcome Mr. James Hamilton, Director of Public Prosecutions. Before commencing, I wish to advise that we will receive a presentation which will be followed by a question and answer session.

I draw attention to the fact that while members of the committee have absolute privilege this same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee which cannot guarantee any level of privilege to witnesses appearing before it. Further, under the salient rulings of the Chair, members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against any person outside the Houses or an official, either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. Before I invite Mr. Hamilton to begin, I advise members that Mr. Hamilton is not in a position to comment on or answer questions in regard to a particular case. I, therefore, ask members to keep our discussions to the change in policy on giving reasons for decisions by the DPP not to prosecute.

I understand this is the first time the DPP has attended an Oireachtas justice committee and I know the members are happy to have him here. It will help us get a better insight into how his office operates and how decisions are come by. I invite Mr. Hamilton to introduce his colleagues and to then make his presentation.

Mr. James Hamilton

I am accompanied by Mr. Barry Donoghue, deputy director of the office; Mr. Declan Hoban, head of administration; and Ms Kate Mulkerrins, head of the prosecution policy unit. I should correct the Chairman as I have appeared before this committee on a previous occasion when it was chaired by his predecessor, unless I am confusing two committees.

I believe that concerned the children's issue.

Mr. James Hamilton

Yes. I also appeared some years ago on another occasion. I have appeared before Oireachtas committees on several occasions.

I will begin by setting out what we have done and the thinking behind our approach. The obvious starting point is the traditional view adopted by my office, including by my predecessor and, before that, by the Office of the Attorney General when the latter performed the function of prosecutor. It is probably best summed up in a statement made by my predecessor in response to public concern about a particular case where he decided to discontinue a charge. He observed that it was always his wish, if some way could be found so to do, to give reasons and explanations to people for his decisions. He put it thus:

If some method can be devised whereby the director could, without doing injustice, inform the public of the reasons for his decisions, he will very willingly put it into operation. From time to time, his office is subject to criticism arising from its inability to respond to inquiries from interested parties such as the victim of a crime or the family of such a victim. Unfortunately, the director is unaware of any method in which reasons can be given without, in many cases, doing injustice.

He was referring here to the danger that giving reasons for a decision might, in some cases, imply that one believed a particular person was guilty of an offence, thereby condemning that person in public opinion without any opportunity for self-defence. In addition, there were other cases where giving a reason might reveal a confidential source, confidential police methods, confidential information or something of that type.

It has always been recognised that there are cases where one could not give any reason other than in general terms. The view was taken at the time that if a reason were given in one case, the same would have be done in every case. That view was in line with general practice in other common law countries. The situation is generally different in civil law countries where instead of the process taking place in the prosecutor's office, it operates in a more open way in front of a magistrate who effectively opens a file and hears the evidence about the case, whether in public or at least with a degree of formality that does not arise where a file is simply considered by a prosecutor.

That remained the position for some time. In 2003, there was a decision of the European Court of Human Rights which arose out of a case in Northern Ireland where, as far as I recall, a death had occurred in circumstances where the deceased was shot by the police or the army. The court held that this matter cut across the question of the obligation to protect the right to life under Article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights. The court found that the obligation under the convention to secure to everybody within its jurisdiction the rights and freedoms defined thereunder also required by implication that there should be some effective and official investigative mechanism when individuals are killed as a result of the use of force. Such investigations must also be effective in the sense that they are capable of leading to a determination of whether the force used in such cases was or was not justified in the circumstances and to the identification and punishment of those responsible.

The decision of the court addressed the question of whether the Northern Ireland prosecutor was required under Article 2 to give reasons for a decision not to prosecute:

The court recalls that the DPP is an independent legal officer charged with the responsibility to decide whether to bring prosecutions in respect of any possible criminal offences committed by a police officer. He is not required to give reasons for any decision not to prosecute and in this case, he did not do so. No challenge by way of judicial review exists to require him to give reasons in Northern Ireland.

The decision referred to the fact that in England and Wales, inquest juries could still deliver verdicts which effectively made findings of liability. It went on to say:

The court does not doubt the independence of the DPP. However, where the police investigation procedure is itself open to doubts of a lack of independence and is not amenable to public scrutiny, it is of increased importance that the officer who decides whether or not to prosecute also gives an appearance of independence in his decision-making, where no reasons are given. In a controversial incident involving the lethal use of force, this may in itself not be conducive to public confidence. It also denies the family of the victim access to information about a matter of crucial importance to them and prevents any legal challenge of the decision. In this case, Pearse Jordan was shot and killed while unarmed. It is a situation which, to borrow the words of the domestic courts, cries out for an explanation. The applicant was, however, not informed of why the shooting was regarded as not disclosing a criminal offence or as not meriting a prosecution of the officer concerned. There was no reasoned decision available to reassure a concerned public that the rule of law had been respected. This cannot be regarded as compatible with the requirements of Article 2 unless that information was forthcoming in some other way. This, however, is not the case.

As a result of the Jordan decision, we were in a position where we would have to consider, at the very minimum, making a change in policy to cover a case where a death occurred involving agents of the State, whether gardaí, prison officers, Army members and so on. I was also aware at this time that the practice in other common law states had changed. In the course of the 1990s, for example, there was a change in practice in most of the Australian states towards a policy that, where possible, reasons would be given to victims or to the families of victims in fatal cases. In England, in 2002, the Crown Prosecution Service again made a change in its practice. In all these instances, while recognising that there were cases where a reason could not be given, the policy was shifted to one of giving a reason where that could be done without injustice. Scotland followed suit in 2005 or thereabouts. I understand Northern Ireland also has a policy of offering reasons, although only in a very general sense.

As a result of these developments, we decided to publish a discussion paper in which we set out the arguments for and against a variety of possible responses, ranging from a maintenance of the existing position with only the minimal change required to implement the Jordan decision through to a far broader policy whereby we would give reasons in all cases, with several possible variants in between. We invited interested parties to address various issues arising from this discussion paper. We asked whether the current policy should be changed and, if so, whether reasons should be given only to those with a direct interest, such as victims of crime or their relations, or whether reasons should also be given to the public at large. If reasons were to be given, we asked whether they should be general or detailed, whether they should be given in all cases or only in certain categories of serious crime and, if so, which categories. We asked how this could be done without encroaching on the constitutional right to one's good name and the presumption of innocence. We asked whether the communication of reasons should attract legal privilege, how cases where a reason could not be given without injustice should be dealt with, and by whom and by what means should reasons be communicated.

We received a good response to that consultation process. A total of 82 responses were submitted, several of them from prominent organisations including the Garda Síochána, the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission, the Law Society, the Office of the Information Commissioner, the Health and Safety Authority and the national counselling service for adults with a history of childhood abuse, as well as several lawyers, organisations working with victims and promoting human rights, and some private individuals. We analysed and summarised these responses in the report we issued on 22 October 2008 and in which we announced a limited change in the policy on a pilot basis. I understand copies of the submissions received have been circulated to members of the committee. They are also available on our website.

Following our consideration of the various responses we received, we conducted two internal seminars for staff because we considered it important to ascertain their views on how we should proceed. We also conducted a seminar for invited people, who in the main were those who had made written submissions, as well as some others. As a result, I decided I should make a change, albeit not in a "big bang" manner as I did not believe it would be wise to try to give reasons in every case. I thought it would be better to conduct a pilot project and to give reasons in a particular category of important cases. Effectively, these comprise alleged offences when a death has occurred and include murder, manslaughter, infanticide, workplace fatalities and fatal road traffic accidents, which obviously are the most serious cases one can envisage. The intention is that we will give reasons only to the families or members of the household of those concerned or to their legal or medical advisers or social workers acting on their behalf. The intention is to do this in respect of any cases that occurred on or after the date on which the policy change was announced, namely, 22 October 2008. In cases in which we decide not to prosecute, we will give a reason on request to people in that position.

We decided we would give such reasons in writing, rather than during a meeting with people, for a number of reasons. One is the question of resources, as having meetings would be much more resource-intensive and would be quite difficult. In addition, however, while it may seem rather cold and heartless to opt for doing something in writing rather than face to face, the advantage is one can choose one's words carefully and can be absolutely clear about what one is saying. Were one to meet a person, one may phrase something slightly differently than one had intended or it may be picked up wrongly by the person hearing it. One should bear in mind the circumstances in which one will meet people, who are likely to be quite vulnerable having lost a loved one in distressing circumstances. Consequently, the scope for possible misunderstanding can be multiplied in such situations and even were there not a resourcing question, I believe there would be quite strong arguments, initially at any rate, for dealing with such cases in writing.

We have also decided to try to give as detailed a reason as possible. While it is difficult to define this, the manner in which I phrased it was that people would be given the real reason, in order that they would understand. The reason would be such that it would enable them to understand the reason the decision was taken. If possible, they would be given a reason that was more than simply a rather general and bland matter.

Our intention is to monitor the operation of this policy during 2009. The monitoring will focus on two separate matters in particular. The first pertains to the manner in which it operates in so far as our staff are concerned in respect of their experience and its implications for the office's organisation and how we do our business. Second and more important, it will focus on the manner in which it is received by the families of victims of fatal crimes. It is our intention that in so doing, we will work closely with the Garda family liaison officers, who recently have begun to be appointed. I understand a number of further tranches of appointments are to be made. However, the idea is that the Garda will have dedicated family liaison officers who will deal with the families of victims of crime and will keep them informed of the progress of investigations.

The intention is that when we are requested for a reason and are sending out a letter, we will do so through the Garda authorities, that is, through the superintendent and the family liaison officers, if such have been appointed. We then will seek feedback from them as to whether people have understood the communication, whether they found it user-friendly and so forth. We also intend, inasmuch as possible, to draft these letters in a way that will be understood by people who do not necessarily have a legal background as people probably will have such a background in very few cases. We also have had discussions with the adult literacy organisation with a view to considering how we can make such communication as user-friendly as possible.

It also is important to note that this new policy is in addition to our long-standing policies on the rights of victims and their families, as expressed in the victim's charter. Such policies include one in respect of which Ireland possibly is unique, which is that if possible, we will review a prosecution decision on the request of a victim of his or her family. We also will review a decision on the request of the Garda Síochána and such reviews are quite regularly sought. When this happens, the matter then will be looked at by a different officer from the one who took the original decision. It may well be looked at by the deputy director or by me in certain cases.

There are some cases where we clearly cannot review a decision. For example, had I made the decision myself, in the absence of some further facts coming to light about which we had been unaware, the original decision would stand. However, we regularly review decisions and a significant number of them are changed. The original decision stands in most cases because it is accepted that it was taken for good reason but we change our view in respect of some decisions.

A second measure that we have been doing to an increasing extent is to offer a meeting with victims or their families before a trial in serious cases. This can be early in the process or, more likely, it can be shortly before the trial. The main purpose is to explain to people the procedures in court, what is going to happen, the manner in which the case will operate and so forth. For example, when dealing with a murder trial in which a question of whether to accept a plea to manslaughter may arise, increasingly it is the practice that victims are kept informed about such a process and their views are sought. Such views would not necessarily determine how we would approach this because we ultimately must make the decision. However, we listen to what they have to say and take into account any relevant opinions they might express.

The third measure we might take is to consider reviewing an unduly lenient sentence on the request of a victim or his or her relation. Apart from that, I have procedures in place to try our best to ensure that all sentences that appear to be possibly unduly lenient are reviewed in the office. It is important to so do, rather than simply responding when a fuss arises over something in the media. There is a danger that sentences which are unduly lenient but about which there is no publicity, which sometimes can happen, would fall through the net and not be considered. Consequently, a procedure exists whereby in each case, the solicitor who deals with it and who fills out the case report form at its conclusion is required to indicate whether he or she or the counsel involved in the case considered that the sentence might be unduly lenient. If this happens, we will consider it. Unfortunately, as the time limits are very short in such cases, that is, 28 days with a possible extension of another 28 days, they need to be considered quite soon after the case is heard.

Essentially, this is where matters stand. If this is a successful project, I intend to extend it to other areas, at which point questions of course will arise, such as the question of what resources are available to deal with it. To some extent, we are not in a position to be sure of the exact resourcing implications until we have operated this policy. Although I could be wrong, my instinct is that it will slow up decision-making in the early days. This will be not so much because people do not consider cases carefully at present, which they do, but because they will be obliged to structure things in a slightly different manner when considering the manner in which they might be obliged to explain a decision to a member of the public. While this will slow people up initially, I suspect it will not make a huge difference once they become used to it. In the long term, the resource implications could be fairly neutral. There probably are some resource implications but they might be relatively small. However, this is speculative and if we do encounter a difficulty, in that it turns out to be more resource-intensive than we had expected, it could create a problem. It is part of what the pilot project must evaluate and part of what we must assess when deciding whether to extend it.

I would wish to next extend it, if we are able to so do, to the area of rape and other sexual offences. I am aware there was great disappointment among the rape crisis centres that it was not included from the outset. My own instinct was that starting with a relatively small project, albeit one that deals with important cases, would be a more effective way to operate. When we do something for the first time, we learn lessons, problems arise and unanticipated issues might be encountered. It is easier to address them in a small project before extending it. Irrespective of whether people agreed, this is what we decided on.

That is everything in a nutshell. As I stated at a seminar a couple of weeks ago, some people speak of accountability, but it is not an exercise in accountability to victims. The position remains that we act on behalf of the community as a whole and prosecutions are brought in the name of the people. We do not just have regard to the rights of victims; we must also have regard to the rights of the accused and the community as a whole, our primary focus. Rather than accountability, it is a matter of fairness and a recognition that, if possible, someone more affected by a crime than anyone else should be in a position to know why a decision that will affect his or her life in a deep and important way was taken. In our discussions with victims' organisations, their inability to get reasons for decisions is what they all feel most strongly about.

I am available to answer questions on this policy and the changes therein.

I welcome Mr. Hamilton to the committee. In terms of the pillars of democracy and notwithstanding the independence of the office, it is important that there be a level of communication and interaction between the Legislature and the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions, an example of which we are seeing today. I cannot but help commenting on how long this has taken. The statement referred to by the director was made in 1983, since when little progress has been made on the reasons project. In the past 12 months, a significant amount of progress has been made. The director's plan for ensuring that matters of genuine concern will be addressed is heartening, notwithstanding the fact that the office is not a victims' office, but an office of the public. However, all victims and their families are members of the public.

A report has noted that on the recommendation of the Garda in the first instance, no prosecution was taken in 2,800 cases sent to the DPP last year. Victims of crime are, for a considerable period, under the impression that a case being with the DPP is a part of the prosecuting process. The victim believes that if the file is in the office, a prosecution is likely. Will this be subject to change in so far as the victim will not be given an expectation by the Garda? If almost 3,000 cases are not prosecuted, greater interaction between the victims and Garda is required.

In terms of communication, the director stated that his office will write to the victims only and that, on the basis of resources, he has ruled out a meeting with officials. Would the office envisage a meeting if resources were such to allow it? Will the director elaborate on the type of circumstances in which a meeting might be appropriate? I ask this having regard to the cold nature of the correspondence, which will always be couched in what many regard as legal jargon, notwithstanding communication with adult literacy groups. There may be good reasons for this, but our libel laws in particular mandate cold letters that couch reasons for non-prosecutions in general terms. In what circumstances would reasons be made public to persons other than victims or their families, for example, cases that attract particular media attention or give rise to considerable public concern? How would this convention be ring-fenced?

Regarding the Garda family mediation officer, is there a significant degree of confidential communication between the office of the director and the Garda in all cases? The Garda would express a result to the individual or family. If meetings with victims do not take place directly, should the next step be to hold meetings with the Garda to ensure a greater level of communication?

The director has no right of appeal from the District Court. In what circumstances would this situation change?

Mr. James Hamilton

On average and from a total of 10,500 files, a decision is made not to prosecute in approximately 3,000 files each year. These are our most recent figures. One should not assume that those files were cases in which the Garda recommended prosecution, as that is not the case. We require that certain types of case be sent to us. However, we will make a change in one type, as there is no reason for those files to be sent to us. In every fatal road traffic accident case, it is the practice to send us a file even where it is a single vehicle accident in which the driver has been killed. There is no possibility of a prosecution. Of the approximately 200 fatal road accident files that we receive per year, nearly half fall into this category. That tends to skew our statistics, apart from anything else. Our statistics for road traffic accidents show a very high non-prosecution rate but that includes a huge number of cases where there could not conceivably be a prosecution because the person primarily responsible for the accident is dead. Similarly, all rape complaints come to the office even in cases where the evidence is insufficient and where the Garda Síochána does not recommend a prosecution but the requirement is to send such files to us. Most of the 3,000 cases may be ones where the Garda Síochána does recommend prosecution but the total includes a number of other cases.

We do not rule out the possibility of moving in the direction of a meeting in the future. From talking to colleagues abroad, I know some have strong views that this is a better way to go. Others have a different view, one gets a variety of opinion on this. It is not just a question of resources. Initially, I see advantages in confining this to written communication while we are finding our feet so as to be absolutely clear on what we are telling people and that they understand the message given. I do not rule out moving to a different system when we see how the experience is. There may be some cases where a meeting may be appropriate some time in the future. We decided not to start on that route. The training implications for our staff would be massive if we were to train people to conduct such meetings. It is not just a case of resources, although it is partly.

We will try to avoid legal jargon. I am reasonably good at avoiding it most of the time but all lawyers are conscious that we must be precise but not necessarily cold. We will do our best with the communications to be sympathetic to people. The important matter is to deliver a clear message.

Regarding giving reasons to the media, I accept there are cases where there can be public concern. In the UK, the DPP has gone public in a number of cases relating to arms deals in either the Gulf or Saudi Arabia and the cash for honours complaints, which involved people close to the Prime Minister. I did not rule out the possibility but I am not enthusiastic about it unless there was a compelling case for doing it. As a general rule it is not something we would want to do.

The idea is that family liaison officers meet the families of victims or victims of crime. It is our intention to use the service so that they can communicate particular concerns that victims have about a case. We can take matters up from there.

We envisage a greater role in the training process of the Garda family liaison officers. We have a role in training gardaí and regularly provide our own officers to travel to Templemore for lectures, classes or discussions of legal points with trainee gardaí. So far as the question of giving the reasons for decisions is concerned, we envisage being involved in training the family liaison officers who will deal with people.

Regarding the right to appeal from the District Court, traditionally, once a case is decided on the merits, the prosecution did not have the right of appeal. The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform is proposing to change that in a limited number of cases. When someone is acquitted at the District Court, I am not in favour of giving the prosecution the right to appeal on the merits to the Circuit Court.

Whether we should have the right of appeal regarding sentence has been raised. There are a number of problems. One is a matter of practicality because of the number of cases dealt with in the District Court. A second is that the nature of the District Court means that it does not keep transcripts in the way the Circuit Court does. Getting information about what happened in the District Court can be quite difficult. When dealing with judicial review cases, for example, it can be extremely difficult to be 100% certain who said what if there is a dispute. We tend to rely on affidavits from the clerk of the court or solicitors who were present. I do not envisage it being a practical proposition to give us some appeal from the District Court to the Circuit Court, even in respect of sentence. Some classes of case, such as drunken driving or dangerous driving, may be rather more serious than some of the other cases being dealt with in that court. None the less, it is not something I would be particularly enthusiastic about.

There was one question that Mr. Hamilton did not address. Deputy Flanagan alluded to it and I wanted to raise it as well. When giving reasons for the decision not to prosecute, is the prosecuting Garda team informed of the reasons for that? Is that the practice up to now or will it be a new practice?

Mr. James Hamilton

It has been the practice. That would be normal where there has been a detailed consideration of a file. Where the officer has gone into some detail, it would be quite common that a detailed reason would be sent to the Garda Síochána. That can be important because the decision not to prosecute may not be final. There may be gaps in the evidence that can be plugged by the Garda Síochána or the Garda Síochána may obtain further statements. It is quite common to write back and refer to the matters that we need to know about if we were to consider a prosecution. We can identify possible evidence that could be obtained.

This could also inform the Garda Síochána in respect of other cases it is taking.

Mr. James Hamilton

Of course.

I have one other question before calling Deputy Rabbitte. The new policy sets out the reasons for decisions not to prosecute or to continue a prosecution. The policy sets out the people informed of this decision. What about the accused in a case where a prosecution is discontinued? In the eyes of the law, that person is innocent. Should that person not be made aware of the reason a case was discontinued against him or her?

Mr. James Hamilton

That is quite a difficult situation. Much depends on what the reason was. I could envisage reasons where one would give a reasons in court. For example, if there was evidence that showed conclusively that the person charged could not have done it, such as if a DNA test showed it was someone else. Then, clearly that person is entitled to have his or her name vindicated. In other cases one could not go into it because there may be ongoing investigations and one would not be in a position to be fully frank, especially not with someone still the subject of an investigation. One might find that one could not communicate in many cases.

I agree with what Deputy Flanagan stated in welcoming the director and his colleagues. It is a positive and progressive development that we have the opportunity for an exchange of views with the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions and the opportunity to hear him explain an important new initiative such as this. It would have been unheard of in the past and the step taken with the pilot project is a courageous one. Instinctively I agree with it but I struggle a lot with it. Perhaps this is because I do not have enough knowledge about it. However, I have never experienced this as an inhibitory factor in reaching a clear decision. Therefore, I am concerned about why, on this occasion, there are still questions in my mind.

In the world in which we live today, in some circumstances conveying a decision not to prosecute to the affected family or household and legal advisers would be the same as issuing a general press release to the media. I was involved in cases where a terrible tragedy befell a family and the media kept a close eye on the progress of the cases. In many cases the distressed family affected would be minded to tell all in so far as they know all to the media and sometimes it seems the only redress available to the family members is to tell all to the media. Where does Mr. Hamilton draw the line on this in terms of one's constitutional right to one's good name? It has not yet happened but one can easily foresee a case which becomes a matter of public controversy and people tend to draw inferences from what is in the public domain.

With regard to the balance of the 82 submissions received, many from individual lawyers apart from official bodies such as the Law Society, did many lawyers express vehement opposition to going down this road, notwithstanding the Jordan case which was confined to where the death was caused by a State agent? Does Mr. Hamilton now detect acquiescence even in sceptical areas to the project? Is it his belief or hope that after monitoring the project for a reasonable time, people who held strong views against changing the status quo might now be on board?

I heard what Mr. Hamilton stated to Deputy Charles Flanagan about road traffic accidents. None the less, 3,000 files even out of a throughput of approximately 10,000 is a high proportion. I presume it falls into all types of categories. Is the quality of preparation on a file ever an issue in terms of the decision made? Why is it occasionally the case that one knows of a file having been referred to the DPP and no decision is forthcoming? It seems to rest there for an seemingly long time.

Will Mr. Hamilton speak to those of us who do not practise on the prosecutorial side on his disposition to review a decision from time to time based on new information or a strong case put by the family or the Garda? Is the likelihood of conviction the overriding criterion in a case such as this? If this is so, does Mr. Hamilton not envisage circumstances where he will find it very difficult to give reasons to a family?

It is not unknown in the violent society in which we live now that gardaí will tell one they believe they know very well who committed a crime. However, producing evidence in court is a different issue. How is it possible to communicate this to a distressed family other than by stating that there is not enough evidence to stand up in court? What else can one usefully state in these circumstances?

I do not say any of this by way of pouring cold water on the project because it is a good development. In an increasingly violent society, we meet in our constituencies aggrieved, distressed and anguished families who cannot understand why "X" and "Y" does or does not happen. In many cases, they do not have a great familiarity with the criminal justice system. Anything that assuages this distress is positive. The Garda Síochána has a major role to play. One gets an extremely different response from affected families where the particular gardaí go out of their way to keep them informed. Some gardaí are very good at this and others less so. It matters a great deal to the people concerned.

I am instinctively in favour of the pilot project and it will be interesting to see after a reasonable period how it is deemed to work. However, I find it difficult to draw a line between believing that one is confining the communication to the family and it becoming a matter of public knowledge quickly.

Mr. James Hamilton

These are all valid points. The point that telling a family something may be the same as issuing a press release is valid. Once we tell a family or members of a household, they will be conscious that we do not have any effective means of preventing them from putting it into the public domain if they choose to do so. We thought about this and decided there is no way to prevent it absolutely. There will be risks for a newspaper which publishes information because it will probably not be a privileged communication. We would be careful when expressing the reasons that they may go into the public domain in this way and therefore that we need to express them in such a way that we do not adversely affect third party interests who might not be in a position to defend themselves, even though as far as we are concerned it is a private communication.

We should not assume that in every case people will run off to the press. In many cases, they may receive a reason which they will not particularly want to be made public and I will give an example. A complainant may have made a statement and subsequently added information and contradicted himself or herself. Such a case may end up impossible to prosecute simply because somebody gave different versions of an event at different times which cannot be reconciled. I do not mean a case where somebody forgets something but where somebody contradicts himself or herself in a material particular. If one points out to a person that there is a conflict between what he or she said immediately after the event and what he or she is now saying and that if the case were to be prosecuted, any defendant would tear the evidence to pieces because it is not consistent and would give rise to questions of credibility, it is not likely that such a person would run off and publicise the fact that he or she has contributed to the case in that way. One can think of other examples of that sort.

I know from talking to people in other jurisdictions that unless people are in a position to use the information given to them to demonstrate that they think the prosecutor is wrong, the likelihood is that the contents of the communication they receive will not help their case in terms of arguing that there should be a prosecution. The communication will, in effect, point out why there should not be a prosecution and if the person is still campaigning for such a prosecution he or she will not want to publicise such reasons. In any event, it does not seem to have been the practice in other jurisdictions that a lot of confidential information was put into the public domain. Having said that, we recognise it as a potential problem, of which we must be careful because it may happen here.

The Deputy asked about the quality of investigations or files. I cannot say that quality is never an issue, of course, because given the sheer volume of investigations, there will inevitably be bad ones. However, on the whole, the quality of the files that we get is high and most investigations are good and thorough. In many cases where there is insufficient evidence to proceed with a prosecution, it is through no fault of the investigating Garda. It can simply be that witnesses are not available or do not come forward, for whatever reason. It should not always be assumed that is due to intimidation or something sinister. There may simply have been no witness to an incident. It is not unknown to have road traffic accidents where there is an absence of any independent witness or at least one who can give a clear account of the case. Very often, those sorts of cases can essentially be one person's word against another, with a lack of any outside, objective evidence to support one side or the other.

When one looks at the number of cases where we do not take a prosecution, well over 80% are due to insufficient evidence. Last year the figure was 83% and in fact, the figure is probably greater than that because there are a certain number of cases classified as "other" which should not really be a category at all. In any event, insufficient evidence is the overwhelming reason for cases not proceeding to prosecution.

The Deputy referred to files sitting for a long time but our figures indicate that most files are dealt with very quickly. Last year, for example, 51% of files received were disposed of within two weeks, 13% within four weeks and a further 19% within three months, yielding a total of 83%. There are instances when some cases run into the ground when, for example, further evidence is sought but nothing is ever forthcoming.

The Deputy referred to communications between the Garda Síochána and victims and I agree with what he said in that regard. Some members of the Garda Síochána are very good at explaining what is going on while others do not explain situations very well. Part of the problem from our point of view is that we do not always know what people have actually been told and we have no real way of knowing whether what they have been told is accurate. Once we start to give reasons for non-prosecution, it will be quite significant in the sense that people will then get a clear account, in writing. It will be interesting to see whether that account tallies with any other information they have been given. That will be a valuable corrective in the system. At present, one simply does not know what information people get and there may be some cases where they do not get very clear or accurate information. However, that is speculation on my part. Once we make this change, we will have a much more easily monitored situation where it will be clear what people have been told and what has been explained to them.

Could Mr. Hamilton address the question regarding some particularly vehement opponents of this innovation?

Mr. James Hamilton

My apologies, Deputy. There were a few people who were strongly opposed to this change, most of whom were lawyers. However, some lawyers were also quite supportive of the change. Indeed, I can think of one quite prominent person who was strongly against this idea some years ago but who has now changed his mind on the matter and believes it is a positive move. People are giving it serious thought now and an important part of the process was to get people thinking about the matter.

I would not by any means say that the legal profession is united on the matter. Most of the opposition comes from within the profession. I also have the impression that most of it comes from those who tend to operate on the defence rather than prosecution side, although not exclusively. I do not suggest, however, that their views are to be discounted or set aside but they do have a particular way of looking at cases and are, perhaps, focusing very much on what they see as possible dangers to their own clients rather than looking at the issue from the point of view of victims.

I welcome Mr. Hamilton and also welcome the direction he is taking. I accept that the majority of cases are very clear cut, one way or the other and can be dealt with very efficiently. However, I am concerned about a number of issues, one of which is the fact that this proposal is futuristic in its outlook and that reasons for non-prosecution will only be given from a certain date in October onwards. Some headline cases give cause for concern in that context, although I understand if Mr. Hamilton would prefer not to comment on them. I live in west Cork, approximately four miles from the scene of a vicious crime involving the unfortunate demise of——

Senator, we agreed at the outset of this meeting that——

I accept that and will not mention names but I simply want to say——

I ask the Senator to generalise his point.

I am concerned about cases that drag on for 12 or 15 years, for example. Is there any point in the future where such cases can be looked at? It is unfair that in some very serious headline cases that may never be resolved, families and victims are left in a limbo situation indefinitely. Are there any circumstances in which such cases could be dealt with in two, five or ten years' time if, from the perspective of the DPP or the Garda Síochána, they will never be resolved? I ask this in the context of the old maxim that justice delayed is justice denied. In the context of cases where no progress has been made for ten or 15 years, will it be possible to bring some sort of closure for victims? Such cases may be few and far between but they make headlines.

Let us take an example of a serious crime committed this Christmas or early in 2009, where the case might drag on for a very long time, as has happened in the past. We appear to be saying now that in ten or 15 years' time, a decision might be made on such a case. If the DPP makes public through the family or a solicitor his reasons for deciding not to prosecute a case, I take it this is not the same as an acquittal. I want a reassurance that the file can be reopened if new evidence arises or DNA testing improves.

The proposal merits consideration but it is ludicrous to waste the DPP's time on cases, such as fatal road accidents, where nobody else is involved and prosecutions cannot be pursued. I would differentiate between a fatal road accident and a rape case because in the latter the victim is still alive, although emotionally damaged, and would want to believe that the DPP will do what it can to bring a prosecution. In other cases, even a trainee garda from Templemore would recognise the futility of attempting a prosecution. There should be some way of eliminating cases that cannot be prosecuted so as to avoid the costs, delays and stress of dealing with the huge numbers of files which go nowhere once they leave the Garda station.

Mr. James Hamilton

In regard to such cases, we will simply issue a direction that we do not require to see the files. Clearly, however, if there is a real possibility that somebody can be prosecuted where a death has taken place, we should examine the files. There is no question if a single vehicle ran off the road and hit a wall or a tree.

Some cases are never closed because, even if we decide there is insufficient evidence to pursue it now, we cannot exclude the possibility that evidence will arise at some date in the future. I am aware these are difficult cases for the relatives and families concerned because they never get definite closure. The possibility remains that something might happen even though a prosecution becomes more remote as time passes. I recently received a file on a murder which took place more than 20 years ago. Advances in DNA technology enabled an identification to be made on a body which could not be identified at the time and, as a result, the case can be reopened. This has frequently happened in other jurisdictions. The Garda has established a body to investigate these so-called cold cut cases and has made significant progress on a number of them. Prosecutions are probably forthcoming in cases which would have been regarded as dead five or ten years ago. I do not know what technological advances will be made in the future but, judging by the past several years, these advances are likely to continue.

In other cases, the likelihood is very low that anything will happen. In a road traffic accident, for example, one would typically know who was involved and who witnessed the event. The number of witnesses is finite and a single event transpired relatively quickly. If we are not in a position to prosecute such a case within a short period, it is unlikely that an unexpected witness will come forward at some stage in the future. Murder cases tend to be different because there person who knows something often comes forward years after the event. That has happened in the past and I am sure it will be repeated in the future. The Senator made a good point but I do not see the solution. There are very few cases which one can definitively state will never be prosecuted. Most cases will remain open while the investigation and prosecution remain unsuccessful.

I join my colleagues in welcoming the DPP and his colleagues to this important discussion. We have been well served by the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions over its relatively short period of existence. Prior to the establishment of the DPP, the Attorney General prosecuted crimes in the name of the people. The DPP has served us well and has earned great respect. Changes must be carefully introduced. I commend the DPP and his officials for the careful and methodical way in which they approach these matters. I share Deputy Rabbitte's unease, however.

I understand the DPP's decisions are not at present subject to judicial review. Will his reasons for not prosecuting become amenable to judicial review? The argument could be made that they are subject to review unless they are barred by law, which opens up the possibility of litigation in aspects of the DPP's work. I am not sure whether that is necessarily a good thing.

I completely agree with Deputy Rabbitte in regard to confidentiality and, if this change is going to be made, there should be a legal requirement that communications of this type shall remain confidential. I am not sure whether the national debates that will ensue from publishing reasons in the press will be healthy or if the balance of advantage to society is on that side. I sympathise with the victims of crime and can speak from personal experience on the issue but, as legislators, we must ask the cold question of where the balance of advantage to society lies. In my view, the strongest advantage to society is a DPP's office which is completely independent in its functions and does not look over its shoulder every time it makes a decision. That would undermine the integrity and independence of the DPP, despite his own best wishes.

Where stands the innocently accused in this? I note that the accused party is not on the DPP's list of people who are to be notified.

The DPP addressed that issue while Deputy Mulcahy was absent.

I apologise, but I was watching the proceedings on my monitor.

I am sure the DPP will be aware that the Minister is proposing to alter the rule on double jeopardy with regard to murder. Could certain situations arise once such a prosecution is taken? A prosecution is dropped and the reasons for that prosecution are communicated to somebody. Those reasons become public and later, under the new legislation, the DPP decides to re-prosecute if this law against double jeopardy becomes the law of the land. Has the DPP's office considered the implications of that potential rule change? If an accused went into court for the second time charged with the same offence and had some of the internal rationale or workings of the DPP's office, that material might be open to debate in that second prosecution. Has this issue been considered and is it relevant? I apologise for missing the other point.

Mr. James Hamilton

We are subject to judicial review but on very limited grounds. Bad faith is a possible argument in principal. I have never yet lost a case based on that but I keep my fingers crossed. The other ground would be irrationality but when one gives no reasons it is impossible for somebody to challenge one on grounds of irrationality. There is a decision which says we cannot be compelled to prosecute any more than any litigant can be compelled to bring litigation. However a court might be willing to order the DPP to reconsider the decision if it held that a decision not to prosecute was irrational. I would not expect this to happen very frequently but I cannot rule out that it might happen in some cases, so I concede that there is a risk. I have no doubt that when we change the policy, people will attempt to bring judicial review proceedings in some cases. We will have to wait and see how the courts deal with that.

I will come to double jeopardy in a moment. On the question of telling the accused, in most of these cases there will be no accused because the decision is not to prosecute. If, for example, the Garda has a suspect in mind but there is no evidence against anybody, I would envisage no communication. The decision may be that there is not enough evidence and we have an open mind on who did or did not do it.

Is this after the book of evidence has been served in the District Court?

Mr. James Hamilton

Yes, I take that point. If one had commenced a prosecution one would probably talk to victims and tell them what was happening and why the case was being dropped. We refer to cases in which evidence subsequently comes to light. The new legislation envisages very unusual circumstances where there is very definite information, such as new DNA evidence coming to light showing conclusively that somebody must have done it. That will happen even though somebody will have been acquitted by a jury so I see it as no different in principle that a person may have been put on trial and the nolle prosequi entered. The new evidence envisages that when a trial fails, for whatever reason, whether a nolle prosequi or an acquittal, in certain very limited circumstances there can be a second trial. Presumably, whatever reason might have been given at the earlier stage might have centred simply on the lack of evidence at the time, which presumably will no longer be the case if conclusive evidence comes forward subsequently. I do not see it as necessarily a problem, even if a reason had been given to somebody. If the circumstances exist where new evidence comes to light which shows conclusively that somebody must have committed an offence, the new Act, if it becomes an Act, will apply and it can be dealt with in that way.

Do I understand Mr. Hamilton to mean if a prosecution is started and books of evidence are served in the District Court, and then the DPP decides not to prosecute, it gives the reasons to the family? Will a similar statement be given to the accused?

Mr. James Hamilton

No, but as the accused has the book of evidence, he or she knows what the case against him or her is.

He or she does not know the weaknesses.

Mr. James Hamilton

The accused will have a solicitor and can probably work that out. It is a different situation.

I suggest that is worthy of consideration.

Mr. James Hamilton

I agree it is worthy of thought but the accused has much more information about a crime than the victim. The accused receives not just the book of evidence; any relevant material must be disclosed to him or her. The accused receives a huge amount of information once the trial process begins and will be in a position to identify the weaknesses or possible gaps in evidence. Where a case is dropped it would be very unusual for the accused not to know very clearly why because his or her counsel and solicitor would be very aware of the weaknesses in the case. Presumably it will not have been started unless people believed there was a case. A variety of things can happen. Witnesses may cease to be available or die, or further evidence may come to light. There could be all sorts of different reasons why something would happen. It is very difficult to generalise about it.

I also welcome the DPP and his staff. I welcome this policy of the DPP's. He is correct to take the gradual approach and to phase it in on this careful basis as he has outlined to us. We need to balance very carefully the rights of others, notably the potential accused, and this is quite a departure from our normal criminal justice traditions. It is a welcome move, which victims and their families have sought for some time. It is good to see it being instituted in this careful fashion.

I want to develop briefly a sense of how it will work in practice and to ask a number of practical questions on that. Mr. Hamilton said his preferred option would have been to have a small designated unit within his office that would deal exclusively with giving reasons. He also said in the report that given the recent public service budgetary restrictions, which is an understatement, he is unlikely to have the additional resources necessary for such a unit. Who, therefore, will write the letters? Will it be the person in the office who is working on the file, or will there be somebody a little like a freedom of information officer whose task it will be to write the letter to every victim based on information fed to him or her? How will he best ensure consistency between the letters that go out to the different victims or their families, particularly that the content of the letters will be mindful of the issues that were raised in the senior counsel's opinion to which Mr. Hamilton referred? Will the letters be able to name suspects or witnesses? I presume not, although in many cases they will be identifiable by description, for example the term "chief suspect", which is often used in newspapers.

At what stage will letters be written? Mr. Hamilton has alluded to this in other answers. In the majority of cases one cannot say a prosecution will never result. Therefore, presumably, there will be a standard proviso in these letters that at present the decision is not to prosecute. Some victims' families may have already written to the DPP about a death that has occurred since 22 October. Even in that short space I presume it is possible that victims' families will write and seek reasons or some kind of ongoing information. How is this dealt with where it is too early to say if a prosecution is to be taken at a point during the decision-making process when those involved are not sure if a prosecution will be taken or at a stage where it is believed there will not be a prosecution but it is still envisaged there might be? What will happen in such a case? Will correspondence be entered into with victims' families where they come back with points? Some of the comments raised by Deputy Rabbitte and others may become relevant as risks if that sort of correspondence gets into the public domain. It would not just be one letter going out, which there is perhaps more control over, but there would be a stream of correspondence following. How is that dealt with?

To deal with a slightly different issue I am glad the delegates have indicated they envisage possibly extending the policy to cover living victims of sexual crime. What would prevent that extension? I am delighted to hear there is optimism that the extension may happen but once the witnesses have the review of policy envisaged in January 2010, what will be the criteria to prevent extension of the scheme? For example, if there is a public debate about correspondence, would that be a factor? I apologise for asking such detailed questions.

Mr. James Hamilton

They are interesting and important questions. We have got people to go through existing files and look at the type of letter which might be written, what sort of style we think is appropriate and what sort of information one could give without running across the difficulty of infringing third party interests.

We intend that the person making the decision will draft a letter. We have approximately 24 people in the directing division who make the prosecution decisions, organised in three separate units. The draft letter will go to the unit head who will look at the file and approve it. Initially, I anticipate the deputy director or I and possibly both of us will see these letters before they go out.

The numbers involved will be relatively limited. In an average year we get approximately 300 or more fatality files but a large number are single-vehicle road accidents, so we are possibly talking about a potential 100 or so letters in the first year, which is not an unmanageable number. They are important because of the nature of the offences and some will have to be written with particular care. With some the reasons may be very obvious and easy to state, so the letters will vary.

We will probably show a draft of the letter to the Garda superintendent or Garda liaison officer before sending it so there will be an opportunity for them to make a comment if they believe we have any aspect wrong. It is important that once the letter goes out, it is something we can stand over. We do not want to send it out and then discover some crucial fact which was not brought to our attention.

I often see the silly expression, "the self-confessed chief suspect", and although it is ridiculous one keeps seeing it in the newspapers. One is either the chief suspect or not and it is not something, whether confessed, that matters one way or the other. We will avoid that sort of language and it may not be necessary to identify in a letter who may be a suspect. In many cases there will have been many suspects at various stages. In a typical murder case there may be quite a number of people initially identified as possible suspects before being gradually eliminated from the inquiry. In many cases it may not be necessary to do this and one may be able to outline perfectly comprehensible reasons without saying anything that could identify a particular person.

It is true that when writing a letter, we may get a letter back. We have to deal with that currently and in circumstances where we cannot give people any very useful information. Nonetheless, we end up having copious correspondence with people who are deeply distressed and concerned about a case. They must be written to sympathetically, although much of the time letters are being written that cannot give much useful information.

We are conscious of the issue but as with any matter, there may come a stage where we have to say we have given as much information as possible and nothing further can be usefully added. It will be the case in some instances that people will write back to us, and in some cases they will reply with a perfectly valid point that has not been considered and which may lead to a file being reviewed. I do not rule this out and one of the possible advantages of the system is to give people an opportunity to criticise a decision in a constructive way and draw attention to an issue which was not properly investigated or taken into consideration. I hope there will not be many of those cases.

When people are making the decision on the file, I would like to see it structured in such a way that would be readily transferred into the form of a letter giving an explanation. That would not necessarily always happen and although there may be detailed analysis, it may not be in a form that would be translated very easily into giving someone an explanation about a file. We will have to learn in practice how to do this.

The final question was what would prevent this extending to sexual offences. I cannot foresee issues in this regard. The only possibility is that I am wrong about resources and that going though this process slows up things dreadfully. In this case, we may find ourselves in a position where we will simply take so much longer to deal with cases that we will have to admit it is impractical to do it unless there are additional people to help. We may not be in a position to get them. I hope that will not arise but I cannot be certain, to be absolutely honest, until we do it.

I have spoken to many people abroad because we meet them in different international fora and I have heard different accounts of the issue. Some have told me the process is very resource intensive and others have told me it is not, once people get into the habit of dealing with it. It is very difficult to know what to believe in this area.

I thank Mr. Hamilton. He has been very helpful.

Does the Senator realise there is a vote in the Seanad?

I apologise but I must go.

I have a couple of questions for Mr. Hamilton. He mentioned earlier that the office considers sentencing with regard to appeals, and not only cases that might receive some media profile. Does the office keep any record of the sentencing imposed on a range of different offences? Is that collated in any way to the judge handing down the sentence? That would indicate where a particular judge could be seen to be more lenient than what is the norm across the rest of the Judiciary.

With the best will in the world, mistakes will be made in any office. Does it happen often that a case might be dismissed by a judge because paperwork from the Director of Public Prosecutions was not in order or did not arrive on time?

Mr. James Hamilton

Information on sentencing is notoriously difficult to compile because ensuring all relevant factors have been listed would be quite difficult. Our prosecution policy unit is looking at ways for us to collate information of that type. Even if we had a report on every case, we could be dependent on a report from the solicitor or counsel dealing with the matter. To be certain they have recorded every possible relevant factor is not so easy. It is not always easy to get a transcript of the hearing either. The judges have a project called the sentencing information system, which I am told is fairly close to being launched, although I do not know how close. The last I heard was that it would be ready by Christmas this year. I do not know whether this will happen. What this will do is collate information about actual sentences imposed by judges. The question of breaking down the information according to the judge involved would be a sensitive one for some of the judges. Members will notice that in the Court of Criminal Appeal the comments tend to be very coy and refer to "the learned trial judge" without identifying who he or she was. From our observation we notice patterns and we notice that some people are less inclined to impose longer sentences, while others are likely to be sterner in their approach. That is human nature.

Is Mr. Hamilton in a position to bring any anomalies that might become apparent to the president of a particular court?

Mr. James Hamilton

No, because the way our courts are organised is that the independent judiciary is not just an institution. Each judge is independent and must make a determination according to his or her own conscience and what he or she sees as the best way to do things. The judges do not, as far as I know, have any such system. They meet from time to time and no doubt they discuss things such as sentencing patterns. I do not know because I am not at those meetings. There are meetings of judges, but there is no formal mechanism whereby the president of a court, for example, could reprimand his colleagues or anything similar. The idea is that when the sentencing information system is introduced it will give them a great deal of information.

The only thing I can do if I think a sentence is unduly lenient is to run an undue leniency appeal. We run about 40 or so cases a year out of about 3,000 indictable prosecutions. That is a relatively small number — 1% or less. In the last year or so we have won about two thirds or three quarters of those. Thus, in about 25 or 30 cases a year the court says the sentence was unduly lenient. In order to show undue leniency one must show a substantial departure from the norm or an error of principle. Thus, the bar is set quite high. There are certain cases which are on the light side but which I do not think are so light that I could run them as an undue leniency appeal. It is deliberately set that way. The idea is to try to correct errors of principle in the system and to set out principles to be followed in future cases. That is way it works. Obviously, some judges are more often appealed than others, and there are some judges whom I could say we have never, or very rarely, appealed because they seem from our point of view to get it right more often. That is human nature. The idea of the appellate system is to try to correct any anomalies that arise.

In view of what the director has said in response to the Chairman's question on sentencing, would it be fair to suggest that he comment on the concept of some form of judicial council that could meet if concerns were raised? Does the director have a view on this and, if so, would he be prepared to make a public utterance on it?

Mr. James Hamilton

I would prefer to stay away from that other than to say it is something judges need to consider. The matter of what sort of system is appropriate is primarily a nettle for them to grasp. As a prosecutor, I do not want to get involved in that debate.

I asked Mr. Hamilton about paperwork from his office.

Mr. James Hamilton

We grapple with the 42-day rule, which can be a big problem if, for example, not all the evidence is ready. There are 42 days to prepare a book of evidence. That can be a problem in some cases as it is quite a short period. In most cases we are able to meet it, but sometimes important evidence is not available within the period — for example, if it must come from abroad or if forensic samples must be analysed. There is a variety of reasons. That can cause us problems. I am not sure what other areas of documentation I could mention.

Mr. Barry Donoghue

If a case is struck out——

Mr. James Hamilton

Exactly. We were talking about cases being struck out. That is not a final determination that the case cannot go ahead; one can then start again with the case. That would be the main reason for running into problems because documents are not ready. It can be a problem in many cases.

The director alluded to the fact that there may be a number of suspects in certain cases — obviously including murder or other serious cases — and if there is no prosecution the reason is transmitted. Is there not a risk that the laws of libel might apply or that people's characters could be impugned? Ultimately, some of these people may take a case against the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions. Is there not a high risk of this occurring?

Mr. James Hamilton

That is a risk we must be aware of and guard against. If we cannot give a reason without saying something that might be defamatory of somebody, we will be obliged not to give a reason. It may arise in some cases, but it is certainly something we will watch. We will be quite careful. We are advised by counsel that we would have a defence known as qualified privilege, which means that provided one acts in good faith, one has a defence. Nonetheless, it is probably an area in which, initially at least, we would be inclined to err on the side of caution if we thought there was any risk.

I thank Mr. Hamilton for a very informative presentation and thank his officials for attending with him this afternoon. The discussion has been of major benefit to the committee considering the issues involved. I have no doubt we will return to this matter in the future.

The joint committee adjourned at 3.55 p.m. until 2 p.m. on Wednesday, 26 November 2008.
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