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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 14 Nov 1973

Vol. 76 No. 1

Private Business. - Holidays (Employees) Bill, 1973: Second and Subsequent Stages.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The main purpose of this Bill is to increase from two weeks to three the workers' minimum annual holidays entitlement with pro rata entitlements for periods of employment of less than a year. In other words, the Bill is a synthesis of the practices followed in good employment. Provisions in the Bill also deal with holiday cesser pay and with public holiday entitlements on a basis broadly similar to the 1961 Act.

The provisions in the Bill do not apply to agricultural workers. They are covered by separate legislation administered by the Agricultural Wages Board. You will be aware that the Government have already announced that the legislation which determines the wages and holidays of agricultural workers is under review in consultation with the interests concerned. I have taken power in the Bill, with appropriate ancillary and supplemental provisions, to bring agricultural workers within its scope by affirmative order of the Oireachtas if it should be considered appropriate to do so.

Since the existing minimum statutory holiday entitlements of two weeks' leave and six public holidays were prescribed in the Holidays (Employees) Act, 1961, the majority of workers have, through the collective bargaining system, secured an additional week's holidays. The general position now is that the three weeks minimum holiday obtains in good employments throughout Irish industry. This Bill will, however, assist those workers who cannot invoke the aid of a trade union and who are deprived of holiday entitlements by virtue of their weak bargaining position. Apart from increasing holiday entitlements, the Bill has a number of other features which are an improvement on the 1961 Act. It prescribes a standard "leave year" beginning on 1st April each year, which will apply to all workers. This replaces the provision in the 1961 Act whereby leave entitlements were related to a worker's "employment year" based on the date on which he took up employment and anniversaries of that date. Thus, employees in the same firm could have different "employment years" depending on the date on which they started work.

This Bill, if enacted, will simplify matters inasmuch as leave entitlements for all employees would be calculated in future by reference to the same "leave year" from 1st April to 31st March. The qualifying conditions for entitlement to annual leave have also been eased. Under the 1961 Act, an industrial worker had to complete 1,600 hours during his "employment year" in order to qualify for the two weeks' annual leave. There was no provision for proportionate leave entitlement for an employee working less than 1,600 hours except where he ceased employment.

Under this Bill an employee will be entitled to paid leave in a leave year in which he has completed at least one "qualifying month of service", comprising a calendar month in which he works at least 120 hours, or 110 hours if under 18 years of age. The prescribed minimum of 120 hours makes allowance for the general reduction which has taken place in the normal working week since 1961 and for possible absences due to sickness, short-time working and other causes. For 12 qualifying months of service the worker is entitled to three weeks' leave, and he gets proportionately less for 11 or fewer qualifying months. If he has eight or more qualifying months of service, he is entitled to an unbroken holiday-period of two weeks.

Alternatively, where a worker might not qualify for full holiday entitlements on the monthly basis because he had not worked at least 120 hours in every month, he can elect to have his entitlement calculated by reference to the number of hours worked on an annual basis. If he works 1,400 hours in a year for the same employer, which could include up to 480 hours wet-time, he can qualify for full holiday entitlement. Casual and short-term workers could also qualify for holidays on either the monthly or annual qualifying criteria.

There is provision for excluding from an employee's annual leave period a day on which he is sick, provided he furnishes a medical certificate. There was no corresponding provision in the 1961 Act. The Bill also removes the distinction between the qualifying conditions for leave purposes as between "domestic" and "non-domestic" workers which existed under the 1961 Act. It was one of the anomalies of earlier legislation on holidays that one of the most exploited sections of our workforce, domestic workers, had this underprivileged position enshrined in the law. This has now been corrected.

Provisions in the Bill about public holiday entitlements and for compensation, where workers opt, or are obliged, to work on public holidays are somewhat similar to those in the 1961 Act. However, a full-time employee automatically qualifies for public holiday entitlements if he is in employment at that time; he does not have to work for a specified minimum number of hours beforehand. This is an improvement compared with the 1961 Act.

The provision about leave arrangements permits an employer to decide when annual leave may be granted but only on certain conditions. These include consulting with the employee or his trade union at least one month beforehand and allowing the leave to he taken within the relevant "leave year" or within six months after it ends. Thus, for the leave year starting 1st April, 1974, holidays may be allowed in the 18 months between that date and 30th September, 1975. Flexibility of this kind is designed to benefit both the employer and/or the employee.

Sections 7, 8 and 9 of the Bill contain the usual provisions relating to prosecutions of offences and the recovery of moneys due to an employee. The provisions in section 10 and section 11 about the keeping of records and the enforcement powers of inspectors are similar to those in the 1961 Act. However, the provision about records has been made more precise to facilitate inspectors in checking compliance with the provisions of the Bill. A specific requirement has been placed on employers to keep records on annual leave for examination by inspectors.

In order to ensure that this legislation, as an instrument of social reform, retains a capacity to be adjusted in accordance with desirable social trends, I have taken powers under section 13 to modify provisions in the Act by regulations. There is also provision about consultation with the appropriate workers' and employers' organisations. There is also a requirement that drafts of regulations, for the purposes of section 2, must be laid before each House of the Oireachtas with a view to securing their approval by means of affirmative order. In this way, it will not be necessary to introduce amending legislation on each occasion when a major change is being made in relation to the "excluded categories" while ensuring at the same time that the Oireachtas retains full control over such changes.

Section 16 provides that, if the Bill is enacted, annual leave or public holiday entitlements shall no longer arise under the 1961 Act. That section contains transitional bridging provisions, however, whereby workers will be able to preserve title to any holiday entitlements acquired under the 1961 Act while, at the same time, they would be building up entitlements under this Bill, if enacted. In order to avoid very complex provisions which would be only of a temporary nature, a special formula was designed which would afford a worker a choice of two options when the proposed Bill comes into force. First, he can claim the statutory compensation in lieu of holiday entitlements, whether in respect of annual leave or public holidays, due to him under the 1961 Act in the same way as if his employment ceased on the day before the new Act comes into force. If he accepts the cesser pay involved, further holiday entitlements will accrue only under the new Act. Alternatively, with the agreement of both parties, he may carry over leave due to him under the 1961 Act into the new "leave year" as introduced in this legislation. This arrangement was included in order to give effect to my wish that no worker should suffer loss of benefit to which he would otherwise be entitled under the 1961 Act simply as a result of the new Bill being enacted.

As regards section 17 and the Schedule to the Bill, I should explain that following consultation with the Minister for Finance, it was decided that, in future, I should be responsible for administering legislation about public holidays. Under existing legislation, there are six "public holidays" to which the Bill applies. I have taken powers, however, to appoint, by regulations, new public holidays or to change an existing public holiday to a different day. I have also taken this opportunity to formally substitute the first Monday in June as a public holiday instead of Whit Monday. This will obviate the need to make an annual order changing it which was necessary under the present legislation. Similar flexible arrangements have been made in the case of Church holidays. I feel that flexible measures of this kind are desirable to avoid unnecessarily cumbersome legislative procedures.

I should like to say a word here about public holidays in general. The position is that up to recently, both Britain and Ireland, with six public holidays each, had the fewest public holidays of all EEC countries. Britain will now have seven as from 1st January next when New Year's Day will be added. As of now Italy has 17, Germany ten to 13, depending on the region, Belgium and Luxembourg ten, Denmark nine to ten, France five to ten and the Netherlands seven. These variations relate to regions. Clearly working people in Ireland will have to be brought closer to the European norm as regards public holiday entitlements. Naturally, from a position where we are lowest in the table this will require a phased approach in consultation with both sides in industry. The Government have decided in principle that the number of public holidays should be increased to seven. I am having consultations about the most appropriate choice of date for this extra public holiday and I will make an announcement as soon as these consultations have been completed.

This holidays legislation is the product of a great deal of consultation with both employers and trade unions. Its provisions are designed to provide that workers in a weak bargaining position, who cannot invoke the aid of a trade union, enjoy holiday entitlements which remain in line with those currently prevailing in good employment.

Looking at the Bill as a whole, the House will, I think, agree that its provisions represent a further legislative advance in the conditions of employment of a large number of Irish workers, an advance peacefully conceded. It is a very simple and straightforward piece of legislation which, at the same time, will afford flexibility for modifications in appropriate cases.

I am naturally anxious to have the Bill enacted well in advance of the beginning of the new "leave year" on the 1st April, 1974, to afford both workers and employers ample time to familiarise themselves with its provisions, and to enable them to make the necessary arrangements about leave entitlements on the new basis. For thesse reasons, I commend the Bill to the House and look forward to the speedy passage of all its stages.

We on this side of the House welcome the Bill. We are very glad indeed to see any type of legislation introduced which is designed to help those people in our society who are unable to help themselves. As the Minister has rightly said, there are many people employed in this country who are not members of trade unions and because of that are not in a good bargaining position to assert their rights.

I fully appreciate that membership of a trade union is of great advantage to a worker and is something I would recommend very strongly, having been a trade unionist all my life. I also appreciate that there are others who, for various reasons, are unable to partake of the advantages of union membership. Having said that, I do not want to give the impression that employers are monsters who victimise workers. Most employers in this country are fair-minded people. Over the years they have treated their workers fairly well.

In the 1961 Act many provisions were made which gave a legal aspect to the entitlement of the workers. As the Minister has rightly said, this Bill is an improvement on that situation. For that reason we welcome the Bill. We are all conscious of the part the workers play in the life of a nation. The man who is physically fit and who is prepared to work is the backbone of the nation because he carries the sick, the aged and the infirm and all those other people in our society for whom we should have concern.

The wealth of the nation depends on the workers. It is important that legislation in their favour should be introduced and passed. Workers who are discontented and who are treated as second-class citizens will not give of their best. Any type of legislation that ensures that the workers' rights and well-being are protected is to be welcomed and will result in the workers giving a good account of their stewardship. If workers are not content in their employment, it is the duty of management and workers to get together to improve matters. This is being done nowadays. I am glad to see this change. It is a very welcome change. Management realise now how important the worker is and the worker himself is beginning to realise how important management is because without industrialists and investors there would be no jobs available.

As the Minister said, there are a few categories of workers in this country who are not able to avail of this legislation to protect their rights This Bill is designed to cover these people. It is also necessary, from a health point of view, that workers receive proper holidays. A worker will give much more of his talents if he knows that he will be entitled to a proper annual holiday. As the Minister has said, most workers now enjoy three weeks' holidays. This Bill will bring the other section up to the same figure. It is good to observe in the Bill that people will not be allowed to take money in lieu of their holidays. Holidays are given as a means of relaxation to ensure that the worker will return to his work in better health and with a better outlook to undertake his task for another 12 months. In that way we will get better production from the worker and he will be more happy and contented in his employment.

The Minister also mentioned the matter of public holidays. I notice that we are at the bottom of the list so far as the figures for the EEC countries are concerned. We do not like to see ourselves at the bottom of the list in that respect. The Minister has promised to introduce another public holiday. I believe that under this part of the Bill the Minister will be able to fix this holiday for some particular date. Together with other people, I think it would be for the benefit of all if that holiday was placed at a weekend. Perhaps the thinking nowadays on church holidays has changed. Those in charge of church holidays might also fall into line and eventually we might have most church holidays on a Monday or on a Friday.

With regard to people who have died and who would have holidays due to them. especially the breadwinners of families, is there any chance that the dependants of those people would be paid in cash for the holidays that were due? It is a small point but it can be a very important one to a worker's family.

Many of our students attend school nowadays until they reach 15 years and under the new Education Act they can attend school for much longer. During the summer months they have fairly long holidays. Will they benefit in any way from this new Bill? It is only right that we should provide employment on a part-time basis for students. That has been the practice in America for many years. Many students there find employment during their holidays. By doing so they help to finance themselves during their college days. It is good for the young to be encouraged to fend for themselves and to provide some of their own money to finance their studies and relieve the financial burden on the family.

I welcome the Bill and have pleasure in accepting it.

I rise to welcome the Bill. However, I would ask the Minister to introduce a new provision, if I am not satisfied with the explanation I get in relation to a point I wish to put now. I work in the dairy industry. There is a regulation in this Bill which introduces two consecutive weeks' holidays for workers. The dairy industry deals with perishable products. Our workers work continuously from the middle of March until the end of October. The present system in the dairy industry is that we allow for public holidays and church holidays instead of two consecutive weeks' holidays. It allows for two weeks' holidays, not continuously, and 12 other holidays which include public holidays and church holidays. We are very dependent on the dairy industry. We must make allowances for the fact that it deals with perishable products at the height of the summer season. Unlike other industries we cannot close down even for one day because it would be detrimental to farmers and workers alike. I would ask the Minister to look at the problem in that light. The holiday system in the dairy industry has been introduced in consultation with the unions. It was introduced on 1st July last. This Bill, in my opinion, changes that arrangement.

I know the Minister may say that workers in the dairy industry can get two consecutive weeks' holidays in the winter time, but I do not think that arrangement would be fair to the workers. I do not believe they would accept that arrangement; but, if they do accept it, they would get two weeks in the winter time, one week in the summer time and also the 12 public and church holidays which they are allowed already. This would leave the people in charge of the dairy industry in a dilemma and would make them completely uncompetitive with other industries.

The Bill gives 1st April as the start of the "leave year". I recommend that this be changed to 1st March or 1st January. The country depends on this industry. Our exports amount to £30 million or £40 million. If there is a breakdown the whole industry is affected.

This is a serious problem for us. When the Bill was introduced we had consultations. I have no objection to any worker getting three weeks' holidays where possible, but if the type of scheme we have is introduced, where there is a day off now and again, there will be less absenteeism. When there are long periods of work without a break, as in the dairy industry, it is natural to have absenteeism. The system of an odd day off now and again helps in reducing absenteeism. which is a serious problem in ail industries.

If we must introduce the scheme as set out in the Bill we will be severely hampered in our methods of processing milk into cheese, powder, butter, chocolate crumb, et cetera. The Minister realises that from April until the end of September milk is at its peak. We cannot take in today's milk and add tomorrow's milk to it, and then the next day's milk. Milk must be processed on the day it is taken in. I appeal to the Minister to look at this problem and see what can be done to change the Bill if there is a need to do so.

I, too, should like to welcome the Bill. I am particularly pleased to see the domestic workers included in this, as they have been exploited for many years. There are other aspects of the Bill which are very welcome, too. Section 3 (6) states:

Where board, lodging or board and lodging is part of remuneration, the employee may, subject to being given double pay, elect not to take annual leave.

It is desirable, as stated by Senator Dolan, to ensure that workers get proper rest. Does this section mean double pay plus the normal day's pay or just a day's pay plus the normal day's pay, which is rather cheap and would be an easy way out for employers to get people to work during their holidays?

Section 4 (1) (iv) states "An extra day's pay". Here the same question arises. In this day and age in most good employment there is usually a double day's pay added on to the normal day's pay.

Apart from that, I welcome the Bill.

Senator Dolan, when referring to the date for the new public holiday, suggested that it should be at a weekend. I agree with this. I have my own preferences for a Monday sometime in the autumn. There is a long stretch between the summer holidays and the Christmas period and this would be the best time to spread the calm, beneficial holiday atmosphere during a period which is traditionally associated with industrial strife—at least some people consider there might be a connection between holidays and industrial strife. However, we have made no decision as yet and are having consultations with the interests involved.

Senator Dolan also mentioned the death of an employee. This is covered in section 5 (4). Any entitlements are brought over.

Senator Butler raised the question of flexibility. This is catered for under section 13 (2). While agricultural workers are not covered, I take it that Senator Butler is referring to workers in the industrial dairying industry. Section 13 (2) gives power to vary the holidays.

The 1st April was chosen because it suited a wide range of industries. We had to decide on what would be a typical leave year. Where there are difficulties we have made bridging provision to cover transitional arrangements between the 1961 legislation and the new legislation.

Senator Dolan referred to students. The smallest unit in legislation is based on 120 hours over a month. Previously 160 hours was laid down.

Senator Kerrigan raised a question which I feel sure is covered and I will refer to it as we come to it.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

It is a point to be raised on Committee.

This legislation is non-controversial in the best sense of the word. It provides for certain advantages which had been granted to people generally in industry. It is the product of a great deal of consultation with employers and unions.

Agreed to take remaining Stages today.

Bill put through Committee, reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.

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