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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 13 Nov 1946

Vol. 33 No. 1

Adjournment Debate. - Repair of Dairy Utensils.

I was asked by a person who lives in the town of Clonmel to take up this matter and to see if anything could be done about it. On the face of it, it seems rather a trivial thing, but I suggest that when it is examined it will be found to be rather important. The fact that it is important can be seen by a resolution passed by the Tipperary County Committee of Agriculture at a meeting held about a week ago. The resolution reads:—

"That we ask the Department of Industry and Commerce to provide the necessary materials for the repair of milk cans and other creamery appliances as these materials appear to be in short supply at present, thereby causing inconvenience to milk suppliers."

If one were to read the discussion that took place at that meeting it would convince one that the farmers who are members of the committee considered that this is really a very important, if not a very serious matter. When asked to take up this matter, I called to the offices of the Minister, and I was told that the responsible officer was the officer in charge of the export licence section. I explained as best I could the position and the probable consequences unless something is done. Subsequently I received a letter from the Minister for Industry and Commerce. First, the letter refers to my representations regarding the difficulty experienced by a Clonmel sheet metal worker and then the letter goes on to say:—

"I am to say that representations were made very recently to the British authorities for the release of supplies of material of this nature for use in this country, but the British authorities have intimated that, in view of the acute shortage of tinplate, they are unable to authorise its use for any purpose other than the packing of foodstuffs and that export of the material is allowed only for the packing of foodstuffs intended for export to Great Britain."

The letter concludes by stating that:—

"In the circumstances, the Minister feels that no useful purpose would be served in making representations for the release of the material required by Mr. Whelan."

There is an old saying of which I was reminded by a friend of mine quite recently. It relates to the recipe for making hare soup. The first thing to do is to get the hare. I suggest that the material—condensed milk, I take it —exported to England, and for which apparently there is a market there, cannot be exported unless the milk itself is available. The case then is that for a number of years, owing to the acute shortage of the material required to keep all the vessels which are used to bring milk to the creameries, the position has been bad and it is getting more and more desperate every year and unless something is done about it the milk cannot be delivered to the creameries much longer. If that were to happen, it can be seen at once that the export trade, to which reference is made in this letter, would have to cease. My suggestion is that the High Commissioner in London should be asked to take up that side of the question and put it to the British authorities, that if they want the condensed milk and any other foodstuffs, for the purpose of packing which tin is used, then the comparatively small amount of material required to carry on the industry here should be made available.

Might I call attention to the fact that there is not a quorum present? It is a very poor tribute to Senator O'Reilly that the members of his own Party walked out in a body.

I do not know what the position is now.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

The Senator cannot proceed without a quorum.

Notice taken that 12 Senators were not present, House counted; bell rung and 12 Senators being present,

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Senator O'Reilly may now proceed.

In order to substantiate the statement I have made, I would like to quote the names of the creameries concerned. The managers of these creameries signed a memorial in favour of the proposal to secure the importation of this material. The creameries are as follows: Clonmel and Newcastle, Ballypatrick, Suirvale, Outrath, Coolmoyne, Knockmeal, Springmount, Millvale, Grangemockler, Knockavardagh, Boherlahan, Drangan and Mullinahone. Those are the creameries. We then have a number of institutions, as follows: Rockwell College, Cashel County Hospital, Clonmel District Hospital, Clonmel Fever Hospital and Mental Hospital, Sisters of Mercy, Carrick-on-Suir, Sisters of Mercy, Thurles, Sisters of Charity, Clonmel, Shoe Factory, Clonmel, O'Mara's Mineral Factory, Clonmel, Plunder and Pollak Tannery, Presentation Convent, Clonmel. In addition to this list there are hundreds of individual farmers, shopkeepers and householders. I know a number of these creamery managers and they would not sign a memorial in favour of this matter unless they were satisfied the position was serious.

I ask the Minister to take up this matter on the lines I have mentioned, that is, to ask the High Commissioner in London to see the British authorities in London, the people responsible for the issue of export licences, and to point out the seriousness of a refusal— that it will certainly in the near future handicap creameries, not alone in the particular area I am speaking of but, I should say, in general. Even to-day, when I was travelling from Tipperary, I met one or two farmer friends and they agreed this was a very serious matter, from their own personal experience. I think any farmer present who has experience of this matter realises its importance and that it is a subject that should receive immediate attention. I appeal to the Minister to do something about it. If he does, he will have done something to advance the interests of our agricultural export trade in one of its most important branches.

I have already supplied particulars of the type of material required. I have also got an estimate of the amount of the material and if the Minister wishes I shall give him this estimate. The quantity may appear small, but it will keep things going for the present. Documents have been supplied to the Minister containing the signatures of the managers of the cooperative creameries. Most of us are acquainted with the managers of creameries. We know they hold responsible positions and that they will not, without careful consideration, sign any documents brought along to them. They will generally satisfy themselves that the subject-matter of the document is of importance before they will agree to append their signatures. I would like the Minister to deal with this matter in his usual energetic way. I believe that if the particular aspect I have mentioned is put before the British authorities—that the shortage of this material will interfere with the export of food from this country—it will go a long way. It is really a matter of psychology. If you hit him in the tummy, you hit him in a very serious place indeed.

I had to-day in the Dáil a Parliamentary question on this subject of the scarcity of tinplate for the repair of dairy utensils and I do not think I can do better than read to the Seanad the reply I gave in the Dáil. The reply was as follows:—

"I am aware that tinplate and bottoms for the repair of dairy utensils have not been available for some time, and that the repair of creamery churns has in consequence been seriously affected. I caused representations to be made recently to the British authorities for the release of tinplate for this and other purposes, but was informed that, owing to the severe shortage of this material, the use of tinplate is not allowed in that country for any purpose other than the packing of foodstuffs and that exports are allowed only for the purpose of packing foodstuffs intended for consumption in Great Britain. There is, therefore, no hope that supplies for the repair of dairy utensils can be obtained from that source for the present.

"My information is that tinplate is also particularly scarce in the United States, but recently I had representations made to the United States authorities for permission to obtain supplies from that source and I await the outcome of those representations. Inquiries are also being made as to the possibility of procuring supplies from Continental countries. If supplies are imported for general use here, the requirements of the creamery industry will be borne in mind."

I think it is quite foolish to hope that representation through the High Commissioner or otherwise, or the presentation of memorials signed by creamery managers, will be successful in securing consent from the British authorities for the release of tinplate for export to this country for a purpose for which tinplate is not allowed to be used in Great Britain. I think the prospects of obtaining tinplate at present from other countries are very slight, but the efforts that are being made to that end will be pursued. I might mention that there are at present reasonable supplies of new milk churns available.

May I ask a question out of the depths of my ignorance? I gather that the British Ministry will be willing to supply tinplate for the purpose of packing Clover Meat Products. Now, the tinplate in that case is used once. It is taken over to England, surrounding some tasty stew, or something like that. The housewife consumes it and the tinplate goes upon the corporation dumps. If, on the other hand, it is used for the purpose of repairing dairy utensils, it will be used day in and day out for the purpose of conserving essential foodstuffs which may be turned into cream, condensed milk, cheese, or half a dozen other essential commodities.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Is the Senator putting a question to the Minister? The Senator must not make a speech now.

I am making this statement for the purpose of testing the logicality and bona fides of the British authorities. If they allow tinplate for the purpose of preserving food products, they should be infinitely more inclined to allow it for the purpose of repairing dairy utensils because, instead of being used once and abandoned when it is used to surround a Clover Meat Product——

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

The Senator must not make a speech at this stage. He can put a question in order to get further information from the Minister, but his intervention may not be by way of a speech.

I understand that the position is that the adjournment has been moved and the Minister has replied.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

The Minister has replied.

Perhaps I can meet the Senator's point in this way. There is a scarcity of tinplate not merely in Great Britain but everywhere and, while it might be logical to allow tinplate for dairy utensils if it is allowed for dairy products, the fact is that there is not enough for both purposes.

The Seanad adjourned at 9.30 p.m. until Wednesday, 27th November, at 3 p.m.

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