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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 19 Nov 1986

Vol. 114 No. 16

Adjournment Matter. - Homeless Persons.

I wish to thank the Cathaoirleach, through the Leas-Chathaoirleach, for allowing me to raise this matter and also to express my regret that I should have to raise it again so soon, that is, the question of the continued delay by the Government in issuing a circular to general hospitals to ensure that homeless people are not discharged from hospital onto the streets.

This is, in fact, the third time I have raised this issue in Seanad Éireann. It is interesting that the first time I raised the issue the opening words of the Minister of State were: I wish to refute the suggestion that there is not adequate concern. We have made a lot of progress since then and I hope this will be the last time I have to raise this matter.

The last time I raised this matter was on 18 June and the Minister of State at the Department of Social Welfare, who was here then, endeavoured to explain to me why a circular which the Department agreed to issue on 29 May 1984 had still not been issued. He promised the House that it would be sent out as soon as possible. The number of times I have heard that statement since I came into this House has made me very sceptical about that particular phrase.

Let us remind ourselves, the record and the House what we are talking about. I am referring to a very well documented practice that some hospitals have of discharging homeless people direct from hospital onto the streets without arrangements being made for their after care. It is worth remembering that homeless people tend to use hospitals more than other categories of people because of the appalling medical consequences of being abandoned by society to live on the streets in overcrowded and usually unhealthy hostels and shelters.

It is worth remembering that there could be no greater contrast between the warmth, concern and individual intention, the food, the heating and the care in a hospital and the isolation, cold and desperation of living on the streets. It is worth remembering also that the point of discharging somebody from a hospital provides a unique opportunity for the caring institutions to provide care for vulnerable and destitute people to ensure that their health and social welfare services, etc. are looked after and to ensure that there is adequate accommodation available for such people.

In May 1984, the Department accepted that homeless people were being discharged onto the streets, that they were not receiving adequate after care service and that measures should be taken to deal with the situation. They rightly decided to issue a circular instructing all hospitals not to discharge a homeless person unless a 16 point check list was complied with, including such matters as the arrangement of accommodation, clothes, convalescence, letters for the labour exchange, medical condition stabilised, money arrangements and so on. To lay people all this will sound eminently reasonable and I am perfectly sure to both the Minister and the officials of the Department of Health all of this will seem perfectly reasonable. It would be a quite clear basic safety net.

The promised circular was not issued until April 1985 as Circular 6/85 and it applied only to psychiatric hospitals. In February 1986 the Department of Health renewed their commitment to apply the circular to general hospitals. In June the Minister of State repeated his commitment to issue the circular and discharge list, as I said, as soon as possible. In fact, I was going to make a two word speech tonight, which would be unusual for me. I was simply going to say: "Well, Minister?" and sit down, but I will not because I think the subject merits a little more reflection than that.

The facts are that the case for the circular is not in dispute. The need for it is not in contention. The urgent requirement that homeless people should not be discharged onto the streets is accepted, as far as I can see, by most of the bodies involved at national level. So the question is: what has happened to the circular which has been promised now for 30 months? The question arises: is somebody blocking the issue of the circular? I know it is not the Minister, neither this Minister, nor the Ministers who were here, nor any other Minister I am aware of. I know, too, that it is not anybody among the officials in the Department of Health who, I know, have been more than helpful in this issue. Nor is it the voluntary organisations who have been blocking the issue of the circular. I am fairly satisfied it is not the social workers dealing with homeless people or working in the hospitals who I know have welcomed the principle of the circular as a start towards the provision of comprehensive after care for homeless people. The only conclusion I can draw is that the obstacles and objections to progress must rest either in the senior levels of health board management or in the senior management of the non health board hospitals, the voluntary hospitals.

One wonders if these are the people responsible for blocking what is accepted by most people to be a necessary reform in this area. It would be particularly and supremely ironic if the caring institutions — perhaps I should in this context put "caring" in inverted commas — are the bodies preventing a service of care from developing. It is difficult to understand how bodies who are in many cases statutorily committed to the care of patients could stand in the way of a system that would provide care.

I cannot understand what possibly could motivate caring institutions to be worried about an obligation to ensure that clothing would be provided for homeless people, that accommodation, proper convalescent services, follow up medical visits, day care, a letter to a GP were available to a homeless person and that community care agencies would be notified. These are the things that should be involved and the circular agreed they would be involved.

It is astonishing that one is forced to the conclusion that it is the caring agencies who are objecting to having an obligation imposed on them to ensure that these obvious things be done before a homeless person is discharged from a hospital. It is very little to look for, for the poorest of our citizens. It is quite clear that you cannot define hospital care as some sort of abstract, pseudo-scientific thing called medicine. You are talking about people who have all the needs of a human being and not some sort of detached abstract organism which has an illness which is cured and is then dispatched onto the streets to live in isolation from the care with which he or she was provided.

I will conclude by saying to the Minister that, if it is these so-called caring agencies who are holding up progress — and that is the only conclusion I can draw because he or his officials or the voluntary organisations who were to be consulted cannot have held it up — I hope he will do what he has shown great willingness to do in the past, that is, to remind them of their responsibilities and what their primary function is. It is not to run large organisations or big plants; it is to care for people and, in a particular way, to care for those people who, while least able to demand their services, are most in need of those services. I look forward to the Minister's reply and to an indication that the circular will issue promptly and efficiently.

Senators will be aware that this matter was the subject of an adjournment debate on 18 June and, therefore, I will briefly summarise the background to the issue. Following approaches from the Simon Community in which the question of after care facilities for homeless people being discharged from hospital was raised, the Department of Health issued a circular in April 1985 to the health boards and the voluntary hospitals. With regard to the discharge of homeless persons from psychiatric hospitals, a check list was enclosed for completion by the hospitals and notification to the appropriate directors of community care and the medical officers of health to enable the necessary follow-up action to be taken. In relation to acute hospitals a more general circular issued which did not make any provision for a check list.

The Simon Community expressed reservations about the circular and in particular about the lack of a check list similar to that applying to psychiatric hospitals. In February 1986 my Department agreed to issue a further circular to general hospitals which would include a check list. In order to ensure that this circular would be as comprehensive as possible, it was decided to consult with the health boards, the voluntary hospitals and other voluntary organisations such as Trust who are involved in the provision of medical and social services to the homeless. The secretary managers of all voluntary hospitals were written to and their views were obtained. In addition, officials from the Department of Health met Trust on 15 August and 30 September 1986. A meeting was convened with the CEOs of the health boards on 23 September 1986 and the proposed circular was discussed in detail.

A number of issues have emerged from these consultations. For example, the hospitals sought a better definition of the term "homeless". They pointed out that health board hospitals do not employ social workers, as such. They expressed some concern about the need to safeguard the individual's right to confidentiality. They pointed out the difficulties arising through lack of cover in the community support services, particularly at weekends.

It is quite clear that the issue of a circular, no matter how well constructed, will not significantly improve the lot of the sick homeless unless the community support services can respond quickly and flexibly to their needs. The present arrangements could be improved, particularly in relation to assignment of responsibilities and co-ordination between the different disciplines. The Department of Health, therefore, considered how the position on the ground, particularly in the large urban areas, can be improved so that the problems associated with providing services to homeless people can be overcome.

The Department are now directly involved in this aspect of the work. The objective is to ensure that the provisions of the circular when issued will be seen to be sensible and practicable, having the good will and support of staff in hospitals and in the community, and above all that-they are made to work for all those who are sick and homeless. Therefore, it is likely that the Department will find it necessary to have further detailed discussions with the health boards and the voluntary hospitals, as well as with Trust and the Simon Community, in order to ensure that the circular will have their full commitment. These discussions, I can assure the Senator, will take place within the next month and the circular will issue shortly thereafter.

Though there has been some delay in issuing the revised circular the reasons I have outlined are good. There was a lot of consultation about this and it is the major concern of the officers of the Department of Health to ensure that the provisions of the circular will deal with the problem and that they will work in practice. As Senators know, I am fully committed, and all senior officers in the Department of Health are equally committed, to improving the health services available, particularly for the homeless sick.

I want to make sure that the procedures will take full account of the practical difficulties. Accordingly, I can assure Senator Ryan that I share his concern in the matter. I want to put on record our admiration for the exceptional work being done by the voluntary organisations in providing care and shelter for homeless people. I know from considerable experience how demanding this work can be. I am confident that the circular will not be consigned to the limbo of some departmental or hospital God-forsaken ledge or some administrator's office. That is not the purpose of this exercise. Senator Ryan rightly asked if the issue of a revised circular will be followed through. I can assure him that it is now receiving attention in the Department of Health to enable us to overcome the difficulties which are evident and which require our continuous attention.

I thank the Minister for a very frank and informative reply. It was considerably better than a number I have heard in recent months.

The Seanad adjourned at 9.10 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Thursday, 20 November 1986.

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