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Seanad Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 23 Feb 1965

Vol. 58 No. 11

Adjournment Debate. - Dún Laoghaire Car Ferry Terminal.

My purpose in raising this matter on the Adjournment is to request the Minister for Transport and Power to reconsider his decision to site the new car ferry terminal at St. Michael's Wharf, Dún Laoghaire. I regret the necessity to interrupt the debate on the Land Bill in this way. In fact, what I am trying to do is very much what we have been trying to do in our debate on the Land Bill. I am trying to ensure the best use is made of the land of our country in the interests of both the people of Dún Laoghaire and of the country as a whole.

I am raising this matter tonight because it is a matter of urgency. If certain decisions cannot be altered within the next few weeks perhaps, what I consider to be a grave mistake will be made. It is a matter of urgency and concern, not only to the people of Dún Laoghaire, but I believe, to the people of the country as a whole. In fact, every member of this House will be paying taxes to meet the expense of this car ferry terminal. It will not be a matter for the rates of Dún Laoghaire borough. It will be a matter of national taxation. Therefore, it concerns the members of the House and it also concerns our citizens as a whole.

I want to ask the Minister to reconsider his present decision. Let me first outline to the House the situation at Dún Laoghaire. I want the House to grasp this because I value their good will. If they are convinced by what I say they may help to induce the Minister to reconsider his decision. Dún Laoghaire harbour is one of the finest man-made harbours in western Europe. It consists of three main areas. There is the East Pier, there is the West Pier and there is a central land area between the land ends of the two piers. The East Pier, as many of us know, who live near Dublin, is a favourite resort for the citizens of Dún Laoghaire, for Dubliners and, of course, for tourists from across the water. They walk there, they drive there, they can watch yacht races and they can listen to the band. Altogether, the East Pier is the main tourist attraction in Dún Laoghaire.

The central area at the moment is occupied by the mail boat pier, by three yacht groups, all of them of great merit, and by St. Michael's Wharf. I would like the House to note the name of St. Michael's Wharf because that is where the trouble lies. We then have the West Pier, which is almost a mile long. It is a magnificent pier and is virtually unfrequented and unused. The East Pier is thronged with people every day. The West Pier is completely without people usually, and the central area near the land end of the West Pier is almost a slum quarter of Dún Laoghaire. All who frequent it, on the whole, are the owners of some of the smaller boats. There are no fine buildings in that area. It is not visited by tourists. At the moment that particular area is of very little tourist or commercial importance.

I claim that this west area needs development. It is crying out for development. If the new car ferry terminal is situated nearer the West Pier it will stimulate development which would help Dún Laoghaire and help the country as a whole. Let us be clear on what we are talking about. We have the East Pier there at the moment. The temporary car ferry terminal is being built at the East Pier. It is almost finished now. The Minister has assured us it is only for temporary use. The Minister has decided to place the permanent car ferry terminal on the east side of what I call the central area, that is, at St. Michael's Wharf. The third place where this car ferry terminal might be sited would, as I say, be at the west part of the central area, especially at the place called Traders' Wharf.

I attended a meeting last week in Dún Laoghaire at which there were some 400 people representing all sorts and kinds of residents round about Dún Laoghaire, Dalkey and surroundings. They unanimously voted against the St. Michael's Wharf site and in favour of the Traders' Wharf site. Let me give the reasons for that unanimous vote of approximately 400 people. First, let me state the objections to St. Michael's Wharf, that is the site which the Minister, at the moment, proposes to use as the permanent car ferry terminal. St. Michael's Wharf is at the foot of Marine Avenue, a very fine street which runs up from the harbour to the centre of Dún Laoghaire. Marine Avenue is one of the main streets of Dún Laoghaire.

If St. Michael's Wharf is made the permanent site for the car ferry terminal, first of all, each day a very large number of cars will be landed there and will have to proceed to one of the busiest cross-roads in the district. That will add very greatly to the considerable traffic problems which already face Dún Laoghaire. It is also possible that during the six months, when the tourist cars will probably not be coming across, there will be container traffic. It would be very undesirable for the town of Dún Laoghaire to have this heavy container traffic going right through the centre of the town, or right along the promenade. Also, if St. Michael's Wharf is chosen as a permanent site, the most popular car-park visitors to Dún Laoghaire will be completely lost. At the moment, this particular site is used by dozens of persons and, on occasion, hundreds of persons, as the best and most pleasing car-parking site when visiting Dún Laoghaire.

The site is also used for carnivals during the summer and for receptions from the sea. It has also a magnificent view. One looks right across the harbour to Howth. It is generally agreed to be one of the best points for viewing in Dún Laoghaire. Again, if the intended pier, some 550 ft. long, is built out from St. Michael's Wharf, it will cut right in on what is one of the most famous yachting harbours in these islands. It will cut straight across the main track of the races, and will gravely interfere with the mooring of boats. If car traffic is launched from that particular site, it has to go mainly through Dún Laoghaire itself, or along the promenade. When this boat comes in daily — I understand the time chosen is between 2.30 p.m. and 3.30 p.m.—it will cut right across the yacht racing lines and interfere with some of the finest yacht races that take place in Ireland or Great Britain. Some people have tried to write off the yachtsmen as not worthy of great consideration. That is not so. Their races are of international reputation. Sometimes there are something like 200 boats in the bays during a regatta. This is a very great tourist attraction, and we should be very careful about interfering with it.

It occurs to me — I should very much like to know what the Minister thought of it if he were here — that under the Local Government (Planning and Development) Act, 1963, perhaps the use of the St. Michael's Wharf site is going directly against the spirit and the letter of the Act. I shall quote Section 42 of that Act. It reads as follows:

Where it appears to the planning authority that an area is an area of special amenity by reason of—

(a) its natural beauty, or

(b) its scenic or other amenities...

...and so on, an order may be made to have no development in that area. I think this site is pre-eminently an area of that kind — a special amenity. I understand there are citizens in Dún Laoghaire who are prepared to press the powers of that Act so far as possible in this matter.

Those are the main negative reasons against choosing St. Michael's Wharf. Let me give the positive reasons for choosing the site further to the west, the Traders' Wharf site. First, it develops a piece of land which at the moment is virtually undeveloped. Nearby there is some waste land which is an eyesore at the moment, but is potentially of great value. Secondly, this western site does not interfere in any way with the amenities of Dún Laoghaire. Thirdly, there is plenty of land there for industrial and commercial development, unlike St. Michael's Wharf where land is strictly limited. Further, if we site the car ferry terminal at Traders' Wharf the increased traffic flow will be removed from the centre of Dún Laoghaire and from the main promenade. Further, there is a railway siding adjacent to Traders' Wharf and the facilities for yacht racing would only be interfered with to a small extent. In fact, it would cause very little difficulty, indeed, if the car ferry terminal were put at that point. I understand that there is no objection by British Railways to putting the car ferry terminal there. It depends entirely on the Minister.

Here for a moment I should like to diverge to mention a matter of even wider importance. Dún Laoghaire has been called the gateway to Ireland. It is a very noble gateway, as is known to those who have approached Ireland that way. On the west side there is this virtually derelict piece of waste land. In the national interest, as well as the interest of the borough of Dún Laoghaire, that portion of the gateway to Ireland should be used, and used properly. There is very great urgency for the building of a coast road there from Dún Laoghaire harbour to Blackrock, and on to Sandymount. That would be a magnificent scenic attraction. It would relieve the traffic which now heavily burdens the Blackrock road. If the car ferry terminal were sited on Traders' Wharf, this road would need to be developed, and there would be encouragement for developing it, and thereby the whole area would profit.

I would appeal to the Minister, even if he finds it impossible to accept my main plea this evening, to consider appointing Harbour Commissioners, or some committee, with full power to plan and develop Dún Laoghaire harbour. At the moment it is under the care of the Board of Works who maintain it in good order. But there is no dynamic plan of development for this magnificent harbour. I suggest that if he sites the car ferry terminal at St. Michael's Wharf. he will be interfering very gravely with the development of the harbour, but if he sites it at Traders' Wharf, he will be leading on to greater and better development.

There are, I admit, objections to the site at Traders' Wharf. The first is that apparently when the wind is in a certain quarter there is a heavy swell at that side of the harbour, heavier than in other parts of the harbour. Secondly, there is some doubt about the depth of the water in that part of the harbour. Those difficulties are admitted, but we have excellent marine engineers and I am quite sure difficulties of that kind could be perfectly well overcome if the engineers were given a chance. The difficulties are certainly not insurmountable. In other words, I am saying that both in the national interest, and in the interest of Dún Laoghaire, it is better to site this car ferry terminal permanently in the western area.

I must try to meet one or two of the Minister's possible arguments against me. First, he may point out that Dún Laoghaire Corporation have accepted his plans to put the terminal at the St. Michael's Wharf. Dún Laoghaire Corporation are an estimable body. They have done very good work in many ways; but here, however, I think they have made a grave mistake. I believe they were stampeded by the thought that the ferry might be left permanently on the east pier, which would be utterly disastrous. They took the next best alternative of putting it at St. Michael's Wharf without giving due consideration to the western site. They were also attracted — and what Corporation would not be attracted? — by the Minister's decision that it would not come out of the rates if the St. Michael's Wharf site were accepted. That would be a very attractive proposition to any Corporation. They may feel they are acting in the best interests of Dún Laoghaire in supporting the Minister's decision, but I can only say that the 400 people I mentioned, and a great many others, are entirely against them.

The Minister will probably say that if this change of plan is adopted there will be delay. I assure him it will be worthwhile. The citizens of Dún Laoghaire are prepared to face delay if necessary to get the best site.

Again, he may question the status of the objectors to this plan. He may say: "The Corporation are on my side" and "Who are these people?" It has been suggested that they are only yachtsmen interested in their limited sport. It is perfectly true that the yachtsmen of Dún Laoghaire spearheaded this movement against St. Michael's Wharf, acting, to some extent, in their own interest, but they have a very good complaint and have convinced a large number of Dún Laoghaire citizens that they are right in general.

The last objection I may meet is that the Minister may say that it is too late and that all the necessary decisions have now been made. No construction has been started. I doubt if any Minister is really committed absolutely until actual building begins. Therefore, I appeal to him — and I view him as a Minister who genuinely wants to make the best possible use of our national resources — to halt the present plans. I appeal to him to have a fuller and more detailed survey on sea and land in the western area of the harbour. I have a strong hope that if he does reopen the inquiry he will find good reasons for moving the site of the car ferry further to the west.

It is with considerable reluctance that I rise to disagree with some of what Senator Stanford has said. It seems to me that what he said and the views expressed at the meeting he referred to were based on the supposition that Dún Laoghaire harbour is a seaside resort — a tourist centre and purely that — into which this car ferry is making an unwarranted intrusion.

It must be realised that Dún Laoghaire harbour was built originally as a harbour for a commercial purpose and the purpose was to receive ships. For various reasons, which I do not intend to go into, it has not, in fact, for the past 100 years, been used for commercial purposes to any great extent. As a result, it has become a very popular centre for sailing and other recreational activities. I myself am very keen on sailing and I spend most of my spare time during the summer months sailing in and around Dún Laoghaire. But one must face the realities of the situation. It is now proposed that this harbour, which was originally built for commercial purposes, be used for a commercial purpose, for a car ferry.

There is no objection to having a car ferry in Dún Laoghaire. The objection is to having it in St. Michael's Wharf.

I agree: there is no objection provided it tucks itself away in a corner where it will not be in anybody's way. That is the whole gist of the thing. It is now proposed that it should be a car ferry, which is part of the kind of thing that this harbour was originally built for, and, however belated the effort may be to use it for commercial purposes, now that that proposition has been made it must be given primary consideration.

If St. Michael's Wharf is the best site for the car park ferry — and although I do not hold myself out to be an expert on this by any means, it seems to me that it is the best site — I think it should be used for that purpose even though it interferes with recreational activities of various kinds which have fortuitously grown up during the past 50 years. However much one deplores the fact that this will interfere with the splendid harbour for sailing and other activities — and festivals and bazaars, and so on, have been mentioned — it is primarily a commercial harbour and it should be used for that purpose primarily and we must face that reality in dealing with the situation.

I may be wrong in thinking that St. Michael's Wharf is the best site, but, if it is the best site for that purpose, it should be used for that purpose.

First of all, I should like to apologise for the inability of the Minister for Transport and Power to be here this evening to reply to the debate, particularly to the points put forward by Senator Stanford but he is engaged in the Dáil on the British & Irish Steam Packet Company Limited (Acquisition) Bill and, of course, he cannot be in two places at the same time. There are many things to which I should like to refer that have been put before us by Senator Stanford but I am afraid that, with the limited time, I shall not be able to deal with them all. However, I shall do the best I can.

First of all, I should say that I agree with Senator Stanford that Dún Laoghaire is one of the finest harbours in the world. We all realise that and we should be sorry to see anything happen that would detract from its preeminence as a harbour but, at the same time, we must be realistic and objective in our views. I should point out that the decision of British Railways to introduce a drive-on drive-off car ferry service between Dún Laoghaire and Holyhead was announced in July, 1963. It followed years of pressure on British Railways by Bord Fáilte, the Department of Industry and Commerce and the Department of Transport and Power during which British Railways were given an undertaking that the necessary terminal facilities for such a service would be provided on the Irish side.

The service would be operated with the new ship specially built for the purpose: the ship was launched on 17th February and the service will commence on 9th July next. That ship is costing British Railways £2 million and they are also bearing the cost of the necessary terminal facilities at Holyhead. We must bear that in mind.

The site originally indicated by British Railways for the Irish terminal was at the dolphins on the East Pier in Dún Laoghaire harbour. It would not be practicable to use the mail boat pier because the car ferry schedules would clash with the mail boat services.

This site is the most sheltered available and was the obvious site from the navigational and engineering points of view. It was the only site which would be ready in time for the commencement of the service this year, 1965. This is important in view of what has been stated here tonight. The allocation of the terminal at the East Pier site was strongly opposed by Dún Laoghaire Corporation, by Bord Fáilte, and by the National Yacht Club. The main grounds for these objections were that the terminal would destroy the touristic focal point of Dún Laoghaire, spoil the view from the pier and interfere with the tourist development plans for the resort, that the Yacht Club would be cut off from the water and loose their yacht moorings, that traffic congestion would create very difficult problems, and that long-term developments would change the whole character of the area. In deference to these objections the Minister with the agreement of the Government decided in December, 1963 that the permanent terminal would not be located at the East Pier but should be provided at St. Michael's Wharf or at a better site if one could be provided.

I could suggest one, if I may say so.

British Railways had already communicated their willingness to use the terminal at St. Michael's Wharf provided that a new 500 foot pier was constructed, and Dún Laoghaire Corporation, after a discussion with the Department of Transport and Power and the Office of Public Works, which expressed themselves as strongly of the opinion that St. Michael's Wharf was more suitable than the East Pier and that they would have no reservations in relation to it——

Did the Senator say "more suitable" or "most suitable"?

More suitable than the East Pier. That does not exactly tally with the statement made here tonight by the Senator when he suggested that Dún Laoghaire Corporation were rushed into this business, that they had not time to consider it, and that they had feared that if they would not agree to the proposal that maybe the car ferry terminal service would not be made available at all. That is not the case.

That is not what I said, with all due respect. I said that they would prefer as an alternative St. Michael's Wharf to the East Pier but were afraid that they were going to be stuck with the East Pier.

In any case, they came out in favour of St. Michael's Wharf, and, after all, the members of Dún Laoghaire Corporation are people of experience and they would not be likely to rush into a thing like that without giving it full consideration. It was recognised that terminal facilities at a site other than the East Pier could not be provided in time by 1965, and it was, accordingly, decided that a temporary terminal not involving reclamation or interference with the National Yacht Club should be provided by 1965 at an estimated cost of £100,000 of which £75,000 would not be recoverable. It was essential that such temporary facilities should be provided as otherwise British Railways would transfer the vessel to the Dover-Boulogne route.

That is very like duress, that word we used to hear before,

I am stating the facts as they are.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

It is late enough for the car ferry without duress.

The question of selecting a site for a permanent terminal was considered in conjunction with the Office of Public Works and British Railways. Representatives of the Office of Public Works and British Railways visited the hydraulic research station at Wallingford to discuss the question of hydraulic tests. The predominant feature of the west end of Dún Laoghaire harbour is that it is very exposed to swells from north and east and a protective breakwater would be necessary if the terminal were to be located at the west end. The nature and extent of the marine structures required would have to be determined by prolonged hydraulic investigation. Following a visit to Wallingford the Office of Public Works reported that a model investigation of the harbour could not be commenced before the end of 1964. A full investigation would probably take a year to complete and, allowing time for the design of the terminal, the Office of Public Works could not expect to be in a position to invite tenders before the summer of 1966. On that basis, the permanent terminal would not be ready before 1967 or 1968 at the latest. British Railways, when consulted on the matter, stated that it was highly desirable that a permanent terminal be established by 1966 and St. Michael's Wharf was in their opinion the most practical and efficient site in view of its proximity to normal passenger facilities at the mail boat pier and at Dún Laoghaire train station, and that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to improve on the proposed facilities at St. Michael's Wharf and that it was not their wish that a further investigation of alternative sites would be undertaken.

British Railways !

The Minister having considered all these circumstances—I am afraid I have not time to go into detail and I will just finish by giving a resume of the considerations that arose. The considerations that led the Minister to take the decision that he did were—(1), the decision to locate the permanent terminal at St. Michael's Wharf rather than at the most obvious and suitable site at the East Pier was taken following strong local pressure and was designed to obviate interference with local amenities; (2) the St. Michael's Wharf location is supported by the responsible local authority — Dún Laoghaire Corporation; (3) the selection of a site at the west end of the harbour would have created a number of serious problems. The west end is very exposed to swells from north and east and a site even as far east as Traders' Wharf would very probably entail the provision of marine protective works. The nature and extent of the works would have to be determined by prolonged hydraulic investigation. In addition, the west side of the harbour is relatively shallow and fairly extensive dredging would have to be carried out to deepen the approach from the entrance to the west end; (4) the west end of the harbour is completely undeveloped and a very considerable expenditure would be necessary to provide the extensive areas required for the assembly and examination of cars, customs accommodation, passenger amenities, etc.

In the case of passenger amenities, it has to be borne in mind that transport facilities, e.g. rail connections, are not available for non-car passengers travelling to and from a terminal located at the west end of the harbour. The cost of providing the necessary facilities for cars, customs, passengers and approach roads would be greatly in excess of the cost of providing similar facilities at St. Michael's Wharf; (5) the temporary terminal will cause some inconvenience and interference with the amenities hitherto enjoyed by the public at the East Pier. The Minister has accordingly given an assurance that the East Pier will be restored to its original condition as quickly as possible. The selection of a site at the west end for the permanent terminal, involving lengthy hydraulic investigations and more extensive constructional works, would prolong considerably the period of use of the East Pier.

Maybe the Senator has heard enough. I should mention in passing that this matter was raised in the Dáil today by way of two questions. I have copies of the Minister's replies but I do not propose to read them for I suppose they will appear in tomorrow's press or, if not in the press, in the Official Report. There are other reasons I could give for the decision that has been made to select St. Michael's Wharf as the terminal for the car ferry but I suppose we will have an opportunity to deal with the matter again.

I suppose we can call this a swell performance.

The Seanad adjourned at 10.5 p.m. until 3 p.m. on Wednesday, February 24th, 1965.

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