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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 12 Apr 1967

Vol. 63 No. 2

Rent Restrictions (Amendment) Bill, 1966 : Report and Final Stages.

Bill recommitted in respect of amendment No. 1.
Government amendment No. 1:
In page 2, between lines 40 and 41, to add the following subsection to section 2:
( ) The application of the Principal Act to a house shall not be excluded by reason only of section 3 (6) of that Act in a case in which, at the passing of this Act, the house is occupied for the purposes of his own residence by a person who holds it under a lease the term of which is more than twenty-one years, but if, at any time before the expiration of that term, neither he nor any other person having the lessee's interest under the lease is in occupation of the house for the purposes of his own residence, the Principal Act shall thereupon cease to apply.

As the Chair has stated, amendment No. 1 is in the nature of a recommittal amendment which did not arise on the previous stage in this House, or indeed in the other House. It is designed to deal with a matter that has come to my notice fairly recently, in fact, since the last hearing here and I think it should be remedied.

The object of the amendment is to extend the protection of the Rent Restrictions Act, 1960, to occupiers of houses holding under long leases, provided that they are occupying the houses at the passing of this Bill and continue in occupation right up to the expiration of the lease. In that event, when the lease expires they will at least have the security of tenure provided by the Rent Acts on paying a rent which, while higher than the existing rent under the lease, will nevertheless be well below the open-market rent.

The amendment remedies what seems to me to be a defect in the 1960 Act in that it did not continue protection for sitting tenants under long leases in the same way as it did for sitting tenants on shorter terms. It was one of the objects of the 1960 Act to decontrol owner-occupied houses, so that any owner-occupier could subsequently, if the need arose, let his house free of control. Many of these owner-occupiers — probably the great majority of them—would be leaseholders themselves paying rents in the nature of ground rents, and it was necessary to classify these as owners so as to enable them to let their property free of control. Otherwise very little accommodation would have been made free of control because, as I have said, most of the owner-occupied property is ground-rented.

An incidental effect of this decontrol was, however, to remove the protection of the Rent Acts from all these houses, even when they remained in owner-occupation; and when the long leases expired these tenants had no longer the security of tenure and the restricted rent provided for by these Acts. This situation did not give rise to difficulty in the years following 1960 because, presumably, the leaseholders concerned had rights of renewal under the Landlord and Tenant Acts 1931 and 1958 and, in the case of a renewal under the 1958 Act, their rights to a 99 year lease at a fraction of the letting value were far more valuable than those they would have under the rent restrictions code. Quite recently I have been informed that there are a number of leases in the Dún Laoghaire and Sandycove areas and indeed, very probably in other areas also, where the lessees have no rights of renewal at all under these Acts. Some of these leases have already expired and this amendment does not apply to them but I understand that others are due to expire in the comparatively near future.

The amendment I propose should remedy this lacuna in the code and ensure that these tenants will have protection under the Rent Restrictions Act.

Under the amendment these leaseholders, provided they remain in occupation until their leases terminate, will have the protection of the Rent Acts against eviction and arbitrary increases of rent. I think this is fair. The persons concerned have all paid substantial sums for their houses and they have a greater equity than tenants on shorter terms to such protection. The amendment might be more appropriate really to Landlord and Tenant legislation but whether it is more appropriate to that code or the present code—both codes are really related—I feel, now that this defect has been brought to my notice, that inequities have arisen and a greater number of inequities are likely to arise in the future. I think the Seanad should pass this amendment to remedy the situation.

Oftentimes there is a desire on the part of the Leader of the House, and a very proper desire, I am sure, it is, to get all Stages of a Bill, certainly the Committee and Report Stages. I think the fact that this amendment appears here today and has been recommitted illustrates the good sense of not rushing things. I hope on other occasions, when amendments may be put down from this side of the House, we will be afforded the opportunity of having them recommitted as readily as this amendment has been recommitted today.

I must say it surprises me to learn —as I am sure it must have surprised the Minister—that premises which were held on long leases did not come within the provisions of the Rent Restrictions Act of 1960. I would have thought they must have come within the provisions of that Act and, indeed, under the 1946 Act but evidently——

They did prior to 1960 but they were not continued in that position under the 1960 code; it is really only since 1960.

Even looking at the 1960 Act, subsection (1) of section 3 says:

Subject to subsection (2) of this section, this Act applies to every dwelling.

That would seem to me to have brought every dwelling within the provision of the Act. Then we exclude in subsection (2) of section 3 of the 1960 Act a variety of dwellings. I cannot say that I see anywhere in subsection (2) that the kind of dwelling held, as provided in the amendment here, was excluded in any of the paragraphs contained in subsection (2).

Perhaps I might elaborate on it further.

Please, because it is something that would be very useful to know.

If the Senator would look at section 3, subsection (2) (e) of the 1960 Act he will see it says:

This Act does not apply to——

and then paragraph (e) of that subsection reads:

a house which at the commencement of this Act is occupied by the owner thereof for the purposes of his own residence, or thereafter becomes so occupied,

Now, reading that along with section 3, subsection (6), which is the one we are dealing with in the amendment, and which says:

In paragraph (e) of subsection (2) of this section

that is relating back to what I have just read

"owner" includes a person having any estate or interest in the house except under a contract of tenancy not being for more than a term of twenty-one years.

In other words, a person who is a lessee under a lease for more than 21 years is an owner and the house he occupies is decontrolled as between himself and his landlord, who is usually the ground landlord. A person who is a lessee under a lease for more than 21 years is an owner and not a tenant; in effect, that is what is means. By virtue of that fact, an owner under that section is excluded from the provisions of the rent restrictions code. We want to remedy that situation by this amendment under which we are bringing in people holding under a lease which is for more than 21 years, deeming them to be tenants who can avail of the rent restrictions code, from which they were excluded under the 1960 Act.

Therefore, the position under this amendment will be that where a person holds under a lease of more than 21 years, when that lease expires, he will be entitled to the benefits of the protection of the Rent Acts?

Could I go the further point: what benefit will that be? Will it mean they will be entitled to apply for a long lease under the Landlord and Tenant Act?

They would be statutory tenants then.

I quite agree, but we are not giving them the right to apply for a lease under the Landlord and Tenant Act: I wonder why not?

The field into which the Senator is now moving is one which is being considered by the Landlord and Tenant Commission. It was Judge Conroy who brought this to our notice, when it emerged in the course of evidence heard by them and in the course of discussions with the Commission. He felt this would be a way of remedying an injustice where already these renewal leases are expiring and where people have already suffered inequities. More of those leases are falling in and a greater number of people will come into this category of having no statutory protection. I think at least in this Bill we might give them this minimum protection, while the Conroy Commission examine what greater rights they might be given in future landlord and tenant legislation.

That being so, I take it the position for the time being is remedied and that, thereafter, if statutory tenancies are sought to be terminated, they will then fall into the same category—or will they?—as a person to whom section 13 of the Bill applies; they will be entitled then, upon the termination of the statutory tenancy, to apply for a lease under the Landlord and Tenant Act of 1931?

They are ordinary Rent Act cases and the amendment will give them the ordinary protection of the Rent Act code. This must be viewed purely as a stop-gap measure. I hope to have the report of the Conroy Commission in the near future and to have reviewed the whole question of landlord and tenant law going back through the statutes to the Deasy Act. It is to protect those people who are being prejudiced and who would be left outside the Landlord and Tenant code and the rent code that I propose this amendment to deal with the matter purely as a matter of urgency.

I am glad the Minister has seen this. If cases of hardship do arise and if landlords proceed to terminate statutory tenancies, if there is any sizeable number of cases in which that happens, the Minister might well consider amending this Act.

Such a tenant cannot be evicted. He has the protection of the code. The statutory tenancies can be terminated but the tenants cannot be put out.

Section 29 would then come into operation and the tenants would be open to all the insecurity that section 29 provides. That is my fear.

I can assure the Senator that I am very sympathetic. This is a stop-gap measure to ensure there is some protection, pending the introduction of a more positive remedial measure.

I fully appreciate the Minister's view and want to say merely that this is a worthwhile improvement in the Bill. I hope the Commission will report quickly and that thereafter the Minister will turn the Commission's recommendation—if the Minister is still there at the time— into legislative form. Of course, I should have said that the Minister for Justice will do it.

I am very happy at my work, thanks be to God.

You might need a rest.

Amendment agreed to.
Amendment reported and agreed to.
Government amendment No. 2:
In page 11, lines 52 and 53, and in page 12, line 7, to delete "expiring on any gale day" and substitute "(expiring on any day specified in that behalf in the notice)" in each case.

In this amendment I am meeting a suggestion made by Senator O'Quigley that we should drop the reference to "gale day" in paragraphs (iv) and (v) of subsection (3) of section 13. There was a lot of merit in what the Senator said about putting it into modern form.

I am grateful to the Minister for having accepted the substance of the amendment I suggested and I hope this effort at modernising our landlord and tenant law will not give rise to many difficulties later on in the courts. It seems to be perfectly clear what we need to say in the subsection now.

Amendment agreed to.
Government amendment No. 3:
In page 12, between lines 53 and 54, to add the following subsection to section 13:
"( ) (a) the application by virtue of subsection (3) of this section of the Landlord and Tenant Act, 1931, to a dwelling shall cease upon the landlord's coming into possession of the dwelling.
(b) In the foregoing paragraph ‘possession' means actual possession, and a landlord shall not be deemed to have come into possession by reason only of a change of tenancy made with his consent."

I am introducing this amendment to meet the point made by Senator O'Kennedy on Committee Stage.

The object of this section is to give tenants who are decontrolled under section 2 of this Bill an automatic right to a new tenancy under the Landlord and Tenant Act, 1931, whether or not they have been sufficiently long in occupation to qualify for such a new tenancy. It is not the intention, however, that these automatic rights to a new tenancy should extend to persons other than those who become decontrolled under this Bill. Such people should not have any particular advantage in this respect over other tenants. For example, a decontrolled tenant might after some time, possibly some years, surrender the new lease he had obtained by virtue of this section and the landlord might then make a weekly letting to a new tenant. If this amendment were not made, that new tenant might straight away have a claim for a new tenancy without having been in occupation for the prescribed periods necessary in the case of business and residential tenants.

This amendment ensures that such an anomaly cannot arise.

Amendment agreed to.
Bill, as amended, received for final consideration and passed.
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