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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 27 Jun 1985

Vol. 108 No. 11

Electoral (Amendment) Bill, 1985: Second and Subsequent Stages.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time".

I should like to apologise at the outset for the absence of the Minister for the Environment who is abroad on official business and the Minister for State in the Department who unfortunately, is ill. The Seanad will have to tolerate my presence here again.

The purpose of this Bill is to make provision for the extension of voting rights at Dáil elections to persons other than Irish citizens who are normally resident here.

Under existing law, the right to vote at Dáil elections is confined to Irish citizens. Residents who are not Irish citizens are entitled to vote at local government elections and, if they are nationals of an EC member state, they are also entitled to vote at elections to the European Parliament.

I am sure Senators are aware of the background to this Bill. They will recall that the Electoral (Amendment) Bill, 1983, which was passed by both Houses, proposed to extend voting rights at Dáil and presidential elections and at referenda to British citizens resident here. The Bill was referred by the President to the Supreme Court in accordance with Article 26 of the Constitution and the Supreme Court ruled that the measure was unconstitutional. Following that ruling, the Government decided to recommend an amendment of the Constitution which would enable the right to vote at Dáil elections to be determined by legislation.

The Ninth Amendment of the Constitution Bill, 1984, which was passed by both Houses in April last year, proposed to allow the Oireachtas to extend to non-citizens resident in the State the right to vote at Dáil elections. That Bill was approved by the people in a referendum held in June 1984. It will be recalled that the proposal was approved by a majority of more than three to one.

The Bill now before the House provides for the extension of voting rights at Dáil elections, on a reciprocal basis, to citizens of EC member states resident here. The United Kingdom already allows Irish citizens to vote in parliamentary elections and, in recognition of this, the Bill confers directly on British citizens resident here the right to vote at Dáil elections. Once the Bill becomes law, British citizens resident here will be eligible to be included as Dáil electors in the next register of electors and will be entitled to vote at any Dáil elections held after 15 April next.

At the moment, no other member state gives voting rights at parliamentary elections to Irish citizens. However, with the development of closer relationships between the countries of the European Community, it seems appropriate to look forward to the day when member states will be prepared to confer on each other's citizens the right to vote at parliamentary elections. We would welcome this development and, in anticipation of it, this Bill proposes to enable the Minister by order to extend the Dáil vote on a reciprocal basis to nationals of other member states.

The extension of the parliamentary franchise is an important step and the Bill, therefore, provides that any order extending the franchise must be approved in advance by a resolution of each House.

The same requirements as regards entitlement to the Dáil vote will apply to non-citizens as apply in relation to Irish citizens at the moment. This means that a minimum age of 18 years will apply; there can be no discrimination on the grounds of sex; the person concerned must be free from legal disqualifications in relation to voting and must be ordinarily resident in the State on the qualifying date for the register of electors, which is 15 September in the year prior to the coming into force of the register. There is, of course, provision for specifying criteria to determine whether persons resident here are nationals of a member state for the purpose of this Bill.

Apart from section 2, which provides for the extension of the voting rights, the remainder of the Bill is taken up with consequential technical changes. These are necessary because the extension of voting rights to non-citizens relates only to Dáil elections. Voting rights at presidential elections and referenda will still be confined to Irish citizens and a new category of elector must be created. Under the Bill this category will be "presidential elector" which will be confined to Irish citizens. Only persons in this category will be allowed to vote at presidential elections and referanda.

During the debates on the 1983 Bill and on the Ninth Amendment of the Constitution Bill, 1984, the view was expressed in both Houses that any extension of voting rights should not be confined to nationals of one particular country and that there should be provision for the granting of voting rights on a reciprocal basis to nationals of other member states of the EC resident here. I am sure most Senators will now welcome the wider provisions of this Bill which enable this to be done.

I think the proposals contained in this Bill strike the correct balance by extending voting rights to EC nationals resident here, provided their country of origin gives similar voting rights to our citizens resident there. We are the only member state of the E.C. which already allows nationals from all other member states the right to vote at both European and local elections without reciprocation. This Bill can be seen as a further development of this country's open approach to the granting of the franchise to a wide category of foreigners living here and I hope it will also be seen as an important first step towards mutual extension of voting rights at parliamentary elections among EC member states.

The extension of voting rights at Dáil elections to British citizens is more than just a reciprocation of the voting rights which Irish citizens have for so long enjoyed at parliamentary elections in the United Kingdom. It is a reflection of the special relationship which exists between our two countries and I hope it will add to this relationship and to understanding between both countries.

I welcome this legislation in its present form. When the previous Bill came before this House I felt that it was unconstitutional. I said that and it is on the record. At that time we got an assurance from the Minister of State, Deputy Quinn, that his legal advice was that it would be constitutional. There was a grave error of judgment on the part of the legal advisers, whoever they were, who advised the Minister at that time. Fortunately enough for this State no election of any sort took place during the interim period. We had legislation that was deemed later on to be unconstitutional but that would have been the legislation under which elections would have taken place if an election had come up in the interim period. Luckily for us, no election was forthcoming. We were not embarrassed in that regard. It would have been an embarrassment.

In future when legislation is coming to this House the best legal advice in the land must be sought in order to ensure that it is not repugnant to the Constitution. That is the principal issue. It could arise under other headings as well, and has arisen. It is of the utmost importance to all legislators to know that we have proper legal guidelines. On this occasion our legal advisers informed the Minister of State incorrectly. I am sure he was speaking as he was advised at that time and that he felt it was constitutional, but later on it was found to be unconstitutional. At that time also we, on this side of the House, as you will recall, accepted the Bill because if we did not, it would appear that this side of the House was against British citizens getting the vote.

Being a member of the European Community we felt that our European counterparts should have the same facilities to vote in this country as British citizens. We stressed that in the Dáil and the Seanad while the Bill was going through the two Houses. We felt that as we are working within a European Community and Britain being part of that Community, they had been singled out to get priority treatment as against the other nations who, as a result of this legislation, will have the right to have that reciprocal arrangement by a regulation of the Minister. This is the first time this Bill has given power to EC member states for such legislation. If the member states so wish to give us that reciprocal arrangement we, in turn, will hold out our hands. When this Bill reaches its conclusion we will have legislated for it. That is how it should be. We welcome that section of the Bill whereby EC member states are given the same right as British citizens.

A prior Bill gave power to the British citizens to vote at all European and local government elections, together with presidential elections and referenda. I welcome the deletion of the latter, which this Bill enforces. That is how it should be, because we do not enjoy that right across the sea in Britain. While we have a right to vote in elections we have not the right to vote in the House of Lords, or in other elections in Britain. Sooner or later we may reach a stage in this State when a decision may have to be taken in a referendum here about our national territory, our neutrality or other major issues that may concern the nation. I welcome the deletion whereby the presidential election and referenda register will be for Irish citizens only, as it has been heretofore. The legislation is coming to us in the form we wanted in the first instance. As I said at the outset, we on this side of the House did not want to seem to oppose that British right at a time when we were trying to get negotiations under way on the unification of this country, when we had launched the New Ireland Forum and at a time when it was conducive to introduce legislation that would bring about a better relationship with our partners across the water. At that time we felt it was necessary to accept the Bill in its form although we did sound a warning. Our warning was justified at that time becaude it was found to be unconstitutional. Be that as it may, the Bill is before us now in the form in which we felt it should be at the outset. I welcome it wholeheartedly on these grounds.

As you know from the Bill, we will be setting up two different categories of registration for electors. I would appeal to the Minister — who may not be the Minister involved at this time — to look into the reasons why many people were unable to vote in the recent local elections due to a variety of errors. The right to vote at a local government election is a fundamental right. Citizens who voted for many years found that at the recent elections they were unable to vote because they were not on the register of electors. As legislators we should ensure that in future whoever is compiling the register should do so in a painstaking fashion and it should be screened very carefully. There should be no errors in the way names are spelt nor should there be any deletion of traditional voters from that register whether it be through computer error, clerical error or whatever. There should be a full-scale screening in the final analysis to ensure that nobody entitled to vote should be left off the register. Many thousands of people have been left off the register through a variety of errors which should not have occurred.

When we were doing an ordinary compilation of the register of electors in each municipal authority, using the old system of checking and rechecking, before the age of science advancement and technology, we got a true and accurate register. Somehow, since we began to follow this modernised fashion of computerisation we make more errors than were ever made in the past. I came across many people during the election who were unable to vote because of the mishandling of the compilation of the register.

This is a short Bill. I will be looking for the interpretation of one word in this Bill on Committee Stage. I know the Minister is anxious to get this Bill through and we are willing to go through to Committee Stage. We will not hold up the operation. On the last occasion, we had a long teased-out debate and it is not my intention to go back and be parrot-like again. Unfortunately, a lot of time was taken up the last time with legislation that was found to be unconstitutional. I hope everything will run smoothly on this occasion. I welcome the Bill as it meets our requirements on this side of the House. The other Bill did not, but we accepted it on the grounds that we would have appeared to be against the British citizen had we rejected it. When the Taoiseach last met the British Prime Minister he gave an assurance that he would bring in legislation to provide that facility. We are now honouring that commitment. I am delighted that we have the opportunity to put forward amendments to the Bill. I think the Bill will be acceptable to most people.

I, too, welcome the Bill in its entirety and the balance it has struck arising from a previous debate in this House and even from the debate leading up to the constitutional referendum on this subject. I would like to refer to the point made by Senator O'Toole about the register. It has nothing to do with the Bill but it is appropriate to join with him in commenting on the way in which the register is compiled. I am aware that every effort is made by county councils and everyone down the country to have it right but since the rate collector's functions around the country became defunct there is no common contact with people to ensure that they are on the register. The Department of the Environment waste a lot of money on television advertisements etc. but they are not personal enough for people in country areas. On the last polling day people turned up in the rain without having a vote. They had a vote on the last occasion. There is a lack of final responsibility. Perhaps the politicians should look after the electoral lists in their own interest. Senator O'Toole's party will not knock off my voters nor I his. We will share them but we would not knock them off.

When the Bill was passed in 1983 the Minister of State, Deputy Quinn, said they were of the opinion that its constitutionality was questionable. They recommended as far as possible — one cannot fully recommend to the President — that it should be referred to the Supreme Court for a ruling. It was imperative that if a Bill was passed through this House which was questionable as we realised it was, that it should be examined carefully, because, it would be indefensible if English people were allowed to vote in a general election and somebody questioned it constitutionally. The whole election could be declared null and void.

The Government in a responsible way put legislation through which contained commitments from Deputy Haughey and the Taoiseach that this reciprocal arrangement would follow through. It was important that we check the constitutionality of it. We did, and that necessitated a referendum. We had a debate in this House about the referendum. The result of the referendum without a campaign justified this legislation today. There has always been the right of Irish people in Britain to vote in general elections and it was appropriate that we would give the British people the same right here. We have a Constitution and we have to change it to allow them to do so. It is appropriate that anybody who lives in this country and has to work and survive under any Government should have a right to say who the Government might be and the right to change a Government if necessary. That would be a constitutional right of anybody, a citizen or otherwise, provided he is resident and functioning in the country. This Bill extends that right to British people here over a length of time.

The Irish vote in Britain confers a status on the Irish in Britain. They are very proud of it. They use it vociferously in elections, particularly on the Labour Party side. The Irish voter in Britain tends to be a Labour supporter. I would hope that the English voter over here might also be a Labour supporter.

The Bill also extends a bit further. It gives the possibility of reciprocal arrangements with EC countries. At the moment we have non-nationals living here. Some of them were voting for the first time when I met them on polling day. I have known them since they arrived here but they were voting for the first time. Their interest, apart from their interest in the candidates, was in the PR system. I had some pleasant times talking to them and explaining our PR system in relation to the list system in Holland. They can participate in a local government election but they cannot participate in the election of a Government. From my discussions with them they would like to be able to do something about it. I hope that when this Bill is passed, the Minister will communicate at diplomatic level with the various countries and inform them that we have passed this legislation and that we would like a reciprocal move from them in election procedures for our people in Holland, Belgium, Germany and other places. There is nothing contentious in the legislation. I am glad the Opposition have agreed to take the next stage as soon as possible. I commend the Bill to the House as being an answer to the people following a referendum on the Constitution.

In reply to Senator Ferris, volume 102, No. 7 Wednesday, 7 December 1983——

What is the point the Senator wants to raise?

Senator Ferris said the Minister said it may be unconstitutional. I want to quote one phrase from it.

Acting Chairman

The Senator cannot do that. We are on Second Stage.

I should like to thank the House for the positive welcome given to the Second Stage of this Bill. Senator Ferris has clarified the point raised by Senator O'Toole. The situation which the Senator envisages whereby an election might have occurrred during the lifetime of the previous legislation is not accurate. The President referred the Bill to the Supreme Court so the Bill did not become operative at any stage. In the unlikely event of an election having occurred around that time the provisions of the Bill would not have applied.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
Bill put through Committee, reported without amendment, received for final consideration and passed.
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