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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 7 Dec 1978

Vol. 90 No. 7

Value-Added Tax (Amendment) Bill, 1977 [Certified Money Bill]: Second Stage.

Question proposed "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The Bill now before the House has two objectives which I will outline briefly before giving the background to them. The main objective is to make the necessary changes in our VAT law in order to bring that law into harmony with the Sixth VAT Directive which was adopted by the Council of Ministers of the European Communities on 17 May 1977. This was the sole objective of the Bill as initiated in Dáil Éireann last year.

Since then, the Bill has been amended by Dáil Éireann to meet a further objective, namely, the implementation of the two VAT proposals in the 1978 budget. These two proposals were an increase of about 50 per cent in the turnover thresholds above which traders must register for VAT, and the restoration of the 1 per cent VAT recoupment to VAT-registered customers of unregistered farmers. In the first case, it was necessary only to make appropriate amendments to section 6 of the Bill. In the second case, however, implementation required the addition of four new sections to the Bill as initiated. These new sections are sections 11, 17, 18 and 22 of the Bill now before the House.

I might conclude the brief outline of the purpose of the Bill by referring to the remaining two new sections which were inserted in the Bill by Dáil Éireann. These are sections 20 and 31 of the present text of the Bill and both are essentially technical provisions. Section 20 adjusted the time limits for VAT assessments, and so on, following the death of a taxable person, to take account of the introduction of capital acquisitions tax and the lodgment of documents for the purpose of that tax. The 1978 Finance Act made a similar change for income tax assessments and so on. Section 31 is designed to ensure that, despite the nature and extent of the amendments to our existing VAT law being made by the Bill, there will no breach in the continuity of VAT.

I will now proceed to some background information. It is now more than a decade since the Commission of the European Communities initiated moves towards the harmonisation of VAT systems in member states, as part of a general programme designed to end tax barriers between member states. Ever since the Commission has been concerned, in increasing detail, with securing greater uniformity in the scope and base of application of VAT. It has also the intention that, ultimately, differences in VAT rates between member states would be harmonised. With such a complex tax as VAT, clearly, full harmonisation must necessarily be a very lengthy process. This has been borne out by events.

The broad structure and general principles of the common EEC VAT system were set down by the First and Second VAT Directives which were adopted by the Council in April 1967. Those directives have applied to Ireland since 1 January 1974 and our existing law reflects them.

Further impetus to EEC VAT harmmonisation was given by the Council Decision of 21 April 1970 which stipulated that an integral element of the "own resources" basis of the Community's budget should be the yield from a charge, of not more than 1 per cent, on the VAT basis of assessment in each member state determined in a uniform manner according to Community rules.

The Sixth VAT Directive which was adopted in 1977, goes a long way to providing those common VAT rules. Member states which implement that directive will pay over to the Communities, out of their national tax revenues, VAT "own resources" thus calculated on the uniform VAT assessment basis, in lieu of financial contributions based on relative shares of the EEC gross national product. Member states do not have to levy a special VAT for "own resources" purposes and no increase in the national VAT rates is thereby called for.

Given the very wide scope of the directive, immediate and full harmonisation of the basis of assessment for VAT would give rise to severe practical and political problems for member states. Without some give and take on all sides, the directive could not have been adopted. While Council adoption of the directive signified member state's agreement to eventually adopting the harmonised VAT base set out in the directive, the directive specifically provided for transitional periods of at least five years for alignment by member states in particular areas, notably in the case of VAT zero rates and certain VAT exemptions.

The Bill provides for some new zero-ratings required by the Sixth Directive. I might also mention that until tax barriers are removed within the Community, each member state can retain in force the zero ratings which it had in force on 31 December 1975 and which fulfil specified conditions, These zero-ratings will be reviewed every five years. The first such review will not arise until 1982. A unanimous Council decision would be required before Ireland would be obliged to end its VAT zero-ratings for food, personal clothing and footwear, electricity and so on. Zero-rated turnover is of course part of the harmonised VAT basis of assessment for calculation of the "own resources" VAT element and member states will be paying over to the Communities the appropriate calculated sum in respect of zero-rated and other turnover.

A unanimous Council decision would also be required before Ireland would be obliged to end its VAT exemption for telecommunication services supplied by the public postal services; the services of solicitors, barristers, accountants and actuaries; the services of travel agents; the services supplied by undertakers; the supply of greyhounds and horses; passenger transport within the State; and admissions to sporting events. These exemptions benefit from an initial derogation of five years and also fall for review in 1982. Since VAT taxation, and not VAT exemption, is the agreed ultimate Community aim in these cases member states continuing to exempt those activities during whatever transitional period is decided must make appropriate compensation to the Communities "own resources".

The overall approach to implementation of the directive, as provided for in the Bill now before the House, is to keep the necessary changes to the minimum. Every effort has been made to avail of provisions of the directive which would allow favourable arrangements to those traders whose activities have to be brought within Irish VAT for the first time. The substantial increase in all VAT registration thresholds which is also being made at the same time will reduce somewhat the impact of the required EEC changes. This approach seems to have been duly recognised by traders affected.

I now turn to the changes required in the context of the Sixth Directive.

Senators will note that much of the Bill is taken up with a revision of terminology and phraseology in our existing VAT law in order to comply with the directive.

As regards matters of substance, the principal change is the termination of some Irish VAT exemptions because these are not permitted by the directive, even for a transitional period. As I said, the directive, is the product of compromise. Accordingly, the present VAT exemption must end for the following, to name the main areas affected: certain services of auctioneers and house agents; non-academic teaching such as driving schools; valuation services of chartered surveyors; certain agency services but excluding agency services in relation to banking, insurance and finance which will continue to be VAT exempt; admissions to certain shows, fairs and exhibitions, but excluding, for example, annual agricultural shows run by non-profit making bodies. The traders who are engaged in those activities which now become VAT taxable will be entitled to claim, from the Revenue, the general credit for input VAT—borne on business purchases—which at present they have to bear, without recovery from the Revenue.

Another change required by the directive is the replacement of our present two-tier VAT rates for cars, motorcycles, radios, TV sets, gramophones and records. The two-tier arrangement involves a "trapped" VAT of 25 per cent or 30 per cent respectively at the manufacturer/import level only and 10 per cent VAT at all stages of distribution. EEC VAT law only allows for a straight VAT rate applicable at all stages of distribution. In future, therefore, only a single 10 per cent VAT rate will apply at all stages of distribution. The VAT revenue thus foregone will be made good by appropriate changes in excise duties. Consideration is being given at present in consultation with trade interests to the details of the new excises required. It will be appreciated, of course, that any question of changes in the overall level of taxation on the goods in question would be a matter for consideration in the budgetary context.

A third change required by the directive is the formal charging of VAT on imports. This will have two important results. First, it will mean that in future the same penalties as apply to false declarations in relation to sales and VAT due to Revenue will apply to false declarations in regard to imports. Second, it will permit the collection of VAT at importation from certain persons. The directive permits deferment of accounting for the VAT on imports for their business by VAT-registered persons until those persons make the VAT return for the period in which the importation took place. Such deferment will be allowed only to persons who are trading in the State from a fixed place of business. It is intended that such persons would lose their right to deferment if they fail to account for VAT satisfactorily. Thus, all mobile traders coming into the State with goods will be required to pay VAT on those goods at the point of importation and, on making their next VAT return in relation to sales within the State, would be allowed a credit for the VAT paid at the point of importation.

There are some other minor changes required by the Sixth Directive which I propose to mention on Committee Stage.

The Sixth VAT Directive requires a new definition of "farmers" for Irish VAT purposes but does not affect the right of farmers, as so defined, to remain outside the VAT system should they so wish. Most farmers in fact have stayed outside the VAT system. Broadly the new definition will only exclude persons who are not engaged fulltime in farming as generally understood, involving occupation of land and ownership of livestock and so on.

The directive allows member states to have special arrangements to compensate those farmers who do not opt into the VAT system for VAT borne by them on purchases of farming inputs. VAT-registered customers can obtain a special flat-rate VAT credit in respect of their purchases from unregistered farmers. As I have already mentioned, section 11 of the Bill and related sections restore the 1 per cent flat-rate VAT credit which obtained here until 1976. The bringing of marts into the VAT system at the same time as the 1 per cent flat rate credit is being restored will involve the marts in the preparation and handling of documentation showing the 1 per cent addition. This should help to ensure that the benefit will reach the farmers for whom it is intended.

The Bill on enactment will come into operation on a date to be specified by order by the Minister for Finance, except for section 29, which will come into effect on enactment of the Bill in order to allow the Government to make at the appropriate time the necessary excises order under the Imposition of Duties Act.

As Senators will appreciate, this is a rather technical Bill. I have tried to make clear the broad purposes involved without going into too much technical detail. Having regard to the need to change our VAT law to meet EEC obligations and to fulfil the VAT changes announced in the 1978 Budget in regard to farmers and small traders, I commend the Bill to the House.

I shall be brief. As the Minister pointed out in the last words of his speech, this is a very technical Bill. I should like to compliment the Minister on the very useful background given in his script. This Bill can be seen only in the light of the Sixth Directive and development within the Community of harmonisation on many things and, in this instance, in relation to value-added tax. The Minister has said the purpose of the Bill is to fulfil our obligations under the Sixth Directive, that directive having the objective of bringing about greater harmony in relation to value-added tax.

I think everyone would agree that the Bill, which is extremely technical, can be dealt with only on Committee Stage. It provides for, basically, a uniform method of assessment throughout the EEC countries. It provides for common definitions of taxable persons, transactions and the like. It provides also for the admission of new persons, new businesses and business transactions into the area of liability to value-added tax. It provides for the continued, albeit temporary continued exemption for some other people and groups.

The directive also serves the purpose of enabling the Community's budget to be financed by what is described as the "own resources" rather than the individual financial contributions made by member states as is at present the case.

The Bill must go a long way towards bringing about harmony in method of assessment of value-added tax in the Community. It is an important aspect of Community development, for those people who believe in the whole concept of Europe, that there would be harmony in relation to taxation. Something that always strikes me when we talk about a subject like value-added tax is that value-added tax was not designed by Irishmen for the Irish situation. A lot of people would agree that it is a type of taxation system alien to the Irish nature, for better or for worse. It is a fair and sensible system so far as it is a broadly-based tax on consumer expenditure on goods and services. It is a tax described in taxation circles as a neutral tax in that it is widely spread and does not affect competitors either within a member state or internationally where the rate of VAT charged on imports for any goods is the same as the rate of VAT charged within the country for the home-produced goods of a similar type. It is a fair system. It encourages and helps free trade and ensures that there is not any discrimination as far as competition is concerned between member states. The outstanding disadvantage of the system is that it requires a lot of administration from the revenue point of view and requires a great amount of book-keeping and analysis from the business person's point of view.

I compliment the Minister for Finance on the increase he made in the turnover before one's liability to be registered for VAT arises. Even still, the present threshold is a low threshold in relation to certain businesses. There are very many small businessses around the country which because of their nature have a fairly high turnover with perhaps a small profit element. Agricultural contractors, for example, will become liable to be registered for value-added tax under this measure. They are people who have not, as I have said, a proper administrative side to their business. Their turnover is high because of the machinery involved and because of the nature of their business. Their profits are frequently low. It is important to remember always when bringing people into the tax net that one should be as reasonable and as human, if I can use the expression, as one can. Somebody like the agricultural contractor, who will come into this system for the first time, will be very badly hit by this. I know there are very many small shopkeepers around the country who have previously come within the value-added tax net and who have been scared to death because they had not been in a position to maintain the bookkeeping system that they should to have to make proper returns for value-added tax purposes. It is a very important feature of the system and it is something over which because we are members of the EEC, we do not have full control.

It is obvious that a system like this would better suit bigger or more industrialised countries than ours. It is also a fact that it is part of the deal that we have to live with being in the EEC. I do not know what the answer is or where the answer would lie but more consideration should be given to the anguish and difficulty caused people who are relatively small in business but who are brought into the tax net under this type of legislation.

The directive also serves the purpose of enabling the European Economic Community to have its own autonomous resources so far as its budget is concerned. That is something to be welcomed. Obviously, if one believes in some form of a united Europe it is something that is to be welcomed. The point has been made in the past in relation to this that there is a question of accountability in relation to Community funds. When we talk about the Community here so far as disposal of funds is concerned, or allocation of resources, that they are going to spend what money they have, we are talking basically about the Council itself. If, for example, in Ireland we go to spend some of our tax revenue or our central funds on one thing or another it is the Oireachtas, in the final analysis, who decide whether that money should be spent; given that they are a Government with a 20-seat majority in the House, it is still the Oireachtas. The Oireachtas must consider and must discuss it and know exactly what is going on. In this instance, and over the next few years, we are going to be providing 1 per cent of the VAT collected in this country to the European Community. The Council of Ministers will decide how that money is to be spent. It has constantly been argued since the whole idea of "own resources" came up some years ago that there ought to be—while we were developing the concept of "own resources"—a development in line with that giving greater powers to the European Parliament in relation to the budget. We all know that the European Parliament's powers in relation to the budget at present are quite insignificant. They have powers in relation to about 4 per cent of the overall budget.

It is a great pity—with the European elections in the offing and with this development taking place under the Sixth Directive—that this opportunity was not used to give the European Parliament greater power so that, at least, the European Parliament could discuss where that money was going to go—the 1 per cent coming from Ireland. We do not know how that money is going to be spent. God knows, after the happenings of the past few days in Brussels, we know the difficulties and confusion that can be caused by meetings like that, whether they be Summit Meetings of the leaders of the Nine or Council of Ministers meetings. It is of great importance if we are to keep a level of reality in the eyes of the public so far as the European Community is concerned, if it is to be a part of their lives that they have a regard for, that it is seen that what money they get through an independent source like this is under the watchful eye of some assembly. It cannot be the National Assembly, so it should be the European Parliament. It is an appropriate time for this development to take place. I am sorry it has not taken place.

In making these comments I am very much aware of the fact that there is very little our Minister can do about this. As he said himself, this is a matter of compromise. It is a matter of the Nine Ministers meeting together. It took them four years to come up with a final agreement on the Sixth Directive. This development is going on a long time. I am very conscious of the fact that there is nothing our Minister can do except to push his argument, as it were, when he is at Council level. It comes back to the whole problem of our involvement in a Community in which we are but one small country, a country which God knows—again after the past few weeks—seems to have little enough influence when it comes down to money and when the big powers are concerned about their future, which I suppose is fair enough. The only way out is to ensure that an institution like the European Parliament can have a voice. It is more likely when discussions are opened up rather than discussions taking place behind closed doors, when an Irish Minister can make his points of view very strongly. Of course they can be rejected and afterwards the public are not aware of precisely what went on. Even though we may only be a minority if we had the power in the European Parliament we would be more likely to win the support of the peoples of Europe, as opposed to trying to win the support of nationally-interested members at the level of Council of Ministers.

This is a technical Bill, one better left to Committee Stage. Indeed, it would be better left to people who are competent in this area of taxation, which is a highly technical one.

I should like to ask the Minister a question as a matter of curiosity. I understand in relation to those people who are exempted, that where in our Bill we exclude certain people we will have a liability to compensate the common European fund, so to speak, for those exemptions. I wonder whether the Minister could indicate how the level of compensation could be made up. For example, if we leave out the services of accountants, how can we value the loss of revenue through value-added tax that is not being imposed? Will the Community itself arrive at a figure and say: "You have excluded accountants' and solicitors' services from this; you owe us X hundreds of thousands of £s", or is it that the State will try to measure it in some way? I cannot see how it could be measured, and I wonder if the Minister has any ideas on the subject.

This is a very technical Bill in relation to the putting into effect of the Sixth Directive. Therefore, there is not a whole lot to be said about it. One of the changes incorporated in the Bill is the reappearance of the 1 per cent to farmers on their sales. Whereas, when it was brought in originally it was said that farmers were not getting the benefit of it, now that the marts are involved and the onus is on them, farmers should benefit from this 1 per cent and the 1 per cent increase on the value of the sale of their goods in future.

There are other changes also, such as the 10 per cent on radios, on each transaction, and the substitution of excise on that to make up the difference. There is also the difference of tax on importation where there was no tax before. Senator Molony was worried about the small trader, but the small trader can still pay tax on cash turnover which to a certain extent is simpler. There is an arrangement for the transfer of goods and tax payable from a trader who is registered to pay on sale to the person who is doing it on cash turnover. Originally, prior to the introduction of turnover tax was brought a great many leaflets and instructions were issued so that people were aware of it. Again, when we transferred to value-added tax there was a great deal of information given out so that people understood it. In some of the changes I can see cases where people will not see how it should be operated and, therefore, I would ask the Minister if he could arrange before the order is made for the Revenue Commissioners to do the best they can to inform people who have to cope with it.

I have read the reports on the Special Committee and other reports on this Bill. There seems to be quite an amount of confusion and misunderstanding of how the administration of the whole VAT system works and I would appeal to the Minister to produce a simple booklet for the man in the street to enable him to understand in due course what it is all about.

As the Minister said, it was in May, 1977, 19 months ago, that the European Council adopted the Sixth Directive on a Community-wide basis for a common system of value-added tax, for a uniform basis of assessment and for a common method of operating. This directive was to come into operation on 1 January this year and the legislation needed to implement it is only being debated in the Seanad now. Although technical, it is probably one of the most important Bills which the Council of Ministers have agreed from the point of view not only of the Irish consumer but of the Irish manufacturer. Although it has been through a Special Committee it is still bewildering and many are under the impression that food is exempt. Specified food has a rating at present of zero. That could be changed in the future, as indicated in the Minister's introduction.

While this Bill may harmonise the laws of member states relating to VAT it does not harmonise the rates applied to the various countries. Therefore, we are faced with a great number of anomalies and considerable hardship with competing industries which are subject to a high level of VAT in one country and to zero rating in another. Since the implementation of this Bill was due on 1 January this year I am not sure how we stand regarding our contribution to the Community budget even this year. Perhaps the Minister can explain what our contribution has been, how it has been arrived at, and whether the Community objective to complete the only resources arrangement will be applicable on 1 January next year, when at least we will have passed this Bill which will enable us to administer the system in this country.

Following a vote the proposals were rejected by the French Government and I am wondering how this affects again the collection of VAT for the Community budget. Following a vote against the Government over the introduction of the EEC Sixth Directive France now seems certain to be the second member state which will be unable to introduce this Community legislation as required by 1 January 1979. This will have a direct impact on the Community's 1979 budget, since the French Government's contributions are now expected to be calculated on the basis of the present GNP key rather than on a percentage of receipts from value-added tax which is one of the three elements of the Community's own financial resources, the others being customs duties and agricultural levies.

The only member state to have indicated officially it will be unable to meet the January 1st deadline is Germany. Only three member states have so far adopted the Sixth Directive into national law and those are the UK, Belgium and Denmark. Observers expect that other countries will also inform the Commission that they are unable to take the necessary measures. We are taking the measure today but it is all extremely confusing from the point of view of how it affects the Community budget for 1979.

Under this Bill 1 per cent will be due to the European fund repayable out of the revenue of all VAT collected. In other words, Ireland will pay over to the Community the required sum in respect of VAT own resources at the rate of 1 per cent from retail expenditure subjected to VAT whether or not it is subjected to VAT in this country. Here we have, in a Community sense, a very unfair situation with regard to certain products. The ones with which I am acquainted in particular are cakes, biscuits, ice cream and newspapers. One questions why foods and newspapers in Ireland have to pay their share of 1 per cent of Ireland's own resources whilst those foods and newspapers in our neighbouring country, for instance, are not subjected to this obligation because they are zero rated. Britain, for example, will have to provide compensation equivalent to the loss of VAT if they do not charge it on these products where they are zero rated. This means, therefore, that there is a hidden subsidy for certain industries which compete with Irish industries.

Like so many anomalies in the EEC unity, the Minister has inferred that the movement to the harmonisation of the rates of VAT will be very slow but I hope the Minister will press for an urgent review of this unfair and irregular situation. Perhaps competing imports from our major competitors from the UK should be examined to see what advantage they have under the VAT system. For instance, I know the UK have a great opportunity to increase the volume on the home market with the cheaper food policy right across their larger population with so many subsidies, both indirect and direct, that we have not investigated. Therefore, there is need for a comprehensive analysis of such imports into this country which will include an in-depth research into the disparities. There appears to be no question of Britain phasing out the much discussed temporary employment scheme and this is not only enjoyed by the textile industries in Britain but also by many of the food industries in the rural areas.

Whilst the EEC are making up their mind about the harmonisation in the true sense, including harmonisation of the rates of VAT, I have suggested we examine how we can safeguard our enterprises, providing them with parity of opportunity, as guaranteed by the Treaty of Rome, and those enterprises operating in our neighbouring country which enjoy advantages of one kind or another. Furthermore, I suggest the kind of products being imported here which are not manufactured in Ireland could be subjected to the maximum rate of VAT in order to ensure that such imports are paying their way in the context of our national economic plan. I suggest this could be an effective way of either reducing imports of this nature or at least adding to our total tax collected. We have, of course, the problem of differing rates of VAT in Northern Ireland which, when one looks at television, looks as if food and other items are much cheaper than here when, in fact, they are not subjected to VAT. I know the Minister for Finance is reluctant that the Irish Government should simply follow what the British Government does, but this whole directive is about harmonisation and in this instance, there is every reason why the British Government should be encouraged to follow the Irish Government in the application of our rates of VAT on purchases, products and services which are now zero rated in the UK. After all, taxation in any form is an important factor in manufacturing costs and member states must adapt their taxation system towards a common pattern.

The whole question of VAT is really a technical matter and to some extent we are up against this when the Bill hits us at a stage like this. I would like to take the opportunity on this Second Stage to refer forward a little bit rather than to the Bill as it stands at the moment. For instance, the Joint Committee on Secondary Legislation of the EEC recently issued a report on the application of VAT to works of art, collectors' items, antiques and used goods. I would like to take this opportunity of putting it into the record that there is a great deal of concern about that particular seventh directive which will deal with this item and we would hope that, when a Bill is introduced to deal with it, the Minister and his Department will ensure that they have a look at this report and take the recommendations of the committee into account.

The used goods provision could affect the VAT chargeable on antiques and works of art in that VAT would be chargeable on 30 per cent of the dealer's selling price. The Irish Antique Dealers Association are quite concerned about VAT and would feel that they should have the option of dealing with the present system which taxes used goods at a straight 10 per cent. The other area that has come up for concern is that of used cars. At the moment it operates on the cash transaction involving the price of the car and the amount allowed on a traded-in car. There could be dangers there that the price of cars would go up as a result of the introduction of a new form of VAT which would try to do it on the two-stage basis. I just make the point at this stage in a Bill which is dealing with fairly technical matters in regard to VAT. The things which are in the pipeline should receive some attention as well and I draw the Minister's attention to that report of the Joint Committee on Secondary Legislation of the EEC, November 1978, covering these matters.

First, I would like to thank the Senators who contributed. Everybody has agreed that this is a very technical Bill and it is one that will only lead to further clarification, if such is required, on a question and answer basis on Committee Stage. I will just refer to a few points made about agricultural contractors. Senator Molony was concerned here. He talked about these now coming into the net. Most of them should qualify for relief as farmers. I think most of them will. That is the position.

Senator Lambert talked about a more simplified booklet on VAT. There is a guide to valued-added tax available, which is fairly simple and fairly precise, and covers most of the points that would require clarification. On the point of how calculations will be made in calculating own resources, I understand the base will be the sum of the actual tax base for goods liable at different positive tax rates, plus the base for zero rated goods, plus the estimated base for exempt services, such as passenger transport, telecommunications, and so on, plus the turnover of certain traders below registration limit. The second and third elements I have mentioned will require the facilities of the Central Statistics Office to supply the figures for addition to the data available in the Office of the Revenue Commissioners.

I am sorry I ever asked the question.

It is very complicated. There is no simple answer. I do not suppose there are any simple answers to many of the problems that emanate from Brussels. There are complicated answers and it is necessary to clarify the complications in order to get a clearer understanding.

On the question of a contribution to the EEC budget, only member states which implement the EEC Sixth VAT Directive are obliged to contribute to the EEC budget on the VAT own resources system. Otherwise, they remain on the GNP payments. That is the way we are at present. The contribution to VAT own resources is to be calculated on the VAT taxable turnover in member states—that is the turnover subject to all VAT rates including the zero rate. There is no question of charging an additional national VAT rate to meet the own resources contribution which will come out of Exchequer funds.

The final point made by Senator Mulcahy was one that could not really be taken into account at this stage. It does not arise on the Bill. As I said many more points were raised and we hope to clarify them on Committee Stage.

On the question of the agricultural contractors I assume when the Minister of State says he gathers most of them would qualify for exemption because they are farmers——

If they own land or occupy land.

I do not accept that the majority of agricultural contractors are in fact farmers.

Quite a number of them are. Most will qualify.

Question put and agreed to.
Committee Stage ordered for Wednesday, 13 December 1978.
The Seanad adjourned at 4.50 p.m. until Wednesday, 13 December 1978 at 2.30 p.m.
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