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JOINT COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE, EQUALITY, DEFENCE AND WOMEN'S RIGHTS debate -
Wednesday, 14 Jan 2009

Roads Policing Report: Discussion with Garda Síochána Inspectorate.

Today's meeting will involve a discussion with Ms Kathleen O'Toole, who is the chief inspector of the Garda Síochána Inspectorate, of the inspectorate's November 2008 report, Roads Policing — Review and Recommendations. I welcome Ms O'Toole and her colleagues — Ms Gwen Boniface, who is the deputy chief inspector, and Mr. John Brosnan. I advise all present that Ms O'Toole's presentation will be followed by a question and answer session.

I draw everyone's attention to the fact that members of the committee have absolute privilege, but that same privilege does not apply to witnesses. The committee cannot guarantee any level of privilege to witnesses appearing before it. Further, under the salient rulings of the Chair, members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the House or an official by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. I invite Ms O'Toole to begin her presentation.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

I thank the Chairman and the other members of the committee for inviting me to address it. I will introduce my two colleagues who are with me. Ms Gwen Boniface is one of two deputy chief inspectors in our office. She rose through the ranks of the Ontario Provincial Police and served as commissioner of that organisation for eight years. She led the field inspection team in the roads policing review. Mr. John Brosnan is a career civil servant who holds the position of principal officer in the inspectorate. He has worked in the justice arena for most of his career and his contributions to our work have been invaluable. We are pleased to provide a briefing on the Garda inspectorate's fourth report, Roads Policing Review and Recommendations, and prepared to answer any questions members have, either on the report or other work of the inspectorate to date.

Before speaking on the contents of the roads policing report, it will be of benefit to the committee to outline the role of the Garda inspectorate, our approach to our work, inspection programme to date and commitment to ensuring our recommendations are implemented. This will enrich our discussions by setting the context in which the roads policing report was prepared.

As the committee is aware, the Garda inspectorate was established on 26 July 2006 in accordance with Part 5 of the Garda Síochána Act 2005. It has three members, each of whom has headed a major police organisation. Together, we have accumulated over 100 years of policing experience. Deputy chief inspector Robert Olson has worked primarily in urban policing environments in the United States. Ms Boniface and I have served in positions where we have been responsible for policing both urban areas and large tracts of rural territory. The inspectorate is supported by seven able civil servants. As a team, we bring a blend of knowledge and expertise relevant to the Irish policing landscape. At the same time, we do not claim to have all the answers. While many principles of democratic policing are universal and will apply whether in Boston, Toronto or Dublin, we recognise the need to listen carefully and respect the unique Irish culture in order to make sensible recommendations that will work in this environment.

It is important to explain the role of the inspectorate as it is often misunderstood. In fact, people frequently confuse us with the Garda Ombudsman Commission, an entirely separate body. Our role as an inspectorate is clearly encapsulated in section 117 of the Garda Síochána Act 2005 which states the inspectorate is "to ensure that the resources available to the Garda Síochána are used so as to achieve and maintain the highest levels of efficiency and effectiveness in its operation and administration, as measured by reference to the best standards of comparable police services".

The inspectorate attaches particular significance to the requirement in the 2005 Act that our reports contain recommendations for any action we consider necessary. Each of the inspectorate's reports to date contains action-oriented recommendations aimed at achieving greater efficiency and effectiveness in policing. It is our intention that future reports will be similarly focused.

Inspections in the Garda Síochána account for the main body of the inspectorate's work. In accordance with the 2005 Act, inspections are carried out at the request of, or with the consent of, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform. The inspectorate is, by law, independent in the exercise of its functions. Once the terms of reference for an inspection are determined, it is solely a matter for the inspectorate to decide how an inspection is conducted and what material is included in the inspection report. The Garda inspectorate announces each upcoming inspection. We engage widely with persons inside and outside the Garda Síochána during the course of our work. We welcome all views and suggestions, including those of public representatives and people in the communities we all serve.

To be honest, I expected some resistance to the inspectorate when I first assumed this role but to date that has not been the case whatsoever. The inspectorate has experienced excellent co-operation from people we have encountered in our work. In particular, we are impressed by the openness and engagement of members of the Garda Síochána at all levels, particularly those engaged in front line policing.

When undertaking an inspection, we conduct a comprehensive review of Garda practices in a particular topic area and benchmark the Irish police against similar police services in other democracies. Our goal is to make sensible, best practice recommendations that will result in safer communities, increased police officer safety and greater operational efficiency. The inspectorate strives to produce succinct reports containing action-oriented recommendations attuned to the unique cultural conditions of the Irish policing environment. The reports are laid before both Houses of the Oireachtas prior to publication. By way of follow-up, the inspectorate publishes biannual reports on our website, www.gsinsp.ie, outlining the current status of recommendations flowing from our inspections. The latest status report was issued in December of 2008. It provides an update on implementation of the 134 recommendations made in our first three reports. As indicated, more than 50% of those recommendations have been implemented.

The Garda inspectorate has published four reports, including the one on roads policing. I will not comment at this point on the first three published reports, but I certainly will address any questions the committee may have about them. We have two inspections in progress. One relates to resource allocation in the Garda Síochána. We are analysing the Garda workload and the organisation's deployment strategy. This inspection is well advanced. Our other ongoing inspection relates to missing persons. We are considering the case for a dedicated missing persons unit in the Garda Síochána and the merits of establishing an "amber alert" type programme. The field work for this inspection has been completed and preparation of the draft report has begun.

This brings me to the centrepiece of our discussions today, which is our roads policing report. During 2008, 276 people lost their lives in collisions on Irish roads. While each road traffic death is an horrific tragedy, significant progress has been made in recent years and lives have been saved. The 2008 figure represents a significant reduction of 62 deaths from 2007. The contrast is even more dramatic when compared with 458 road traffic deaths in 1998, notwithstanding the growth in traffic volumes in the interim. Legislators, the Garda Síochána and road safety partner organisations should be credited with developing a concerted programme of engineering, education and enforcement actions that have changed driver behaviour and brought about this very positive result. One measure of this success is the fact that in 2007, Ireland was ranked ninth in the top ten EU performing countries in road safety, which is up five places from its previous ranking of 14th in 2005.

Given that these trends have moved in a positive direction and that numbers in the Garda Síochána traffic corps have been increased substantially, one might ask why the Garda inspectorate chose to undertake an inspection of roads policing at this time. We did so for two reasons. First, notwithstanding the very considerable reductions in fatalities in recent years, there is no room for complacency. There are too many deaths on Irish roads and people are concerned about it. Second, it will be a challenge for Ireland to achieve its EU target of no more than 252 road deaths by 2012. That is 24 fewer than last year, when Ireland recorded its lowest number of road deaths since record keeping began in 1958.

Since assuming our positions during the summer of 2006, we have heard a great deal about roads policing. We have listened carefully to the police, the community and, indeed, members of the committee and their colleagues. In undertaking this inspection, our hope was to contribute further to the very considerable efforts already under way. The Garda inspectorate undertook an extensive programme of meetings as part of the roads policing inspection. Fieldwork began with briefings from the assistant commissioner responsible for the Garda National Traffic Bureau and his staff at Garda headquarters. The inspection team visited the Louth-Meath, Cork city, Galway west, Kerry and Donegal Garda divisions, as well as the northern and western divisions and traffic corps of the Dublin metropolitan region. The inspection team also met leaders and members of the Garda representative associations. External to the Garda Síochána, the team met the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, the Department of Transport, the Road Safety Authority, the Medical Bureau of Road Safety and the County and City Managers' Association. The team was grateful for the opportunity to engage with representatives of Mothers Against Drink Driving, Co-operation and Working Together, and Public Against Road Carnage.

The inspectorate undertook international benchmarking by meeting and sourcing materials from a number of police services. The team consulted Ms Annette Sandberg, a roads safety expert who formerly held a number of senior posts, including administrator of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration of United States Department of Transportation and chief of the Washington State Patrol. The roads policing inspection was conducted in collaboration with Criminal Justice Inspection Northern Ireland and Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary, who were jointly undertaking a similar roads policing study in Northern Ireland. All of these meetings and contacts informed the findings and recommendations of the roads policing report. I am pleased to have this opportunity to thank publicly all concerned for their time, insight and suggestions. While I do not propose to speak at length on the contents of the report, I would like to mention a few highlights. The inspectorate’s report recognises the establishment and strengthening of the Garda National Traffic Bureau, GNTB, as being significant in bringing the Garda Síochána’s roads policing function to its current state of development. The GNTB has performed great work. It provides a central reference point for roads policing in terms of policy formulation, internal and external communication, research and analysis and inter-agency collaboration.

The inspectorate recommended that the GNTB continue to develop as the hub of the Garda roads policing initiative. In the future, the GNTB should clearly define and communicate Garda policy and procedures for roads policing and monitor implementation by front line gardaí. The bureau should promote training to update gardaí on case law and legislative provisions and ensure adherence to quality standards.

It is my hope all reports of the Garda Síochána inspectorate will have a positive impact on front line policing and the roads policing report is no exception. It records our concerns about a number of front line issues in roads policing that were brought to our attention by gardaí in the field. Among the more significant were dual reporting relationships of traffic personnel and local superintendents and regional traffic superintendents; the concerns of local superintendents about the need for a greater input in designating the locations for speed enforcement measures; and the need for more co-ordinated deployment of traffic corps and regular Garda units. The inspectorate understands Garda management is addressing some of the issues identified and we will continue to monitor their progress.

The inspectorate raised a number of issues in the report relating to probationer and in-service training. Lack of sufficient driver training for the police is a very significant concern and the report recommends specific measures to address it. Approximately 2,600 gardaí operate vehicles with "chief's permission" without the benefit of having undertaken a driving course. This is a serious safety issue for both gardaí and the public. The Garda Síochána must develop a comprehensive driver training programme that will effectively instruct all members in the safe operation of police vehicles. When benchmarking against other police services, the inspectorate learned that the vast majority required applicants to possess driver licences prior to employment. The inspectorate believes this is a reasonable pre-employment requirement in modern policing. It referred to these issues in the presentation to the training review group appointed by the Commissioner. It also raised other potential safety concerns. For instance, gardaí should be better trained in respect of performing traffic stops. Likewise, there is a need for more procedural guidance on conducting roadside inspections of heavy goods vehicles. A Garda roads policy manual or handbook would address these and other important roads policing practices.

Technology is an extremely valuable tool for modern police services. The inspectorate identified a number of technology issues in the roads policing report. The most important relates to the introduction of an automatic number plate recognition system, ANPR. This system which will be in operation in the Garda Síochána in the current year has significant potential to enhance the performance of front line gardaí. It utilises cameras to read licence plates and check them against computer records. Where a match indicates an issue to be addressed such as, for example, stolen vehicles or wanted criminals, the police officers are immediately alerted. Police agencies using this system routinely such as the PSNI, the North Wales Police and the London Metropolitan Police Service speak of its effectiveness in both roads policing and a variety of deployments.

The development of an information system to deliver timely and reliable roads policing data is essential to monitoring and evaluating roads policing outputs and outcomes. The inspectorate has recommended that the GNTB should work with partner agencies to develop integrated information systems incorporating the full range of roads policing activity, including volumes of enforcement, interventions, detections, fixed penalties, prosecutions, convictions and other activities. We look forward to developments in this regard.

In recent years Garda focus has been on achieving two important roads policing goals, namely, increased visibility as a means of influencing positive driver behaviour and increased traffic law enforcement targeting those who put road users at risk. The Garda Síochána continues to post impressive enforcement activity statistics. For example, in 2007 gardaí issued 198,989 speeding notices and made 199,837 drink driving detections.

The challenge for the Garda is to look beyond increasing enforcement activity levels and to develop strategies targeted at achieving outcomes. The most important outcome is the reduction in the number of road traffic fatalities. Garda management seems to recognise the need for a more strategic approach. For instance, the relocation of checkpoints to well-researched collision prone zones has been a positive move and is an example of adopting a more outcome-focused strategy.

In recent years, the Garda has made significant and positive strides in roads policing. Its commendable contribution to road safety is reflected in the downward trend in road fatalities and injuries, most notably in 2008. Far from a criticism of Garda roads policing efforts, the inspectorate's report is intended to offer support and encouragement in the process of further development of the Garda's roads policing function. The inspectorate hopes that implementation of the recommendations in this report will enhance the contribution of the Garda to overall road safety. We will closely monitor progress throughout the implementation phase.

I thank the Chairman and the committee for inviting us and allowing me to make this presentation. The deputy chief inspector, Ms Boniface, Mr. Brosnan and I will be pleased to answer members' questions and to discuss aspects of our work that may be of particular interest to them.

I understand this is the first instance of the Garda Síochána Inspectorate appearing before an Oireachtas committee. I thank Ms O'Toole for her interesting presentation. I was particularly struck by the reference to the amber alert system and the focus on missing persons, a matter in which we have an interest. Given the other correspondence about the amber alert system that we have received previously, we look forward to the inspectorate's report with a certain amount of interest, as the committee will revert to the issue. I am sure members have questions.

I welcome the members and staff of the inspectorate, including Ms O'Toole. She is popular within the Garda for all of the right reasons, as she contributes positively to its work and effectiveness in terms of policing for the benefit of the community. I thank her for that work.

I am interested in the current inspection into garda deployment, a significant issue in my constituency. While several Garda stations are located therein, the population in certain electoral divisions is doubling or trebling in size. The Garda has not always reacted to population increases as quickly as we would have liked. However, much progress has been made, including a new division in County Meath to separate us from County Louth, a process replicated elsewhere, and a redistricting programme in County Meath. Were the inspector to visit east or north County Meath to examine how the Garda operates there and the pressures placed on gardaí by increasing population, it would help the report in terms of resource allocation and determining what national policies should be followed to ensure that garda numbers increase in line with population.

The rate of population increase is not the be all and end all of garda deployment, but it has an impact on Garda resources. For example, accommodation in Garda stations must be considered in light of the requisite new gardaí. The number of gardaí has increased in my area. If I invited the inspectorate to County Meath, it would see Garda resources being stretched seriously as well as improvements in recent years. It would be given some ideas about population increases.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

I thank Deputy Byrne for his comments. We welcome the opportunity to visit the station in his area. We have spent much time visiting officers in the field. During my first few months in the job I visited more than 100 Garda stations. We continue to visit Garda stations all over the country. We are listening to people working on the ground and people in the communities in which they serve. We get fantastic feedback from gardaí in the field and our reports have been a reflection of the feedback we have received from them.

Resource allocation is an important issue in policing, particularly in this difficult economic climate. We are examining that and putting a great deal of work into it. The uniformed patrol officer on the beat in the community is the most important person in the Garda Síochána. The specialised units do great work and I commend the work done on drugs and gangs but the uniformed gardaí are the most important in the organisation. That is what people in the community want, as I am sure members have heard. In the course of our work, community policing and garda visibility in the field will be our priority.

One of the problems with community policing is that a garda is put into a community and may work effectively with the people, but these gardaí are the first to be pulled off this task for other duties. Having built up relationships, they must move on to other duties whereas they would be more effective remaining in the community for longer. I do not know if Ms O'Toole has come across this and if it will form part of her report.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

I agree with the Chairman that there must be continuity. If someone is promoted to another opportunity, there must be a transition or continuity. We must make the work of uniformed policing more attractive. We need to recognise the value of that in the hope that people will stay with it. Uniformed policing is the life blood of any police organisation. Philosophically, community policing should be the foundation on which the entire organisation is built, not just an assignment or a unit. Fortunately, the Garda Síochána has a history that is deeply rooted in community policing. That is probably why 82% of the community has a favourable opinion of the Garda. Those of us from North America are quite envious of that. Historically, gardaí have a strong relationship with the community. We want to focus on those roots and build on them. Community policing is the priority.

Community policing is not soft policing. If the gardaí are out there, interacting with those working and living in the community, they establish strong lines of communication, they get information and they are able to tackle crime and issues of public safety. We are great advocates of community policing in the inspectorate and will continue to be so.

Thank you, Chairman. I commend the chief inspector on the work done. The establishment of the Garda Síochána Inspectorate in the Garda Síochána Act was an immensely progressive measure. We are seeing the benefits already in terms of improved efficiency in policing and improved public service commitment by gardaí. A number of points could be highlighted in the presentation.

I refer to members of the Garda Síochána operating vehicles on chief's permission, without the benefit of a driving course. Can the inspector clarify this? Does this mean they have not passed a driving test or is it that they have not had a driving course specific to the operation of Garda vehicles? I agree that it would be a reasonable pre-employment requirement in modern policing to require the possession of a driving licence, given the increased professionalisation of the Garda Síochána.

On the new system for automated plate recognition which Ms O'Toole said will be in place this year, is there a timeframe for that? Do we know when that will come in? Clearly it will be a significant improvement.

I wonder about the handbook. Ms O'Toole raised an interesting point on the potential need for a handbook on roads policing practices. Anybody involved in criminal practice is aware of the vast number of challenges to the drink driving legislation in the courts in recent years, particularly to the use of the breathalyser and so on. How do gardaí on the front line operate breathalysers without the benefit of a manual or handbook? Is nothing in place, and if not, how are they trained in procedures and updated as challenges go through the courts and judgments are given? That was a particularly interesting issue.

I apologise for taking up time, but Ms O'Toole raised a very important point at the end of her presentation about the need to move towards a more outcomes-focused strategy or a more strategic approach to roads policing. The example she gives of moving checkpoints to collision prone zones is excellent. In other jurisdictions this move towards more strategic roads policing has been based on empirical research into what causes collisions, fatalities and injuries and what works in addressing that. There is much very detailed research in Birkbeck College in London on how collisions are caused and how one can avoid them. Is that level of research going on here or can we adopt research results and findings from elsewhere and use them here? Should that be part of the strategic approach Ms O'Toole recommends?

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

I thank the Senator. I will address each point. Perhaps I need to clarify the driving course position. The gardaí driving on chief's permission are driving without the benefit of any Garda driving course, so they have not gone through the driving course and been certified at the Garda college. That is what we referred to, but it is very unusual in our experience. Far more officers are killed in traffic collisions than are killed as a result of assaults, so lives will be saved and serious injuries prevented among gardaí and the public if a proper driving course is put into place. Emergency operation of a Garda vehicle is very different from ordinary operation of a vehicle. Ms Boniface and I have been through driving courses and appreciate having had that experience, and gardaí should also have that. As the Senator is probably aware, last year the Commissioner appointed a committee to examine garda training across the board and we made a presentation to that committee including our concern about driver training.

I would defer to Garda management on the implementation schedule of the automatic number plate recognition, but we have been told it is in the final stages of procurement and the system is ready to go on-line. It will be a great advantage to the Garda in road traffic enforcement and crime fighting. It has been very helpful to other police agencies in combatting gangs, drugs, stolen vehicles and other types of criminal activities.

The handbook to which we refer is very important. Officers in the field need clear, concise guidelines, especially with so many recent legislative changes. We are not saying they should have large volumes of procedures manuals they carry around in the field or in the boot of the car but in certain areas they need clear guidelines and the Garda should focus on this, not only in roads policing but across the board. We are major advocates of technology and ideally these would be on-line so people could quickly access them remotely from Garda vehicles and at the Garda stations. Assistant Commissioner, Mr. Eddie Rock, told us they are in the process of putting the road safety policies and procedures on the PULSE system so there will be a PULSE portal from which gardaí in stations will be able to access that information.

There should be policies and procedures that are clear and concise, as well as being readily available to those in the field. Training is also an issue. As all these changes have occurred, there is a need to train people at all levels of the organisation, as the legislation, especially that related to drink driving, has seen changes in recent years. Gardaí in the field need to beware of these changes and also have sound procedures in order to implement them.

In terms of a strategic approach, it is great to produce statistics. A fantastic job has been done on that front. It is apparent that personnel are working hard, as there are many drink driving detections and enforcement of speed limits. We want to ensure this is done in a strategic way. There is an expression "fish in a barrel" — we do not want to go out to write tickets just for the sake of it. We want to write them to save lives and focus on areas with the highest incidences of accidents. In terms of education, it is important to research the causes of these accidents in order that we can better educate drivers. Any successful road safety programme combines three factors — engineering, education and enforcement. We are advocating a more strategic approach, as Garda management clearly recognises. They are trying to avoid fish in a barrel scenarios and using data to focus on those areas where most accidents are occurring.

I join others in complimenting the work of the inspectorate which has been critical in improving structures, efficiency and confidence in the Garda Síochána. It has also informed the Oireachtas in refining legislation, in particular, not just on road safety but a whole swathe of activities of the Garda Síochána.

I welcome the delegates to discuss the report but it would be very useful to have a further opportunity to meet Ms O'Toole again. The inspectorate has published the status of the implementation of recommendations made in previous reports. Perhaps that is a subject that covers a wider remit than this report, a matter it may be useful for members to discuss.

The report is comprehensive and has the same level of clarity as previous reports. It is very informative. However, there is one issue not referred to — drug testing. There is alcohol testing. It is indicated that road checks and alcohol testing can result in the detection of other crimes. The detection of drug levels in drivers might also indicate other nefarious activities engaged in by the same individuals. Will the delegates comment on this aspect? Where there is legislation, there are difficulties in measuring the level of drug intake which triggers prosecution. It is an important consideration, not just in terms of road safety but also the wider issue of detection and prosecution of criminal activity.

The issue of databases is referred to on page 24 of the report, including greater integration of the information systems and databases in place, leading to better utilisation of information systems. There are reasons prosecutions are not successful. We pick up different pieces of this in the newspapers and the court reporting, but if there was a more comprehensive read-out of why prosecutions are failing, perhaps the Oireachtas would be in a position to address these, particularly if they are simply failing on a technicality as distinct from a substantive justification for the absence of a successful prosecution.

On cross-Border implications of road safety and the difficulties of prosecuting drivers from our nearest jurisdiction, what progress has been made in this regard? Enforcement of traffic laws among cyclists is also important. We have many serious accidents involving cyclists, yet anyone would notice that the road restrictions such as traffic lights are generally taken as decoration by many cyclists. Are the gardaí vigilant enough in prosecuting cyclists who infringe these rules and in being seen to do so? It is in their own interest.

Trucks are one of the major causes of the most serious accidents. I notice from the report that the Garda does not have the technology to detect tachograph usage and determine whether a truck has been speeding. In the absence of that type of information, a truck driver will not feel restrained in terms of complying with speed limits.

There are 25 recommendations. Could Ms O'Toole tell us the top three priorities among these — the ones which would result in the greatest contribution to road safety? Sometimes there are so many recommendations that they cannot be properly prioritised in their implementation.

I ask Ms O'Toole to respond, and to bring in her colleagues if she wishes.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

On the issue of drug testing, that is a point well taken. We recognise the importance of enforcement with regard to driving while impaired by drugs, and the Garda also recognise the importance of this. The Garda faces challenges similar to those we faced in America and elsewhere in that the technology to measure the level of impairment due to drugs is not as advanced as the technology for measuring alcohol. The mandatory alcohol testing that has been under way in recent years has made a substantial difference in enforcement here. In fact, that has been the number one factor in the reduction of deaths in recent years. We look upon that very favourably. We understand through our benchmarking exercise that the technology for measuring those impaired by drugs will be available within three to five years, as well as more mobile technologies. The police just do not have the same tools available to them in the field for measuring drug levels as they do for measuring alcohol levels. We hope that science catches up and that we are able to have similar tools for drugs. The Garda arrest those impaired by drugs, but it is just more difficult to prove in the legal arena because the tools are not available.

With regard to databases, the issue of technology is one we have seen throughout the course of our work. While PULSE is a massive database full of information, it is not a user-friendly system as far as we are concerned. People in the field and Garda management need timely and accurate real-time information so they can determine where to better deploy their resources. For example, I utilised mapping technology. On any day during my term as Boston Police Commissioner I could quickly pull up a map of a particular neighbourhood in the city and determine exactly what had happened there in the prior 24 hours, week or month. I could see trends developing in real time rather than recognise them six months or a year later. We hope that Garda technology will advance to the point where gardaí will have that information at their fingertips and will work closely with the Road Safety Authority, RSA, and other partners. In that way, rather than reinventing the wheel or stovepiping the information, everybody can share and integrate their information. Timely information will be available not only to the police but also to this committee. We are in agreement with members on that.

The level of cross-Border co-operation we saw was fantastic, especially on the ground at local levels. There are now many joint initiatives between the PSNI and the Garda Síochána, particularly in the area of roads policing. That is why we engaged with the Criminal Justice Inspectorate, CJI, and H.M. Inspectorate of Constabulary, HMIC. We thought it was a good opportunity for us to compare notes and work together on a project. Those bodies issued their report several months ago. We learned from them and I hope they also learned something from us. We all saw good cross-Border co-operation.

There is an agreement in place among the British-Irish Council of Transport Ministers which committed in 2006 to progress the recognition of driver disqualification in both jurisdictions. We think that is a very significant move. The Senator is right. For years there was a perception that people from the Republic of Ireland could do whatever they wanted in terms of their driving habits in the North, and vice versa. Now there will be that important reciprocity and it is hoped that it will be a deterrent regarding cross-Border driving.

We did not look at the issue of cyclists but I take that point which is an important one. We will check with the Garda National Traffic Bureau. I am sure its personnel go through the massive amounts of data they have even though the system is not as user-friendly as it should be. The GNTB analyses accidents and trends in accidents and we will check with it to see what it is doing with regard to cyclists because that is important. We can see what the level of enforcement is.

With regard to trucks and heavy goods vehicles, the Garda shares responsibility with the RSA and works closely with it. I will defer to Ms Boniface because she has dealt with the RSA and with the Garda on this matter.

Ms Gwen Boniface

With regard to the reading of digital tachographs, my information is that the Garda is now training some of its people to read them. The Senator is right. The RSA has trained people also and that training will become a fundamental part of its heavy goods vehicle enforcement.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

I know that Senator Regan asked——

I asked about the top three prioities.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

Yes. I must go through my list quickly and look.

First, as far as I am concerned, police officer safety is always at the forefront. We must make sure that police officers are properly trained to drive vehicles. They must set an example and the driver safety training course at the Garda college must be a priority. We also stated that if the Garda does not have the resources to implement that immediately it should consider a contract. We stated that all new recruits coming to the Garda college should receive that training as part of their course. The immediate concern is those who drive on chief's permission. That is an important point. There should be a manual to accompany this training and to make sure they know how to handle these situations on the road.

Timely information technology is my second priority, whether it relates to roads policing or to fighting guns, gangs and drugs. We must be very focused, especially in this economic climate. We need timely information so that we know exactly where to put our resources, where the problems are occurring and who is causing them.

The third priority is to integrate the traffic corps more effectively with the regular police. Police officers on the front line day in and day out are the lifeblood of the organisation. They, too, have responsibility for traffic enforcement. The traffic corps should contribute also to other aspects of policing. Rather than operating on parallel tracks, we need to integrate better the way they work.

Those are my priorities. I hope I do not change my mind after looking at them again.

I thank Ms O'Toole for her presentation and contribution and welcome her here this morning. I compliment everyone involved in ensuring the number of deaths on the roads has fallen this year to the level it has. We all accept one death is one too many but over recent years a significant amount of work has gone into education to raise awareness levels concerning road traffic and the impact it has on loss of life and injury.

The south east and Wexford have been part of the road shows the Garda has run in various schools. I was a guest speaker at a number of them, including one in the Waterford Institute of Technology where there were detailed descriptions and live demonstrations of what can happen and the difficulties people encounter.

I have a number of questions on different areas. I am conscious of the high powered vehicles owned by some young people. I do not want to blacken the boy racer element who tend to have a bad image. Many of these guys spend a lot of time and effort on their cars, which are their pride and joy. I refer specifically to cars such as a Honda Type R which an ordinary individual without a background in the motor trade may think is a regular Honda Civic but is a high powered car capable of travelling at more than 140 miles per hour. Is there a correlation between the film industry, PlayStation and the X-Box generation, as I would call them, and this type of car?

The programme "Top Gear", of which I am a fan, featured Mr. Jeremy Clarkson using a particular track and car similar to that featured in a PlayStation game. He learned the track on the PlayStation in a particular car and then drove the real car on the track. The difference between what he encountered on the real track showed that it did not account for humps and bumps or whatever.

Have we looked at this issue in terms of young drivers? Is it an area Ms O'Toole looked at in her research? I am interested in examples from other countries as to whether it has an impact.

Regarding vehicle safety, I know vehicles are being improved all the time. I am a former cyclist and a victim of a road traffic accident. I was in the National Rehabilitation Hospital in Dún Laoghaire this morning for my annual check-up before I came here, which was a reminder of the difficulties and life changing events caused by such accidents. There has been a decrease in the number of deaths but an increase in the number and severity of injuries. We are successful in one element but are people surviving now because of the technology in cars? I am not sure if Ms O'Toole can answer that question.

I am interested in Ms O'Toole's view on our performance on the Road Safety Authority and legislation required to back up the efforts of the Garda. We have a large amount of legislation. Do we follow it up adequately? How have the 25 recommendations been received? Can some of them be implemented very quickly without significant cost? What was the Garda reaction to the various recommendations?

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

A few decades ago my friends were driving fast cars, so it is a phenomenon since cars have been around. The Deputy is correct. As a parent I have always been concerned about some of the games available to young people, as well as what they see in the media. Whether it is driving or carrying firearms, I am concerned about the things which influence young people today.

In the course of this work we focused on enforcement. The Garda and other road safety partners have done a great job in terms of research. I compliment the RSA, which did some spectacular research and benchmarking. Ms Boniface met Mr. Brett regularly and was very impressed with the level of research being done. It has a very good handle on what is happening and we do not need to reinvent the wheel. We all learn from the experiences of others and if there are good programmes which apply to the unique Irish environment, that is a good thing. There is great work going on, but in the course of our work we focused on enforcement rather than education. Today I focused on the statistics on road traffic deaths but the number of injuries have consistently decreased in recent years, which is also good news.

Regarding legislation, we think it is fantastic that this body and both Houses of the Oireachtas have been very supportive of the police in legislation in recent years. Every time legislation is passed, whether on drink driving or other crime fighting initiatives, it takes time for the police to learn about it, develop procedures in accordance with it and train people to apply it. There will be court cases from time to time challenging new legislation. We had the same experience in the United States. There needs to be a period for the legislation to bed in and to train people to become more familiar with it and with how to apply it appropriately. We appreciate the support given to the police on many fronts.

Our recommendations, similar to our other reports, were very well received, not only by the Garda but also by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. In some respects I liken this to my experience working on the Patten Commission. I had the privilege of working on it and it made 175 recommendations for a new beginning for policing in Northern Ireland. People asked how we could ensure the recommendations would not sit on a shelf and collect dust. In Northern Ireland our last recommendation was the creation of an oversight commissioner who published regular updates on the status of the recommendations.

I borrowed from that example in our work here. We benchmark the Garda against best international practice and come up with these recommendations based on input we receive from a variety of sources, including the police. We make the recommendations and once they are accepted, we must ensure they are implemented, especially after both Houses have approved them. We feel six-monthly updates are appropriate. We work closely with the Commissioner and his staff and go through every recommendation.

If one looks at our website, the implementation tables can be seen. They show the recommendation, whether it has been accepted, rejected or accepted in part, and where it stands. All except one have been accepted until this point. We made 178 recommendations, including those in this report, and all but one have been accepted. We indicate who is responsible for implementing each recommendation, agree a timeframe for implementation and provide a status update. More than 50% of the recommendations in the first three reports have been implemented to date.

I tend to be very impatient and like to see everything happen yesterday, but I understand an organisation can only absorb so much change at one time. Not only does it have to go through the change agenda, people also must perform their jobs on a day to day. In retrospect, it is amazing how much has been implemented in a few years and I appreciate the effort that has gone into that.

I am delighted to see that the figures for road deaths are falling. What percentage of road deaths can be attributed to drink driving, as of the latest figures available? I am aware that other factors are involved such as speed, inexperience and dangerous driving.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

Unfortunately, we do not have a precise figure. At least half of the accidents are attributed to speed but we have been unable to find statistics to show exactly what percentage are related to alcohol. As Ms Boniface indicated, there is often more than one factor involved but the Senator has hit the nail on the head. Speed, drink driving, inexperience and fatigue are factors. We had difficulty digging through many reports to compile the statistics. That is why it is necessary to have better technology to give a clear picture of the percentages associated with the different factors.

I thank the Chairman for allowing me to intervene because I am not a member of the committee but I am interested in the subject. I come from the Malin Head Peninsula where in the space of 18 months there were 30 road deaths. Most of the victims were under 30 years of age. While I do not wish my comments to be associated with any particular accidents, my first hope when I hear the word "accident" on the radio is that County Donegal will not be mentioned. Inevitably, in an area such as mine one knows either the people involved or their families. I know what it is like to attend at wake houses, corpse houses and the funerals of young people and their tragic legacy.

I agree with Ms O'Toole's comments about the concerted programme of engineering, education and enforcement and that many are working to ensure the statistics change. I agree, too, that this is an ongoing process. The difficulty is that when something happens in an area such as job losses, the focus is very clear and precise at the time of the event but time heals some people, while others do not move on.

It is good that gardaí receive driving lessons but what does Ms O'Toole think about the controversy surrounding school driving programmes for transition year students? Should off-track locations for lessons be developed or do they encourage the proverbial boy racer? They may be few in number but cause many problems. They also have an impact on the availability of police officers in an area such as mine with a dispersed population of between 32,000 and 33,000 where the largest town has a population of 4,500 but most have only 1,800. Our superintendents say Garda resources will be pulled into towns such as Letterkenny which scares the life out of people who also hear that there might be fewer than ten gardaí for that dispersed population. If even two or three boy racers run amok with three or four Garda cars chasing them, which has happened, it has an impact on resources. Is there any example of best practice to deal with this problem? Has there been integration between the inspectorate, the Road Safety Authority, the police and the Judiciary to deal with the young people concerned? We have significant evidence to suggest that although the court takes their car, they are on the road again within weeks.

Who will enforce the law? What is in place and what is planned? There are plenty of people overseeing the problem, the inspectorate, the RSA and different agencies within the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform which have good ideas, but I meet people in my area who say they were prosecuted for driving at 35 km/h in a 30 km/h zone, yet their sons or their neighbour's sons are running amok at 120 km/h and no one cares. Who will work with the Garda to report the crime? I have spoken to gardaí about this and understand that whether one drives at 35 km/h or 120 km/h in a 30 km/h zone, it is the same in the eyes of the law. I hope the inspectorate's plans come to pass in order to encourage co-operation between citizens and the law enforcers and that they will focus on those who are causing the problem with souped-up cars with blacked-out windows and noisy exhausts and a racing wheel which causes serious injury or death when an accident occurs. Who will enforce the existing law, as well as the curfew for young drivers and the other good ideas?

I have some simple suggestions. For example, traffic islands are invisible to many.

Will the Senator confine her contribution to questions, please?

How can we make cyclists more visible? I raised the matter in a debate on the Adjournment and was told that one could be fined up to €1,000 for not displaying a white light in front and a red one at the rear and not wearing a fluorescent jacket. I walked home last night and would have earned €30,000 had I been able to make a citizen's arrest of cyclists on one mile of the road in Dublin.

Cat's eyes would make traffic islands visible but when I raise the issue, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform tells me that it is a matter for the local authority, the NRA or the RSA. Is there enough co-operation between all the agencies involved? In the North, if one hits a bicycle without doing damage, one is arrested and one's vehicle is impounded until one is proved fit for the road.

It is not possible to determine how many accidents involve drink driving because not everyone is tested for alcohol at the scene of an accident. Are we moving towards the word "must" rather than "may" for drink and drug-testing? I understand the anomaly in respect of the person's right to fight for his or her life when involved in an accident and the failure to pursue the person responsible. However, the victims of crime are often not kept informed.

I welcome cross-Border co-operation and the vehicle recognition system. I am concerned, however, that while there is co-operation, the same Garda officer may not attend all the cross-Border meetings, whereas in the North there is a designated person to do this. It is no good having plenty of meetings if a different person attends each one. In areas such as mine the local superintendent is changed so often that there is no continuity of strategy because by the time the superintendent has got used to the officers he or she is moved on, perhaps because it is not perceived as the best location to achieve promotion.

In this economic climate co-operation could yield more revenue. Northern Ireland registered cars are being driven by residents of the Republic. I would like to think that if a system of vehicle recognition is to be introduced, it will not be confined to criminals in Dublin but will be used in dealing with this serious issue, even from a safety point of view. If a car is being driven by a person from the Republic, he or she has bought the car——

Will the Senator conclude, please?

I am sorry but there are many issues in which I am interested. I hope the system will be rolled out and that it will highlight issues, beyond the obvious ones, that annoy those of us living in Border areas. I appreciate the work the inspectorate is doing and the forbearance of the Chairman in allowing me to raise these issues.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

I thank the Senator and appreciate the points she made. During the course of this inspection Ms Boniface and her team spent quite some time in County Donegal, recognising that there is a particular problem there. As we have said all along, one traffic death is one too many but progress is being made in County Donegal and it is hoped that trend will continue.

We focused on enforcement, not education. We know the Garda is working closely with the other road safety partners not only on education but engineering issues also. There is good collaboration across the board on road traffic, education, enforcement and engineering issues. When a fatal accident occurs, a member of the Garda Síochána goes with the local engineers to the site to make an assessment of the factors that may have caused it and try to address the issues to prevent a similar tragedy happening.

Regarding resource allocation, we are working on that project. The Senator is mindful of the fact that there are many factors that must be taken into consideration when determining how to deploy resources but she is right. They need timely information to identify the challenges and if it is roads policing or other issues about which she is concerned in County Donegal, they must all be taken into consideration when determining how to deploy resources.

We did not address the issue of cyclists but the point is well taken. In our discussions with members of the Garda National Traffic Bureau we will mention that it was highlighted during our discussion today and get a better sense of what it has done about the issue.

On breath testing, the "maths" checks have been of great benefit to the police in their enforcement efforts. The police are utilising the technology much more readily than they used to previously. Random breath testing is occurring every day. That is not a tool that was available to us where I came from and it is a wonderful one available to the Irish police. There is a greater inclination to test not just randomly but following accidents also. I cannot speak on policy matters. It is up to both Houses to determine Government policy but the more testing the better because it has been a deterrent and helped road safety a great deal.

Continuity, or lack of it, is an issue about which we hear every day when people are transferred, whether in community policing or superintendents. We continue to discuss the matter with Garda management because people in the community want continuity. However, we cannot stand in the way of those who have promotional opportunities but at the same time it is important that the community knows with whom they are dealing and with whom they should deal.

We found strong cross-Border co-operation, not only in local areas. The GNTB meets its counterparts in the North, the United Kingdom and elsewhere in Europe regularly. There is cross-Border co-operation at many levels but the Senator's point is well taken in that it must involve the same people. There must be continuity in these relationships.

I have not gone into a lot of detail. The Senator mentioned many points and if she would like me to comment on any others, I would be happy to do so but I have given a brief synopsis of——

Is there an example of best practice in dealing with the boy racer issue?

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

That is an education issue but the Road Safety Authority is doing a fantastic job in terms of best practice elsewhere and recommending it here in Ireland. I am sure that in Ms Boniface's discussions with Mr. Noel Brett in the Road Safety Authority we can get a better feel for that issue but across the board it is doing a very good job on engineering, enforcement and education issues.

From the point of view of the judicial——

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

It cannot be all about enforcement. We have continued to increase penalties and restrictions on young drivers in holding them accountable for their behaviour. It is a challenge we are not only facing here; other jurisdictions are facing it also. It involves a combination of more education programmes and stronger penalties and restrictions on young drivers.

In welcoming the inspectorate I note that in the application of resources, targeted efficiency and effectiveness are among the objectives of the inspectorate. Good improvements have been made in road safety, some of which Ms O'Toole mentioned.

Three issues arise, the first of which is speed limits which in many areas tend to be artificially low. The Garda has an input in that regard but sometimes it is driven more politically than from the point of view of whether it is necessary to ensure road safety. I will give two examples. In my own area there is a short stretch of road on which the speed limit was reduced from 80 km/h to 50 km/h. That was a foolish move that was corrected some months later but while the limit was at 50 km/h, it was the area gardaí targeted, even though it would not have been high risk.

Second, many of our roadways are good quality dual carriageways, on some of which speed limits are being brought up to motorway standard but where there is a dual carriageway with a speed limit of 100 km/h or where it is reduced to 60 km/h for some reason, that is where the gardaí will be seen. There is a danger that the road safety programme will be brought into disrepute. Are there quota targets that give rise to what the public refers to as shooting fish in a barrel rather than targeting accident black spots? The impression is that the easy targets are being focused upon rather than the danger areas.

This is just a comment but there was a tendency for gardaí to hide behind hedges to catch people speeding. In fairness, that has changed and there is now high visibility. That is a far better policy because rather than catching people it encourages compliance, which is what should be the aim. Is that the actual policy? Does the inspectorate police it — pardon the pun — with the Garda?

I was amazed to find within the past ten years that there were almost no statistics for accidents and that where they were available, information on the age groups involved, the experience of the drivers concerned and the time at which accidents took place was not recorded. I understand this has been corrected. I do not know if Ms O'Toole can give a proportion but am I right in thinking the vast majority of accidents occur between Friday evening and the early hours of Monday morning? These are the danger times on which we must focus in enforcement rather than introducing a raft of measures that are politically correct but do not contribute to a significant improvement in road safety and which impinge significantly on individuals who generally are compliant.

Before we continue I wish to add to Senator Walsh's second question on the visibility issue. Ms O'Toole mentioned that the most important deterrent is the presence of a garda in uniform, with which I agree. I was in New York a few months ago, on a private visit I hasten to add, and I saw police cars everywhere. Their visibility was striking. It is much easier for the police there to have such presence because they have a huge population in a reasonably restricted area. That there is such a police presence and such visibility must have a huge effect. We should encourage more of that, but such visibility is not evident here.

A second aspect is Garda visibility in rural areas and on roads where people are liable to speed. A strategy introduced in America with success is parking an unoccupied police car at various locations at different times. A motorist approaching the police car will not know if it is occupied and the parking of such a police car acts as a deterrent to speeding and contributes to police visibility. That strategy has been successful in North America. Is it planned to introduce such an strategy here? Ms O'Toole might comment on that when responding to Senator Walsh's questions.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

The speed limits issue is an engineering matter. The Garda work with engineers to determine the speed limits. From a fairly newcomer's perspective, I have noticed there seems to be less standardisation on speed limits here than I have experienced elsewhere. I must be mindful of how the speed limit applying may change quickly as I drive throughout the country.

The issue of comparing such enforcement to shooting fish in a barrel has been a concern in my career that we have also had to address in America. People in America used to say that the police hide behind billboards and wait for people to go by in areas where accidents never happen. They used to question such enforcement. We acknowledged in the report that we are against that type of enforcement. We are against quotas for the sake of——

Are there quotas?

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

Not that I am aware of.

My understanding is that there were. I am not sure if there still are, but there was pressure on the gardaí to catch a certain number of offenders.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

In terms of supervision, Garda supervisors and managers try to encourage gardaí to be more active in certain areas. We would not advocate quotas. We have made it clear that it is great that gardaí are producing the numbers. There is a great deal of Garda activity and visibility and they are producing great numbers, but such activity and enforcement should happen in areas where there is a high incidence of accidents because we want to prevent more injuries and deaths. We need to focus our efforts in those areas. I agree with the Senator on that point.

Some 199,000 speed notices were issued in 2007. Is that the only statistic available for speed notices or are the figures broken down to indicate, for example, that offenders were, say, 5%, 10% or 100% over the limit? Is it broken down by——

I believe it is used as a measurement of productivity of the gardaí among themselves. The chief inspector has a role to play in removing that aspect because it is not good police work.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

I agree with the Senator on that point. If we are to do effective police work, it must be a combination of prevention, intervention and enforcement and the enforcement must be focused in areas where there are serious problems. Other than that, we are wasting our resources. The community will not be happy if there is a perception or a reality that the gardaí are wasting resources and not focusing on areas where there are problems. I have had discussions with Commissioner Fachtna Murphy on this and he wholeheartedly agrees with me. It is a matter of getting the message out through the ranks of the Garda that the issue is not about numbers but about doing business effectively and producing positive outcomes and not just outputs. We are not into quotas or targets.

I talked about the need for prevention and compliance and that those aspects are as important as enforcement. The Chairman was right in pointing our that Garda visibility is a deterrent. Of that there is no question. The traffic corps has virtually doubled since 2005, that being the number indicated in the report. There are far more traffic gardaí on duty. I thought I read in a newspaper that the idea of parking an unoccupied Garda car has been taken up by the authorities in one locality. It might have been in Carlow or somewhere in the south east. I just read that in a newspaper.

I was not aware of that happening. Somebody put that suggestion to me.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

The police in North America and Canada have utilised that strategy. It is one of many strategies people have come up with and fair dues to them for coming up with creative ideas. The members of the traffic corps are doing a great job. We need to ensure that they work more closely with the regular gardaí. If people have such creative ideas, why should we not try them?

On the question on the statistics gap, we do not have the fine detail that we need in course of our work but effective technology systems could assist in that respect. We do not have to start from scratch. PULSE has an enormous amount of information and we simply need to ensure it is more user friendly. A new civilian non-sworn technology officer has been appointed to head IT for the Garda Síochána. We met him along with a new chief administrative officer and others who are bringing greater business acumen to the Garda. We will see some of these systems develop.

Is Ms O'Toole saying that the Garda does not have a system of collating times serious accidents occur, the age profile of those involved, their driving experience and the causes of those accidents to deduce from such data the causes of accidents and target the initiatives being taken, rather that adopting a catch-all type approach? That is what has been happening up to now in the hope that we will address the issue, but we have achieved very little as a consequence.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

No, I am not saying there is no information available but that with better technology we can obtain the information in a user friendly more timely fashion. The RSA has published some great information and it works closely with the Garda Síochána. The worst days for fatalities in 2007 were Saturdays, Sundays and Thursdays. Traditionally, holiday periods are also a difficult time. The Garda needs to deploy its resources accordingly. There is no question about that and they do that. There is information available but in the course of our work, whether on road policing or other matters, it is sometimes difficult to locate the information and to obtain it in a timely fashion. We hope that better technology will provide real time information.

Ms O'Toole said that a civilian had been appointed in charge of IT. Technology has greatly advanced. I could complete a spread sheet tomorrow or set up a database on information relating to my work. Surely, the answer must involve bringing in civilians who are very well qualified in this area and releasing gardaí to do policing, and the same would apply to media and other sections of the organisation.

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

In our first report, we referred to that aspect. When I arrived here only 7% of the Garda Síochána were civilian and, therefore, non-sworn personnel. That compares to an average of 30% to 40% in most modern police services. We were struck by that low figure. We said that if we had 15,000 sworn personnel and a few thousand civilian personnel, we need to run the organisation like a business with a €1.6 billion annual operating budget. We made a recommendation to bring in non-sworn people at senior levels of the organisation who have good business acumen, who can bring that to bear and thereby allow the gardaí focus on the police work. There is a civilian at deputy commissioner level in charge of all administration, a civilian in charge of IT and a civilian in charge of finance. I hope, at some point in the foreseeable future there will be a civilian in charge of HR. We need to run the organisation as effectively and efficiently as possible, like a business. The work of the people I have mentioned will complement the work of the sworn Garda management team.

I would like to ask about the second recommendation in the summary on page 28 of the report. Can Ms O'Toole explain how Garda management intends to bring greater clarity to the issue of dual reporting as it relates to the role of the Garda National Traffic Bureau? I will explain why I am asking about this matter. Yesterday, some members of the committee, including Deputy Connick, Senator O'Donovan and I, visited the Midlands Prison in Portlaoise. We found the visit useful, in the context of the work we are doing in this area. We would like to visit the relevant operational unit within the Garda at some stage in the future to see how traffic is being managed, for example. Perhaps it is not a matter for Ms O'Toole. The Prison Service has developed an operational security unit that is responsible for security in prisons. The staff of the unit check everybody and everything that comes in and out of each prison. They check the cells, etc. They do all that type of work. They do not do the normal work of prison officers. The staff in question do not report to the governor of the prison — they report to a separate manager. There is a division of powers between the various areas of responsibility. When difficulties arise in a prison, the unit in question is responsible for the perimeter of the prison. It seems to me that a similar set of circumstances prevails in the Garda. Those working in the road traffic section of the force also have other duties. There seems to be a far greater crossover in that instance. I suggest that reporting responsibilities are far more blurred. Is the inspectorate trying to streamline that? Who is reporting to whom? How is all of that operating?

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

I will provide two real examples to put it into perspective. We have heard concerns about this issue from traffic corps personnel in all parts of the country. The local superintendent keeps records of the time they work, gives them permission to take leave and writes their promotion recommendations, but they have to report to the superintendent of the traffic division on a day-to-day basis. They think it is unfair. They think it would make sense to have much clearer lines of reporting. They suggest that those who supervise them on a day-to-day basis should have practical responsibility for writing recommendations for promotion, for example. That is a simple example. There is a need to define these matters much more clearly, so that people are clear about the lines of supervision and accountability that exist.

When we were trying to define the role of the Garda National Traffic Bureau, we spoke to a local superintendent who expressed concern that the bureau had sent him a list of collision-prone zones in his locality. He was told to instruct his traffic corps to spend their time in such places. He felt he should have more input because he was more familiar than anyone else with the roads in his area. He mentioned that people were always complaining about a road in his district that was frequented by boy racers. The road in question had not been automatically added to the list, however, because there had not been any fatalities on the road over recent years. Along with officials in the traffic bureau and in Garda headquarters, we agreed that the superintendent should have an opportunity to add his common sense to the equation. Local superintendents are now encouraged to make more input into the selection of collision-prone zones.

The national traffic bureau should be a headquarters body with responsibility for developing policy, communicating the roads policing agenda and collaborating with the various partners in this sector. The day-to-day policing of roads should be organised at local level, however. The role of the traffic bureau needs to be clearly defined as a headquarters unit that does not have responsibility for day-to-day operations out in the field.

Is the inspectorate getting support for its recommendations? Is it too soon to say?

Ms Kathleen O’Toole

We have received great support so far. As I said in my formal remarks, the national traffic bureau has done fantastic work. Its dedicated staff have examined benchmarks and best practice elsewhere. They have tried to develop unique strategies for the Irish environment. They have done some fantastic work. The role of the bureau needs to be clearly defined so that its staff and everyone else knows what it is responsible for. I suggest that as much responsibility as possible should be delegated to local superintendents. Those who are present day in, day out when the rubber meets the road are familiar with the challenges in the districts. They are best placed to offer solutions and address those challenges.

I thank Ms O'Toole for her informative presentation. I thank colleagues for attending this meeting too. This discussion will help the committee to consider the issues that are at play. I do not doubt that we will return to this issue in the future. I offer my sincere thanks to all those who attended the meeting.

The joint committee adjourned at 12.20 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Tuesday, 27 January 2009
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