The first three amendments are amendments which I tabled, together with an amendment lower down, which is consequential— I think it is No. 12. I tabled these to meet the point of view that was expressed by the amendment brought forward by Senator Hooper some three weeks ago. I would like to have an expression of opinion from the House if these four amendments, which in fact, hang together, are to be considered as alternative to, say, the amendment which Senator Sir Edward Bigger has down, and to the amendments running from No. 7 to 15, with the exception of No. 12, also in the name of Senator Sir Edward Bigger. In other words, I would like to know where I am before we begin to discuss this first amendment, and if an amendment either of the type that I have set down in Amendment No. 1—and I think that that even might be amended —or some of the amendments which Senator Dowdall and others have down, is to wipe out the Third Schedule, whether Amendments 7 to 15, with the exception of 12, would disappear. I think that that was the arrangement that was made. Senator Hooper brought forward an amendment, the net effect of which was this, that we were to do away with this nomination of people for inclusion in the schedule, putting on those people an examination before they were allowed to come on the register of dentists. Senator Hooper's amendment set out certain conditions—that they were to be so many years in the practice of dentistry, to be citizens of Soarstát Eireann, and a variety of other things. I went through the amendment when it was brought up in order to get some clarity on the matter, and I asked if it would be agreed that these provisions would be taken to include certain other matters that were brought in. There was no means of deciding it, but I thought I had a certain provisional agreement for an amendment of this sort. I hold that Amendment No. 1 will carry out all that the House seemed to agree to when I was speaking on Senator Hooper's amendment. Certain Senators queried me outside the House with regard to paragraph (b) of sub-section (1) of this proposed Section 28: "That he was on the 31st day of December, 1928, not less than twenty-one years of age." The reason for that amendment is this: Senator Hooper's idea was that a person who had been earning his livelihood by the practice of dentistry for a period not less than ten years before the date of the passing of the Bill should be allowed to go on the register. I took that point, and I put a query to the House.
I asked it to consider the fact that those who passed to the Dentists Register by way of examination could not sit for the final examination until applicants for the final examination were twenty-one years of age, and consequently that they could not practice before twenty-one years of age. I asked the House to agree that for those people coming on without examination a rule not less rigorous than that should be applied. I took it that the House had agreed to that. I may be wrong—it might not be the period that the House would insist on—but that it was the period which the House deemed it to be necessary for a man to be in the practice of dentistry before he went on the register and that that ten years' practice must have taken place after his twenty-first year, and then, if paragraph (b) operates, he must have been twenty-one years of age in 1918, seeing that the Bill is to pass in 1928, and we have to argue back from that. Certain Senators thought that a ten years' period is too much to impose on those practising dentists, although illegally practising, and they say that that period should be reduced to five years, and Senator Dowdall wants the age limit correspondingly reduced. If the period of practice was reduced from ten to five years paragraph (b) must either be changed, having a man 16 years of age in December, 1918, or 21 years of age in December, 1923.
I hold that the rest of the amendment carries out all that the Seanad seemed to me to be agreed on—that the person must be a citizen of Saorstát Eireann, must be of a certain age, must have been a certain number of years in practice, and must not have been guilty in the course of his practice of any crime or conduct which, if he had at that time been a registered dentist would have caused his removal from the register. I make paragraph (b) cover the practice of dentistry, including the work of dental mechanics, and I make a further recommendation that if a person applied for the examination and succeeded in passing it he should be entitled to go on to the register. There is no difficulty about allowing these people on the register, and consequently it will be done if the House agrees. The fourth paragraph limits the examination that shall be held to five months and before the expiration of six months. I think that that is entirely in line with Senator Hooper's amendment. But it has been pointed out to me that we did give certain people the right to more than one examination, and Senator Dowdall has an amendment providing that there shall be two examinations, one at the end of six months and the other at the end of two years. That, I think, is far too long, but I do not think there will be much objection to allowing two examinations, one at the end of five months and before six months have elapsed, and the other at the end of the twelve months' period; but of course with this limitation that practice will be allowed to those who do not go in for the first examination only for the first period, and that those who have not entered for the first examination, or, having entered, fail to pass it, will not be allowed to practise beyond the five months' period unless they succeed in the second examination and are entitled to go on the register. This may have to be modified to meet that point of view, if the House wants to meet the point of view that there should be two examinations, one within six months and the other at the end of the twelve months' period.