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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 14 Jul 1949

Vol. 36 No. 19

Alginate Industries (Ireland) Limited (Acquisition of Shares) Bill, 1949—Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

In order to explain the general purpose of this Bill it is necessary to outline the circumstances which have led to its introduction. My Department has had assocations for the past 12 years with an English firm named Alginate Industries Limited. This firm has been engaged in the extraction of Alginates from seaweeds since 1936, and all this time has been a buyer of Irish seaweeds, the gathering and transport being organised by Gaeltacht Services and the material being shipped in the air-dried state to Scotland for processing.

Early in 1946, the company decided to form an associate Irish company the better to ensure their supplies of these raw materials. Plans were made for the Irish company to engage in the purchase, sale and shipment to the English company of air-dried searods. Later in the year 1946, the English company became interested in ascophyllum (rock-weed) as a supplementary raw material for the production of a kind of alginate which would cater for certain markets which could not be satisfied out of the limited annual production from searods in Ireland and Scotland, and it was decided to set up a plant in Connemara to dry and mill the weed instead of shipping it unprocessed from this country.

The Irish company was incorporated in February, 1947, with a capital of £6,000, of which 51 per cent. was subscribed by an Irish interest. A site for the drying and milling plant was acquired at Kilkerrin, near Carna, and close to the largest ascophyllum belt in Europe. An agreement was concluded between the Irish and English companies for the sale and purchase of seaweeds whether in their air-dried or milled states and provision was made for the supply of machinery and technical assistance by the English company. The milling factory was completed in February, 1948.

While the factory was in course of erection the position developed that certain chemicals required for the processing of ascophyllum weed were no longer available to the English company and that, therefore, milled ascophyllum weed would not be required for the time being. The Irish company was, therefore, asked to substitute for the agreement to supply milled ascophyllum weed one for the supply of milled searods for the production of which the milling plant was also suitable. At the same time, it was found that the capital of the Irish company was insufficient and would have to be increased to £10,000, in which increase it would be necessary that the Irish partners should participate so as to keep their share up to 51 per cent. While these matters were awaiting settlement a change occurred in the ownership of the Irish interest, and in March, 1948, the Irish partners asked to be released from participation in the Irish company.

My Department suggested to the English company that they might apply for a new manufacture licence under the Control of Manufactures Acts to enable them to get complete control of the Irish company subject to subscribing for the majority of the shares. The English company, while being of opinion that such course might be feasible and to some extent advantageous in the case of the milling of the ascophyllum weed which is found in close proximity to the factory, could not agree that there would be any advantage in the case of the milling of searods. Having regard to the cost of transpost of searods from far and near points of the coast to the factory such milling could, it asserts, be done as cheaply and more conveniently after direct transport to Scotland at its plant there. It should be remembered that the milling of searods here had been proposed only to replace the milling of ascophyllum weed until its use could be resumed.

We decided to take up the interests in this project and ask for 51 per cent. of the share capital by this Bill.

The reasons for adopting this course may be summarised as follows:—

(a) Unless it were adopted, it seemed certain that the rod-milling industry would be lost to the Gaeltacht. Recent indications show that the ascophyllum scheme may be revived in two or three years' time. Failing participation in the Irish company by the Department, the obvious and most economical course for the English company would be to close the Kilkerrin factory and revert to the direct shipment of searods to Scotland. The factory could be reopened on the revival of the ascophyllum scheme.

(b) The searod industry is regarded as the one showing the best prospects of the marine products industries. The uses to which the products of the searods are put are such that it appears that the demand for these will be lasting, will steadily increase and will be a valuable source of income to the men engaged in the industry on the western seaboard. The collection of searods has been increased and approximately £12,000 has been paid to the gatherers for the past season's harvest.

(c) It is estimated that the working of the factory will mean the distribution of an additional £9,000 in respect of wages, turf and services rendered locally.

The Bill now before the House accordingly proposes to authorise the expenditure of a sum not exceeding £5,100 in the acquisition of shares of £1 each in the Irish company.

Section 1 of this Bill is self-explanatory. With regard to Section 2, the capital of the company, at present £6,000, is to be increased to £10,000 as already stated, and this section provides for the acquisition of 51 per cent. of the increased capital of £10,000, so that the majority holding will be in the name of the Minister for Lands. Section 3 deals with the powers of the Minister in respect of his shares.

With regard to Section 4, it will be necessary that the Minister should be represented on the board of the company, and this section accordingly provides for the nomination of nominees and their powers and functions. Section 5 is required because a Minister of State as a corporation sole is not a qualified person under the Control of Manufactures Act, 1934.

Sections 6, 7 and 8 are self-explanatory.

As the Minister has explained, this Bill is designed to ensure that a particular industry in the Gaeltacht will continue. I understand from the Minister's statement that the industry was first established in conformity with the Control of Manufactures Act and that 51 per cent. of the capital was held by Irish citizens. As time went on and with the ups and downs of industry in general, it was found that the time had come when the company should be further developed. Do I understand that, in giving the Minister power to acquire some 5,000 shares at £1 each, the Gaeltacht Services Department are taking the industry over completely, or has the English firm still a controlling interest?

Oh, no. That cannot be, according to law. The Minister for Lands is taking over 51 per cent. of the shares and the English company will hold 49 per cent., which gives the Minister a controlling interest.

I take it that really what the Minister is doing is taking over the shares formerly held by Irish citizens under the Control of Manufactures Act and that the industry will be continued on the same basis, except that the Minister will in future, as one of the largest shareholders, have the appointment of members of the board to control the industry. We not merely will give every support we can to maintaining the industries which exist in the Gaeltacht but we hope and urge that, so far as possible, every step should be taken to develop, build up and expand as many industries as possible there.

I do not know any more than the Minister told us about Alginate Industries, Limited, but I know a certain amount about seaweeds and about this substance, alginic acid. There are certainly two or three things of interest with regard to this Bill which I think might profitably be considered by the Seanad. One point is that, as some Senators may know, some years ago it was discovered that our common seaweeds had a most important chemical material, alginic acid, which could be made the basis of a whole series of adhesives and plastics and which is really one of the coming substances. In one way I am very glad that there is a chance of the Minister getting his hand on this substance, because I think it is a substance we ought to exploit. We are, as is generally realised, in near proximity to a very important ascophyllum belt which if properly harvested would give us a very large amount of this material. Following the remarks of the Minister, I understand that the foreign company took over the preparation of the alginates in 1936, the material being sent to Scotland for subsequent processing, but this is what I am a little puzzled about. In 1948, if I heard the Minister correctly, the scheme was modified because certain chemicals needed for processing could not be obtained. That is something we ought to look into. The extraction of alginate from seaweed is a very easy thing, and I wonder just what is behind the "certain chemicals for processing which could not be obtained". After all, the war is over. I wonder why this foreign company suddenly decided to withdraw their interest in this particular source of the alginate, the ascophyllum. I do not want to get too tied up in the botany of it—I can go into it on Committee—but this is a matter we might look into so as to be perfectly certain that we are not buying a pig in a poke or not buying a poke that has no pig in it. Is there anything wrong with this material or what happened that the foreign company could not get the necessary reagents required for processing?

We then went on to the sea rods, to the laminaria and their milling, and in this respect there are one or two things we ought to consider also—the cost of maintenance of the milling plant and whether there is any danger of the foreign markets being closed. If so, we should see that we are developing home markets for the conversion of the milled laminaria searod meal into the raw material from which the alginate is extracted. Alginic acid is too important a substance to be let go by default. There may be quite a good thing in this, but, on the other hand, there may be some hidden snag, and I am not certain whether the snag is in the seaweed, in the company or in the chemicals for processing.

The last matter which might commend itself to our consideration is that we do not want one company to get a monopoly of the seaweed processing in this country. We require a certain opening for private enterprise and I presume that Irish Alginates Limited will not eventually extend its activities so as to control all the weed harvested off the coast. I almost feel that an investigation might be conducted a little more fully into the question of Irish harvested weeds, especially as, some years ago, we had the results of some very first-rate work done by Irish chemists in a southern university—Cork, to be precise—on the composition of these materials and the extracts from them. I sincerely hope that their advice has been sought in considering this subject. That is why I am particularly interested in one aspect of it— the type of stuff we are getting; why the foreign company suddenly withdrew; and how valid the claim is that certain chemicals are required? Another thing which I should like to ask is the alginate content of our various marine algæ, the laminaria and ascophyllum. If we can get enough alginic acid out of it to make the process workable— that will be the first step. The second step is home processing, and the third, a really developed market.

I am almost completely ignorant of a great many things and I should like enlightenment in regard to one of them. I am almost completely ignorant about ascophyllum and searods, but I do not propose to ask the Minister to expound on these, but on the question of finance, about which I am almost equally ignorant. By Section 2 the Minister is authorised to expend a sum or sums not exceeding £5,100, which, for a country with the annual income we have, does not seem a very large sum. The question on which I seek enlightenment is: why, in Section 7, sub-section (2), it is necessary for the Minister for Finance to be empowered "to borrow from any person, any sum or sums and for the purpose of such borrowing to create and issue additional securities bearing interest" and so on? It seems an awfully large weapon to be used in respect of £5,100. I am sure there is a perfectly good reason for it and I ask the question in honest ignorance.

Captain Orpen

I should like to ask the Minister for Lands for a little further information about this alginate industry because, as Senator Fearon has said, alginic acid is an important material and one that seems to be about to have a valuable and important future. I want to know from the Minister why, in addition to merely drying and milling laminaria, he could not do the extraction. If, as has been stated, we are particularly favourably situated as regards the ascophyllum, why should we merely dry and pass the material through a hammer mill? Why do we not do the extraction? From the limited amount of information that is available to us it looks to me very much as if the people of the West of Ireland are being asked to do the laborious work while somebody else is pulling out the plums. I should like to hear the Minister on that point. I feel that, from what one hears vaguely in regard to these highly-flexible plastics that seem to be associated with alginic acid, we ought to get in and on this project and not allow it to be completely developed in Great Britain.

To the average person, a great deal about this industry must be very vague as I must admit it was to me until some time ago. The history of the industry can roughly be described as follows. While it appears that alginic acid, which is a very useful substance in the manufacture of plastics and many other things, could always be produced on a small scale in the laboratory it was only quite recently that it was discovered how to produce it on a commercial scale. That is, as Senator Orpen has just asked me now, a secret. I think the secret of how to produce it on a commercial scale is confined at the present time to two people in the European theatre. During the experimental stage they tried their hand on many raw materials and, while they tried on ascophyllum, they tried on each of the three common kinds of seaweed. They discovered that searods was the most productive type—not alone did it produce the best quality but it was found to be the most productive source of raw material for the supply of alginic acid. The searods grow in a depth of from about 15 to 25 or 28 feet of water. Our west coast seems to be particularly favourable for the development of a large field in this respect because it slopes slowly to the Atlantic shelf. A steep drop does not provide the necessary broad field for what we would regard as a liberal crop. Searods are thrown up by storms during the winter and it is during the winter that the gathering must be done. At first there was no market, but then English Alginates discovered that it was a very fruitful source of alginic acid. Gaeltacht Services stepped in and, besides inducing the fisher folk and the people along the coast to gather these rods which had been going to loss, they purchase the searods from them. They pay the gatherers with money voted by the Dáil and that has appeared under a certain sub-head in the Book of Estimates for the last few years. The searods are then sold to the company that was specially formed by a certain Irish interest, and English Alginates and that company was known as Irish Alginates.

The searods are sent to a factory established for the purpose where they are dried. It is a rather slow process so as not to destroy the quality of the searods. They are then ground to a meal and shipped to a factory in England where the alginic acid is extracted. The Irish interest decided to withdraw from the company for reasons, I suppose, best known to themselves. There was a danger of the industry perishing or going on the rocks. This Bill is asking for the necessary authority to purchase the 5,100 shares held by the Irish interest up to this and to go into the industry ourselves.

Senator Fearon asked why we do not go the whole road and extract the acid ourselves. The answer is that we do not know how to do that. Apparently it is a secret yet. Mind you, experiments are being conducted. Quite a lot of people have pricked up their ears, and while it is a secret at the moment it may not be a secret very much longer. Quite a number of people are very much interested in it, and rightly so.

Questions were asked about the two other common kinds of seaweed, rock weed and the other type which grows out to sea also. Experiments are being conducted, particularly on the ascophyllum rock weed. I hope they will come to a successful conclusion.

Another question asked was why the English people could not supply certain chemicals for the extraction of alginic acid from ascophyllum. The British Government refused to do so. They were prepared to supply them for its extraction from searods, but definitely they were not, during the war period when chemicals were scarce, prepared to supply them for ascophyllum. I suppose they had inside knowledge that ascophyllum was not as productive or as successful as searods, and we must bear in mind that chemicals were scarce then. That is the only reason. That situation has eased to a great extent. The experiment on ascophyllum is going on apace and I hope it will prove successful. There is a vast field there in England for the extraction of alginic acid, but rock weed may from a very useful raw material for other industries apart from alginic acid.

Senator Bigger asked why sub-section 2 of Section 7 was in the Bill. That is in accordance with usual procedure. Any time any Minister has to go, in such a case as this, to the Minister for Finance for anything from 1/- to £1,000,000 that sub-section will always be in the Bill before both the Dáil and the Seanad.

There is not really a whole lot to be said on this matter. To put it in very simple language, we are taking over the Irish interest, the lapsing of which threatened the industry which had been established. We have every reason to hope that there is a big future before it and not the sudden rise and fall kind of business that the seaweed industry suffered from in the past. The seaweed industry first came into prominence as a source of iodine. Then, I think, Chilian nitrates was discovered to be a better source because a greater supply could be produced cheaper. Consequently, after a sudden rise, the seaweed industry tumbled just as quickly. Shortly afterwards, it was found that kelp was a source of potash, but now other sources of raw material have crashed that. This time we hope that this industry will have no other competitor as a source of raw material in the production of alginic acid from seaweed.

I recommend this Bill to the House and I know that every Senator would be well pleased if it provides some extra income for the people along the coast. They are not the wealthiest people, the quality of their land is bad and the weather seems to militate against them. This side line will be a very useful one, as the price, which is about £4 a ton for searods, will form a welcome source of income.

While the gathering of the crop has grown from about 41 tons per year to last year's 3,000 tons, even yet only about 25 per cent. of the total quantity of rods washed up is gathered. We hope to expand this industry to the fullest. In the immediate neighbourhood there are large quantities of turf and turf is the material used for drying. It takes one ton of turf per ton of searods dried. That will provide employment for people who otherwise might not have the same opportunity of employment. I believe that on this occasion we have hit on something which will not fall on evil days, as the seaweed industry fell in the past.

Question put and agreed to.

When is it proposed to take the Committee Stage?

There are a few points we might raise. Perhaps we could meet the Minister by giving all stages the next day.

Committee Stage ordered for Wednesday, 20th July.
The Seanad adjourned at 9.15 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Wednesday, 20th July, 1949.
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