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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 22 May 1957

Vol. 48 No. 1

Election of Cathaoirleach.

Tairgim:—

Go dtoghfar an Seanadóir Liam Ó Buachalla mar Chathaoirleach, agus go raghaidh sé anois i gceannas an tSeanaid.

Tá áthas orm ainm Liam Uí Bhuachalla do chur os chomhair an tSeanaid ionas go dtoghfar mar Chathaoirleach é. Fé mar is eol do mhuintir an Tí, fear léannta is ea é agus fear is ea é a bhfuil greim aige ar chúrsaí an tsaoil. Ina theannta san, bhí sé mar Chathaoirleach anseo ar feadh roinnt blian. Admhóidh gach aoinne gur dhein sé a chuid gnótha go maith, gur chomhlíon sé a chuid dualgaisí go maith. Tuigeann sé na horduithe a bhaineann leis an Teach seo agus conus iad do chur chun cinn.

Mar gheall ar sin, tuigim, agus tuigimíd go léir anseo, gur fear oiriúnach don Chathaoir é, go mbeadh sé oiriúnach mar Chathaoirleach. Mar gheall ar na tréithe sin atá aige, iad san agus uile, iarraim ar lucht an tSeanaid cabhrú leis an rún seo, chun go mbeadh sé ina Chathaoirleach ath-uair.

Is mian liom cuidiú leis an rún atá molta ag an Seanadóir Éamon Ó Ciosáin, go dtoghfar an Seanadóir Liam Ó Buachalla mar Chathaoirleach.

Tairgim:—

Go dtoghfar an Seanadóir Pádraig Baxter mar Chathaoirleach, agus go raghaidh sé anois i gceannas an tSeanaid.

Gairid do thrí bliain ó shoin, chuireas ainm an tSeanadóra Baxter os comhair an tSeanad, chun go dtoghfaí é ina Chathaoirleach. Deineadh é a thoghadh, agus is dóigh liom go raibh gach éinne sásta leis an tslí ar dhein sé an gnó agus ar iompair sé féin sa Chathaoir. Táim, mar sin, á dhéanamh arís. Ba mhaith liom a rá ar dtúis nach mar olc ar an Seanadóir Ó Buachalla in aon tsórt slí atáim á dhéanamh.

In July, 1954, Sir, I proposed Senator Baxter for the Chair of this House. I set out the qualities which seemed to me to be required of a Chairman and I said I thought Senator Baxter was admirably suited for the position. He was elected and he proved, I think, an excellent Chairman. He devoted considerable time before the meetings to the study of the business of the House and he came to the Chair well informed. He was fair to everybody and, when occasion demanded, was firm. It seems to me that he has the experience, the patience and the good temper necessary for the duties of the Chair and he has done credit to himself and the House.

The proposal I make, Sir, is not in any sense a condemnation or a criticism of our friend Senator Ó Buachalla, nor is it directed in any personal sense against him. The Seanad is a calm and orderly body and, according to our traditions and practices, the Chair is respected by everyone and is promptly obeyed. It is for the Seanad to decide between the names put before the House. I should like to say with all sincerity that we on this side of the House— and I feel sure what I say now applies to our friends on the other side of the House, the Government side—will accept the decision which the House makes and will give the Chair, when he is elected, our wholehearted support. I think the House would do well to honour Senator Baxter with a second term of office in recognition of the solid hard work which he has done and the service which he has rendered to the House. I move accordingly.

I formally second the proposal.

On a point of order, I should like to draw the attention of the House to a certain irregularity in one of the preceding speeches. There are not two sides to this House. There is not a Government side and there is not an anti-Government side to this House. This House is officially a vocational body. Some of us take that seriously and try to discharge its functions in that regard. I object, and I shall continue to object during the course of this session, to the suggestion that there is a Government side and an anti-Government side. This side and that side of the House exist in nothing more than a geographical sense.

Mr. Crowley

Before this question is put to the House, I should like to make one or two observations. I can recall the first sitting of the last House which I attended as an Independent member in July, 1954. The House was faced on that day with the responsibility of deciding a question exactly similar to this. I can recall also that I felt then, as I feel now, that, as an Independent member of the House, answerable to no Party or no Party whip, I was in honour and duty bound to support the nomination of the Government which had been duly and properly elected by the people.

I felt, as I feel now, that the Government of the day, irrespective of the Party or Parties which may be represented in that Government, are quite properly entitled to the confidence of this House in such a matter as the election of the Chairman of the House, and in putting forward the nomination for the Chair they are entitled to have that nomination accepted. That is a purely personal view.

Similarly, I think it is at most times the normal duty of any Independent member of the House to support the Government as far as possible and for as long as his principles will permit him to do so, unless and until the policy of that Government or any of the proposals which they may bring forward in this House implementing that policy conflict with the stated aims or policy on which such Independent member may have secured election to this House. That is what I tried to do consistently and honestly throughout the lifetime of the previous Government.

In having to decide what I should do in regard to this question before the House, I feel that I would still wish to be consistent in such a matter and, consequently, because I wish to be consistent, I regard it now as my clear duty to support the present Government's nomination for the Chair to-day; but before I do that, I should like it to be very clearly and definitely understood that in supporting that nomination to-day, my vote is not to be regarded as an endorsement of the present Government's policy or of their outlook on certain other matters in any sense or in any respect.

I wish to go upon record to-day as stating emphatically that I find myself in violent disagreement with certain aspects of the present Government's policy in several respects, particularly in so far as that policy has, up to the moment, been unfolded to public scrutiny and I reserve, therefore, to myself the right to criticise, to speak against and, if necessary, vote against the implementation of those aspects of that policy in the passage of future legislation through this House. I should like to have that statement recorded as being the expression of my particular view on this matter before the question is put to the House.

I should like to associate myself with what two other Independent Senators have said in speaking on this motion. I do not want to delay unnecessarily the preliminary proceedings, but I should like to affirm my agreement with Senators Stanford and Crowley that this House should not be regarded as being divided into Government and Opposition. I do not think I have to state again that I sit here as an Independent, and that it is as the result of "geographical accident" that I find myself over here, owing to the large number of those who, shall we say, are not enrolled in the Government Party.

The quality which I would seek, above all, in the Chairman of this Seanad is the capacity to dispense even-handed justice. I think all of us would recognise that that is an absolute essential. All of us also recognise that it is a quality easier to praise and talk about than to possess. My experience of nearly three years in this Seanad has taught me that Senator Ó Buachalla does possess that quality, and for that reason my intention is to support Senator Ó Buachalla, not as a Government nominee, but as a person who, in my opinion and experience, is eminently suited for the post of Chairman of this House.

The Clerk

There are two motions before the House, and, in pursuance of Standing Orders, they will be taken in the order in which they are proposed. The motion in the name of Senator Ó Ciosáin will be taken first.

Question proposed: "That Senator Liam Ó Buachalla be elected Cathaoirleach and do now take the Chair."
The Seanad divided: Tá, 32; Níl, 22.

  • Ahern, Liam.
  • Brady, Seán.
  • Carter, Frank.
  • Cole, John C.
  • Colley, Harry.
  • Connolly O'Brien, Nora.
  • Crowley, Patrick.
  • Crowley, Tadhg.
  • Dowdall, Jane.
  • Farnan, Robert P.
  • Fitzsimons, Patrick.
  • Hayes, Seán.
  • Hogan, Daniel.
  • Kissane, Éamon.
  • Lahiffe, Robert.
  • Lenihan, Brian.
  • Moylan, Seán.
  • Nic Phiarais, Máighréad M.
  • O'Callaghan, William.
  • Ó Donnabháin, Seán.
  • Ó Grádaigh, Seán.
  • Ó Maoláin, Tomás.
  • O'Reilly, Patrick.
  • Ó Siochfhradha, Pádraig.
  • O'Sullivan, Ted.
  • Quinlan, Patrick M.
  • Ruane, Thomas.
  • Ryan, Eoin.
  • Sheehy Skeffington, Owen L.
  • Standford, William B.
  • Teehan, Patrick J.
  • Walsh, Laurence J.

Níl

  • Barry, Anthony.
  • Burke, Denis.
  • Carton, Victor.
  • Crowe, Patrick.
  • Davidson, Mary F.
  • Donegan, Patrick.
  • Fearon, William R.
  • Hayes, Michael.
  • L'Estrange, Gerald.
  • McGuire, Edward A.
  • Murphy, Dominick F.
  • O'Brien, George A.T.
  • O'Donovan, John.
  • O'Keeffe, James J.
  • O'Leary, Johnny.
  • O'Quigley, John B.
  • O'Sullivan, John L.
  • Prendergast, Micheál A.
  • Purcell, Frank.
  • Roddy, Joseph.
  • Sheridan, Joseph M.
  • Tunney, James.
Tellers:— Tá: Senators Ó Maoláin and Ryan; Níl: Senators Burke and L'Estrange.
Question declared carried.

An Cléireach

Iarraim ar an Seanadóir Liam Ó Buachalla an Chathaoir a thógaint. I now ask Senator Ó Buachalla to take the Chair.

Whereupon Senators rose in their places and remained standing while the Cathaoirleach proceeded to the Dais.

Standing beside the Chair, the Cathaoirleach addressed the House as follows:—

A Sheanadóirí uaisle, is mian liom mo bhuíochas a ghabháil libh as ucht mo thoghadh mar Chathaoirleach. Geallaim díbh go ndéanfaidh mé iarracht chomh maith agus is féidir liom chun an obair a dhéanamh i goeart agus go cothrom.

Tugaim geallúint eile don tSeanad anois, sé sin, go gcuimhneoidh mé i gcónaí ar leas agus dignit an Tí seo. Tá mé thar a bheith buíoch den tSeanad.

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