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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 2 Jun 1926

Vol. 7 No. 4

LOCAL ELECTIONS (DISSOLVED AUTHORITIES) BILL, 1926—SECOND STAGE.

Question proposed—"That this Bill be now read a second time."

I think some protest should be made against the manner in which the disfranchisement of the citizens of Dublin is being continued. This question was very fully thrashed out on the discussions on the Local Government Act and it was clearly laid down in the Act of Parliament what procedure was to be adopted. It was provided that three years after a certain date the elections should be held and that the citizens of Dublin should get an opportunity of electing people to carry on the various duties of the city. Now the Minister for Local Government comes along and introduces a Bill on one sheet of paper which makes matters worse with regard to local government than the Act of 1925. Under the provisions of this Bill the Minister may withhold election from the citizens of Dublin until the year 1929.

I think the Dublin Corporation was dissolved in 1923, and I suggest the time has arrived now when the citizens ought to be given an opportunity of registering their opinion as to the manner in which the civic affairs of the city ought to be carried on. As a born citizen of Dublin I must protest against the action of the Local Government Department in coming along on every occasion and withholding the rights of the citizens to decide on the machinery for carrying out their civic affairs. I said here, on many occasions, when this question was under consideration, that I had certain views in regard to the manner in which the business of the city ought to be conducted. That is not the question at issue in this case. The question at issue in this case is whether or not the citizens are entitled to express an opinion as to how the business of the city is to be carried on. This is a reproach against the citizens of Dublin. I do think, with all due respect, that the manner in which the business was carried on, although I agree they were slipshod methods, compared more than favourably with a lot of other places which have a very good name.

Certain places were held up to us as models of efficiency and good government, but I defy any member of this Assembly, or any member outside it, to prove that in the management of the civic affairs of Dublin good and efficient service was not given by the men and women who were the elected representatives. I go so far as to say that as good and as efficient service was given by many of these voluntarily in the management of the civic affairs of Dublin as could be given by any others no matter what salary was paid. I must protest against the outrage of depriving the citizens of Dublin of the right to decide who shall carry on the affairs of the city. I am speaking on the broad principle. The system of management of local affairs is a question that can be considered. I do not say that a new system should not be devised. I think it could be devised, and I am prepared to admit that a change in the system is necessary, but the citizens are entitled to be consulted. It is not fair to withdraw from them for six years the rights they have had with regard to the conduct of the business of the city without consulting them.

I have the advantage, with Senator Farren, of living in a city administered by a Commissioner. We all remember very well that when the Corporation was suppressed there was a pretty well-sustained effort to create an agitation against the suppression, but we all know how hopelessly it failed. The condition of affairs in Cork was such that no attempt was made, because the Corporation there were aware that they were so well known it would be absolutely hopeless to arouse under any circumstances any enthusiasm except for their suppression. So whatever be the doctrinaire views as to the abstract rights of citizens whose affairs have been maladministered by the so-called representatives of the city, we know, both in Cork and in Dublin, that there is not a tittle of objection to the more efficient administration by those Commissioners. Senator Farren said one thing with which I am in agreement. He said he agrees that a change of system is necessary for the administration of areas as against that which obtained up to the present. Both in Cork and in Dublin the services are better, and the rates are now lower. If I were giving advice to the Minister in regard to this Bill it would be that the figures 1929 in the Bill should be changed to 2129.

That could also apply to the elected representatives in the Dáil. You cannot have it both ways.

The elected representatives of the people can talk to the Minister in the Dáil and here, as Senator Farren has done, if and when the occasion arises, and when a case for attack is made. There is no enthusiasm for the old, inefficient, and, I regret to have to say it, rather corrupt corporators that were suppressed. While I say that, I agree with Senator Farren that there were some good and efficient men on those bodies, but unfortunately they were not able to make their influence sufficiently felt in the administration of the city.

Senator Farren happened to be a member of the Dublin Corporation during my time. We were both elected at the same time. I disagreed very frequently in those days with Senator Farren, and I disagree with his views now. I think it would be nothing short of a calamity to go back to the old order of things. As one with some experience of Corporation affairs, I welcome very heartily this Bill.

The Minister for Local Government has asked me to take charge of this Bill, as his Estimates are under consideration in the Dáil. The case made for this Bill in the Dáil was that a Commission is at present sitting considering the question of Greater Dublin, and, I think, to some extent the management of the city will be under consideration when the report of that Commission comes in. In the case of the Boards of Guardians, a Poor Law Commission is at present sitting. The report of neither of these Commissions is in the hands of the Minister, nor in course of preparation. Now, in the case of the Guardians, one of the three bodies mentioned in the Schedule to the Bill, the time for the election to the Board would be in October or November. In the case of the two corporations it will be some time next year. The Minister estimated that the cost of the elections would be about £9,000. If these elections took place and at the same time the Minister got the reports of the two Commissions, I think it would constitute an abuse of the public exchequer to spend £9,000 on elections when he would be in the position almost at once of altering the system. I think everybody admits that the system requires some improvement. I do not think there is a case for putting the citizens of Dublin and Cork to the expense of two elections for bodies that probably would be in control of the administration of those places for only twelve months.

I wonder would the President throw a little light on the reasons which were in the mind of the Minister when preparing this Bill in limiting the number of bodies to the three which appear in the schedule. Many of us who live in the country were astonished to see that a great many public bodies that had been got rid of—and got rid of with the wholehearted approval of the ratepayers of the district, and who were far worse sinners in the matter of spending public money than either of the Corporations in Dublin or Cork—are to re-establish themselves and to be reconstituted and given a further lease of power to do further damage. We would very much like to see the number of public bodies who are not allowed to hold elections increased instead of limited to the three bodies mentioned in this schedule.

Question—"That the Bill be read a second time"—put and agreed to.
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