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JOINT COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORT debate -
Thursday, 22 Jan 2009

Road Safety: Discussion with Road Safety Authority.

We now move to a discussion with representatives of the Road Safety Authority. We also invited the Garda authorities to come in today but it was not possible for them to attend. They have agreed to attend on another date.

I wish to draw witnesses' attention to the fact that members of the committee have absolute privilege but this same privilege does not apply to witnesses appearing before the committee. Members are reminded of the parliamentary practice that members should not comment on, criticise or make charges against any person outside the Houses or an official, either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

I welcome Mr. Noel Brett, the chief executive officer of the Road Safety Authority. We invited the chairman of the authority but the invitation was recent and it was not possible for him to attend. We have said we would be delighted to have him appear before the committee when the Garda authorities come in. We have not met the chairman and there was a desire that we should do that.

I propose we hear a short presentation from Mr. Brett, followed by a question and answer session. We should agree to try to complete the meeting by 1 p.m. if that is acceptable.

Mr. Noel Brett

I express my thanks to the committee for inviting me. I send apologies on behalf of Gay Byrne, the chairman, who unfortunately has another commitment he could not change to attend here. I made a submission yesterday which I hope members had an opportunity to read. I do not propose to read it but rather go through some of the highlights and allow as much time as possible for members to ask questions.

I begin by reminding members of the function of the Road Safety Authority. Many people are of the view it is an organisation that runs advertisements on the television. Our most important function is to prepare the road safety strategy, present it to the Minister and monitor and report on its implementation. We are responsible for road safety education. We have programmes now in schools, third level institutions, employment, public awareness and driver education. We have a significant road safety research function. We regulate the driving instruction industry and are responsible for the delivery of driver theory testing, practical driver testing and licensing functions. We have a significant vehicle standards function to do with type approval, the sorts of vehicles on the road, delivery of the national car test service and an input into commercial vehicle road worthiness testing. We also have road haulage enforcement functions and are the issuer of digital tachographs.

I remind members of the committee that the RSA does not have competence or any statutory function relating to road engineering. We do not have any role or function currently in road design, construction, maintenance, signing, lining, gritting, speed limit setting or any of those areas. The national routes are under the responsibility of the National Roads Authority. All other routes are the responsibility of each county council in its capacity as a local roads authority.

The board of the RSA has set three aims for the body at a macro level. First, it wants to make sure we deliver the highest possible level of public service; second, that we deliver the best possible value for public money, both in terms of money we get from the Exchequer and in terms of fees we receive from people who get services from us. Third, the board wishes the RSA to be the best possible employer with the most highly trained and best possible calibre of staff.

Moving on to the current position, thankfully 2008 saw the lowest number of fatalities since records began in 1959. A graph on page 2 of the submission shows the annual fatality rate since 1998 and the way it has been dropping year on year. Thankfully, we have just come to the end of the safest year ever.

Table 2 on page 3 shows fatalities per million of population. That is the way we are measured internationally. That graph is an indication of the direction in which we are moving.

I draw members' attention in particular to table 3 on page 4, which shows the monthly average death rates. The current road safety strategy, which Government approved two years ago and which we are two years into, has set a target of an average of 21 fatalities or better per month by 2012. Thankfully, we are now at an average of 23 per month. That is a great position but I express a word of caution. If members look at the graph on page 4 they will see that in 2003, Ireland got down to 28 per month but immediately in the two years after saw a rapid deterioration and an increase in deaths, injuries and numbers of collisions. I will discuss later the risk we now face.

On page 5 I have illustrated a map of Ireland. It is based on all the fatalities in 2007 but what is shown are deaths per million of population by county. I want to illustrate for members the counties where the most people die per million of population. I have that map for each year but I am showing members the most recent one which we just published.

In the invitation the committee asked me to talk about——

We cannot see the figures.

Will Mr. Brett explain the figures?

Mr. Noel Brett

I am sorry. The lighter the colour the safer the county. It is no surprise that, for example, Dublin is the safest area because of the high population. Members can see Wexford, the commuter counties and those ringing the Border are illustrated also. I will e-mail new copies to the committee. I am sorry the figures have not printed out clearly. I might change the colours in the map for members.

The colours are fine; it is just the figures that did not copy.

Mr. Noel Brett

The yellow represents less than 40 fatalities per million of population. The next colour — I am looking at the legend in the top left hand corner — is 40 to 79 fatalities per million of population. The next legend is 80 to 119 fatalities per million population. The next colour represents 120 to 159 fatalities per million of population and the blood red colour represents a figure greater than 169 fatalities per million of population. I express the caution that this is just one year's data. Some of those counties have very significant levels of commuting traffic moving through them. We need to know much more about the purpose of journey, where people were going and what they were doing at the time of collision. We are starting to collect that data with the Garda Síochána. That is the best I can give members at the moment. I have that map for a number of years.

Moving on to table 4 on page 6, the Chairman specifically asked in the invitation that I address the days of the week on which fatal collisions happen. From midnight on Saturday through to midnight on Sunday is currently the most dangerous time, as is Saturday. That coincides with aspects I will discuss later including exposure, when people are out socialising and the risk involved in that. Members should also note that Thursday is also a dangerous time. Members will see some graphs illustrating the time of day on which accidents occur, and there has been a shift in that regard.

Map 2 on page 7 shows serious injuries by county per million of population. I will read the legend on the left of the map. The lightest colour represents less than 120 serious injuries per million of population in 2007. The next light colour represents 120 to 240 serious injuries per million of population. The next colour moving up represents 240 to 360 serious injuries per million of population, and the darkest blue colour represents greater than 360 serious injuries per million of population.

Members can begin to understand the implications in terms of death and injuries for our health system and our emergency services. There are issues no doubt in terms of access to emergency services and retrieval services; the quicker those services can arrive at a collision the better the outcome. As the number of deaths on our roads have reduced, I anticipate that this year and into the future we will have a much greater focus on reducing the deaths and serious injuries. In the past we focused very much on reducing the number of deaths, we now need to move on and do whatever we possibly can to reduce the number of minor and serious injuries.

There is an under-reporting of injuries arising from road collisions. We do not have a national trauma register in our hospital system, while most other countries have one. Therefore, we know there is an under-reporting of such injuries. The figures shown in the submission are the best I can give the committee, but they represent an under-reporting in this respect.

We are in contact with the HSE and the Health Information Quality Authority to try to get a national trauma register in place, which would enable us to know a great deal more about those who suffer injuries, including serious injuries, where accidents occur, the outcome of them and the implications in terms of getting emergency and rescue services to people quickly to have them treated. The focus this year and into next year will change. We will continue to focus on reducing the number of fatalities but will focus more on trying to reduce the number of minor and serious injuries.

Table 5 on page 8 illustrates how our roads have become safer. Under the heading fatalities per million registered vehicles, in the period from 1997 to 2007 the number of fatalities halved. A motorist is half as likely to be injured or killed on our roads as he or she would have been in 1997. Significant improvements has occurred in that respect, despite the increase in population and the number of vehicles on our roads.

The graph on page 9 illustrates exposure and risk on our roads. Members may also have a difficulty in terms of the colours on this graph. The fatality rate dropped in 2007, with 2008 being the lowest. The number of registered vehicles has increased significantly, as has the population, the number of licence holders and fuel consumption. People's exposure to collisions is much greater than it would have been, yet thankfully we are making good progress in reducing the death rate.

The table on page 10 illustrates road deaths by road user type in 2007. The rate is high for car users, which is no surprise. The number of pedestrian fatalities, particularly pedestrians over the age of 65, is a serious issue. There has been a marked improvement and fall in the number of fatalities involving child pedestrians, but we have a significant problem in regard to pedestrians over the age of 65. Thankfully, good progress in this respect was made last year. The number of such fatalities was nearly halved, but too many pedestrians are dying on our roads in urban and rural settings.

In regard to the contributory factors to road collisions, there is never only one cause but often a multiplicity of factors. Based on all of the collisions we analysed for 2007, namely, 29,300 collisions which the Garda attended, in 82% of those investigations it was considered that the cause was down to the road user, something the driver, cyclist or passenger did. Some 13% of the fatalities involved pedestrians. Some 3% of the road fatalities in 2007 was down to road factors. My view is that this percentage is an under-estimation. It is based on what the Garda found in its initial investigation. Much more research is required. That equates to five fatalities that the Garda investigation considered were down to road factors. Much more work is needed in this area to enable us to obtain better data. Now that the Garda has in place forensic collision investigation across the country, I hope to be able to access that data when three or four years' data has been compiled and I imagine it would give us a much clearer picture as to the part environmental and road factors play in collisions. My estimation is that the 3% of fatalities arising from road factors is an understatement, but that is the current figure with which I have to work.

We base our costing of collisions on work done by Goodbody Economic Consultants. Based on 2007 figures, the cost of every fatal collision in this country was just under €3 million. The table on the total cost of fatal collisions in 2007, according to Goodbody's work, shows that serious injury collisions cost €386,000 each and minor injury collisions cost €38,000 each, of which there were 450. The vast majority of collisions are what we call material damage collisions, of which there were 23,700 and they cost, on average, €3,000 each. The total cost of road collisions, as shown at the bottom of that table, was €1,377 million. Thus, a massive amount of money is involved in this area. Members will note from Goodbody's work that for every euro the Exchequer spends on road safety in the broadest sense, it gets a return of €8. Therefore, when the system works, it gives a return on investment.

To comment briefly on internal factors, we have increased our standing in Europe significantly in terms of a reduction in road fatalities. In 2007 Ireland moved for the first time ever into the top ten best European performing countries. We are in ninth place. We do not yet know the outcome figures for all European countries for 2008. When we get them I estimate that, hopefully, Ireland will have moved up another few places in its performance in Europe in terms of road fatalities per million of population.

It is worth noting that prior to Christmas Dublin city was named the safest capital city in Europe in road safety terms based on the ten years from 1997 to 2007. That did not receive much media coverage but it is another good achievement for Ireland and is based on ten years of action. It will be a challenge for our capital city to retain that status.

The Chairman specifically asked me if I could get some data for 2008. All the data I have for 2008 is provisional. The year in this context does not close until 31 days after 1 January because if anybody dies 31 days after a road collision, that death is included as a road fatality. I will not have definite figures until all the coroners' cases are concluded. However, I am pretty confident there will not be major variations. Three or four fatalities may be taken out and reclassified by a coroner perhaps as a result of suicide or natural causes. Every year between three and six fatalities tend to be withdrawn from the figures.

Based on all the data I received to date from the Garda, which includes the 279 current fatalities, I have analysed them as best I can, bearing in mind the limitations that apply in that they may change marginally. The lowest number of fatalities were recorded in 2008, with 1959 being the lowest year prior to that when records began and 305 fatalities were recorded. Members will note from the table on page 15 the increase in the number of licensed vehicles and licence holders in that period. The number of fatalities for those years are in stark contrast to the number of fatalities in 1972, which was the worst year ever for fatalities when 640 people were killed on our roads, some 53 people a month. We have travelled a long way since then. The 2008 outturn of 279 fatalities is an 18% reduction on the number for 2006, which is a 9% reduction on the number for 2005. Therefore, we are definitely going in the right direction.

Table 13 illustrates, as requested, a breakdown of fatalities by road user type in 2008. The vast majority of fatalities, some 47%, involved car drivers, with pedestrians unfortunately being up at 16.8%. Those figures are an improvement on the figures for 2007, but they are not good enough. We must do much more to keep pedestrians safe. The number of fatalities involving cyclists is down slightly but the number is still a cause for concern. We need to reduce the number of cyclists being killed and injured, particularly given that fewer people seem to be cycling. While the figure is down slightly, it is not an indication that cyclists are at less risk.

Turning to some highlights of findings for 2008, 42% of the road deaths in 2008 were of people under the age of 25 years and one third of those were between 16 and 25 years of age, which is a serious issue. Reductions are occurring but not fast enough. Young people, in particular young men, remain disproportionately at risk. Some 46% of the road deaths in Ireland last year occurred at the weekend, with Sunday being the most dangerous day, accounting for a fifth of road deaths. The hour between 9 p.m. and 10 p.m. was the most dangerous period in the day, when 13% of all deaths occurred.

In the last two and half years there has been a significant shift in terms of road fatalities. When one turns on the radio or opens a newspaper on a Monday morning, one no longer reads of five or six young people killed in the late hours of Saturday night or early hours of Sunday morning. Garda enforcement measures, including random breath testing, education and other measures, have resulted in people changing their driving behaviour in those hours of the morning. Fatalities still occur but the number is nothing of the order that occurred in the past. We are not making progress in reducing fatalities in the early morning commute, the afternoon slump period between 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. and particularly late at night where people are tired when they are out and about. That remains an issue for us.

This type of data is exceptionally useful to the Road Safety Authority so that we can amend our campaigns to ensure we are reaching the people we need to reach but, most important, for the Garda Síochána to shift its enforcement to track and follow where things are happening. It is quite clear from this that there is a particular issue on Saturdays and Sundays. We need to talk to the Garda Síochána more about enforcement during that time.

The average monthly fatality rate in 2008 was 23 people per month. That is an awful lot of fatalities in a small country. It is better than we ever had before but it is not good enough. All the agencies have so much more to do collectively. We are heading in the right direction and we are ahead of where we thought we would be with the road safety strategy at this time but we face big risks.

Table 14 shows road collision fatalities in 2008 by age. Members will see the huge spike representing young people, in particular young men. Things settle down but one sees the spike again involving 65 year olds plus. One is talking about drivers, passengers and pedestrians. There are issues with older drivers and vulnerability and, in particular, with pedestrians.

Table 16 shows how the monthly average has been running. We would need a monthly average of 21 to meet the current strategy which states it should be 21 or better. I am certainly not comfortable with a strategy which states it is acceptable to kill 21 people per month. As a nation, we have seen that when all the agencies line up and when we have the policies in place, we get the return. The figure of 21 is a staging post to where we really need to be. Better countries would be down at approximately 45 deaths per month per million of population. We would need to be down at approximately 15 or 16 deaths per month per million of population. It would still be a lot of people losing their lives but that is the place to which we need to get to be up with the best.

The Chairman asked me to try to get some detail on the timing of fatal road collisions in 2008. Table 17 shows the timing of fatal collisions in 2008. The most dangerous time is 8 p.m. to 10 p.m., in particular 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. There is a spike in road fatalities in the early morning commute between 8 a.m. to 10 a.m. That is an issue. There are issues with the amount of alcohol present in people's systems at that time of the morning, to which I will return. Table 18 shows fatal collisions by day with a spike on Sundays.

I wish to talk about the contributory factors to death and injury on our roads. Car crashes in this country are the number one killers of young males. Driving at excessive and inappropriate speed for the conditions and competency of the driver is the primary cause of these crashes. For every kilometre a 17 year old male travels, he is eight times more likely to be involved in a serious collision than a 40 year old man. It has to do with experience, inexperience, risk-taking and exposure. Excessive and inappropriate speed is the biggest contributory factor in over 40% of fatal collisions.

I refer to simple physics. Speed at the point of impact determines the outcome. In 2007, 29,600 collisions were attended by the Garda Síochána. Speed at the point of impact in any one of those collisions determines the outcome. Any one of those has the propensity to be a fatal or serious injury collision.

In terms of pedestrians, five out of ten pedestrians will be killed if hit by a car travelling at 50 km per hour. We need to think about the way we provide for pedestrians in our built environment, both in the urban and rural settings. If we do not have safe places for pedestrians to cross the road and walk, if vergeways are not cut back in rural settings so that people are not forced out onto the road and if pedestrians do not behave with responsibility in terms of visibility, we will continue to have the kind of pedestrian fatalities we have.

There are issues for road users, in particular drivers, who need to be aware of pedestrians and to drive appropriately. However, there are also issues for pedestrians. For example, in Dr. Declan Bedford's research in 2003, of all the pedestrians killed on the roads, five were intoxicated and lying on the road at the point they were hit.

We have very serious issues with pedestrians. Kicking off next week with the vintners' association, we will give out free high visibility vests in 5,600 pubs across the country to try to target pedestrians who would be at risk. Later, in partnership with Age Action Ireland, we will give out 300,000 free high visibility vests through pharmacies to over 65s. We are trying to address the kind of issues to which I have alerted members in terms of pedestrians.

Alcohol is a contributory factor in four out of ten road fatalities in Ireland. Non-seat belt use remains a significant issue. We have seen improvements but not enough, in particular among back seat passengers. Unfortunately, 37% of secondary school children are not seat belted in the back of the car and 30% of primary school children are not seat belted in the back of the car. That is based on our field study in 2007. Those are issues of parental responsibility. One can do all the advertising one likes. However, parents are prepared to drive cars without having young children, in particular, belted. The fact that 37% of secondary school children travel in the back of a car without a safety belt is of great concern.

Across Europe, driver fatigue is now estimated to be a contributory factor in one in five, or 20%, of fatal collisions. That figure holds in Ireland also. Driving while experiencing fatigue has been shown to be as dangerous as driving at, or above, the drink driving limit. With the increase in commuting from satellite towns and the way our society has changed, many people commute early in the morning, do a day's work and commute home in the evening. There are issues in regard to fatigue for which there is no test. Any of us who have experienced fatigue will know how it impairs driving.

I refer to drug impaired driving which was raised with me when I appeared before the committee last February. The data are limited but there is evidence in Ireland that drug impaired driving is an issue. We are talking about prescription drugs, over the counter medicines, including 'flu remedies, illegal drugs and combinations. Professor Denis Cusack of the Medical Bureau of Road Safety has published significant data in this area. He identified approximately seven drugs of use and a phenomenon known as "polydrug use". For example, a young person going out at night may take some cocaine, later on in the night he or she may take some cannabis and have a small amount of alcohol and then drive.

Despite what people might say, it is not like testing for alcohol. There is not one simple test. Ireland is fortunate in that we have legislation which permits the gardaí, if they form the opinion someone is impaired by having intoxicants in his or her system, to request him or her to provide a blood or urine sample. However, they then must go to court and prove the person had the substance and that driving was actually impaired. That is a tough challenge and it is often challenged in court. The gardaí have some success but they have two hurdles over which to jump. They must form the opinion and prove the substance is in the system and then prove impairment. Polydrug use, a mixture of drugs and alcohol and, in particular, combinations of prescription drugs and over the counter drugs is definitely an issue in Ireland.

I refer to what we are doing. There are a number of actions in the road safety strategy. The gardaí and the medical bureau are tracking very carefully a number of pilot projects where hand-held devices are being piloted which test saliva or skin secretions. I am sure we will get that technology at some stage but not this year or next year.

There are actions in the strategy to examine the possibility of field impairment testing where gardaí would be trained to carry out a field impairment test. If one watches American television programmes, one will see that people are asked to walk a line, touch their nose or perform a physical function. In many situations where people are impaired, they are not able to do those things. Field impairment could be used to help the gardaí to form an opinion and then request a blood or urine sample and that is being looked at.

There is training under way for Garda officers to recognise the signs of drugs use, including the dilated pupils and the kind of behaviours which go with the seven main drugs of use. I understand the medical bureau is also looking at its capability in terms of being able to do more screening. There is a lot more to do.

The RSA is finalising its first ever drugs awareness campaign. We intend to launch it later this year to try to get the message out to people, in particular young people, to understand the implications.

We carried out an unprecedented number of driving tests last year. We made offers in respect of 474,400 driving tests. There are currently 55,000 people awaiting driving tests. The average wait throughout the country is eight weeks. The vast majority of the 55,000 people to whom I refer have already been given dates for their tests. We need to increase our capacity as regards driving tests in respect of motorbikes and trucks. Unfortunately, a number of industrial relations issues have arisen. However, I am in the process of dealing with these and I hope to be able to make progress on them in the coming weeks. We have managed to get the learner permit in place and address the backlog of driving tests. We are proceeding to review the content, quality and style of the test.

We published a consultation document last week in which we set out the kind of measures in place in other countries in respect of graduated driver licensing. We are not proposing that they be introduced in Ireland, we merely want people to offer their views on them. The consultation document refers to reduced alcohol levels, night-time curfews, increasing penalty points, hazard perception testing, age restrictions for passengers, compulsory tuition, restricted car power, extended driving supervision and a more detailed driving test. We are not suggesting that all of these would work in this country. For example, curfews cannot be imposed when there are limits with regard to accessibility to public transport. When we receive feedback on these issues we will bring forward recommendations to the Minister as quickly as possible. Primary legislation will be required to bring about any changes.

Members will recall the chart I showed them earlier which indicates those who are dying in road traffic accidents. People are not dying as a result of their being on provisional licences or learner permits; the problem relates to inexperience. People are at risk during the period when they are learning to drive and in the first two to three years after they have passed the test. We are trying to come up with measures that will keep these individuals as safe as possible and create a driving culture they will carry with them for life. The next generation of road users will then be in a better place than would have been the case with my generation in the context of preparedness to drive for life.

We also issued a consultation document on medical fitness to drive. We hope to report to the Minister by the end of March in respect of this matter. Many issues arise for people in the context of why everyone who reaches the age of 70 must attend for a medical examination. Nothing dramatic happens when individuals turn 70, so why should they be obliged to complete such an examination? We need to be much more focused on increasing people's mobility and their ability to use our roads. There are systems which identify those who, on medical grounds, should not be driving. We provide medical practitioners and specialist consultants with the legislation and policy to allow them to deal with such issues.

As the Chairman requested, I have touched upon blood alcohol issues. The Government's road safety strategy commits it to bringing forward a provision to reduce the current blood alcohol of 80 mg. Ireland, the UK and Malta are the only countries in which this level still applies. The Road Safety Authority was asked to examine this issue and make recommendations to the Minister on the most appropriate blood alcohol concentration, BAC. We made those recommendations and the Minister published them and the background research relating to them on his Department's website. The Road Safety Authority advised that the BAC for all drivers should be reduced from 80 mg to 50 mg. It also recommended that there should be a further reduction at some later date to 20 mg for professional drivers carrying out duties relating to their employment and for young and inexperienced drivers. I understand the Cabinet has given permission for a Bill to be drafted in respect of this issue. It will obviously be the responsibility of the Government and the Oireachtas to make a final decision on the matter. Approximately 112 different items of background scientific research relating to this subject are available and have been published.

The Road Safety Authority supports the introduction of mandatory testing of all drivers involved in collisions. We are of the view that this will be a matter of significant general deterrence. Under a mandatory testing regime, anyone involved in a collision would, regardless of whether they caused it, run the risk of being breathalysed and, if they are over the drink-drive limit, prosecuted. This would act as a major deterrent in the context of preventing people from driving after imbibing alcohol or taking drugs.

Would it be possible for Mr. Brett to repeat that point?

Mr. Noel Brett

We support the mandatory testing of any driver involved in a collision. This would mean that people who drink and drive and who are involved in collisions would no longer get away with it. Up to now, many of those involved in collisions have managed to avoid being breathalysed due to the fact that they were injured, that there was not a breathalyser available or whatever. Families would also achieve closure. If a person were innocent and had not been driving under the influence when an accident occurred, people could not state that he or she was drunk.

Would such testing apply in the case of all accidents, whether fatal or otherwise?

Mr. Noel Brett

Yes. There is a major deterrence aspect to mandatory testing. If a mandatory regime were introduced, not only would a person who drinks and drives be breathalysed if a garda suspected him or her of being under the influence, he or she would also be tested if he or she were involved in a collision, regardless of whether he or she caused it. This would act as a major deterrent and would impact significantly on drivers' behaviour and their willingness to risk driving when they have consumed alcohol. Research indicates that most people weigh up the risks of being caught before they drink and drive and act accordingly. The more mechanisms we can put in place to increase the risk of people being detected and prosecuted, the more we will reduce the number of individuals who engage in that type of behaviour.

Is it not the case that the introduction of mandatory testing would require the drafting of legislation?

Mr. Noel Brett

Yes.

The Minister, when speaking in the Dáil almost one year ago, promised to introduce such legislation. However, he has not yet taken action in this regard.

Mr. Noel Brett

I understand this matter will be dealt with in the Bill that is to be published.

We have completed our review of the use of agricultural and work vehicles on public roads, which is an extremely contentious issue. Such vehicles are increasingly beginning to feature in collisions on our roads. There was a major response to our public consultation on this matter and I hope to be in a position to make a formal proposal to the Minister for Transport by the end of March.

In the remainder of my submission I have set out information in respect of different work streams that are under way. Significant improvements have been made in enhancing safety on our roads and among road users. As a result of the policies put forward by the Oireachtas, the way the agencies are operating and the buy-in from members of the public, lives continue to be saved in large numbers. There is a great deal more which needs to be done in order to further reduce the figure for deaths and injuries on our roads.

While not always popular initially, tough policy decisions have been made and implemented. Research shows that people eventually come to appreciate such decisions. There has been strong cross-party support for many of the measures that have been introduced. The policy mix set out in the Government's road strategy is evidence based and has demonstrably proven its effectiveness, year on year, since implementation commenced. This mix is reducing the number of fatalities and injuries. It is also beginning to reduce the socioeconomic cost relating to accidents. When a truck crashes on the M50, traffic in Dublin becomes jammed up for the day. It is not merely the fatalities and injuries that are at issue, it is also the socioeconomic cost to people and business. We must continue to drive forward with our policies in order to reduce the latter.

In the current economic climate, it is obvious that we face a number of challenges. We must ensure that the standard, age and profile of our vehicle fleet does not deteriorate. There is anecdotal evidence available which indicates that people have stopped replacing their tyres when they are worn and are cutting back on servicing. As a result, the age, profile and quality of our vehicle fleet could deteriorate very quickly. I am concerned about this matter. We must find measures which will ensure that the quality and age of our fleet remains acceptable. If we do not do so, vehicle factors will become an issue.

I spoke recently to a person involved in the oil industry who indicated that there has been a significant double-digit drop in the sale of car lubricant. This indicates that people are not changing oil, car tyres, etc. We need to track developments in this regard extremely carefully. The economic aspects are not my area of expertise. However, anything that can be done to increase the quality of the vehicle fleet and its maintenance and profile has to be worthwhile.

We also face challenges in the context of ensuring that the built infrastructure is maintained and that the quality of road surfaces does not deteriorate. The lining and signing of roads, road treatment, gritting, roadside maintenance and the opening of waterways must continue, particularly in the context of local and regional roads. This will ensure that the infrastructure does not deteriorate. As already stated, 3% of fatalities were adjudged to have been caused by road factors. Some 11 people died in 2007 when their cars collided with utility poles. There are a number of serious issues in respect of which we must push on. Maintaining the current infrastructure will be of significant importance.

We must ensure that we keep the road-using public with us in respect of these matters. We must also continue to implement the strategy. If the strategy is implemented in full and on time, we will save 400 lives.

On behalf of the board of the RSA and on my own behalf, as the Accounting Officer, I thank the committee for the opportunity to attend for this discussion and to answer questions and, in particular, for its support, guidance and oversight of our work.

I thank Mr. Brett for his comprehensive report and for the good work the authority is doing. I would like to express our appreciation to him and to his chairman for his high profile exposure of the difficulties that exist. It is encouraging that the lowest number of road fatalities ever was recorded in 2008. The work done by the authority is very much bearing fruit.

However, I refer to the question of the authority and the Garda being in a position to report quickly on fatal accidents. Mr. Brett said the only figures he has available relate to 2007, although I appreciate we are only at the beginning of 2009. If the authority and the Garda were able to report publicly more quickly on the details and causes of road accidents, it would have a significant preventative effect. That should be combined with the authority's advertising campaigns, particularly on television. The Garda representatives informed the committee that it takes a long time for them to make inquiries and reach conclusions on the causes of accidents. When Mr. Brett appeared before the committee last February, reference was made to a road accident in which two non-nationals driving on the wrong side of the road as they passed a row of cars on the N7 were fatally injured. We have heard nothing about that accident since. It would make sense to give such an accident exposure, as it was clearly caused by dangerous driving.

A poignant road accident occurred in County Tipperary at the end of 2008 in which three young people were killed. It would be of great significance if the details of the cause of that accident were put before the public quickly. Will the authority examine in conjunction with the Garda how reports and conclusions on road accidents such as these can be put before the public quickly as a preventative measure, particularly for young people? Mr. Brett stated 42% of road deaths involve people aged under 25 with one third of those aged between 16 and 25. We are aware why these accidents take place and that would have an impact on young people. Every day a young person driving unaccompanied or travelling with other young people hits a wall or something else.

Will the authority consider producing a television programme every few months, similar to "Crimeline", which would clearly indicate why these accidents took place and what happened to act as a preventative measure?

Mr. Noel Brett

I agree completely with the Chairman. It is an issue my own chairman gets quite exercised about. Both of us are of the view that the more the public understand what happened in a given collision, the more they can modify their own behaviour and be aware of it. I will work as hard as I can with the Garda regarding how these collisions are reported and how the reports are released to the media to try to get out as much information as we can.

We recently produced new guidelines for the media on reporting collisions. We are trying to get the language right by moving away from calling them "accidents" and using references to, for example, a vehicle running off the road. We need to talk more about losing control. There are significant limitations in commenting on a collision until the coroner's, civil and criminal pieces are completed. We have had several examples of people commenting in the media about a high profile collision before it emerged another factor was involved such as the driver suffering a heart attack. His or her family then feel seriously aggrieved that someone has implied something else. However, I will redouble my efforts with the Garda to see whether we can get more details out in order that people understand what happened and that they will not only hear that a car ended up in a field but will hear why and what happened beforehand. I understand the limitations on the Garda in providing this information because of the criminal, civil and cornoner's aspects but I agree with the Chairman a middle ground needs to be found.

Will Mr. Brett request in conjunction with the Garda that the courts, coroners and whoever else is involved give priority to fatal road accidents in order that they can be put through the system as a matter of urgency and conclusions can be reached within a few months as to why the accidents happened and people died? Will he come back to the committee on it?

I congratulate Mr. Brett and Mr. Byrne not only on their work over the past 12 months but also over the past few years since they were appointed. I was asked to take on the job of Fine Gael spokesperson on road safety three and a half years ago because of the Kentstown bus crash in my own county. The authority has implemented many new ideas and it has spent a significant sum promoting road safety. Mr. Brett is not happy with last year's road fatality figures and the authority would like to reduce the number. We will work towards that together.

The authority's education programme to promote road safety on television and radio has been effective and I hope similar funding will be made available for the next 12 months and beyond. It is difficult for the Government to allocate money for everything but this is a successful programme. I refer to the provision of full-time road safety officers. They make it their business to educate children in schools, particularly at primary level, and this is having a significant effect in counties where such officers are in place. The RSA recommends that a full-time road safety officer be appointed in every county but some counties are reluctant to do so because of a lack of funding. Will Mr. Brett insist this happens?

Drink driving and speeding are still two of the biggest killers. While it is politically incorrect as we approach the local elections to discuss drink driving and reduced speed limits, our young people have responded to the education programme and they are more responsible than people of my age. Regardless of the elections, we cannot lay off. The authority must continue to preach the message to people that if they drink, they should not drive.

I am not happy that the Garda has been given sufficient powers to take people aged 17 and 23 who are causing accidents and being killed off the road. Laws are in place relating to licensing and so on but young people are still driving unaccompanied while on a provisional licence. Gardaí should be given the power to impound the cars of these drivers who should not be given a second chance. This will be part of my submission on road safety. There are four or five young people in every parish who stay in bed all day. They then congregate at night and buy a car for €400 or €500. They know when the gardaí are off duty and they cause mayhem on back roads. The road fatality figures back this up. The Garda must be given more powers to put them off the road.

Road conditions are an issue dear to my heart and three and a half years ago Fine Gael called for the auditing of every road. We only audit 3% of our roads.

Two months ago, we heard an outcry from every county about the deterioration in road conditions following the first frost of the winter. There were numerous traffic accidents placing great cost on the Exchequer. Despite that outcry, yesterday's frost caused similar difficulties. Within eight miles of my house, four cars were written off in accidents on the N52. This morning, a head-on collision occurred on a council road and both occupants were taken to hospital. Similar accidents are occurring across my own and every other county. Can the Road Safety Authority take control of the auditing of our roads? It must be done by an independent body. County councils will only spend money on areas where they have been requested to do so by public representatives.

Mr. Noel Brett

We now have education programmes at junior and senior level in primary and at junior and senior level in secondary schools. Every secondary school has a transition year teacher trained by the Road Safety Authority and can offer a 20 or 40 hour road safety programme, up to and including the driver theory test. On 29 January, we will launch the third level road safety programme in all third level institutions in the country. In late February we will launch the community and employment programmes. We have been funded and have made huge strides. We are getting co-operation from all the agencies.

The promotion of road safety is like assembling a very complex jigsaw. No single piece solves the problem. They must all be put together. Education is a very important part of our work. Action 16 of the road safety strategy stipulates that every local authority will appoint a full-time road safety officer. That action, for each local authority, is due by the second quarter of 2009. Several local authorities already have a full-time road safety officer and they are of great assistance. We train them and provide them with materials. Where they are in place there is much more traction and much more is happening for community groups and schools.

Our experience is that the vast majority of young people are a shining example and take learning to drive very seriously. They spend their pocket money or earnings on driving lessons and are very serious and committed. A small number of young people exist outside all of those rules. In the collision on New Year's Eve to which the Chairman referred, for example, not one occupant of the car was eligible for a learner permit. These young people are the minority.

With regard to enforcement, the new rules were not popular initially but they are now in place. It is now an offence for a learner to drive unaccompanied or without L plates. In the first eight weeks of the new regime, the Garda detected and prosecuted 1,400 such drivers. Because the number waiting for the driving test is now below 55,000, there is no excuse for this offence. It is important that the law is enforced. Gardaí have powers to remove cars which are uninsured or untaxed and they do so. I am sure the Garda Commissioner would say he has difficulty finding storage space for confiscated cars but gardaí have powers and they use them.

A difficulty arises when young drivers combine inexperience and too much belief in their own competence. The practice of young people buying a second hand car off the side of the road, as happened in the case the Chairman referred to, is a serious issue. Only this week, I wrote to every county manager in the country asking that they look again at their procedures. Some local authorities, such as Wexford and Mayo, take very robust action. They have put by-laws in place under planning and litter legislation and they remove and impound such cars. Other local authorities do not do so.

In the current economic climate, more cars than ever are placed for sale at roundabouts, in car parks and on the side of roads. It is inevitable that some of these will fall into the hands of the young and inexperienced people to whom the Chairman referred. We need to redouble our efforts to have cars sold through proper agencies. The Oireachtas has provided the tool. It is an offence to provide or sell a vehicle to a person under age. We must remove the temptation from young people and redouble parental supervision.

When a collision occurs involving very young people driving such a car, one often finds that the car has been driving around a locality for a number of weeks and that everyone has been concerned about it but no one has done anything. We urge parental responsibility. Furthermore, no one should sell a car to a minor, or an unroadworthy car to anyone. I also urge people to report their concerns to the Garda so that these issues can be formally logged and dealt with.

Random breath testing is not a popular measure, but how can it be right for Ireland to allow our citizens to drive with four times the amount of alcohol of some European nations? New research from the coroner in Cork is about to be published in the Irish Medical Journal, in which she makes stark findings about the amount of alcohol involved in fatalities in the Cork area. In her summary, she draws attention to fact that two strategic task forces on alcohol since the early 2000s recommended a reduction in the legal limit of alcohol from 80 milligrams to 50 milligrams per 100 millilitres of blood. She says her research supports that call for reduction. The Road Safety Authority believes this must happen and we look forward to legislation being introduced. It will then be a matter for Members of the Oireachtas to decide on the level.

Could Mr. Brett deal with my question about road conditions? This problem is not being tackled by any county council. They are making statements and hedging the issue. Does Mr. Brett think an independent audit should be carried out on all our rural roads?

Mr. Noel Brett

There are actions in the road safety strategy under the headings of education, enforcement and vehicle and road engineering. For example, there is an action for the Department of Transport to issue new engineering guidelines on the setting of speed limits and for every local authority to review its speed limits. The appropriateness and acceptability of speed limits is a big issue. Remedial works on collision-prone zones are required. Each local authority is autonomous. I do not have any control over local authorities. I am not an engineer and the RSA does not have road expertise or engineers in-house. We have neither the statutory function nor the expertise to deal with Deputy McEntee's issue. Anything I would say about road engineering would be my own opinion. I do not have any competence in that area. The National Roads Authority and the local authorities are the bodies whose task that is. Without legislation and significant resources, the RSA is not in a position to comment on Deputy McEntee's observations. I would be on shaky ground arguing with any county manager because I am not an engineer and I do not have the necessary expertise. Our functions are clearly set out in the Act which established the RSA. They specifically exclude road design, engineering and maintenance.

I welcome Mr. Brett and congratulate him and his chairman on the achievements of the authority in the last number of years and on his hard work. The Health and Safety Authority tried to get involved in the question of auditing roads because of the importance of road safety for people going to work and school. Would Mr. Brett support the Health and Safety Authority becoming the auditor of the national road network or would the audit be more appropriately carried out by the Road Safety Authority?

The RSA lost €8 million in the recent budget cutbacks. Part of this arose from the backlog in driver testing. Will these budgetary constraints impact on the authority in the coming year? Will the authority lose staff? These questions are important in view of the success of the authority and the work that remains to be done.

There is a feeling among the public in the Dublin area that the level of Garda enforcement of road safety legislation and random breath testing was reduced in mid-December, possibly due to financial cutbacks. Have the cutbacks in the Garda Síochána impacted negatively on enforcement in recent months?

My colleague and I have raised the issue of speed cameras on numerous occasions. What is the current position on their roll-out? I accept the matter is one for the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform but how many hours of speed monitoring will there be? The example of the Australian model in the state of Victoria was given. It has been stated all drivers need to be checked at least once every two months. What concerns arise in this regard in terms of the roll-out of speed cameras and how, in Mr. Brett's view, will this be done?

Mr. Brett's report is comprehensive in that it answers many of the questions we have raised. On drug driving, is it not the case that other countries provide for a roadside drug test, including such states as Victoria and Queensland in Australia? Mr. Brett referred to Professor Cusack from the Medical Bureau of Road Safety who has done outstanding work in this regard. Should we not be able to deliver something in terms of checks, given our awareness of the level of drug usage in this country?

On the performance of the legal profession, Members will be aware that during a two week period in November almost 700 drivers were acquitted of speeding charges owing to legal anomalies. In one instance, 100 speeding prosecutions were dismissed because of the failure of two local authorities to notify changes in speed limits in Iris Oifigiul. In this regard, what are Mr. Brett’s concerns? Are we being let down by the courts, the legal profession and gross incompetence on the part of local authorities which do not adhere to the rule of law in the implementation of speed limits?

My final question relates to the graduated driving licence, an issue I have raised with the Taoiseach, the Minister for Transport, Deputy Dempsey, and other contacts. One wonders about the manner in which the country is being run. On several occasions the Taoiseach has informed me that legislation is not required but we are now being told by the Road Safety Authority that it is. Perhaps Mr. Brett will outline the position in that regard. One of the most interesting ideas floated is that all young drivers should be provided with a logbook and required to keep a log for the first couple of years of driving.

What Mr. Brett appears to be saying in respect of the car fleet is that there is a danger, given the current low volume of car sales, that cars on the roads will be older, as motorists will not in current economic circumstances be in a position to change or maintain their cars. Would Mr. Brett favour the introduction of a scrappage scheme? Does he believe the Government should consider the introduction of such a scheme?

On behalf of the Labour Party, I introduced a Private Members' Bill to make it an offence for a car dealer to sell a car to a young person who had no driving licence or insurance. The Taoiseach subsequently took on board one of the central points of that Bill in the Road Traffic Bill. Do we need to be much harder on car dealers, given what we have learned from media reports on the horrendous car crash in north Tipperary? I accept there are many car dealers in operation and that many car owners choose to sell their cars privately. However, there are others who own cars that are ten or 15 years old.

My colleague referred to boy racers who are to be found in every county. Senator Brady and I are well aware of this problem in our constituency. We are concerned that unscrupulous dealers are continuing to get away with selling cars to boy racers. They should be charged in respect of the criminal acts that take place on the roads as a result of their behaviour.

Mr. Noel Brett

Deputy Broughan has raised a number of issues which I will try to address in the order in which they were raised.

With regard to oversight, obviously the Health and Safety Authority sought to take action against the relevant local authorities. The finding in the court case was that it did not have the legal power to do so. That is the point I was making. The authority does not have the legal power to address the issue. However, whoever does have it, should use it. It does not matter who addresses the issue as long as it is addressed. It is difficult to expect a local authority engineer to take responsibility for a road in a particular area and then examine his or her own work or that of colleagues when a collision occurs. He or she is placed in an invidious position. In other modes of transport there are specialist investigation units. Perhaps the Garda needs access to independent engineers. I am sure the board of the RSA would be happy to participate in any way possible but there needs to be a discussion of the best model for us. Each agency is independent. The required standards are in place. The issue is how they are audited and policed.

On funding, the decrease in the RSA's funding this year is directly related to its not having to carry out a vast number of driver tests this year, as the number of applications has reduced. The RSA Vote allocation this year is approximately €35 million. The balance of almost €8.5 million is made up of income. We are fortunate in that we receive income for driver testing, from the NCT service and other places. As such, we are protected. Obviously, we are operating within a tight budget, like all other organisations, private, public or voluntary, but at this point we are not seeking staff reductions. We can manage the reductions we have to make, in terms of overtime and so on, within our pay budget. At this point our staffing and core budgets are protected.

As I stated in my submission, while we have reached a plateau, the situation which prevailed in 2004 and 2005 could be easily repeated. It is a real possibility. Notwithstanding the economic climate, we need to redouble our efforts across all agencies to ensure that does not happen.

How many have died on the roads since Christmas?

Mr. Noel Brett

Up to 9 a.m., including last night's fatalities, the figure was 14.

That is the figure since 1 January.

Mr. Noel Brett

Yes, the figure for the same period last year is 17. January has been a particularly horrendous month. I had hoped the figure would be lower. There is always a risk that we will go backwards. Last January the average monthly figure was 25. This year, it is 22. One requires data compiled over a number of years, rather than weeks or months, to provide accurate figures.

The RSA has received its funding and staffing figures and must keep going. The board is adamant that the authority will be as effective and efficient as possible. We are doing greater volumes of work at lower cost than heretofore, of which we are mindful. We will do everything we possibly can to ensure we obtain maximum value for every euro we spend.

I am not aware of any Garda cutbacks but the Garda Commissioner may be the best person to answer that question. I do not have any feedback on enforcement. On speed cameras, I was told by the assistant Garda commissioner prior to attending this meeting that the scheme would be implemented. I checked the Garda policing plan and noted they were included for provision during the third and fourth quarters of this year. I am also told funding — some €10 million — has been provided. I have received no indication of any slippage. From my point of view, it is essential that the cameras are rolled out, as we have no other major initiative this year. If the Oireachtas decided at this stage to reduce blood alcohol levels, a 12 to 18 month lead-in time would be required to enact the legislation, procure equipment, train officers and educate the public. The provision of speed cameras is the only major initiative available to us this year to stop us reaching that plateau. Members will be aware that 104 Garda cars have been fitted with AMPR cameras. The early feedback is that they are very successful. The Garda receives downloads at 3 a.m. from the insurance federation in respect of insured vehicles. The cameras, installed in marked and unmarked cars, automatically check whether a car is insured, taxed or stolen and provide the Garda with information and intelligence. The system is working effectively. Also, eight digital vans with night-time capability, formerly GATSO vans, are operating across the country. I am not aware, therefore, of any delay in the provision of speed cameras. The quicker they are installed, the better.

On drug driving, the device used in Australia on a pilot basis tests saliva. Issues have arisen in stopping people. It takes three minutes to test saliva. While this is the area of expertise of the Garda and Professor Cusack, rather than grabbing the first generation devices, my personal opinion is that we should ensure every garda is educated in detecting the signs. We have field impairment tests and have in place the requisite legislation. Thereafter, we can run with the most appropriate device. We already have many tools which we should be using. We also have much public education work to do, particularly with younger people who may think they are okay because they only have smoked a joint. We need to get on with such work this year.

As for the Deputy's questions on the courts and the legal profession, sentencing is obviously a matter for each individual judge. I welcome the reporting in the newspapers this morning of yesterday's Supreme Court judgment, in which the judge ruled there was contributory negligence on the part of someone who knowingly travelled with a drunk driver and that such persons were not entitled to claim. I greatly welcome that judgment which sends an important message. In his summing up the judge stated attitudes had changed. Campaigns have been mounted and everyone now knows that drink driving is no longer acceptable and that if one takes a lift with someone who is drunk, one cannot then sue. That is an extremely important message. Moreover, the judge went further by stating that even were one intoxicated oneself when taking such a lift, that it would not constitute a defence, which is highly significant.

The board also formally welcomed the decision of the Director of Public Prosecutions to give his reasons when not proceeding in cases involving fatalities on the road. This will be highly useful in our understanding of the reasons cases do not proceed, as well as for families, and constitutes a highly significant move by the legal profession. As for the law generally, is it not ironic that Ireland's road traffic legislation is the most challenged and that people continually challenge it? Obviously when loopholes are identified, the most important thing to do is to close them off and not repeat them. However, this is a reflection of attitudes in society. While all surveys suggest people think such behaviour is wrong, those who get caught still will try to get around it. Clearly, it is a challenge to ensure legislation is watertight and that there is an action in the road safety strategy to consolidate all the road traffic legislation in Ireland. This will be very important because it is a minefield of amendments and clauses. This task is set out as an action in the strategy for the Department of Transport and I will greatly welcome consolidation to the greatest extent and as rapidly as possible.

Deputy Broughan spoke about a scrappage scheme. I do not fully comprehend or understand the underlying economics. Obviously, this is a matter for the Department of Finance. However, I certainly will welcome any measure that can be taken to maintain the newness and quality of the fleet to the highest possible standard and which helps people to service and replace tyres. In the light of the information we possess, I would be happy to engage with any agency or Department to ascertain how this could be done.

The Deputy touched briefly on car dealers and the selling of vehicles to under-age persons. In other jurisdictions car dealers who sell more than three cars per year are required to be licensed. Perhaps this could be done with a body such as SIMI and there is significant merit in trying to so do. We must protect legitimate traders and ensure they are not undermined by cars coming in from outside the jurisdiction in large quantities to be sold under their noses. Were we to allow that to happen, we would lose the quality dealers and quality vehicle repairers. There is significant employment in the sector and we should maintain the quality of the fleet by dealing with the best quality vehicle repairers. We do not need shoddy people repairing crashed cars, unqualified mechanics or backstreet garages but the best quality. Consequently, my interest in participating in such a scheme is strong.

As for boy racers, the term is highly offensive to many young people, although the Deputy is referring to a highly specific cohort. I have no problem with young people who modify vehicles legitimately and legally and use them properly. The young people about whom we have concerns are those who modify vehicles in a manner that is dangerous, illegal and will cause noise nuisance and general hazard to road users. Since I appeared before the joint committee last February, when members raised this issue with me, the authority has carried out a detailed public consultation process on component parts. It transpires that in Ireland one can place on the market and can sell, buy and fit component parts that are not type approved. I refer to loud exhausts, modified suspensions and so on. We have made recommendations to the Minister to make it an offence to place on the market, sell, fit or use non-type approved components. Tyres, exhausts and all components should comply with those originally fitted on the car when it was manufactured and received its type approval. This is a highly significant measure which will not be popular with some sectors which like to engage in such activity. I hope the Minister will consider it.

We have relet the NCT contract and from the end of the year, when the new contract will come into effect, equipment will have been procured to test noise emissions from vehicles, the opacity of tinted windows, suspensions and all such modifications around which one can get. These are my main responses to the Deputy.

In common with other members, I recognise the good work being done by the Road Safety Authority. I to state publically that the authority is good value for money and earns its keep. I also lend my support to the point made by Deputy McEntee on the condition of roads. Unfortunately, this applies, in particular, to the Deputy's county. Any time I travel around County Meath, roadworks, rather than the roads, leave much to be desired. For example, I refer to warning notices of road closures. They are erected at the point at which one comes on the road closure and there are no pre-warning signs along the way. Moreover, signs are left for ages along roads indicating they are flooded and so on and this is done in a highly haphazard fashion. I recently travelled the road from Navan to Athboy at night and it was quite dangerous. Roadworks were under way and nothing was visible until one actually came upon it. I support Deputy McEntee on that point.

Mr. Brett mentioned the issue of drugs in which I have taken a special interest. I correspond on a regular basis with the Cheshire police, the experts in this regard. How many drug-impaired drivers are on the roads? How many gardaí have received sufficient training to detect accurately drug driving? Does Mr. Brett consider the public to have been educated about drug driving to the same extent as drink driving? His presentation emphasised drink and alcohol, as we all are inclined to do, but there was little mention of drug driving. For example, while I do not know the position in Ireland, in the United Kingdom it is not illegal to have drugs in the system but it is illegal to be impaired while driving. There are various testing methods, a few of which were mentioned by Mr. Brett, such as roadside drug testing and fitness tests. In the United Kingdom those who fail a fitness test and in whom no alcohol is present are brought in and subject to a blood test. If drugs are detected in the system, they are taken to court, prosecuted and jailed. They also conduct ongoing campaigns in pubs. I have one to hand that outlines that those who are caught with drugs in their system while driving will be stopped, prosecuted, jailed and so on. In Ireland, even the Christmas campaign on drink driving, makes no mention of drugs. I wish to digress to relate how I was contacted recently by a taxi driver who was highly concerned about the number of people driving taxis who allegedly were addicted to drugs. This is very dangerous, particularly for those who provide public service vehicles.

My final point is that there should be education in schools on this issue. Moreover, as in other countries, there should be a major concentration of police officers to detect this activity at festivals, concerts and similar events. Mr. Brett's presentation includes accident statistics involving alcohol. However, as far as I am aware, we do not keep similar statistics pertaining to drugs. A garda once told me that in his view the number prosecuted for drug driving in Ireland was non-existent. In Britain, however, they prosecute 90%, of whom one third are convicted. A number of accidents have taken place in Britain in which entire families have been wiped out. One involved a guy who drove a cab truck down a motorway in the middle of the day because he was taking cannabis that had been prescribed for a medical condition he had. This issue pertains to both prescribed and non-prescribed drugs. I want to drive this point home, as it is of considerable concern. More emphasis should be placed on creating an awareness about the issue and on catching the many people in question, including those involved in the so-called business of selling drugs. Surely some of them must drive. They do not travel on the back of seagulls.

I will leave it at these few points that I wanted to bring to Mr. Brett's attention. He already has some awareness of them, given that he also raised the issues.

I congratulate the Road Safety Authority on its document for a simple reason, namely, the graphs are going in the right direction for the first time since I became a Member of the House, although perhaps not quickly enough.

I have three or four questions to ask, although the first is really a comment. The introduction of penalty points for speeding should be well remembered. The whole of the country was on edge and people did what they should have been doing. After 12 months, however, they found that enforcement was not what it should have been. We know what occurred. I put it to Mr. Brett that the same will recur if the foot of enforcement is taken off the pedal, if he will pardon the pun. It is not everything, but we do not have time today to discuss the issues of culture and education. Enforcement is an important matter. I hope that the committee will not be told in one year's time that enforcement could not be put in place due to cutbacks in the funding of the RSA and the Garda.

Two other matters may seem small, but I believe that they are important. There is an operational and procedural conflict between the RSA and the National Roads Authority in so far as pedestrians and pedestrian crossings are concerned. Last week, a fatal accident in Ballygar in my county saw an elderly woman killed while crossing the road. A pedestrian crossing should have been built two years ago, but it was not. Mr. Brett's graph shows that pedestrians aged over 60 years are vulnerable. Will he outline the type of interaction between the RSA and the NRA on this issue? A few years ago, a letter I received from the NRA stated that, since no accident had occurred or was likely to occur at that location, there would be no pedestrian crossing. It is too late to build one if someone has already died.

I want to draw Mr. Brett's attention to the use of agricultural and works vehicles on public roads, a matter that he also mentioned. While I am aware that many members of the travelling public would prefer never to see a tractor on the road, we live in an agricultural country. Members of the farming community, lorry fleets and so on must be careful and have good, well-lit machinery, but let it never be said that they should not be entitled to use roads for their everyday use. It is important that there be some understanding in this regard. A farmer must be able to use the public road because it is the only way in which much of his or her business can be done. All safety regulations should be adhered to fully. I do not want to hear a new message to the effect that, for some strange reason, those vehicles should not be allowed on public roads. It would not be a good commercial decision.

How many fixed speed cameras will be installed? Is there a danger of people learning of their locations from websites? I assume that it should not occur, but it might regardless.

The locations are marked. A sign is placed on the road to tell one where they are.

Yes. I should know the answer to my final question and I am sure that Mr. Brett knows. Is it an offence for one motorist to dip his or her lights or to indicate to another motorist in another way the fact that such a camera is down the road?

We shall hear from Deputy Dooley, followed by Deputies Kennedy, Feighan and O'Dowd.

I welcome Mr. Brett and thank him for his comprehensive documentation and his ongoing work with Members throughout the year. He is one of those public servants who deliver in an exceptional way, as stated by Senator Brady, and remains in contact with Members whenever they require assistance or information. For this, we owe him a great debt of gratitude. At a time when the public service is not recognised as well as it might be, it is important to see the value brought to Irish life by people like Mr. Brett and his organisation.

I have a number of quick questions, as Mr. Brett has covered many areas today and in the documentation, which pre-empted many of our questions. Does he believe that the economic boom was in any way related to the increase in the number of road deaths between 2002 and 2005 in particular? Will the economic downturn have an impact? While I do not want to take from his work or that of his organisation, is there an economic element to the issue?

Table 17 on page 18 contains the most striking information provided to the committee in terms of identifying the spread of road deaths during daylight hours, particularly in the 8 a.m. to 10 a.m. bracket. It has been suggested that people who had consumed alcohol the night before and were travelling to work early might have been a factor. To some extent, it is difficult to understand why there is nearly the same number of fatalities between noon and 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. and 6 p.m. These seem to be the periods of greatest road activity, but one would expect that alcohol was not a factor. Why does Mr. Brett believe that there is a problem?

After Sunday, Thursday seems to be the day with the greatest concentration of fatalities. What advice does Mr. Brett have in this regard?

Regarding Deputy Connaughton's statement, I noted Mr. Brett's comments on the use of agricultural vehicles on public roads, which is a serious issue. I represent a rural community and no simple solution will be found. The RSA will need to work with farmers' representatives to ensure better and safer road usage. Lighting and proper equipment are also essential. Like Deputy Connaughton, however, I am concerned that a sledgehammer approach might be used, which would not allow the farming community to carry out its business. Similarly, the commercial activities of large distributors require that there be large HGVs on our roads, but we have previously seen statistics to the effect that HGVs cause a certain percentage of accidents. Therefore, it is important that we watch the agricultural side of the matter and ensure that it be allowed to continue.

The issue of roads management or maintenance, which was raised by Deputy McEntee, is clearly not a matter for the RSA, but it is a serious road safety issue. Even the NRA takes a shoddy approach to maintenance in its works. In the United States of America, it is the law that a police cruiser be present at the start point of road works to alert people of the dangers that lie ahead. While it may be outside the RSA's remit, it might be important for Mr. Brett to comment in this regard and to indicate that the problem should be addressed by some agency. I would welcome his views.

Mr. Noel Brett

I agree with Senator Brady concerning road conditions. We must find a way of keeping the quality of the roads up to standard.

Regarding drugs, we are running our first drugs awareness campaign nationally. Since we were established two years ago we have been present at all of the big outdoor music festivals, at the young scientist exhibition and at the ploughing championships. The committee has done much research in this area.

On taxi drivers having substances in their systems while driving, we think professional drivers, such as taxi drivers and bus drivers should not have the same level of alcohol as an ordinary driver. The point was well made in respect of all other substances. Someone like that is in a position of extra risk.

The coaches of Matthews Coach Hire Limited were recently fitted with Alcolocks. The vehicle cannot start if the driver has alcohol in his or her system. Technology moves on and we must use it. We should learn from Cheshire and other constabularies, as suggested. I promise members that, when we launch our campaign, it will be among the best in terms of getting the message across. It is correct to say that the vast majority of other people of all ages in this country have not been properly educated about the dangers of taking drugs — prescription or illegal drugs — and using the road in whatever context, including as cyclists or pedestrians. We have a major job to do and we will do our level best to deliver it this year. The point has been made very clearly.

I will respond to Deputy Connaughton's points briefly. The worsening in fatalities after the introduction of penalty points is reflected in the graph on page 3, to which I referred. One year after penalty points were introduced, there was a major drop, one of the lowest totals in a year, with 70 fewer people killed in a year. It increased immediately afterwards. People figured out that the likelihood of getting caught was not great. The penalty points system was not computerised and people, myself included, realised that. I was not working in this area at that time but I recall this. That is the risk we now face. We have had a major return from mandatory alcohol testing but if there is any drop-off in enforcement people quickly revert to the behaviour they can get away with.

From a haulage point of view and from the point of view of rural Ireland, I am exceptionally mindful of the use of agricultural work vehicles on public roads. I live in one of the most rural parts of Ireland. That is why we have done such detailed public consultation documents. I have met with the IFA and other groups. We are acutely aware that we live in an agricultural country. These are vehicles that have a right in law to be on the road. People are entitled to carry their produce and use the road. We want to ensure that vehicles are roadworthy, and that they have proper lighting and brakes. We have had several incidents involving very old tractors in poor condition in the last quarter of the year. We want the drivers properly trained and we want the trailers to be fit for purpose and good enough to be on the road. We are concerned that, because of the economy, many marts are taking place at night because people are not full-time farmers. Vehicles coming to and from marts must be properly lit, safe and must interact with other road users properly. Deputy Dooley made this point very well. Having said that, we cannot have tractors involved in illegal haulage. We cannot have JCBs fasttrack hauling containers out of Dublin Port. We must protect the legitimate haulage industry but we must realise that Ireland is a rural country and people have the right to earn a living.

We must understand the plight of rural agricultural contractors. Whatever we come up with must allow these people to make a living outside the harvest season. Otherwise there will not be any tractors or machines to cut the oat or silage harvest. We are aware of the need to find a niche for agricultural contractors so that they can work year-round, that the kit is paid for and that it is not parked up. I am acutely aware of the complexity of the situation and I promise that we will do our level best to come up with recommendations for the Minister. Ultimately, it will be for the Oireachtas to decide.

Deputy Connaughton referred to the location of speed cameras, which are on the Garda Síochána website, www.garda.ie. The locations are based on collision prone zones, the kinds of maps I showed members. The Garda Síochána has maps with this data on the number of speed related collisions for the past seven years. That is how the Garda Síochána decides where to place cameras. The cameras rotate across those sites. We are working on a campaign to communicate the idea that we do not want people’s money or licences, we want to save their lives. We need people to know where the cameras are and to change their behaviour. In the early years, one would expect to see the bulk of these cameras in your face, as the Chairman says, so that one knows where they are and one changes behaviour. Over time, they might become more covert but the idea is not to catch people but to save lives and reduce speed in locations where speeding is taking place. We will know that these cameras are successful when local councillors are banging down our door, seeking a camera in their area because people realise that cameras save lives. We must move towards this scenario.

It is an offence to alert another road user to a Garda checkpoint. The offence is obstructing a Garda in the course of duty. These cases are prosecuted. At most mandatory alcohol checkpoints there are unmarked Garda vehicles or motorcycles at either side of the checkpoint, some 100 yards away, because many people get flashed and turn back. The Garda Síochána gets detections in that way. It is an offence and is also foolhardy. The purpose of the Garda Síochána is not to catch motorists but to save my life and the lives of others on the road. I think this behaviour is dying out but we all engaged in it in a different time.

I thank Deputy Dooley for his comments about me and the RSA. I am delighted to be here with these figures because on too many occasions I appeared with figures showing a different trend. It is important to realise that the road safety strategy is not about the RSA, which is a small player. It is an example of public policy at its best. The Oireachtas has passed legislation, there is cross-party support, all agencies are working under a strategy and being held to account by fora such as this. That is what is being delivered. Ultimately it is a mix of education, enforcement and engineering. The vast majority of Irish citizens have taken this to heart, have taken responsibility and have changed their behaviour. The RSA is not trying to claim these figures; it is not the success of the RSA but of Irish road users. The policy members oversee is proven and evidence-based.

Downturns, such as in the 1970s, were the worst time. Undoubtedly, there will be fewer journeys undertaken, fewer people travelling and fewer younger people accessing cars and this must help but the other side is the condition of the national fleet, the roads and the shortcuts people will take. The downturn might reduce exposure but other factors are at play. In some of the worst times in the 1970s nearly double the number of people were killed than are killed today.

Some 21% of the fatal collisions between 6 a.m. and noon are alcohol related. People have got the message about driving at night having consumed alcohol. The person at risk is not the small farmer in rural Ireland who comes home from the pub at 12 midnight, having consumed two, three or four pints, but the guy who is partying until 3 a.m. or 4 a.m., touches the bed for a few hours and then jumps out to commute a long distance. It is important that the media reassures light to moderate drinkers that they have nothing to fear in regard to blood alcohol levels or the levels in the early morning. The person with something to fear is the person who is out until the early hours of the morning. Unfortunately, as the debate has evolved, some vested interests have made an industry out of winding up and agitating those in rural Ireland who have nothing to worry about. Nothing will decimate rural Ireland more than drink drivers and the carnage that can happen in a community. The ordinary people who are moderate drinkers and are in bed by midnight or 1 a.m. have nothing to fear. Those who need to change their behaviour are those in early morning collisions, who have been up half the night, who are fatigued, who are driving too fast because they are late and have alcohol in their system. That is what Deputy Dooley is pointing to with his question on the times of the day.

I can understand the point with regard to 8 a.m. to 10 a.m. but find it difficult to comprehend the reference to 12 p.m. to 2 p.m.

Mr. Noel Brett

Some researchers believe the afternoon increase is due to our body clock. One starts to get tired and that is why some Mediterranean countries take a siesta.

We want to get more information on the purpose of the journey. We do not know where people involved in collisions are going. As part of our investigations we talk to gardaí to ascertain the purpose of the journey, whether it is for social, domestic, work, commuting or pleasure. That will help us to understand why days like Thursday and other times of the week show different patterns. This is the task for 2009 and 2010 to which I alluded. When I return in the future, I hope I will be much clearer on the questions of who and why.

I congratulate Mr. Brett on the report and the work of his board and all of the State agencies. Like others, I wish to express my concerns about the use of drugs. Given the anecdotes one hears about middle class society using drugs, I have no doubt that drugs are a factor. I will ask Mr. Brett to push as hard as he can for legislation on this issue. Saliva testing equipment exists and it is used by private companies with large fleets including State bodies. It should be implemented forthwith because drug use is a contributory factor. We need statistics as soon as possible as well as a major information and education programme.

With regard to young drivers, statistics are banded from 17 to 25 years of age and it is fairly indicative that a large number of drivers aged between 15 and 19 contribute to serious accidents, many of them fatal. I come from an insurance background and I believe that one should have statistics for each age group which should extend so far as to include age, sex, whether a licence is held, be it full or provisional, and whether a driver is insured.

Returning to the statistic cited of a €1.37 billion economic loss arising from accidents, there is a significant cost to all of our insurance policies through uninsured motorists and the more statistics we have on this the better. In the past six months, we have seen a number of 15 year olds driving bangers who do not have a licence or insurance. We need more statistics categorised by age and use them in our educational programmes in schools. By and large, great work is being done in schools.

Deputy McEntee made the point that some local authorities do not have a safety officer. The system has worked brilliantly in my local authority. It has run competitions where each year various age groups design poster programmes with regard to cycling and other such matters. We should move quickly to get more of the Rosemary Smith type driving schools for children in secondary schools. It would give them greater appreciation of what it is to be behind the wheel of a car, what speed does and how one can lose control.

A live database of written-off cars should be provided by insurance companies which pay claims to the Road Safety Authority and the Garda Síochána and the sooner the better. An effort could then be made to get these cars into scrap yards forthwith. It is good that gardaí are now able to get details of a registration and whether a vehicle is insured and taxed. Clearly, the banger sold in north Tipperary for a couple of hundred euro was written off and I would be fairly certain it had been the subject of an insurance claim.

Prior to calling on Deputy Feighan I congratulate him on his marriage during the Christmas period and he is welcome back.

One cannot be happy all of one's life. I thank the Chairman and I am looking forward to a card with a big wad of money in it as a present from the committee.

I congratulate Mr. Brett on a professional presentation which contains many positives. I concur that many agencies and people are involved and it is time to congratulate them. However, we cannot stand still and a great deal of work must be done. Every death, injury and serious injury brings misery to many doors and we have seen far too much of it.

Many questions have been asked. With regard to the maps showing road fatalities and serious injuries by county in 2007, my area of Roscommon, Leitrim and Longford is rural with major arteries running through it including the N4, N5 and N6 to Galway, Westport and Sligo. I am convinced that not having dual carriageways or motorways to the north west is a major contributor to road deaths. Work is being done in this regard on the N6. Does Mr. Brett think if we had motorways on the N4, N5 and N6 it would help to alleviate the number of serious injuries and deaths?

I wish to ask a few questions and, like other members, to congratulate the Road Safety Authority and Mr. Brett.

A significant number of people who have received penalty points are statistically recorded as having no driving licence. A significant number of these people do not have insurance either and neither do people convicted of or charged with dangerous driving, careless driving and using a mobile phone while driving. I have mentioned to the Garda Síochána that a great deal of work must be done to identify these people and deal with the issues raised. They seem to commit a significant number of serious penalty point offences. What strategy, if any, does or will the Road Safety Authority have to deal with this issue?

With regard to the other facts we have been given about accidents, particularly where fatalities or serious injuries occur, a necklace of Border counties seem to be significantly out of kilter with the rest of the country. Do drivers without licences from the North come down South and cause accidents? Is this a real factor? Do people living on the Southern side not have particular regard for the law? This is a serious issue which is not addressed properly if these facts are true. I do not state this by way of criticism but by way of fact. Will Mr. Brett comment on this?

With regard to the spike in the number of young people between the ages of 16 and 25 who die, from speaking to young drivers they believe they are invincible and that it cannot happen to them. Is there a case to be made for using people whom they value and respect, such as footballers, sports stars or pop musicians, in a public education campaign to catch their attention? It has been stated that notwithstanding the extremely effective and moving advertisements which the RSA has, we need to get at these young people more effectively than we are doing. Perhaps the RSA could be advised by psychologists on a method of communication. Young people do not appear to get our messages in the way we intend. We need a deeper analysis of how we communicate to ensure they drive better.

Mr. Noel Brett

I agree with Deputy Kennedy's points on the use of drugs. Young drivers impose a cost on the Exchequer and the insurance sector is needed now more than ever. Anybody can now get a driving test but no insurance company should automatically reinsure someone unless it has proof he or she has at least sat a test. No company should insure any driver unless it has proof the car has a NCT certificate. Some 30 years ago PMPA technical people would check a car but that does not happen now. We need the help of insurance companies to back up the legislation the Oireachtas has passed. We need to use all available tools and insurance companies could do a lot more to get some of the people to whom the Deputy referred out of the system.

Deputy Dooley talked about the economic impact and I have no doubt that more people will fail to insure their cars this year. As Deputy O'Dowd said, we should use all available tools to ensure people are insured and drive to the necessary standard.

The road safety strategy promises to work with the insurance sector, SIMI, the Garda Síochána and the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government to ensure all vehicles which have been written off and cannot be safely repaired are permanently removed from the vehicle fleet. Every vehicle should be sent to an approved end-of-life recycler and should receive a death certificate. Nobody should be able to reregister the vehicle but, at the moment, every motor magazine advertises damaged cars from other jurisdictions. Other countries have end-of-life processes and action is being taken by the Departments of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government and Transport to bring them into being so that, as Deputy Kennedy suggests, a vehicle that is no longer safe is properly disposed of, rather than being sold for €50 or €100 to a vulnerable young person.

Our current policy is not to teach practical driving in schools and we only advocate teaching by people who hold a legitimate permit. Our policy is to provide cumulative road safety education up to and including the driver theory test. Students take a theory test as part of the transition programme and learn the mechanics of driving at NCT centres. We prefer not to teach driving in school because it is a practical task. If we tell people they have a certain competence but they do not practice for some time they may believe they are much better than they are when they get back into a car. Our policy is to allow them to take the theory test at school but they should then engage with an approved driving instructor who teaches a set syllabus. They will be accompanied by an experienced driver and keep a learning log. There is evidence to show that if one teaches people practical tasks and they cannot practise them, for example if they are aged 16, they are tempted to drive anyway and when they are finally old enough to drive legally they have a belief in their competence which is higher than is justified. However, I am open to keeping the policy under review.

Deputy Feighan asked about road types, which is dealt with on page 20 of the report. Motorways and high-quality dual carriageways are the safest roads because there are no junctions, oncoming traffic is segregated and vulnerable road users are removed. Table 19 shows that the percentage of roads in that category is very low in comparison with other jurisdictions. Much work has been done to improve road infrastructure and that must make a contribution to reducing deaths and injuries.

The higher the road quality the better. I live in the county next to Deputy Feighan's.

Mr. Noel Brett

Yes — I use the same roads as the Deputy. The more one removes vulnerable road users and the fewer turns there are, the more people can focus on driving. Safe rest areas on quality roads also ensure a better outcome.

Can I ask a related question? With the downturn, certain areas are not earmarked for dual carriageways and motorways. However, the road at Rooskey, while it is not a dual carriageway but made up of two lanes, is very successful. What is Mr. Brett's opinion of overtaking lanes or of roads with two lanes in one direction and on in another? We have been reluctant to introduce such roads but, given the way things are, we may have to look at such possibilities.

It is impossible to overtake on the Charlestown bypass and I cannot understand why. It is dangerous because people cannot use the hard shoulder. What are Mr. Brett's views on that?

Mr. Noel Brett

I refer to my earlier comments to the effect that I was not an engineer. However, I have spoken to people on these issues. The National Roads Authority has piloted three two-plus-one roads, where there is an overtaking lane every two kilometres, and there are many collisions because drivers still do not behave properly. Mr. Fred Barry of the NRA will be able to answer the question more satisfactorily but I understand the marginal cost of providing the second lane, given the fact that the NRA owns the land on either side, is not significant. Its policy is to construct two-plus-two roads where it can.

Deputy O'Dowd asked about drivers who could not be assigned penalty points. There are 184,000 drivers in that category and they are not all non-Irish drivers. Many are drivers whose licence was not captured at court or who gave a variation in name. It is a very significant problem, concerning which I recently met with the Courts Service, the Garda Síochána and the Department of Transport. It needs an urgent remedy because it creates a disincentive for those who comply. The Deputy is correct to suggest that people who offend in this area also have a propensity to commit other offences.

We talk with colleagues in Northern Ireland and they have similar problems with the Border counties. Some of the problems are caused by difficulties with enforcement and others arise because of culture and history. In other cases, it is difficult to know what jurisdiction one is in and whether the signs are in miles or kilometres. Some problems are caused by drivers crossing into the North from this jurisdiction, and vice versa, feeling they can drive with impunity. Research carried out in Border counties in June 2006 shows that the most common contributory factor to fatal collisions in Border counties was alcohol, accounting for 37.4% of the total. Of all the drivers involved in fatal single vehicle collisions in Border counties, 57.3% were known to have consumed alcohol.

Mutual recognition of disqualifications must be brought forward and I understand the North-South Ministerial Council is dealing with that. Mutual recognition of penalty points will not happen on this island but it must happen at European level and an offence committed in one jurisdiction must travel with the offender.

I was asked about the possibility of using high-profile people to get the message across to young people and we are constantly looking at how we can do that. We have placed adverts to coincide with Rally Ireland in the north west next week in which two international rally drivers will appeal to fans and we can do more in that area. We are always looking at new media and have a presence on the Internet. There is a huge amount of comment and debate about graduated licensing and other things on websites such as boards.ie, politics.ie, and octane.ie, which is a young person’s motoring website. Young people demonstrate a lot of common sense and we have to find a way to harness it. We are present in nightclubs and place what is known as “convenience” advertising, in toilets, washrooms and on vending machines. We are very open to suggestions as to how we can get the message across to the audience.

The Crashed Lives campaign and others have been effective in influencing young people, who see them on the television and the Internet and then discuss them, but we must improve the way we exploit the new media, such as blogs and websites. We are finalising road safety protocols with the main sporting organisations, the IRFU, the GAA and the FAI. Undoubtedly, young people do not wish to listen to Gay Byrne and me, and we do not preach to them — we use all the media that we can. We use sports stars and musicians and at many rock concerts last summer our message appeared on side screens. Several of the main acts read scripted messages so we are very open to this approach.

I welcome what Mr. Brett said but I am concerned about the group of 184,000 people that he identified. The problem is District Courts around the country are clogged with people who do not pay penalty point fees on time and end up in court. Over 100,000 such cases went through the courts last year and the vast majority end up without penalty points. This is a very serious issue because it means people who ignore the law and penalty points get away with it.

I am not being personally critical but I feel not enough is being done about this cohort of people. If the defining question is whether or not they have driving licences then we must conduct more checks in this regard. These people are the very ones who will drive without insurance or while using a mobile phone, and they are getting away with such behaviour. This is not good enough.

Mr. Noel Brett

I will go back and talk again to the other agencies because I hear the message loud and clear. The introduction of the plastic card licence, with a photograph and chip, is on the horizon and will be of great assistance. It will help to remove licence fraud and will aid enforcement. I get the message loud and clear and will deal with it.

Could Mr. Brett conduct an analysis of the number of fatally injured people who did not hold a driving licence? If that information is not collected, would it be possible to begin to do so? It seems that many fatally injured people will be in that cohort because they may drive without due care and attention, having consumed alcohol and so on. I think there is a sub-plot that we must investigate.

Mr. Noel Brett

Absolutely.

I thank Mr. Brett and echo my colleagues in saying that he is a very impressive public servant. He mentioned that 25 people were killed last January. There are eight days to go in this month and the figure stands at 14 — let us hope that it stays at that level.

The joint committee adjourned at 1.25 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 4 February 2009.
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