I have not heard anyone say that the trustees who were appointed in 1919 to take care of this £40,000 to put up a war memorial should have a voice in the disposal of the money. The House, I think, will agree that that point has not been stressed. There is no wish to do anything wrong to the ex-Service men. I suppose there is not a member in this House who has not subscribed considerably to funds for the upkeep of ex-Service men. When we come to deal with the question of a war memorial and with the money subscribed by the people who wanted to see some national memorial put up to their dead relatives, we have to look at the matter from a different point of view. Having heard so much, I think the House ought to have an authoritative history of what happened in regard to the war memorial. Though I have to take up the time of the House, I think it is better that it should know the history of this fund, how it was inaugurated, how it was managed, and the proposals in regard to it.
In July, 1919, Lord French summoned a meeting at the Viceregal Lodge, which was attended by some of the most important people in Ireland. A resolution was proposed by Sir Plunket Barton, seconded by the Right Hon. Lawrence Waldron. It was:—
"That we hereby approve of the proposal to erect in Dublin a permanent memorial to the Irish officers and men of His Majesty's Forces who fell in the Great War, and that a site be acquired for this purpose to erect a Great War Memorial Home, equipped to provide board and lodging and recreation for men who fought in the war and those serving in the Imperial Forces of the Crown."
It was further decided that parchment rolls should be prepared, on which should be recorded the names of Irish officers and men of all services who had fallen in the war. An executive committee was appointed to carry out the project and to collect money for that purpose. They sent out certain circulars, and then a discussion arose as to the possibility of erecting a soldiers' home, and the soldiers present will remember probably that the decision which the military authorities came to was that we could not put up a thing of that kind, because they did not approve of men in the service being in a club with ex-soldiers who were not under discipline or control. For that and other reasons, events which as we all know happened soon afterwards, we were obliged to write off as quite impossible the carrying out of the scheme in regard to the soldiers' home. Then a leaflet was issued to intending subscribers, giving the objects for which the subscriptions were asked. Its objects were:—
"The memorial is to stand in the capital of Ireland, and is destined to keep alive in the hearts of the Irish people for ever the glorious memory of their heroic dead, who in the world's greatest struggle for freedom died for the honour of Ireland. The memorial will be representative of every class and creed. It will include not only the names of the dead who served in Irish regiments, but of all Irishmen who have fallen, no matter to what regiments they belonged. It is proposed to erect a building to include a record room, which shall contain the names of all Irish officers and men of the army, navy and air force who fought and fell for their country. To make the memorial worthy of its lofty object, and a really national one, it is essential that contributions be received from all parts of Ireland."
We received contributions from all parts of Ireland. We will deal with the money part of it later. At that time, as everybody here knows, affairs in Ireland became very unsettled, and it was quite impossible to go on with the scheme. In the meanwhile, some 16 or 17 different proposals were from time to time put forward. I will mention some of them:—
A monument or cenotaph be erected in some conspicuous place in Dublin; such monument or edifice (which might take the form of an arch, gate or fountain) erected in Merrion Square or Rutland Square, the square being acquired and opened to the public as a memorial; a memorial hall or building which would contain records of fallen soldiers, with or without suitable decorations, trophies or paintings by Irish artists. Amongst the proposals were:—Buildings for ex-Servicemen on the lines of Iveagh House; a park, say, at Leopardstown, for model villages and workshops for disabled ex-Servicemen; erection of halls or clubs at Killester, Cork, and Belfast; establishment in Dublin of a junior officers' club; schemes for memorial charitable funds for the benefit of ex-soldiers, etc.
Everything that could possibly be thought of was suggested. There was one part of it with which Senator Sir William Hickie was connected. It was proposed to contribute towards the erection of stone crosses to replace the wooden crosses in the battle fields of France, Flanders and Gallipoli in memory of the Irish Divisions. Then came the troubled years 1920-21-22, in which it was impossible to go on. We then proceeded to collect the records of the men who had fallen. We took some years to do that, and it was a very expensive proceeding, but eventually we got the names of practically all the Irish officers and men in any service who had fallen in the war. We had those records put into shape, and had a few copies of them beautifully bound. One was presented to his Majesty the King, and I believe it is in the British Museum, and I think another copy was presented to His Holiness the Pope; and one to Saint Patrick's. They have been distributed in places where they are available to everybody. Copies were sent to clubs and other places where relatives of the soldiers can see them easily. That cost about £5,000, and meant years of work. When the times began to settle down, in November, 1923, a meeting of the General Committee was held to consider what form the memorial should take. After long discussion the following resolution was passed:—
"That the consideration of the application of the capital of the funds be postponed for the present, and that the Executive Committee be authorised to take such steps as are in their discretion necessary to ascertain and give effect to the wishes of the subscribers, and to enable the Committee in the meantime to apply the income to the purpose for which the funds were collected or to purposes similar thereto."
In pursuance of this resolution a sub-committee was appointed consisting of Lady Arnott, Mr. Lewis Beatty, Mr. Serjeant Hanna (as he then was), Captain Harrison, Senator James Moran, and Colonel Steele. They were to consider all the proposals for the application of the funds which had been submitted to the Executive Committee. A letter was received from the Legion of Irish ex-Servicemen forwarding a resolution, and I take it that is the letter to which Senator Sir William Hickie referred. The resolution forwarded to the Executive Committee by the Legion of Irish ex-Servicemen was as follows:—
"That the National Executive Council of the Legion of Irish ex-Servicemen, having heard from their president details of the situation with regard to the National War Memorial Fund, wish to place on record the universal wish of the Council that the memorial should take the form of a statue, obelisk or cenotaph of exceptional beauty and grandeur, sited in some central part of the City of Dublin; that such monument should include adequate recognition of the deeds of the 10th, 16th and 36th Divisions, and of all Irishmen who served in the Royal Navy, the Royal Artillery, Engineers, Air Force, Tanks, Machine Gun Corps, and all Corps and Departments of Armies in the field. They are unanimously in favour of the payment of a portion of the cost of the erection of the battlefield memorials in France, Flanders and Serbia."
After full consideration the Committee recommended that the scheme for the National Memorial should be on the following lines:—
"(1) That a committee of trustees, not exceeding five in number, approved of by the Court be appointed and authorised to acquire, by purchase or otherwise, the interest of Lord Pembroke and the Commissioners of Merrion Square in the private park known as Merrion Square. (2) That the Committee of Trustees be authorised to convert the square when purchased into a public park or garden to be called ‘Memorial Park.' (3) That the Committee of Trustees be authorised to erect in the centre of the park a memorial, monument or cenotaph of an appropriate and beautiful character; to erect at each corner of the park a wrought iron entrance gate of a suitable emblematic character, and to provide for railings or fences if considered necessary. (4) That the Committee of Trustees be authorised to take such steps by legal proceedings or Private Bill as may be necessary to enable this scheme to be carried out. (5) That the park, when completed, be handed over to the State for maintenance in pursuance of the scheme."
With regard to battlefield crosses, the Committee recommended that approval be obtained for the expenditure of a sum of £1,500 for the erection of three battlefield crosses. A meeting of the Executive Committee was held on the 21st March, 1924, when the following resolution, proposed by the ex-Lord Chief Justice for Ireland, and seconded by Senator Moran, was passed:—
"That the Executive Committee approve of the scheme recommended by the sub-committee and direct that it be submitted to a meeting of the General Committee to be held in the Shelbourne Hotel on the 28th March, 1924."
Notices of the meeting were posted to all members of the Committee, and 250 were distributed. A meeting of the General Committee was held in the Shelbourne Hotel on the 28th March, when the following resolution, which was proposed by Dr. Storey and seconded by Major O'Hara, was passed:—"That this meeting approves of the scheme recommended by the Executive Committee." A sub-committee was authorised to take all steps necessary to obtain the approval of the Court and carry the scheme into effect. We then approached the Minister for Finance. He said it was not a State matter, and that we should approach the Commissioners of the city. We did approach them, and they asked us to put in writing our proposals and they would reply to them. We then, in a letter to the Town Clerk, stated our proposals. They were:—
That the Committee acquire the interests of Lord Pembroke and the Commissioners of Merrion Square in the private park known as Merrion Square; that the Square when purchased should be converted by the Committee into a public park to be called Memorial Park; that in the centre of the park a memorial monument or cenotaph of an appropriate and beautiful character be erected; that at each corner of the park a wrought iron entrance gate of a suitable emblematic character be erected, etc.; that the park, when fully completed, be handed over to the Corporation for maintenance in perpetuity as a memorial park. In the event of the Corporation deciding to accept the gift it would be necessary for the Committee to obtain sanction of the High Court to the application of the funds in the hands in the manner proposed. Owing to the constitution of the Merrion Square Commissioners they would have no power to transfer the Square without the passing of an Act of the Oireachtas, the expense of obtaining which the Committee would, subject to the approval of the Court, be prepared to undertake. Some of the inhabitants of the Square desire to have rights reserved to them in respect of the use of lawn tennis courts at present in the Square, and the Committee understand that the Corporation are not empowered to take over property subject to rights of this nature, and it is proposed that sections dealing with the matter might be inserted in the suggested Act.
Sir Frederick Moore went over the Square that year, and he advised us that it could be made into a beautiful park, and he estimated that the cost of upkeep would be about £1,200 per year.
The amount, at that time available, for carrying out the obligation was a sum of £40,000. This is the reply that I received from Mr. Murphy, the Town Clerk of Dublin, on behalf of the Commission:—
"I have to acknowledge your letter of the 4th instant, which I placed before the Commissioners, and to which they have given careful consideration. They have instructed me to inform you that they are prepared to accept as a gift to the city the ground now comprising Merrion Square, subject to the conditions laid down in your letter.
"The Commissioners have had before them a report from the City Engineer as to the state of the railings surrounding the Square, which, in his opinion, require an outlay of about £300 to put them in proper condition. The Commissioners are hopeful that the War Memorial Committee will see their way to undertake this outlay, and so hand over the Square in perfect order. The Commissioners desire me to add on behalf of the citizens their grateful thanks to the War Memorial Committee for this valuable gift."
And then they wrote another letter stating the conditions upon which they would accept the gift. The reason we are asking the House to pass the Second Reading of this Bill is because it is necessary if we are to comply with the wishes of the Commissioners:—
"That the sanction of the High Court shall be obtained by the Committee for the National War Memorial to the application of the fund in their possession in the manner proposed; that as soon as the approval of the High Court is obtained the necessary steps shall be taken ... empowering the Commissioners to secure Merrion Square and to transfer the property; that with reference to the desire expressed by some of the residents of the Square to have certain rights reserved for them in respect of the use of the lawn tennis courts in the Square ... the Corporation are not empowered to take over property subject to rights of that nature. It would be advisable that a section dealing with this matter should be introduced into the Act."
We proceeded to act upon that, and entered into communication with Lord Pembroke's agent. Lord Pembroke could not give more than two acres as a free gift, but he charged the lowest price he possibly could, namely, £800, for the rest of his rights in the Square. So far as Lord Pembroke is concerned, he fell in with all we desired, and gave us the Square for a very small sum of money. Then there was an agreement made between Lord Pembroke and the representatives of the Irish National War Memorial. The names of the people who acted for the Irish National War Memorial may interest the House. I myself was one of the Trustees, then there were Mr. Lewis Beatty, Senator Moran, Mr. Justice Hanna, Lady Arnott, Colonel Steele, V. Brew Mulhallen, Capt. Harrison, and Major-General Sir Wm. Hickie; and the Standing Committee of the Irish National War Memorial. These are the people who carried through the scheme and signed the agreement. We made the necessary legal arrangements to broke, and then we carried out the arrangements with the Commissioners of the Square. I do not think I need trouble the House with all the details of the Commissioners' liabilities.
They had certain debentures running out, which we had to clear off. We had to free the inhabitants of the Square from the Square tax, and as far as money matters were concerned, we entered into amicable arrangements with everybody affected. Then, after everything was in order, for we had taken great care first of all to get the consent of everybody connected with the putting up of the money and the subscribing of the funds of which we were trustees, we went to the Court and got the approval of the High Court. The President of the High Court heard the case; the Attorney-General appeared against us, and everybody who wished to oppose the scheme could have their case put before the Court.
After arguments were heard the President made an order which I am not lawyer enough to interpret for you, but I daresay if there is any further opinion required upon that, Senator Brown will tell us about it. At any rate, it was decided that the debentures, £3,786, were to be discharged and cleared off; the Square tax was to be removed. the employees were to be settled with and all arrangements completed. The Secretary's liabilities to the Commissioners were secured. Then we got Sir Frederick Moore's opinion as to what it would cost to carry out the scheme. Sir Frederick told us that to alter the Square somewhat on the lines of Stephen's Green, but without the water scene, we would have to spend something like £10,000 to make it a really beautiful garden square. We then took the opinion of Mr. Sheridan as to the cost of a memorial, and he said that we could erect a monument for another £10,000.
Merrion Square covers about eleven acres. To put the present railing round that into proper repair with four memorial gates, and to do all that is necessary to make it into a park like Stephen's Green, would cost another £8,000. I will give the figures now as to the amount of money we had and how we administered it. The total sum collected amounted to £41,575. The trustees were Mr. Lewis Beatty and myself, and we handled the money for the last eight years. By investing in short-dated securities and other ways up to the spring of last year, we collected £10,490 by way of interest. That covered the expenses of collection and the cost of printing of the records. Our administrative expenses outside of this during these eight years amounted to £2,548. We had the aid, of course, of several members of our Committee, and Lady Arnott gave us the constant use of her house, and in that way we managed to avoid greater expenditure. In these eight years we spent about £300 a year on the secretariat, including the issue of leaflets.
We had our accounts audited by Messrs. Stokes Bros. and Pim last year. We now have in hands £42,000 in 5 per cent. National War Loan, worth about £44,500, and we have about £2,000 in cash, so that in all we have about £46,500 now. Taking the expenditure set out here as a necessary part of the Merrion Square scheme I think it would be quite possible to have enough money to put up in the Phoenix Park a monument that might rightly and reasonably be comparable to the London Cenotaph in answering all the requirements of the military authorities. I think it well to draw the attention of the House to the fact that our Committee has never thought it right, even if we could not carry out the Home for the reasons I have given, to leave out of view the utility of the appeal made to our subscribers. There is no difference between Senator Moran and myself and Senator Sir William Hickie as to the desirability of a memorial.
We all want a memorial, but we do differ in this that the Committee have thought it right that a lot of the money should not be spent in bricks and mortar on a monument like the Wellington monument, but that on the contrary we should try in spending it to benefit some section of the community. We believe in this Merrion Square scheme we have attained that object. On one side of Merrion Square and indeed all round there is a very poor neighbourhood. Let anyone look at it now with its locked gates and huge palings and let them ask themselves what use is it to the inhabitants except to a few people who go there to play lawn tennis. It is deteriorating year after year and is a credit neither to the square nor tho the city, and I think the expenditure of this money for the purpose of turning it into a beautiful park, opening it up to the public and to the children in the same way as Stephen's Green is available is certainly a very useful object of which I believe the citizens of Dublin as far as we know will highly approve.
That will be accompanied undoubtedly with a beautiful building of a reasonable size in the centre as a war memorial where our records will be kept and where anyone can come and see the name of his dead relative. That can be accomplished and I should be sorry and very sorry indeed that the House should refuse even to give a Joint Committee of both Houses a chance of hearing this whole subject debated before them and hearing what real objections can be put up against such a useful scheme going forward. You have to look at the other side. Supposing the opponents of this scheme succeed, where are we? They cannot get the money. This scheme which has years of working behind it cannot go forward; if a scheme which is going to improve one of Dublin's Squares and make it a beautiful object instead of what it is; if the erection of a beautiful memorial accompanying it is going to be rejected now, what can we expect the Committee to do, except to say: "We have failed; the Seanad will not let us even consider our Private Bill"? We would be compelled then to get at the names of people who sent us money and return their money to them. We would be able, of course, to give them some little interest on their money. I have a record of one gentleman who sent up a sum of £500 because he was anxious that in a great national memorial his son's name should be recorded. After hearing of all this trouble and squabbling he wrote to say that he would much rather get the money back, he would erect his own memorial in his own church to the memory of his son. I think that is a very fair expression of what must be in the minds of a great many of our subscribers and I must say that considering all the circumstances and the case put forward by the objectors and that put forward by the promoters the Seanad will in my opinion be stultifying itself if it refuses a Second Reading to this Bill now.