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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 19 Nov 1947

Vol. 34 No. 12

Finance (No. 2) Bill, 1947 (Certified Money Bill) — Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

Aire Airgeadais (Proinsias Mac Aogáin)

Bille é seo chun éifeacht a thabhairt, in aghaidh na bliana airgeadais ar fad, do na Rúin lenar ghlac an Dáil tar éis na Cáinfhaisnéise mar ní bhíonn éifeacht Reachtúil ach ar feadh tréimhse teoranta do na Rúin sin. Ghlac an Dáil leis an mBille seachtain ó shoin agus molaim é anois don tSeanad. Bille gearr é agus is beag foráil atá ann ná fuil a brí ar eolas ag Seanadóirí cheana trí léamh na hÓráide cáinfhaisnéise ar a fuil sé bunaithe. Dá bhrí sin ní gá mionléiriú a dhéanamh ar an mBille ná ar na rudaí ba chúis leis mar tá a fhios san acu cheana.

The main purpose of this Bill is to give continuing effect to the Financial Resolutions passed by Dáil Éireann following the Supplementary Budget, as these Resolutions have statutory effect for a limited period only under the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act, 1927. Senators are already aware, I take it, of the main provisions of this Bill, as it is based on the Financial Resolutions, the subject of the Budget, and there is very little in the Bill that goes outside the Resolutions, as Senators will realise as I go through the Bill section by section, which I now propose to do.

Part I—Income-Tax and Surtax— Section 1 provides that income-tax deductions in respect of the period from 6th April, 1948, to the date of the 1948 Budget will be made at the rate of 7/- in the £. The section merely indicates in advance that a rate of 7/- will be imposed by the 1948 Finance Act and does not fix the rate of income-tax for the next financial year.

Section 2 provides for a new scale of rates of surtax for the year 1946-47, that is, in respect of the surtax payable on 1st January, 1948. The present margin of £1,500 has not been changed, but the tax payable on the excess over that amount is increased for each range of income. In the highest rate of income (i.e., over £20,000) the combined rate of income-tax and surtax amounts to 15/- in the £ for the current year and 15/6 in the £ for next year.

Part II.—Customs and Excise— Section 3 doubles the former rates of customs duty on toilet preparations so that duty is now chargeable at whichever of the following rates produces the greater amount of duty:—100 per cent. ad valorem, or 10/- the pound or £5 the gallon, as the case may be. Cosmetics are chargeable under this heading.

Section 4 doubles the customs duty on fur clothing, so that the full rate is now 75 per cent. ad valorem and the preferential rate 50 per cent. Section 5 provides for an increase in the full rates of customs duty on wines to double the former rates. The preferential rates are also doubled. The ratio of the preferential rates to the full rates varies from 50 per cent. to 70 per cent. Section 6 increases the rates of Customs and Excise duties on spirits. The duty on home-made spirits is now £6 17s. 0d. per proof gallon, an increase of £2 2s. 0d. on the duty imposed in 1946. The customs duties are similarly increased.

Section 7 provides for increases in the rates of Customs and Excise duties on tobacco, the basic increase being 6/8 per pound. Section 8 raises the entertainments duty at present in force on cinematographic and other forms of entertainments by approximately 100 per cent. The new scales will not come into force until 16th January next owing to the necessity for printing new stamps and tickets.

Sections 9 and 10 raise the Customs and Excise duties on beer. The increase in home-manufactured beer and the effective increase in ordinary imported beers is £4 19s. 0d. per standard barrel of 36 gallons. A corresponding change is made in the drawback rate.

Section 11 increases the rates of duty on private motor cars and motor cycles. The effect is to raise the duty on an 8 h.p. car from £8 to £12, on a 10 h.p. from £10 to £15 and on a 12 h.p. car from £12 to £20, with corresponding rates for cars of higher horse-power. The existing concession for Irish-assembled cars is being continued. Accordingly, Irish-assembled cars of over 16 h.p. will pay only the new duty appropriate to a 16 h.p. car, namely £28. The duties on motor cycles are being doubled. Commercial goods vehicles, agricultural tractors and public service vehicles of all kinds are exempt. Express provisions are included in the section to exempt small public service vehicles (taxis and hackneys) and certain other types of vehicle (e.g., travelling creameries, mobile cranes) from the increased rates of duty.

Section 12 extends to mechanically-propelled vehicles used solely for transporting equipment of any kind for saving life at sea the exemption from road tax already enjoyed by vehicles used solely for hauling lifeboats and their gear. As a corollary it is provided that a vehicle not used solely for these purposes will not become liable to a higher rate of duty merely by reason of such user. Thus, an agricultural tractor taxed at £6 per annum will not become liable to a tax of £21 per annum merely because it is used at times to haul life-saving equipment of the coast life-saving service.

Part III—Stamp Duties—Section 13 provides for an increase in the stamp duty chargeable on conveyance and transfers of lands, tenements and hereditaments where the consideration exceeds £500. The existing rate of £1 per cent. on such conveyances and transfers is increased gradually from £1 per cent. to £5 per cent. according as the value of the consideration rises from £500 to £950. Where the consideration exceeds £950 a full rate of £5 per cent. will be charged. The present rate of 10/- per cent., where the consideration does not exceed £500, will be maintained.

The section also provides that unless the person on whose behalf the property is purchased is within some one of the six specified categories a higher rate equivalent to £25 per cent. of the purchase price will be chargeable in lieu of the normal stamp duty payable on the transfer or conveyance.

Since the Bill was introduced two amendments have been made in this section. Sub-section (4) has been amended so that the inclusion in the conveyance of the appropriate certificate is in itself sufficient evidence that the lower rate of £5 per cent. was applicable. This amendment was made in order to meet the objection that, as the sub-section was originally drafted, all conveyances would require to be sent to the Revenue Commissioners for adjudication or otherwise a subsequent purchaser would have to inquire into the circumstances in which the lower rate was claimed.

The second amendment is in sub-section (7) (c). Where a conveyance liable to duty at the higher rate of £25 per cent. is not fully stamped within 30 days of execution there is a liability to the State amounting to double the duty chargeable. In sub-section (7) (c) as introduced the Revenue Commissioners had power within three months of first execution of the conveyance to mitigate or remit this liability. This time limit of three months has now been withdrawn giving the Revenue Commissioners the same powers in relation to this liability as they already possess in relation to existing penalties under the Stamp Acts.

Part IV—General—Section 14 provides that the increase in the moneys accruing in the current financial year from motor vehicle duties as a result of the increase in rate (and estimated at £200,000) shall be diverted from the Road Fund to the Exchequer. Section 15 is the usual care and management section and Section 16 the usual section relating to the short title and construction of the Bill.

I had hoped that the Minister would have availed himself of this opportunity to give us something more than a brief survey of the implications of the proposals in his Budget. I think the House is entitled to have something more from him by way of justification for its introduction than it has received. The Budget is something which the State must have produced for its consideration if its affairs are to be kept running smoothly. Sometimes people look forward to the introduction of the Budget with fear and trembling and frequently they breathe a sigh of relief when the document has seen the light. But I think that there were no sighs of relief on this occasion. From the contact I have had with people throughout the country I believe that no more unpopular document was ever introduced in the Oireachtas than this Supplementary Budget. Ostensibly the reason for it was the desire of the Government to reduce the cost of living. That is the cause given publicly to both Houses and to the country but I wonder if the Minister will seriously contend to-day that this additional £5,000,000 will reduce the cost of living in any home in the country. We are used to hearing the saying "robbing Peter to pay Paul", but this Budget is truly accepted as robbing Peter to pay Peter. I feel myself that there has been no justification for this Budget on the pretext of reducing the cost of living. It is not going to do it and nobody believes it will do it. I can say that there were and are other reasons influencing the decision of the Government. I would prefer that the Minister and the Government would be frank in this matter and say boldly why they have been compelled to take this step. Some of the things taxed in this Budget are now regarded as the essentials of every-day existence for the people of this country. Tobacco, the bottle of stout and the pictures are all taxed. We are being forced into conditions of austerity and asceticism due to reasons of which the Minister has not spoken but which I think should be revealed to the country. Let the country know where it stands and why it is standing where it is. It is true that the Minister for Industry and Commerce, in some of the debates, gave expression to the point of view that we have reached a position when it is undesirable that we should continue to spend money on the importation of foreign pictures and spend so much on purchasing foreign tobacco. There are many people, many members of the Oireachtas who for a long period have seen this stage being reached. Many times in this House and in the other House the position of our falling production was stressed, and it was pointed out that we would face adversity as a consequence. It was urged, time and time again, that action should be taken to guard against this day when it should come. Now it has come and the Minister and his colleagues are not prepared to face the fact and to do something to rally the country because it is quite clear that we are now facing a position where our foreign purchases will have to be cut to the bone. The first indication we had of this was in the Budget. No doubt it came upon the House and the country quite unexpectedly. Whether the Minister and his colleagues anticipated it we do not know but it is rather interesting to follow the sequence of events that preceded it. It was introduced following some of the discussions that had taken place in London between the representatives of this country and the British Ministries. Was it only then revealed to the Minister that we were coming to the end of our tether? What preparations were being made to meet this situation? This piecemeal method of enforcing austerity upon us, in the blind belief that we will not appreciate the fact that we have to put up with it, is all wrong. The British fought a bloody war in which they wasted all their foreign resources and much of their internal resources and they have to accept conditions which are very unpalatable. We did not fight such a bloody war—we kept out of it. Apparently we, too, must pay the penalty of that war which was fought, but, if that be so, let us measure what the future holds for us. Let us be told about it, and let us be called upon to face it courageously and let the Government not try to put their fingers in the eyes not only of the members of the Oireachtas but of the country as a whole.

It is difficult to deal with all the implications of this Budget and I have no desire to attempt to go over the whole field, but we have some figures, given to us recently, which show the perils we have to face. The Minister for Industry and Commerce, speaking in Cork, told us that our total imports amounted to £90,000,000 and our total physical exports to £30,000,000. There was a gap of £60,000,000 to be bridged, and he asked how we were to do it. Elsewhere he has given an estimate of our exports for the present year which indicates that he anticipates a further drop of £8,000,000 in the value of our exports. I do not know what the Government hope we are to purchase from the hard currency area; I do not know what they hope to be able to pay for in that area; but, taking these figures as they have been given to us, we are expecting to bridge the gap of £60,000,000 by very peculiar processes: (1) by emigrants' remittances; (2) by the earnings on our foreign investments, and (3) by drawing on capital. Curiously enough, when the Minister came to that point, he was warning us of the dangers of drawing on capital.

It is of interest to know that we can draw on capital, and, if we can translate it into anything of value to the nation in its difficulties, it will be welcome news; but is it not an extraordinary position we find ourselves in that we are dependent for our living on the earnings of the people whom we have sent to England or who have had to leave this country to find work in England? Surely this low figure of £30,000,000 for exports must be to some extent influenced by the fact that hundreds of thousands of our people have left the country and have gone to England. The Minister may deny that that is the result of Government policy, but that is what has been going on and I have no doubt whatever that the capacity of this country to produce has been gravely influenced by the dimensions of that flow of our young people out of the country.

I want to know what policy the Government intend to pursue in future in order to bring the country up to the position in which the amount of physical goods it will be able to export will go some distance towards paying for our physical imports. How is that to be achieved? There is no light in any statement of Government policy that I can lay my hands on which will brighten our way towards that goal. I see other figures of purchases in the hard currency area for 1946, and we have also from the Minister for Industry and Commerce the statement that for 1947 up to date our total purchases amount to £65,538,000, and of that we have spent £26,379,000 in the hard currency area. How long can we go on doing that? What plans have we for developing or improving our capacity to pay for these goods which we are buying in that area?

Let me look at another aspect of Government policy as I see it. People have to work to live and we have to sell in order to be able to buy. In the last analysis, we shall have to fall back here on our agricultural production and exports. What has the Government done, right along all through its period of office, to encourage exports? I do not want to go back over the bad period, but the Minister can, like his Leader, look into his own heart and find the answer there. The fruits we are gathering now are the result of the neglect of the past. Let us look to the future and let us see what are the possibilities of an increase in agricultural production which will go any distance towards paying for our foreign imports.

Again, I suggest that the Government have a very peculiar way of implementing this policy of austerity. Our Ministers recently had discussions with British Ministers and we had in the Dáil last week an indication of the results. One examines these to see whether or not there is anything which will encourage us to believe that we can hope for greater agricultural production and export. I cannot see much hope, but I do see that, so far as I have been able to examine these proposals side by side with other things which have been happening at home, it is quite clear that our Government are implementing a policy of rationing of meat for the people of this country in order to be able to export more to Britain. Similarly, I suggest that the proposal contained in this Budget for an increase in the tax on beer has exactly the same policy and purpose behind it. If that be the fact, why not say so? It is very desirable, and in fact essential, that there shall be greater exports in respect of the products of our distilleries and breweries to the hard currency area, but why not say so? Why not tell the people that, in order to be able to buy more from abroad, they will have to buy less of these at home?

Let us consider the policy with regard to beef and the export of cattle. We have had indications of the price that has been agreed upon with the British. Apparently we have agreed to sell at a given price. One way to narrow the gap between the cost of imports and the value of our exports is to push up the price at which we sell our exports. When we apply that test to the most important commodity we have to export the impression is obtained that in that respect our Government have definitely fallen down. One way to narrow this gap is to push up the price of beef being sold abroad. In the recent discussions we have definitely pushed up the price from a very bad price paid to us all during the war, with the consent of the Government, but we have not pushed it up as far as we might or ought to push it. We have something that can be sold in any country in the world. It is the scarcest food. Why should the people representing this country agree to sell a fat beast to Britain at £4 or £5 less than the price paid for a beast of equal quality and weight out of the Six Counties? I do not understand why such a decision should be taken. The Argentinian Government does not do that. The American farmer does not do it. It is true that the Government are paying for foreign wheat more than they are paying their own farmers. It is a very strange position for the Irish farmer that he will get less for his wheat from the home Government than that Government will pay the farmers or the Government of any other country and that, when he sells his cattle, his Government will accept a price from a foreign Government lower than that Government will pay their own farmers or foreign farmers. It seems to me that we have fallen down on that. The Government had the chance of a lifetime and it is beyond me to understand why they did not avail of it.

I see that in these discussions the Government have agreed to discuss with the British the numbers of fat cattle that may be sent to the Continent. The Government, who talked so much about foreign markets, are now going to sit down with the British to limit the quantity of food they will send to foreign markets. I am all for selling all I can and sending all I can to Britain at any time, but I want some security about it, and I do not understand why the Government should limit sales to the Continent when they have no security as to how long this arrangement with Britain will last. Britain can break it in six months. Britain, apparently, is not prepared to make an arrangement with us that will last into the years when beef becomes more plentiful. She will pay us less than we can get elsewhere at the present time and, in three years' time, when it is available elsewhere, she will buy somewhere else.

I do not think there is much in that, but let us consider another aspect. I have had discussions with butchers in Cavan and I am told that from now on they will not be able to pay more than 77/-, 76/- or 78/- per cwt. for cattle. Some have told me that they have cattle bought and that when they are sold out they will not be able to compete with Britain in the market. They can buy cattle of inferior quality, but will not be able to purchase the first-grade beef that they have been accustomed to sell to the consumer. I do not know if that is a fact, but if it is, it is quite clear that in that decision of the Minister for Industry and Commerce he is imposing a policy of rationing on our people and putting the home butcher in a position that he cannot compete with the foreigner and will have to buy inferior stuff, and, probably, will have to buy less of it. As a result, more will go to the foreigner and the people at home will be less well-fed.

If that has to be done, let us say it frankly and let us face it, but let us not do it in this particular peculiar way. If you want to send more to Britain, be courageous about it and say you are doing it and let the British know that you are imposing difficulties, hardships, and austerities on your own people in order that they may be better fed. Let us at least get some credit for sending them more to eat.

There are other problems that concern us arising out of these discussions. I notice that the Government have made undertakings with regard to the export of seed potatoes. The Minister will recall that months ago, on another debate here, I pointed to what I regarded as the serious situation which would confront us when the potato crop of this year was gathered. I have no reason to change my view. Personal experience and information that I have obtained have confirmed me in that view. I think we are humbugging the British when we tell them we will export seed potatoes to them this year at all or, if we do export them, we will leave ourselves short. That is something on which I would like the opinion of other members of the House who come from country districts. How is our production of potatoes to be increased next year as it ought to be unless we ensure supplies of seed for our farmers this year? The prices as fixed here, if the price be the determinant, mean that there will not be any seed potatoes exported to Britain because the prices listed are not equal to the prices that people are paying at present throughout the country for potatoes. In the markets in Cavan the price paid in any week is higher than the price fixed with the British. I do suggest that some effort should be made to get some estimate of home requirements and stocks available for export before one cwt. leaves the country. The whole position in regard to our foodstuffs requires further elucidation and much more information than has been vouchsafed so far.

In the 1946 expenditure in the dollar area, you have £3,625,000 in the Argentine. I would like to hear from the Minister what contribution that is going to make towards our export policy. The production of more pigs and poultry is essential to the balancing of our Budget, both at home and abroad. Some months ago, we had a statement from some member of Grain Importers, Limited, or Irish Shipping, Limited, whom we sent to the Argentine, that hundreds of thousands of tons of maize were purchased in that country. We have not seen very much maize since, but it is a matter of considerable concern to the farmer producers, and especially small farmers, and it is something on which we should have full information. What has been spent on the purchase of maize or wheat, or where is it held? Is it in the Argentine or in this country? What are the stocks we can draw on for the future? This can considerably influence pig and poultry production. You cannot produce pigs out of a hat, and men will not produce pigs unless they feel there is a possibility of the pigs being fed when produced. We have not been given information on this point, though it is a very important one.

The price at which we sell is a determining factor in our capacity to purchase. I see that the price at which it is proposed to sell flax as agreed in these discussions, is fixed for the 1948 crop at a considerably higher figure than for 1947. May I ask if no effort was made to get that price for the 1947 crop, two-thirds of which is still in the hands of the producers? If it be value for that in 1948, why is it not possible to secure that price for 1947? These are the problems that confront the producers and the considerations that influence their line of conduct. Farmers are under a great disability when none of us know what type of agriculture we are to pursue in the future.

Figures were made available to the committee which sat in Paris on the Marshall Plan which have never been revealed or discussed in this country at all, as far as I know. These figures indicate a complete change of Government policy in regard to wheat production. I have not got the figures here, but the Minister must have them somewhere. They show a reduction from 600,000 to 250,000 acres of wheat. Is not that a complete reversal of Government policy? If that be the view of the Government, why is it not stated publicly, even though it be a change of policy, even though it be an acceptance on their part now, rather belatedly, that there is a better scheme to pursue and that there are ways by which our land can be utilised more fruitfully and more productively than the method which they regarded as most successful in the past? If that be so, why do they not tell us and let us be prepared? We get this from Paris, in an international document, never revealed to us here at all, never discussed with any group of farmers, not even introduced to the Oireachtas. That sort of thing makes it impossible for intelligent farming to be carried on here, as intelligent organisation of our industry is beyound us when we do not know for what we are to organise. Is it not clear now that there has to be a considerable adjustment from the Government's angle of the things which they have stood for and preached and practised in the past?

I asked the Minister about the possible imports of maize meal. Does he recall the days when he would not let a sack of maize into the country and was a great antagonist of the policy of maize importation? He played more than a man's part in the propagation of the policy and doctrine that played the dickens with pig production. His Leader and himself now subscribe to the thing for which we stood when we argued that, in order to have a balanced economy, these imports were essential. I did not—because there was a new Minister for Agriculture— attempt before to demand from the Government some indication of what reorganisation was to take place in our industry that would make us better prepared to meet these commitments by way of payment for imports in the future than we were in the past. The day is past when we should have had a statement of Government policy on that point.

The Minister, as a member of the Cabinet, ought to know. He had some farming experience and must have views of his own, and he should be in a position to enlighten the House and the country. The position is grave and is made more grave because the facts are not revealed by the Government. It comes in in this oblique way in this Budget, introduced, mar dheadh, to reduce the cost of living, when, in fact, the whole purpose is to increase the conditions of austerity arising out of discussion with Britain which apparently only then revealed our dependence on her economy.

From every angle, the Budget is unpopular. The burdens it imposes on every section are unwelcome and hit the poor people hardest, many of whom go out of their cheerless homes to the warmth of a picture house. It will be much more expensive for them to have that little bit of comfort in future. The man who takes a bottle of stout will be badly hit. The poor fellow out in the hills in my county, perhaps to-day, in his potato furrow, with his spade, trying to get out the last of his potato crop, finds that his pipe is put practically beyond his means. This is all done to reduce the cost of living. It really is robbing Peter to pay Peter— and Peter is not grateful for it.

I am in thorough agreement with Senator Baxter when he refers to this Bill as the most unpopular one that the Government has yet been responsible for introducing. While I do not wish to under-estimate certain concessions given in the reduction of the cost of essential foods, namely tea, sugar and bread, I respectfully suggest that the manner in which these concessions are given entirely defeats their objective. There are other essential articles that every householder must purchase, such as clothing, boots, shoes and meat. These are just as essential as the three subsidised commodities. While the cost of these articles remains as high as it is I cannot see how this Budget makes the lot of the wage-earner easier to bear. It is all very well to subsidise these foodstuffs ostensibly with a view to the lowering of the cost of living but in reality just lowering the cost-of-living index figure which is a different thing. The manner in which money is got to subsidise the reduction is certainly most unpopular with the vast majority of the people. Any imposition that makes the lot of the wage-earner more difficult to bear should be vigorously resisted by Parliament. Any imposition that makes the enjoyment of the very few luxuries that wage-earners have is certainly not popular and not one that any representative of the people would care to justify. The cheapest kind of tobacco costs about 2/- per ounce and the cheapest cigarettes cost 1d. each while a bottle of stout which is just as essential for many workers as food is increased by 1½d.

I believe that if many people were asked they would prefer the stout which they take after a hard day's work or perhaps at meal time, or a smoke, to tea and sugar. I have no doubt that amongst a very large proportion of people who could not by any means be regarded as intemperate their selection would be these few alleged luxuries. Really they are not luxuries. They are essentials. I cannot see why money could not be got to subsidise the reduction in the cost of tea, sugar and flour by means other than imposing extra taxation on the people. As a matter of fact, of the £5,000,000 increase about £3,000,000 will be collected from people who can least afford it. I am not concerned with those who drink whiskey, although I know that from time to time the poorer people need it as a medicine. It is a very expensive medicine at present and it is difficult to get. When there is an epidemic there is a rush on it and not by the better-off class but by the very poor, who take it in moderation and regard it in certain conditions as being the best cure for influenza. These people can no longer look to that cure if they are affected with the influenza. When it was considered necessary to reduce the cost of three articles of food, I think the Minister could have done so by taking into consideration other items of expenditure that were dealt with in the ordinary Budget last May. I respectfully suggest that the defence of the country would be in no way impaired if the cost of the Defence Forces was reduced by at least £2,000,000. Another item that appeared in the Budget last May concerned the reconstruction of Dublin Castle in order to provide accommodation for civil servants working there. That Estimate of £2,000,000 could be deferred. I also submit that the purchase of Constellation aircraft, which were recently procured, might be deferred to a more appropriate time.

When reasons were being advanced for the flight of the young people from the land to the large towns and cities I recollect that one of the outstanding reasons given was the absence of certain amenities in rural districts. A cinema in a rural district is an amenity that is appreciated by the boys and girls after a hard week's work. They do not rush into cinemas every night. On Sunday nights the majority of the patrons of the cinema in the town where I live are the people from the country districts. I am credibly informed that the people directly concerned with the running of that particular cinema will be faced with the possibility of closing it down after January because of increased amusements tax. Taking all these things into consideration, this Bill is a most unpopular one. I have had an opportunity of hearing the views of others without advancing my own and I say that it is one of the most unpopular measures ever introduced by the present Government, and I therefore will have no hesitation in voting against the Second Reading.

Mr. Hawkins

When one attempts to speak on such a very unpopular Budget as this has been described by Opposition speakers, it is difficult to deal with it. Since this Budget was introduced, both in this House and in the Dáil, and through the country, I never remember hearing so many advocates of intoxicating drink and films. We have been told that the flight from the land was due to the attraction of cinemas in the cities, and that it was because of such attractions young people were leaving country districts. We are told that there are cinemas in each town and village, and that on account of recent Budget taxation they are going to close down. Even though we have the films now we are still told that we are going to have the flight from the land. Senator Baxter, as usual, painted a very gloomy picture of the future. He referred to the price paid to our farmers for the growing of wheat and asked why they would not get the price that is paid for imported wheat. I think we all remember the time when Senator Baxter and the members on the Opposition Benches in this House and in the other House told the people that the soil of this country was not fit for the growing of wheat, and that its growing should not be undertaken by our farmers under any consideration. He also drew attention to the fact that from figures made available at an international conference it is proposed that the acreage under wheat grown in this country in the future is to be between 200,000 and 300,000 acres. We remember that in 1931 the total acreage under wheat here was about 20,000 acres, while during the war years that figure went up to 600,000 acres. We hope to be able to maintain our acreage under wheat when normal conditions return to the world. I do not think we should go back on the Fianna Fáil policy of wheat growing. We should still pursue that policy so as to safeguard food supplies for our people in the future.

Senator Ruane said this was a very unpopular Budget, that it conferred no benefits on the people and that the country, as a whole, was opposed to it. Let us examine the position. Is there any member of this House, or of the other House, going to tell me that the father of a family who has to purchase a sack of flour which has been reduced in price from 63/6 to 44/3 does not regard that as a great concession? We must remember, too, that the subsidies paid in order to keep down the price of bread and flour amount to about £6,500,000. Is it no concession to the head of a household to have the price of tea reduced from 4/10 per lb. to 2/8? If we make a comparison between the prices charged here and the prices charged in the Six Counties and in England what do we find? The price of bread here is 4d. compared to 5d. in the Six Counties; tea is 2/8 here as compared to 5/- outside; cigarettes are 2/- for 20 here as compared to 3/4 in the Six Counties or in England; whiskey is 2/4 here as compared to 5/- outside this State, while the important bottle of stout is 8d. here as compared to 1/- outside. These are some facts which are to be got from the Budget. Butter at the present time is 2/8 per lb., but it is being subsidised at a cost of £1,250,000. All that has been done in order to keep the prices of essentials down. I think that the Senators who have spoken already missed that point.

I remember reading last month a publication issued by the main Opposition Party. There was a statement in it to the effect that the Budget was introduced as a slick electioneering trick, but now it turns out to be, according to them, the most unpopular Budget ever introduced. It is hard to reconcile both statements. The purpose of introducing the Budget was to prevent prices and wages chasing one another. The Budget is an attempt to stabilise both. It think it is right that we in this House should give credit to that section of labour organisations which has already put forward its acceptance of this scheme for the stabilisation of both prices and wages. It is because it was in the national interest to bring about that position that the Budget was introduced.

I think I have never heard so many advocates of what one may call intemperance, and, if you like, advocates of the cinema and of the necessity of the pint. There is one suggestion that I would like to make and it is in connection with films. There is a tax of about 3d. per foot on films entering this country. The tax is at a uniform rate. It has been suggested to me that, instead of that being the case, the tax should be related to the value of the film, no matter what type of film it may be or what its earning capacity might be. I make the suggestion that the tax should be related to the value of the particular film rather than that there should be a tax at the uniform rate of so much per foot.

The fact that the Budget is an unpopular Budget is to me its chief merit. I am afraid I will find myself in the rather unusual situation of being quite laudatory to the Minister with regard to the general aspects of this Budget. Before I get on to that there are one or two minor points that I want to deal with. The Budget does increase the tax on motor cars for all users. There is a very worthy class of people up and down the country who must use motor cars for professional reasons. They happen to be the clergy of the Protestant churches, and their flocks are very scattered. They often have to cover from 20 to 30 miles on a Sunday, so that a motor car is an absolute necessity to enable them to do their work. Many of them are in the unfortunate position that they have not had any real increase in income in the last 20 years, and they certainly are going to be rather hard hit by this special increase in what is a necessity of life to them. If the Minister could, in any way, alleviate the position of that very worthy section of the community I, personally, would be very glad.

This Budget is certainly not an inflationary Budget as it certainly would have been if the Minister had set out to finance the reduction of the cost of living with money borrowed either in the capital market or from the banks. He is rightly taking from the taxpayers the exact amount of money he is going to spend in reducing the cost of the necessities of life. Therefore it is not an inflationary Budget. On the other hand, it is not disinflationary as it would have been if the Minister had set out to draw from the taxpayers what he proposes to spend in subsidising the cost of the necessities and, at the same time, produce a Budget surplus. I am not suggesting that he should have done that, but if he had done it, it would have been disinflationary. From that point we may regard his Budget as perfectly neutral. It has been complained that the new taxes hit the poorer classes almost to the same extent as they are benefiting by the new subsidies. First of all, I would like to say that in 1938 over 70 per cent. of the salaried classes had an income which did not exceed £250 per year. In a country, therefore, like this, where the average income is low, it is quite impossible to spread the net of taxation without getting some of the lower income classes for the reason that you cannot get enough from the classes that might be described as well-to-do. But taking it all over, the poorer classes will profit more by the subsidisation of the necessities of life than they will lose by taxation. I think that must be admitted, unless it happens to be the case that the poorer classes are very heavy smokers and drinkers and great picture fans. The taxation system here is known technically as progressive, whereby the wealthier classes pay a higher percentage, and the new Budget did not depart from the pattern of the taxation system as a whole. Therefore, it is obvious that the well-to-do are going to pay more, from which it follows that the poorer classes must profit more by the subsidies than they lose by the taxation.

It has been suggested in certain irresponsible quarters and in quarters that is is hoped will be responsible that it should be possible to reduce the cost of living by 30 per cent. by the method of subsidising essentials at the expense of the people who live by profits, or if you like, whose annual incomes are £1,000 per year or more. Now, in 1934, according to information contained in the White Paper, the total amount of money spent on food in this country was something of the order of £55,000,000 and at the present time it seems reasonable to suppose that the total expenditure on food is something over £60,000,000 per year. A 30 per cent. reduction on this expenditure would mean something of the order of £20,000,000 which would have to be found by the taxation of some other sections of the community. If you look for this £20,000,000 from the people with incomes of £1,000 or more, who according to the White Paper represent 9 per cent. of the aggregate of £260,000,000, you will have to tax people with an aggregate income of £25,000,000. The net result would be that to reduce the cost of living by 30 per cent. you would have to find £20,000,000 and get it by taxing people with an aggregate income of £25,000,000. I do not think that even the new Party would stand for that.

I think the Senator is even under-estimating the position at that.

We are suffering from inflation and while the wind is blowing from the east it is not blowing from Russia but from countries that are much nearer than Russia and there is very little we can do about it, because it is more an external than a domestic problem. This Budget is an honest and competent method of reducing the effects of inflation. As the Minister has undoubtedly insisted the only remedy is increased production, an increase of goods whether produced at home or imported, and to secure an increase in production in our own agricultural output we need more phosphates. There is no more phosphate-starved country than ours and no country that would yield more in output to an increased application of phosphates than our country. Therefore I welcome the new agreement with Britain both in general and particular for it provides for an addition in the amount of phosphates that we can reasonably hope to import or produce from imported rock; an increase from 15,000 tons of imported phosphates presumably of British origin. I take this opportunity of saying that I welcome the terms of this new agreement. No doubt it is open to criticism in detail and such criticism has certainly been lavishly afforded it by Senator Baxter. In a way, I suppose, it is rather disappointing that the price agreed upon for beef is not quite so high as Britain is going to pay her own farmers and the farmers in Northern Ireland. But to me the advantage in the price of beef cattle appears to be in the fact that for the first time in 15 years it brings the price of beef cattle into line with the price of store cattle. In due course, no doubt, this will lead to the stall-feeding of our own cattle at home instead of our exporting them all as stores. There is another aspect of the matter.

It appears to me that the increases guaranteed to the British farmers for beef and other agricultural products will raise the price of these commodities so high that it is extremely doubtful whether in the course of the next five or ten years the British Government will be able to go on paying them, especially if it becomes possible to import agricultural products cheaper than the prices they have promised to pay their own farmers. The temptation, therefore, for the British Government to reduce these prices to their own farmers will be great. I would like to see a price agreement with Britain covering a number of years at 8/- or 10/- per cwt. less than at what Britain is committed for the time being. One aspect of this Budget is that it has as its principal object the subsidisation of the cost of living, especially for the poorer classes. In this respect, the Minister is following in the footsteps of British war-time practice which carried out the principle of subsidisation to a very marked degree indeed, but I hope the Minister will not go anything like the distance in subsidising the price of food that the British have gone. In that country, as you probably know, they spend nearly £400,000,000 a year of the taxpayers' money in cheapening the price of a certain range of the necessities of life for the general consumer and in the opinion of some that is the principal cause of the fundamentally inflationary condition which is threatening to ruin the whole British economy. If the Minister had been at the elbow of the late Chancellor of the Exchequer in Britain and suggested to him a Budget analogous to the one we now have before us, I think it probably would have contained a provision for wiping out the most of those subsidies in the case of the British Budget and, if it had, it would have put the British economy on a much sounder basis than it still remains on. But, unfortunately, we gave the British Home Rule some years ago.

Now, it is tempting to make certain comparisons between our economy and the economy of Britain and, if you like, perhaps glance from certain points of view. We have heard over and over again the fact that in our country, while wages have gone up since 1939 by less than 50 per cent. the cost of living has gone up by more than 70 per cent. whereas the direct opposite has taken place in the case of Britain. The cost of living, at all events as measured by the cost-of-living index, has gone up by something like 30 per cent. whereas the level of wage rates has gone up by more than 70 per cent. and in fact the level of wage earnings in some cases approximates to 100 per cent. higher than it was in 1939. So that there you have the exact opposite case to that in which we find ourselves and I personally am prepared to argue that if the British case was similar to ours, instead of being the exact opposite to it, that economy would be in a fundamentally healthier position than it now is because there has in fact taken place in Britain a most important social revolution in the course of the last seven years, the nature of which has been to redistribute money income. I will not say purchasing power because one effect of the redistribution has been to deprive money income of its significance as purchasing power. Nevertheless, there has been a redistribution of money income in favour of the wage earning class in Britain and against the profit receiving classes to an extent which has been calculated in a recent article in the Economist as something like 30 per cent.—30 per cent. more real income in a technical sense for the wage earning classes; 30 per cent. less real income in a technical sense for the classes that live on profits.

Now, if there had been any adequate supply of useful and desirable goods for the workers to spend their additional income on in Britain that would have been altogether admirable but, as a matter of fact, after they had bought their limited rations, they found themselves with surplus money that they had literally nothing useful to do with and that money spilt over into all sorts of undesirable directions and forced up prices in the whole of the uncontrolled sector of the economy and especially attracted labour and other resources into all kinds of undesirable activities like football pools and the various activities with which the "spiv" classes are associated. And, in fact, it is the principal reason that it is now impossible in Britain to get an adequate amount of labour for the most essential works in the country, so many people are making a profitable living by catering for the uneconomic expenditure by the over-wealthy wage-earning classes.

That whole situation in Britain could have been ended by a stroke of the pen by the simple abolition of all or most of the subsidies on foodstuffs but, of course, it would have been politically unpopular and might have given rise to a demand for higher wages which would have defeated the original purpose. But, in theory, the solution was obvious—wipe out the subsidies—and in that case they would have made their whole problem of the international balance of payments much more soluble. But I need not talk so much of their situation. We are concerned with our own, but we are concerned also to point out how difficult it is for us to solve a problem like this inflationary problem which is of external origin when the centre and origin of that inflation is in a country over which we have no control and, I am afraid, very little influence.

I will not delay the House by discussing the situation in France except to say that in that country, apparently, the mistake was made of pegging the price of wheat at a fixed level while allowing other prices, especially the price of meat and poultry and eggs, to find their natural level while at the same time the Government facilitated, or at all events were unable to resist, a strong upward movement in the wages of industrial workers. The effect of that was that it was much more profitable for the farmers to grow forage crops to produce beef and eggs rather than to grow wheat. The farmers cut down their acreage under wheat and even the wheat they did produce they used for feeding animals rather than selling for human consumption and a country which normally and before 1939 had enough wheat of its own production to satisfy all its population finds itself in the year 1947 with only about 50 per cent. of its requirements by way of wheat. That is the principal reason that France has been threatened by starvation unless the Marshall Plan comes to her aid.

In fact, it would appear that you can do more harm than good by policies of restricting some prices if you do not restrict and control all the other prices wisely and in accordance with your restriction of some and there seems to be no permanently satisfactory half-way house between a completely controlled economy and a completely free economy.

The price of wheat in Ireland is high. I think it is something like 55/- to 60/- a barrel but does the House realise that the price of wheat in Chicago is probably higher? At all events, in August of this year it was 2 dollars 23 cents a bushel and, unless my arithmetic is wrong, that corresponds to a price of about 60/- a barrel over here and it is certainly three times as high as the price at which wheat was saleable in the United States of America in 1939. In fact, most of the prices which are reflected in the high cost of living that we all complain about and are all inclined to denounce the Government for are imposed on us by external circumstances for which the Government has got no responsibility whatever. They are, in fact, a reflection of the fact that the world is passing through a crisis of acute scarcity. That crisis was bound to reflect itself in suffering all round and the only problem for statesmanship is how to equalise the burden of suffering and prevent it falling unduly on any section of the community.

I think the Government realises the precarious world situation in which we find ourselves and has learned a lot lately, partly, perhaps, in consequence of its recent taking part in various world conferences, and it has shown a certain realism about this whole matter and a certain willingness to play the part of the good neighbour in the society of European nations and, God knows, many of them need good neighbours at present. In consequence of that improvement in its whole outlook on things, it is going to be severely punished for its virtues at the next election. I have considerable sympathy in anything like that, because I have often been punished for my virtues myself and that perhaps tempts me to develop a certain analogy which has occurred to me between the career of the Minister's Party and the career of the Prodigal Son. During the past 15 years the Minister's Party has by no means been in the political wilderness—on the contrary, it has enjoyed the fruits of office—but perhaps during much of that time it was in a kind of moral wilderness, living on the husks of exploded political, economic and ideological fantasies. But lately, and altogether to its credit, it has decided to come out of that moral wilderness and to return, so to speak, to its father. The Irish people, the father in question, so unlike the father in the parable, has slaughtered the fatted calf and fed it to the greyhounds and is entirely disposed to send the Minister's Party back again into the political wilderness. That is just not fair and the Minister's Party has my utmost sympathy.

The Earl of Longford

There is not very much left to say on this question, but there are certain points which I feel I ought to mention. The first is the necessity for realising that it is undoubtedly the duty of the Government to see that the people are fed, clothed and housed. I do not mean that the Government itself should feed, clothe or house them, but that they should give them a reasonable chance of doing it for themselves and nothing ought to be allowed to interfere with that first duty of the Government. We are told of the terrible times 100 years ago in the days of the Famine, when great quantities of food were exported from this country and hundreds of thousands of people died of starvation here. I am not saying that that is likely to happen again, but it is something which could happen, and, under no circumstances, for no reason whatever, should the Government neglect its duty of seeing that the people are placed in a position in which they will be able to get the necessaries of life.

These, however, are abnormal times and measures may have to be taken which may seem perhaps to interfere with that supply of the necessaries of life. These necessaries must be provided and no amount of exports is any good, if they are paid for in all kinds of commodities and if as a result the people go hungry or have not sufficient clothing. We must remember particularly that the children represent the future of the nation, and that, unless there is sufficient food to bring up these children in decent healthy conditions, the country has and deserves no future. As I say, these are very abnormal times and in order to ensure that the necessaries of life will be available to the citizens the most drastic measures must sometimes be taken. These drastic measures in this Budget are necessary in order that the men, women and children of Ireland may be able to buy food.

I think that further measures may be necessary and we may have to consider further food subsidies. There are economic objections to subsidies, but they are probably the only way at present, as an emergency measure, of getting food cheaper. There is a great deal of irresponsible talk on this matter. A great many people who want these subsidies do not want to pay for them. We must all pay for them and they are impossible without being paid for. If we borrow, we merely pay in the future, and there is no way of getting the money except, apparently, by taking it from the taxpayers.

It is regarded as a grievance that, in order to get food, our drink, or our cinemas must be taxed. I am, perhaps, not entirely impartial on the question of cinemas. I think the cinema is something which can very well afford to be taxed. It is an industry which is almost entirely in the hands of foreigners and which, to my mind, does very little good to this country. I am all for providing people with entertainment, and if the cinemas were Irish-owned and provided Irish films, I would not object in the least, but, in the meantime, would it not be possible to provide some other form of entertainment which would not involve the expenditure of large quantities of dollars? Drink may be a necessity and cigarettes also be a necessity, although I am a non-smoker and, perhaps, do not drink as much as some people do, but I cannot see that we need all these cinemas. They are spreading around the country and appearing in smaller and smaller places, one result of which is the complete destruction of the theatrical companies which used to tour the country and the throwing out of work of live actors and actresses.

I would much rather see a revival of the theatre all over the country—not necessarily highbrow. Let it be lowbrow, if you like—variety, music hall, or any other type—but let it be some form of entertainment which is native-owned and employing live Irish actors and actresses and providing a form of entertainment which the people will enjoy just as much as these miserable films which, I cannot believe, from a national or any other point of view, are any good for the country. They may be a pleasant thing to have if we can afford them, but I am not sure we can.

With regard to the tax on drink, I wonder whether it will very much reduce consumption, but I think that no man will resent a slight extra tax on drink if it means that his children will be decently fed. I cannot believe that the whole nation is so addicted to drink as some people seem to think. There seems to be a great deal of irresponsible talk with regard to this matter of drink. I would not like to suggest that it had anything to do with the forthcoming elections, but one hears it all over the country amongst all classes of people. A great deal of it is due to ignorance. It is very hard for people who are not in Government circles— and perhaps the people in Government circles are partly to blame—to realise what the position is, to realise the international situation and the effect it has on us, an effect which we cannot understand and which, at the same time, we seek to avoid.

It is very hard to find any method of taxation which will not hit the poor man eventually. If there was a system which would hit only the rich and not the poor, I would say that it should be tried first, but I do not believe there is any such system. Certainly the methods employed in England seem to have brought that country to the verge of disaster. There is a great tendency amongst some people to regard England as the promised land, flowing with milk and honey, when it is flowing with nothing but paper money, and I do not see that we should want to copy what England has done. Senator Johnston has made that very clear and has given a very reasoned account of the position there.

I should like to say that I quite appreciate the difficulties under which the Government are labouring in this matter, and one thing which these taxes will make us realise is the enormous amount of money which the slightest reduction in the cost of living involves. That cost, however, must be reduced, and, of course, the only way to reduce it is by making the essentials of life more plentiful. More goods is the way to get cheaper goods.

I do not see much of an objectionable nature in this Budget. My criticism of it is that it does not go far enough. I feel that it makes a very inadequate contribution to the whole of the inflationary pressure. I am not popular with many people I meet in daily life for saying it, but again I say that I regret that the Minister has abandoned the principle of excess profits tax—I do not say necessarily in the form it took during the war, but in some modified form. It would have produced some £4,000,000, and if that sum had been applied to the reduction of the cost of living, it would have meant a very substantial contribution. I cannot see any indication that the abandonment of that tax has stimulated production or local enterprise. If I am wrong, the Minister can give instances to the contrary. Naturally, I would not like to see a tax of that kind in our permanent code, but while the conditions of scarcity continue the reasons for it are just as strong after the war as they were during the war.

The need for some tax of that kind is also influenced by the whole of our national economy. We say—rightly so —that the best protection to the customer is free enterprise, with full production and a consumer protected by competition; but in the artificial conditions of sheltered industry, as we have under our tariff policy, industries which spring up very often with no knowledge among the manufacturers themselves, industries that may tax the raw material of secondary industries, I feel that you have not got the protection which, under a freer economy, competition would provide. I know it is a difficult question and one that needs examination. I hope the Minister is going to be in the position to introduce our next Budget and, in the meantime, that he will consider whether the ordinary system of economy under free enterprise does provide the protection to the consumers which it would under conditions where our whole economy was not so artificially protected.

With regard to other taxes which the Government might consider, I come back to the betting tax. The Government has a moral responsibility in the authority it gives to betting and if I had the responsibility of the Minister—which Heaven forbid —I would tax betting as much as it could bear. I suppose it might drive betting underground, but I would almost rather that than have it blatantly practised as it is to-day. It is an immoral blight on the community. I would tax betting as much as it would stand. I would give a certain portion of the proceeds, as is done now, to the racing and horse-breeding industries, but I would take every penny I could beyond that. It is nonproductive and makes no contribution to our national wealth. It merely encourages a very undesirable form of activity.

I hope the Minister will consider before the next Budget—I think he said he would do so on the last Budget—the taxation of the capital portion of an annuity. It is very unjust that a person who spends his own capital is not taxed except on the income, but if he buys an annuity he is taxed on the whole capital and income. As a matter of elementary justice that should be considered.

I ask the Minister to consider also for the next Budget the increased property stamp duty on charities. I know that in the Church it is sometimes necessary to buy properties purely for charitable purposes. The increase hits them very hard and I do not think that the very heavy subsidiary tax of 5 per cent. should apply to purchases of that kind. If provident societies or building societies are exempted, charities have an equal claim. This tax also seems very hard on people who are looking for houses. One item of our national economy which bears hardest on our people is the housing difficulty and the Minister is doing it a disservice by increasing the stamp duty to this extent. I would be in favour of taxing people who are merely speculating in house property. The worst aspect of the present inflation is that people are buying houses with a view to selling them, adding nothing to productivity and not helping to solve the problem. That is going on and is very deplorable. I have seen houses changing hands twice a year, at increased prices.

On the other hand, there is the poor person who wants to buy his own house, as he cannot get one to rent. It seems hard that a person, genuinely buying his own house for himself and his family, should have to pay not only an enormous profit to the builder—the Minister knows that better than I do— but also this heavy stamp duty. I hope that, before the main Budget, the Minister will consider whether some means could not be devised whereby people buying their own houses would not have to pay this increase. I know the administration is difficult, but in the interests of equity it should be done. The Minister should consider whether something cannot be done to limit the profits made by these building speculators. There again, it is a new approach and a departure from free enterprise. Material is scarce and the Government is licensing material, yet these fortunate people are able to get it—some get it easier than others, one does not know how that is done—and then they are able to charge 40 or 50 per cent. profit on the cost. It is very wrong, in view of the housing scarcity. I know it is not easy to control, but some attempt should be made. This is merely a suggestion and is a matter for close inquiry by experts. I cannot see the difficulty of ascertaining the cost of a new house—I do not mean a very big, rich man's house—but a house for which a person can afford at the very most £3,000. He should be protected in some way against these enormous profits.

I was disappointed not to see considered, in relation to the balance of payments, the possibility of a meat ration. We can sell all the meat we can get and it only seems common sense that we should adopt some kind of meat ration, in order to help the very alarming balance of payments. I see this morning there is a startling visible gap of £55,000,000 in our adverse balance of payments.

I was rather surprised to hear Senator Johnston say that the Government had no responsibility for the increased cost of living. I know that a lot of the circumstances are beyond their control, but I feel that they are not entirely free from responsibility because of their failure to get to close quarters with this question of inflation. I do give the Government a good character for not borrowing, which is certainly one of the causes of inflation, but not the only one. In my opinion speculation in houses, not for sale, is certainly a form of inflation to which the Government might turn their attention. As I say, the Minister has a very difficult job at the present time since the whole economy of the world is in an awful mess. I think really that, in spite of all our difficulties, we are very fortunate in this country compared to most countries in the world.

I wonder could we get agreement to finish this Bill tonight by continuing until 10.30 p.m., so that the Minister might be able to conclude?

I can be here to-morrow.

Mr. Hawkins

Can we be told if there are many others to speak?

I do not know.

I do not think that we ought to change the hours of the sitting casually in this way. When we make plans to sit at stated hours we ought to adhere to them.

I have very little comment to make on the Bill. I think it is just one of those occasions when we just cannot feel, like the dog at its father's funeral, neither sorry nor glad. I could not help feeling, when some of the critics of the Bill were speaking, that they did not feel glad that the Budget is as bad as it is, and were sorry that it is not worse than it is. For myself, I feel both sorry and glad. I feel sorry in this way, that the Budget brings home to us in a very realistic manner the fact that we have not got out of the difficulties brought about by the war. The Budget has brought home to us very forcibly that, not only do these difficulties continue, but that they are very likely to continue for a very considerable time ahead.

I feel glad, at the same time, that the Government have faced the issue in the way that they have, and have decided that the prices of essential commodities must be held to a reasonable level. I was glad to hear more than one Senator express dissatisfaction at the efforts that have been made by certain elements in the community to try to convince the community that this Budget is a serious blow at the community. I think this House is doing a good turn to itself and to the nation in drawing attention to the fact that the Government have done the only thing that it was possible for them to do in bringing in the Budget in the way they did, and are doing a good turn to the nation and to the House itself in drawing the attention of the community to the fact that it must do something to help itself out of the difficulties that unfortunately have been forced upon us.

For myself, I feel very annoyed at the efforts that have been made to play on the weakness of certain elements in the community who feel that they ought to have more freedom to spend money on certain commodities and that much more of these commodities ought to be made available to them. I draw attention to this: that, according to the White Paper on national income published some time ago, the figures there indicate that whereas the community is paying £92.8 millions for its foodstuffs, that same community is paying £35.4 millions for alcoholic beverages and tobacco, and is paying for amusements just £3,000,000. I think, everything considered, the mere pittance which the community is asked to save on things of this kind is a very small contribution towards bringing about something like recovery in the national economy.

The figure is not as significant as it might be, but it will become more significant if one looks at the figures for production, which are given in thousands, in the last issue of the Trade Journal. I notice there that in the case of beer, home-made and imported, retained for home consumption, there has been a continual steep rise from 1944. The figures may be interesting. In 1944 they were 61.16; in 1945, 67.79, and in 1946, 76.23. Again, in the case of potable spirits, home made and imported, retained for home consumption, we have the same trend: 37.51, 61.97 and 69.82. We have the same again in regard to unmanufactured tobacco, home-grown and imported and retained for home consumption. The figure for 1944 is 789 lbs.; for. 1945, 819 lbs., and in 1946, 971 lbs. Surely, in view of the expansion in the consumption of these commodities, and in view of the enormous amount of national income that is being spent on them, it is no hardship to ask the consumers of these commodities to make some contribution towards stabilisation and the lowering of prices of essential commodities. I think that is the only way in which this matter ought to be looked at, and I think it is the bounden duty of everyone in public life to bring these facts home to the community.

That is all I have to say, because we have to adjourn now. Again, I want to say that we all regret, as has been so well expressed by Senator the Earl of Longford, that the necessity for this Budget has arisen. At the same time, I think we have to pay a compliment to the Government that they took their courage in their hands in the way they did and faced the issue in the way they did. I believe myself that when the community gets the chance it will express its appreciation in the same way. I move the adjournment of the debate.

Debate adjourned.
The Seanad adjourned at 10 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Thursday, 20th November, 1947.
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