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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 9 Mar 1966

Vol. 60 No. 18

Private Business. - Patents (Amendment) Bill, 1966: Second and Subsequent Stages.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time".

The existing law relating to patents for inventions is contained in the Industrial and Commercial Property (Protection) Act, 1927, which will be replaced by the Patents Act, 1964, when that Act is brought into force by Order.

Section 55 (1) of the 1927 Act precludes protection of chemical products or substances intended for food and medicine, except when those products or substances are produced by the actual processes described in the complete specification.

It would, obviously, be very difficult for a patentee in any infringement action to prove that the alleged infringing substance was made by a particular process. There is, therefore, an important proviso to Section 55 (1) by virtue of which any substance which is of the same chemical composition as one to which a patent concerned in an infringement action relates is deemed to have been made by the patented process unless proof to the contrary is forthcoming. In other words, it is sufficient in such an action for the patentee to show that the alleged infringing substance is of the same chemical composition as that covered by his patent, and so place the onus of proving that it was made by a different process on the defendant.

The new Act, the 1964 Act, following on international trend, introduces protection of chemical products or substances intended for food or medicine and so differs from the 1927 Act which, as I said, precludes protection of the products except where they would be produced by the actual process described in the specification. In addition to this extended protection, the new Act, by means of a transitional provision enables pending applications relating to such products or substances to proceed under its provisions and have the benefit of the wider protection which it affords. Patents granted under the new Act, the 1964 Act, will not, therefore, require the protection given by the proviso to section 55 (1) of the 1927 Act and for that reason the proviso has not been continued into the 1964 Act. It was dropped.

No representations were made at the time of the enactment of the 1964 Act regarding the proviso to section 55 (1) until after the enactment of the new Act. There was nothing on record to show that at any time anybody had found it necessary to avail of the provisions of this proviso. The Pharmaceutical and Allied Industries Adaptation Association has, however, subsequent to the passing of the Act, brought to notice the apprehension of its members at the pending removal from the law of the proviso in the 1927 Act as a result of which, where a patent granted under the 1927 Act is infringed or the subject of an infringement action, the patentee may be burdened with the almost impossible task of proving that the substance concerned was made by the process which he had patented. It is probably impossible for a person so to prove. The association contends that, rather than indicating that it was not necessary, failure to avail of the proviso proved that it had acted as a deterrent and was therefore of value.

I am satisfied that the fears expressed by the Adaptation Association are well founded and that there is a danger that the removal of the presumptive clause will tend to retard or inhibit expansion prospects in the pharmaceutical industry. The amendment of the Act now proposed will continue the clause in force in relation to patents granted under the 1927 Act in the new 1964 Act when that comes into force.

I recommend the principle of the Bill for the approval of the House.

Having listened to Senator Sheldon giving a disquisition on the law relating to stamp duty and now having listened to the Minister, one begins to see the need for lawyers. What the Minister has said to me, as a lawyer, is quite difficult to follow, except that I understand the interpretation of it. Since this is something about which the affected interests, the pharmaceutical manufacturers, are concerned, and since the Bill is the result of the Minister's acceptance of their representations, I think the House should have no difficulty in accepting it.

Perhaps the Minister might indicate when it is intended that the Patents Act will come into operation? The old 1927 Act is divided now into three new pieces of legislation and it would be interesting to know when it is intended that the 1964 Patents Act will come into operation or whether, in fact, it is necessary to extend the transitional period for some little time further in order to enable the transition to be effected in a manner suitable for people interested in it.

While I am not a lawyer, I suppose fools rush in where angels fear to tread. I should like to add my voice to that of Senator O'Quigley in asking the Minister the date of the operation of the Act. It would seem probable to me, because the Act has already been delayed 18 months, there might be a tendency now to rush it when this amending legislation has been passed. Even though this provision we are dealing with now is already a deterrent, it has proved, in the past, to be effective and will, no doubt, be so in the future. For that reason, we welcome this provision in the Act and certainly do not intend to oppose it.

I would ask the Minister, who gave an assurance in the other House that the patent agents would be given sufficient notice, to be more specific and to give at least four months because, while 90 per cent of the applications here are from outside the State, it will be necessary for the Association of Patent Agents to notify their colleagues who, in turn, notify their clients. I would ask that as much notice as possible, at least four months, be given. It is only fair that that notice should be given because it takes so much time, and even with present means of communication, big business moves slowly. We know only too well they deserve to be given that amount of notice.

Frankly, I am surprised that this Bill should come before us at all. We now have a situation that we passed a Patents Bill, now an Act, in 1964, which has not yet been put into operation and even before it has been put into operation it is necessary to amend it. I think we are entitled to an explanation as to why this matter was not dealt with in the Act of 1964. Was there any consultation with those people who say they are now affected by it? Why did they not make their point of view clear at that time? Surely there was some consultation between the Department and the people concerned in the legislation going through at that time. Why is the Act still not brought into force? Presumably, when we pass legislation here, it is with the intention of applying it? I know it is often prudent and necessary to provide within the legislation that it will operate on a date fixed by the Minister so that some necessary action can be taken; in other words, that it will apply, for example, say, on 1st April rather than on 23rd February, when it was signed by the Minister. Why has the Act passed in 1964 not yet been brought into operation? Is there some good reason why it is still held off? If so, why did we pass it in 1964? What was the urgency about it at that time?

Quite frankly, I am quite puzzled about all this. There seems to be a messing about with a situation, when we passed legislation two years ago which is still not in operation and now we are asked to amend that legislation even before it is put into operation. It is terrible messing. What is this body? Is this a joint body composed of both sides of industry—pharmaceutical and allied industries? Is it a joint body? If so, why did the employers not have a responsibility in the matter way back in 1964; why did they not see the point? I am sure the Minister would, at that time, have been very willing to provide the matter in the legislation, as apparently he is now willing to do. I am not opposed to this measure, but I think it is sloppy and messy that we are asked to amend an Act which is not yet even in operation, despite the fact that we passed it two years ago.

I do not know whether I should explain for the Senator what the Adaptation Council is. I do not think it is necessary. There were consultations with the industry concerned when the 1964 Bill was going through the Oireachtas and, indeed, there were recommendations from the industry in relation to that Bill. The Adaptation Association was, I think, hardly formed at that time and if they did not make representations on this particular point, it was, perhaps, because their attention was directed at other matters which were more immediate. I do not think, however, it is to be regarded as messiness on their part. It was a responsible action of theirs to ask that this proviso, which is not new but was being dropped, should be reintroduced into the new Bill, and I recommended it to the Seanad on that basis.

I do intend that adequate notice of several weeks will be given to the people concerned before the order is made. I am disappointed that the date of commencement has not been appointed. Again, it is not a question of: "Why did you have to have that Act a couple of years ago if it is not introduced yet?" Rules have to be made and the task involved in making the rules was protracted. These were not made until December, 1965. Apart from that, there are administrative difficulties in the Patents Office in relation to trained staff and other matters but I hope that quite soon we shall be able to find a solution to these problems and name a commencement date in the near future. As I said, when it is being named, adequate notice will be given to the people concerned.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
Bill considered in Committee.
Section 1 agreed to.
SECTION 2.
Question proposed: "That section 2 stand part of the Bill".

Would the Minister give me one good reason why the Title of the Bill should be the Patents (Amendment) Bill, 1966? Why is it necessary to have "(Amendment)"? Why not the Patents Bill, 1966? Every one of the Transport Acts amended previous Acts and yet they read— Transport Act, 1963, Transport Act, 1964 and so on. I see no reason whatever for inserting "Amendment". It is a waste of time and printing to put it in. We had the Tourist Traffic Bill, amending a previous Act, but we did not call it the Tourist Traffic (Amendment) Bill. This is more of this sloppy kind of drafting. It is, of course, an amending Bill but there is no reason for the insertion of the word "Amendment".

It is a matter for the draftsmen, I am sure, but it does link it with the main Act. I do not know whether an awful lot of time would be wasted in putting the word "Amendment" into the Bill. It is a matter of drafting, really.

It is time the drafting was changed. However, I shall have more to say about that on the next matter on the Order Paper.

Question put and agreed to.
Title agreed to.
Bill reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
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