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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 12 Jun 1935

Vol. 20 No. 4

Road Transport Bill, 1935.—Report

Leas-Chathaoirleach

Government amendment:—

New section. Before Section 5 to insert a new section as follows:—

5.—(1) Section 63 of the Principal Act is hereby amended in the following respects and shall be construed and have effect accordingly, that is to say:—

(a) by the substitution in clause (1) of paragraph (a) of the said section of the words "and was continuously employed (whether such employment commenced before or after the grant of such licence) whole-time, for a period of five years ending on the day preceding the critical date in the operation of the said vehicles, either by such licensee or by such licensee and his predecessor or predecessors in title to such business" for the words "and was so employed continuously for a period of five years ending on the day preceding the critical date" now contained in the said clause;

(b) by the substitution in paragraph (b) of the said section of the words "(whether such employment commenced before or after the grant of such licence) whole-time, in the operation of the said vehicles, either by such licensee or by such licensee and his predecessor or predecessors in title to such business" for the words "whole-time by such licensee in the operation of the vehicles used for the purposes of the business authorised by such licence to be carried on" now contained in the said paragraph;

(c) by the substitution in paragraph (c) of the said section of the words "either by such licensee or by such licensee and his predecessor or predecessors in title to such business" for the words "by such licensee" now contained in the said paragraph.

(2) This section shall have and be deemed to have had effect as from the passing of the Principal Act.

I understand that there was an arrangement made with Senator Kennedy that the Minister would introduce this section. Senator Kennedy, I am informed, approves of it. Accordingly, I beg to move the amendment.

I second it.

Question put and agreed to.
Question—"That the Bill be received for final consideration"—put and agreed to
Question proposed: "That the Bill do now pass."

I wish to make a statement before this Bill is passed. On the Committee Stage Senator Wilson brought in an amendment which brought in the question of the drawing of beet as it is affected by this Bill. I only supported Senator Wilson's amendment because it affected a small number of people in whom I am interested. I tried to get in an amendment on the Report Stage to take in this small section of people, but I was told that the amendment was not in order because an amendment which was nearly the same had been defeated in Committee. I should like to make a special appeal to the Minister on behalf of a few farmers and growers of beet. I am not interested in any other carriers or hauliers. A number of small growers of beet have appealed to me during the past week. They put up to me—what I knew already—the great hardships under which they will labour unless some special arrangement is made for them under this Bill. During the Committee Stage a number of Senators including, I think, Senator Wilson, said that they were quite satisfied with the arrangement under the Bill, because the farmer or beet grower who had a lorry could draw his neighbour's beet for nothing. Those people are very simple if they think that the farmer or beet grower who owns a lorry is going to draw his neighbour's beet for nothing. I would like to make a special appeal to the Minister to exempt the very few farmers and growers of beet who are not ordinary carriers, and to allow them to charge their neighbours the small amount which they have been in the habit of charging them, a much smaller amount than is charged by the regular carriers. Otherwise, I am quite satisfied from what I know that a number of these small growers would be put out of the business of growing beet altogether.

There is another matter to which the Minister referred on the last day. He said, when replying: "I was very glad to hear certain Senators referring to the fact that the price of beet is not high enough." He went on to say that certain people were carrying on a campaign to force down the price of sugar. I interjected that when the price of sugar was smaller the price of beet was higher. The Minister denied that, and said that my information was wrong. I have here certain figures showing that when the price of beet was 46/- a ton the price of sugar was 25/3 a cwt. The price of sugar remained in or about that figure until September, 1934. When the price of beet went down to 37/6 the price of sugar went up to 28/6. Now, when the price of beet is, as it will prove to be, still lower at the flat rate, the price of sugar has gone up by 5/9 per cwt., or 11/6 a bag. If I were to go back further, to the beginning of the year 1926, I think the price of sugar beet to the three years guarantors was 54/- a ton or 15½ per cent. of sugar which realised a price of over £3 a ton to a very large number of growers—every good grower, in fact, who cultivated his beet properly. The price of sugar at that time was about 4½d. per lb., which, of course, was a very small price then compared to the very high price of beet. Then, of course, there was a different arrangement in regard to the price of beet. Those who guaranteed a three years' supply were paid 54/- a ton. So the Minister, when he said my information was wrong, evidently had not gone into the figures or he was trying to make out that the price of sugar was raised in the last Budget to pay for the price of beet, which is a ridiculous contention. It was raised to bring in revenue, regardless of everything else.

The matter of the transportation of beet was discussed on the earlier stages of this Bill. As I stated then, the situation is being carefully reviewed. If it should happen that the railway companies are unable to cope with all the traffic of that kind, those other licensees will be available to deal with them.

At the same rate?

The rate at which beet is carried by the railway company, whether by road or rail, is not subject to the Department of Industry and Commerce, but to the Railway Tribunal. The rate will have to be fixed on a basis that will cover the cost of transportation but, subject to that, any individual or association that feels that the rate is too high can avail of the machinery of the Railway Tribunal for the purposes of having a rate order made, if necessary, fixing a lower rate.

The matter concerning the price of sugar is somewhat irrelevant to the debate. I want to make it clear, however, that there are only three ways by which the price of sugar can be decresed: one by decreasing the cost of production in the factories, another by reducing the excise duty on sugar, and the third by decreasing the price of beet. So far as the costs of production are concerned they will, of course, come down this year, when all the four factories will be worked to their fullest capacity. Last year because the beet acreage was too low all the beet factories were not fully worked. This year the full acreage will be grown and, consequently, the cost of production per cwt. of sugar will be lower. So far as the revenue is concerned, I merely point to the fact that the total revenue which the State hopes to secure from the taxes on tea and sugar this year will be about £100,000 less than the revenue secured by our predecessors in 1931 from sugar alone. The only other way by which the cost of sugar can be brought down is by reducing the price of beet, and I am glad to know that the campaign against the price of sugar is not being worked for the purpose of forcing down the price of beet.

It could not honestly be so.

Question put and agreed to.
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