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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 2 Mar 1988

Vol. 118 No. 16

Tourist Industry: Motion (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That Seanad Éireann notes the upturn in the Tourist Industry and expresses support for the restructuring of Bord Fáilte on a regional basis.
—(Senator McGowan.)

I would describe our tourist business as our second largest industry. I would also describe it as the welcome industry and the Cinderella industry. It is an industry which can create many jobs. If we could succeed in encouraging more tourists to come to our country we would be lucky. It is an important industry. As a Government we have done everything possible to encourage tourists to visit our country. We have reduced air fares considerably. The Swansea-Cork ferry service resumed. This ferry brought many tourists to the south west. Coming from a county such as Kerry, which has attracted a large number of tourists, I would like to say a little about the county itself.

We have every type of amenity in County Kerry. We have some of the best beaches in the world. We have the mountains and the lakes. We have the scenery, which is second to none. We also have a national park in Killarney with 21,000 acres of land. This national park is rated third or fourth in the world. We, in County Kerry, are very proud of it. We also have some very fine golf courses. There are two golf courses in Ballybunion. It is interesting to note a turnover there of £¼ million last year. There is a new golf course near Tralee which is very highly rated. There is also a golf course in Killarney which is well known to all the tourists. We also have substantial sport complexes in County Kerry.

We had a big increase in the number of tourists last year due to the fact that our Government succeeded in bringing down air and sea fares. Petrol vouchers were given to British holiday makers. We allocated £1 million to promote activities to encourage more tourists into the county. This county received revenue last year from our tourist business of £721 million. That is an increase of £72 million since 1986. We succeeded in encouraging 2½ million tourists to visit our country in 1987. This year our Government are spending £4 million extra to promote and encourage tourism. The future promises existing developments in tourism. The Government have given encouragement and support to meet the needs of the industry. We hope it gets the same support from the people involved in the tourist business and from those in industry as well. Everybody can play a part. I hope our Government will encourage all sectors of Irish life to support them in their effort to encourage more tourists to visit our country.

Bord Fáilte should be decentralised and personnel from Bord Fáilte sent to every county which is interested in tourists. Tourism promoters should work very closely with county councils. They should be prepared to take instruction from the county manager and the elected members of the council. A tourist officer for a county should go out and sell and promote the whole county and all aspects of the tourist attractions in that county.

The hotels and guesthouses which have done well in my county are those whose owners went abroad and sold their business directly to the customer. One hotel in County Kerry, owned by continentals sent their agent to Dublin to encourage Dubliners and top executives to come to Kerry during the winter period. They did very well in this promotional effort. The first package tour from America came to County Kerry in 1895. The attractions of Ireland as a tourist destination are our scenery, people, culture and the amenities we have to offer. Because of the variable climate Ireland has never been and will never be part of the mass tourism sun-seeking culture. The variety of attractions means that it is less likely to fall victim to change in fashion, as has happened to some summer holiday destinations or to suffer the widespread environmental damage which some such countries have experienced.

Ireland's natural attractions are well known. It has hundreds of miles of safe and sandy beaches, beautiful scenery, accessible countryside and the largest island waterway in these islands. These lead to outdoor pursuits like boating, cruising, fishing, horse-riding, golf and other sports. It also makes Ireland an attractive destination for the motorist.

Other things which attract tourists to our country are our national monuments. We have castles dating back to the 4th century. In County Kerry, we have castles dating back to the 15th century. One thing which has done a great deal for our tourist business in County Kerry is "Ryan's Daughter," a film made in County Kerry. It did more to promote County Kerry than Bord Fáilte would do in 12 months. The scenery was so good in that film that foreigners came in very big numbers to Ireland to see the place where "Ryan's Daughter" was made. As Senators know quite well, this was made in the Dingle Peninsula.

It is very important that we provide tourist guides. Some should be provided by Bord Fáilte and some by our hotels and guesthouse owners. Many of the tourists who come to Ireland to see our country never see the best parts as they do not have a guide to show them around properly. Our county councils should have a special tourist officer to deal with tourism and to be responsible to the elected members of the council and, indeed, to the manager as well.

I would like to pay a compliment to our hotel and guesthouse owners — country guesthouses, farm guesthouses and town guesthouses. They have done a tremendous job but they should reduce their charges, especially our hotels. I met a guesthouse owner recently who was in Florida on holidays. She said she wondered how any Americans came to Ireland because holidays are so cheap in Florida. That means we should control our prices and ensure that our hotels, guesthouses and restaurants are not overcharging. We should do our utmost to keep our hotel prices down. Our car hire firms should reduce their charges as well. Our restaurants should watch their prices and make sure to serve all Irish food in their restaurants. Every hotel and restaurant should serve a glass of good, rich Irish milk with every substantial meal. This would mean so much to our dairy farmers and to our co-operative societies. Hotels and restaurants are always pushing wine which is imported. Why not push an Irish product like milk?

CERT has done an excellent job in training our young people. One could pick out a CERT trained person in a hotel or restaurant. Tourism creates so many jobs. All of us should work together and try to encourage as many tourists to come to our country as we possibly can. Everyone benefits from a vibrant tourist business.

I would like to conclude by saying that everybody in this country should work together to encourage our tourist business, as it is the second biggest industry in the country. If we worked hard enough at it, it could surpass our agricultural business and become our main industry in the near future.

As this is a very important debate and many colleagues are anxious to get in with the agreement of the House I should like to share my time with my colleagues, Senator Daly and Senator Ferris. The three of us would like to be at an important CPP meeting at 7 p.m.

It is difficult to speak about the tourist industry this spring without first of all recalling and paying tribute to the great work of the late P.V. Doyle, whose significant contribution to the tourism industry will be difficult to follow. Not just his work as an entrepreneur in providing a magnificent string of hotels but his leadership but also his work as chairman of Bord Fáilte made a great contribution over the past number of years. He has left us his impressive hotel group and excellent standards, from the conservatory in the Berkeley Court to Charlie's Coffee House in the Westbury. I do not wish to encroach on the area of our colleague, Senator Norris, in saying that the excellent value and cuisine offered in these places are within the scope of the ordinary Irish citizen as well. I would not like to comment on the standard of accommodation because I have not got personal knowledge of it.

The Irish tourist industry, while having the benefit and encouragement of State bodies such as Bord Fáilte, Aer Lingus and CIE, is essentially a private sector industry. I hope both sectors can work together in the interest of the economy and the country as a whole. We can examine and admire what entrepreneurs like the late P.V. Doyle and Jim White, a former Oireachtas colleague, have achieved in their own areas. For instance, look what has been achieved in resurrecting Lisdoonvarna in the Burren country over a very short few years. What a service Jim White has provided there. Our former colleague has done a marvellous job in revitalising an ancient and traditional holiday resort. I hold the view that, if it can be done in one part of the country, it should certainly be tackled and boosted in every other part of it.

In Bray, for example, which is a very important seaside resort adjacent to perhaps nearly half the population of the country, obviously the restoration of the esplanade is something which the private sector cannot easily tackle. I hope the Minister for Tourism and Transport and his colleagues in the Department of the Environment and the Office of Public Works will provide adequate capital to assist that important progressive town to recapture the tourist industry it had over so many decades, especially in the earlier part of this century. I look forward to an effort being made by the State agencies and by the various Departments to boost the infrastructure where it is required to ensure that Irish people wishing to have a varied holiday at home can have it.

In the past year the most significant of all the improvements in the tourist industry, perhaps, came as a result of yet another private sector company — a small company called Ryanair — who have revitalised the entire travel industry. I was rather taken aback two Sundays ago when I saw our semi-State body, Aer Lingus, using and introducing a sort of American type negative advertising in direct competition with this small company. Since the introduction of Ryanair into the market, I read in some journal that the traffic on the Dublin-London route had increased by 65 per cent since the introduction of competition and that fares had fallen by 54 per cent. It is a pity that Aer Lingus, our State body, do not reduce the fares on the other routes where they have no competition from the Irish private sector.

If we take, for example, Dublin-London, the distance to Heathrow is 285 nautical miles and there the cheapest Aer Lingus fare is £63. Before May 1986 their cheapest fare was £209. Since the competition it has fallen significantly. If we take, for instance, the routes without competition, there is the Dublin-Leeds route which is only 189 nautical miles and the Aer Lingus fare is still £204; Dublin-Glasgow, 188 miles, £204; Dublin-East Midlands, 205 miles, £204; and Dublin-Paris, 490 miles, £448. It is very difficult to see why Aer Lingus cannot give the travellers on the other routes the same facilities they are able to offer where there is Irish competition. I should like to develop that argument still further. I should also like to hear the views of my colleagues with whom I have agreed to share this time.

Thank you. I will try to be brief to facilitate my colleague, Senator Daly. Many of us in tourist counties have an interest in tourism. Senator McEllistrim dealt with Kerry. As my grandfather came from Kerry I have to agree with everything he said. I live in County Tipperary in the heart of the Golden Vale. It is known internationally by name. The Minister of State knows it now, having been at a recent launch by Tipperary Tourism Council of their programme for the year named "Take in Tipperary".

A lot of excellent work has been done in various counties through the county development teams, county councils and sub-committees of councils which have specialised in promoting tourism. Bord Fáilte's assistance in this has been appreciated. Any improvement to streamline Bord Fáilte is to be welcomed. They have made a major input into the tourist industry. Indeed, hotels and guesthouses have applied themselves to the problem not alone of accommodating tourists but of giving them good value, and that is to be commended.

I know that the Minister, Deputy Wilson, has a particular interest in this brief and, in particular, since his change of portfolio he has made a major, significant contribution to improving the tourist trade through innovative changes in air fares assisted, of course, by our Commissioner, Mr. Peter Sutherland, who has spearheaded the whole concept of opening up the airways to legitimate competition and ensuring that the piece of water which divides Ireland from the rest of the Continent was not, as it had been, the most expensive piece of water in the world to cross by air. All those initiatives are to be welcomed. Indeed, the Taoiseach has applied himself in a personal way in the setting up of a task force to which we look for improvements also in the tourism area.

I am extremely concerned about tourism councils, like Tipperary Tourism Council who specialised in sending experts abroad out of their own funds in order to stimulate an interest in specialised interests like golfing and hunting, both of which are adequately catered for in south Tipperary. They were assisted by hotels which sent out delegations to convince continental visitors that they should come to Ireland and, indeed, to Tipperary for fishing.

A brochure was published which is named "Tipperary South — River Angling" at tremendous private expense. A team was selected to go abroad to sell the county with the co-operation of all the angling clubs in south Tipperary — the Ara Anglers, Ardfinnan Anglers, Ballymacarbry Tourist Association, Cahir and District Anglers' Association, Carrick-on-Suir Angling Association, Cashel/Golden/Tipperary Angling Club, Clonmel and District Salmon and Trout Anglers' Association, Clonmel and District Anglers' Club, Newcastle Angling Club and Thurles, Holycross and Bally-macas Anglers' Association. All those people contributed in some way to stimulate tourists to come here for fishing. Then the Government suddenly decided to change the availability of free trout fishing in the area. It has devastated the clubs. It has stopped the programme.

It gives me no joy to put it on the record that, in the past couple of days, the Minister received from the Chamber of Commerce a letter which said:

"It has been brought to our notice that the fishing facilities being supplied to tourist anglers by the 12 angling clubs on the enclosed brochure are being withdrawn immediately due to the imposition of a rod licence.

We are all well aware of the need to promote and develop tourism in this country and of the benefits that such development will have for the economy. The withdrawal of this facility will be disastrous for this area.

We earnestly request you to rescind the imposition of rod licence for the year 1988 and to enter into immediate negotiations with the relevant angling interests for the development of the inland fishing industry for the good of angling and tourism.

Copies have been sent to Deputy Daly, Minister for the Marine and also to the Chambers of Commerce in Ireland.

I understand that Senator Daly does not want to avail of the last couple of minutes left, so I will develop the point. Until such time as the Government and the Minister for the Marine can prove to fishing interests that they intend to tackle the problem of restocking of rivers, control of pollution and all the other incidentals which affect fishing and the quality of fishing, there is no justification whatsoever for the imposition by the Government of a rod licence for trout fishing. It is only because of the dedication of clubs like those I have put on the record of the House and with the work they have done over the years in this area, and because of their dedication to trout fishing as a tourist attraction, that continental visitors are attracted to this country. The Government have done nothing in this area.

There have been statements from the Minister for the Environment and calls on local authorities to be more diligent in the control of pollution. There is resentment because it is an imposition when we know that nothing has been done by Governments in the past. I appeal to the Minister of State to ask the Government to rethink this. These are a peaceful group of people who want to be involved in assisting us. They are willing to sit down and work out some kind of plan which will assist us in the future. The State should have some responsibility in the area of trout angling. The Minister of State will find them most co-operative.

He knows the spirit of enthusiasm in Tipperary for the development of tourism. He was present when we launched our programme in the shadow of the Rock of Cashel which was visited and seen by Presidents on their recent State visits. It is a place that is dear to my heart. If we can try to sell our own county with very little assistance from the State, the State should listen to the plea from angling and fishing clubs in regard to the anomaly that has now arisen in the middle of a promotional drive which has cost a lot of money and which will now be withdrawn unless the Government change their mind. We will all support anything else involving tourism because we are all keen to attract visitors. We are hoping the Government will rethink this matter which otherwise will have a detrimental effect on tourism.

I welcome the opportunity to speak on this Motion. I would like to reiterate the sentiments expressed by Senator McDonald in paying tribute to the late P.V. Doyle and the tremendous work he did on behalf of tourism.

In welcoming the Motion I congratulate the Minister and the Government on the initiatives taken last May in relation to air fares to encourage the throughput of tourists. Getting people to come on holiday to this country is exactly the same as exporting products to other countries. Getting people to holiday at home is exactly the same as import substitution. The reality of that must be made clear to all our people at home. These packages introduced by the Minister provided a wide range of reliable and regular transport services at the lowest economic cost, as has been mentioned by a number of speakers already.

The most recent announcements in relation to air services with Britain are even more liberal than the provisions of the EC package which was announced earlier in the year. The fact that tourism has been identified by the Government as one of the key targets for sectoral development requires a reorientation of transport policy to serve tourism. It requires the industry itself to adapt accordingly. In recent years Irish residents holidaying abroad have spent more money than incoming tourists spent in this country. That must be put into perspective. A small country with a population of approximately 3½ million people has spent more money on holidaying abroad than the rest of the world has spent on holidaying in Ireland. This shows the enormous potential for development of the tourist industry.

The figures released by An Bord Fáilte indicated, as has already been mentioned, that over £720 million was generated by over two million visitors in 1987. This represents record earnings for the Irish tourist industry. According to An Bord Fáilte those results are attributable in large measure to the initiatives taken by the Government in relation to transport, to reduce the cost of air and sea travel and also to reduce the cost of accommodation.

Revenue from US visitors in 1987 was £173 million, or 24 per cent more than in 1986, according to An Bord Fáilte's statistics. The same statistics show that revenue from British visitors increased by 16 per cent to £200 million. I was quite interested to read a report in today's newspapers on the Which magazine which did a survey on tourism. In general, the results it arrived at were favourable to Ireland and outlined the tremendous tourist attractions we have. It exploded myths in many areas as to the reason many more visitors do not come to this country. We have fantastic natural resources at our disposal. We were endowed by nature with magnificent facilities and it must be said that in the past we did not do enough to explore the possibilities of making the best use of them.

The figures mentioned for 1987 are encouraging. They prove that the potential is there for the tourist industry, given the right approach and the proper type of structures to exploit the advantages peculiar to different parts of the country.

Some other speakers mentioned the advantages their particular counties have in attracting tourists. It is fair to say that each county is unique in its own way. The reaction even of our own people who visit places in Ireland for the first time is amazing. They are very pleasantly surprised at the amenities and the wonderful tourist facilities which are available in those areas.

The case for restructuring tourism on a regional basis stems from the fact that no single region dominates the Irish tourist industry. The benefits of tourism are relatively well dispersed throughout the country and the statistics available from An Bord Fáilte for 1987 bear this out. The revenue generated from tourism in the Dublin area last year was £126 million; in the east coast area it was £70 million; in the south-east £83 million. Cork and Kerry generated £154 million; the mid-west region generated £59 million; the west generated £92 million; the north-west generated £60 million and the midlands £45 million. Those statistics come from An Bord Fáilte. They bear out the fact that no particular section of the country has a monopoly in relation to tourism.

The importance of tourism differs widely from region to region and even within regions. Some speakers have already mentioned that Kerry is much more dependent on tourism as a source of income than Dublin which has a much broader base of manufacturing and service industry from which to generate wealth and employment. The wide dispersal of tourism earnings and the relative dependence in some regions on tourism earnings lead to the question of how best to organise an effective tourist industry. The present organisation of the industry is relatively centralised with An Bord Fáilte doing most of the important marketing and development work on a national basis. In the meantime, the regional tourism organisations have remained largely as centres for disseminating information for tourists and making accommodation bookings on their behalf.

The regional tourism organisations have mostly been starved of the resources to develop effective marketing programmes or to play a key role in tourism product development in their own regions. We are talking about product development and packaging. We have a fantastic product but we must package that product and market it effectively. That is where we have been falling down in the past.

The consequences of our centralised approach to the organisation of the tourist industry are far from beneficial. As the Price Waterhouse report on the tourist industry noted, Ireland has been losing the market share in our most important producing countries for the past ten years. The Taoiseach said at a recent tourist industry forum that this loss of market share has cost the country in the region of £500 million of lost revenue from tourism. Clearly, our centralised approach to tourism has not been producing the desired results. There is, therefore, a strong case for making a less centralised approach to the organisation of the industry. This is particularly so in the important area of product development. Different regions throughout the country have different strengths as tourist attractions. I suggest that Dublin's appeal as a tourist centre revolves around its historical importance as our capital city.

As Senator McEllistrim mentioned already, Killarney's appeal is based on its famous scenery. Senator Ferris mentioned Tipperary and I think I should put in a plug for my own part of that county. Tipperary is a beautiful place to live, both north and south. I do not like to be sectional in these areas but we hope that, when we win the All Ireland next year, the whole county will be behind us not just one part of the county. The appeal of the county lies in its diverse range of attractions including the tranquil waters of the beautiful Lough Derg we have in North Tipperary and the numerous onshore villages, one of which Terry-glass, I am very proud to say, in recent times won the overall national Tidy Towns Award which was a tremendous achievement. On the other hand as Senator Ferris said, we have the magnificence of the Rock of Cashel, Holy Cross and Ballyporeen which is in the news on fairly regular occasions.

By allowing each region and sub-region to build on its strengths we can increase significantly the overall appeal of the Irish tourism product. We can do this by giving the regional tourism organisations a bigger role in tourist product development. This can be done by transferring money and manpower from Bord Fáilte headquarters to the regional tourist organisations and by encouraging them to attract private sector investment in new and existing tourism products. A strong regional commitment to improving tourism products should encourage the kind of public and private sector partnership which is urgently needed.

The first step is to strengthen the hand of the regional tourism organisations by giving them more resources through transference from Bord Fáilte. In the marketing area we need to be more circumspect. Bord Fáilte should remain the national marketing agency for overseas tourism to maintain a unified image of the country in foreign markets. There has to be room for greater regional presence in overseas tourism promotions. Senator Ferris mentioned this also. For example, the Midlands is the country's foremost fishing region. A representative of the region who knows the fishing product thoroughly should be encouraged and financed by Bord Fáilte to spend time promoting the fishing products overseas where there is a clear potential for attracting fishermen to Ireland.

This example could be extended to all regions. Our objective ought to be to emphasise our strengths in overseas markets by building on our strong regional base. There is a strong case for letting our regional tourism organisation become much more involved in marketing their tourism products in the domestic market. Domestic holidays have been stagnant in recent years and on a number of occasions Bord Fáilte put this down to the recession. At the same time, Irish people are taking more holidays abroad; so they are spending more money on holidays abroad in spite of the recession. There must be room to switch from foreign tourism back to the Irish market. Our approach must be to let the regional tourism organisations promote their regions more aggressively for the Irish tourist.

Give the RTOs the money and manpower Bord Fáilte currently use to promote home holidays and encourage them to source additional promotional funds from local product suppliers. As is the case with product development, the strong local commitment should help the regional tourism organisations to generate additional financial support and further work from the local tourism industry. The potential for tourism is absolutely enormous. We have not exploited the magnificent potential we have in this country as a tourist attraction. I make a very strong plea to the Minister and the Government to give the regional tourism organisations more say in their product development, more money to promote their product in their own areas and I know that, taking account of the magnificent initiatives taken by the Minister in recent times, the tourist industry will reach record figures in the coming year.

Tá sé soiléir dom go bhfuil ganntanas ama orainn agus dá bhrí sin déarfaidh mé an méid atá le rá agam chomh tapa agus is féidir liom.

I welcome the opportunity to respond to this Motion. It was with some satisfaction that I noted the Seanad's acknowledgement of the upturn in the Irish tourism industry and of Government efforts to ensure that this upturn is maintained. No doubt 1987 was a record year for Irish tourism. For the first time in the industry's history total tourism revenue is estimated to have topped the £1 billion mark. Over 2.1 million visitors came to Ireland in 1987 and total out-of-State revenue amounted to over £720 million. This represented an increase of 12 per cent and 11 per cent, respectively, on the previous year. The domestic market, where preformance in recent years had been disappointing, improved dramatically in 1987 also, with estimated revenue at £290 million. This represented an increase of 33 per cent on the 1986 performance. Arising from this improved performance, Bord Fáilte estimate that 4,000 new jobs were created in the tourism sector in 1987 while a further 3,500 new jobs resulted indirectly from the increase in tourism revenue.

The improved 1987 performance of Irish tourism did not happen by chance. In their pre-election manifesto, "Putting Growth Back Into Tourism," this Government recognised the vast potential of Irish tourism and the fact that this potential was not being realised. In that document, we pointed out that Irish tourism had lost ground in recent years and that we were not maintaining our market share. What we said then was underlined subsequently in the Price Waterhouse report on improving the performance of Irish tourism. This is now widely acknowledged and the same point has been made more forcefully on a number of occasions during this very debate in the Seanad.

It is fair to say that the entire community is now focusing attention on the tourism industry and I welcome the response and enthusiasm being expressed. Immediately on assuming office the Government set about the task of revitalising the industry. An emergency package of measures was introduced last May designed to boost tourism numbers in 1987 — a little late but nevertheless very effective. This involved such action as a reduction in air and sea fares into Ireland and concessions on petrol for British motoring tourists. It met with a most positive response from within the industry which produced its own package of special incentives for the tourist season. That was very important. The Government gave the lead and the industry responded.

Our 1987 performance is a testimony to the success of this approach. Let there be no mistake. This was not a once-off burst of energy on the Government's part. It was the first step towards the intensive and comprehensive development of the national tourist industry. It is one of the key planks in the Government's sectoral development policy outlined in the Programme for National Recovery. I am pleased that Members of the Seanad share our view that tourism has the potential significantly to increase its current contribution to the economy by way of jobs and wealth creation.

Tourism has quite rightly been targeted as a growth area which can provide an extra 25,000 jobs and an additional £500 million in tourism revenue through a doubling over the years of the number of foreign visitors. These are ambitious targets. They are, however, realistic and attainable.

Access transport will be a key element in the Government's strategy for achieving these targets. Our commitment to improving the range of access transport services, increasing competition and making access fares more competitive was evident from the moment we merged tourism with the crucial area of transport under the one ministry. The Price Waterhouse report referred to the non-competitiveness of air fares particularly from continental Europe, and of sea fares for motoring tourists from both Europe and the UK. The House will agree that our policies in the transport area are very quickly addressing these problems as evidenced in the large number of new routes and reduced fares which have been approved since our coming into office. More has yet to be done especially on the continental side and we look forward to a bit more co-operation from France and Germany and further liberalisation and fifth rights for airlines to bring more people to Ireland.

Recently, a substantial number of further new services by Aer Lingus, Ryanair and Club Air have been approved. All of this will help the development of competitively priced air services to Ireland from our main markets. More competitive air access has also brought about a positive response from the sea access carriers who have introduced a broad range of competitively priced fares aimed at boosting car passenger traffic.

Senator McMahon mentioned the dangers of carriers entering into below-cost selling. I would, of course, be worried about such developments. However, I can assure the Senator that, when examining fares filed for approval, the Minister operates on the principle that carriers are expected to charge the lowest possible fares consistent with an adequate service and economic and continuing operation. All fare filings, therefore, are examined critically within my Department to ensure that they are geared towards improving capacity and increasing traffic rather than undermining current services.

A further indication of the Government's commitment was their decision to allocate an additional £4 million in this year's budget for the introduction of further measures to boost tourism traffic in 1988. A special advisory group, the "task force" referred to by Senators in this debate, was established by the Government specifically to bring forward recommendations to the Government on how best to spend these funds for the benefit of Irish tourism in 1988. This has meant that the group must report as soon as possible to ensure that any recommendations to be implemented could be put in place in good time for this year's tourist season.

The group have taken on this very demanding task with great enthusiasm and energy and have already met on a number of occasions. They have received numerous submissions from a wide range of tourism interests. I would like to acknowledge the interest shown by all those who felt they had something to offer and did so in response to the request for these ideas to be submitted to the committee. These have been considered along with the large number of recommendations which emanated from the tourism forum convened by Government in January. I understand that the group are aiming to report their findings to the Government shortly and these will be given immediate consideration. The Government are acutely aware of the importance of getting any special package of measures for 1988 into the marketplace in good time to allow holiday makers to take them fully into account when determining their holiday destination, or indeed destinations, for this year.

These pressing time constraints on the work of the special advisory group meant that they could not possibly contemplate the round of consultations envisaged by Senator McGowan. Regarding the tourism development in Donegal and the Border counties, since the Senator is the proposer of the Motion and spoke for a half hour on it, I think it is only reasonable that I should reply in some detail to the points he raised. Apart from reaping the benefits of national and overseas promotional and marketing campaigns and incentive schemes such as the business expansion scheme, this region will also be reaping the benefits of special funding made available specifically for tourism there.

The board of the International Fund for Ireland has to date allocated £3 million towards the development of tourist amenities in these counties and for the marketing of the area through tour operators in North America. In addition there is £8 million available in funding from the European Regional Development Fund Special Border Area Programme for the development of tourism in the same region. A steering group chaired by the Department of Finance has been assigned the task of selecting projects suitable for funding from the large number of submissions already received to date.

Emphasis in both the IFI and ERDF programmes will be on revenue-generating projects which make a positive net added-value contribution to the local economy and have significant potential for job creation. Concern was expressed by Senator McGowan last week about the unemployment on both sides of the Border regions. All in all they represent considerable capital injections for tourism development in the region and should place it in a very strong position when the programmes are complete.

We are also aware of the opportunity for closer co-operation with the Northern Ireland Tourist Board who have developed a close working relationship with Bord Fáilte in overseas marketing and more recently in developing the tourism programme with the International Fund.

I now propose to move to the second point in this Motion which refer to support for a restructuring of Bord Fáilte on a regional basis. Bord Fáilte are the existing national State body statutorily responsible for the development and marketing of Irish tourism. They are assisted in carrying out their role by six regional tourism organisations. SFADCo have responsibility for tourism in the mid-west region covering the counties of Limerick, Clare, North Tipperary and west and south-west Offaly.

The RTOs have two major tasks: (a) to encourage and promote the development of tourist traffic to their region; and (b) to provide and encourage the provision of tourism amenities, facilities and services for visitors. Under their memoranda of association they are required to do this in accordance with national policy and overall direction of Bord Fáilte. Bord Fáilte, who last year provided an average of 50 per cent of the RTOs' budget, have one director on the boards which vary in size from 15-35 directors.

Here I would like to indicate the widely-held view that these numbers of board directors need examining. I am at present giving consideration to and having consultations with the industry and all involved in this matter.

RTOs have a crucial role to play in the development of tourism, especially in the area of product development, as stated by a number of Senators in the course of this debate. By virtue of their localised structure they are ideally positioned to identify tourism investment opportunities most advantageous for the region, having regard to its natural and cultural heritage, access to tourist markets and capacity to attract and cater for increased visitor numbers. They also play a promotional role. They actively promote their regional attractions for the home market. In so far as overseas marketing is concerned, they organise local industry participation in Bord Fáilte marketing campaigns and, where appropriate, participate themselves, particularly where local knowledge and expertise is vital to the selling of a particular product, e.g. angling.

I am aware of the industry's concern, widely articulated at recent tourism fora, that we should have a more effective regional tourism structure. Price Waterhouse in their report also stressed the potential of the regions to play a much greater role in the organisation and development of Irish tourism. They did add, however, that it is essential that their activities are consistent with national tourism development efforts and that there is no wasteful duplication or overlap.

The Irish tourist industry embraces many small and independent operators. This should be one of our strengths. At local level there is a wealth of talent, ideas and expertise which, if properly harnessed, can make a significant contribution to the overall development of tourism. The Government's aim is to ensure that this important source of local expertise is fully exploited.

It is true that existing institutional structures may not be availing adequately of this expertise or inciting local communities to commit themselves fully to the drive for growth in tourism. There is a clear need for a strong central executive tourism body to (1) co-ordinate local and regional efforts in product development and, (2) to lead and organise promotional and marketing efforts, especially overseas, where markets are large and often complex.

The Government are currently reviewing all aspects of State expenditure on national and regional tourism structures. Government strategy is to build up from local to regional to national level and to ensure that the channels of communications encourage a two way flow of information and ideas for the development of the industry. Public bodies, both at national and regional level, have an important but not exclusive role to play in product development. However, the private sector have an expertise in relating these products to market demands and packaging them for sale. It is vital, therefore, that our institutional structures are designed to ensure close co-operation with the tourist industry and to build up confidence in the industry in order that it can achieve its full potential.

I found Senator O'Callaghan's comments on the current regional structure very interesting. I was particularly interested in his comments regarding the failure, in many instances, of local industry to contribute their fair share to the cost of RTO promotional and developmental activities. There is a strong and growing groundswell of opinion that a leaner, less cumbersome administrative structure, resourced mainly, if not exclusively, from local funding sources is what is required. Such a structure would better facilitate the more dynamic, creative role, which I know local interests would like to play in tourism development. There is a need, particularly for local businesses and commercial interests who benefit considerably from successful tourism, to contribute to and become more involved in their local RTO.

It has been suggested that a slimmer, more locally funded RTO structure would ensure a more productive and effective utilisation of local resources. There is also a need to ensure that the functions of the RTOs do not overlap with those of Bord Fáilte, the local authorities, other public agencies and the private sector. As pointed out by various Senators during the debate, there are a large number of agencies whose work impinges directly, or indirectly, on tourism. It is important at local level that each agency knows what its responsibilities encompass. It is equally important that the RTOs continue to prompt and encourage such agencies to give priority in their work to those aspects of greatest importance for developing the region's tourism potential.

The recent appointment of a full-time chairman to Bord Fáilte, combining the functions of board chairman and director general for the next five years, reflects the high priority and the urgency which the Government have accorded to the development of tourism.

I join with the Members who have expressed their appreciation of the tremendous work done by the late P.V. Doyle. In the course of managing his own business, he spearheaded and led development in the accommodation sector. He did tremendous work during his time as chairman of the board. Go ndéana Dia trócaire ar a anam.

The appointment also presents an ideal opportunity to look at structures, both national and local. The criteria for the appointment are to be seen as another proof of the Government's determination in this area. It will be seen that the Government are determined to create the necessary structures to ensure that the vast potential of Irish tourism is fully tapped and, in so doing, eliminate some of the overlapping of the present structures. We will be addressing the question of appropriate regional structures in our review and I will ensure that the views of the House, as expressed in the course of this debate, receive the fullest consideration.

Finally, I would like to thank Senators for their contributions and support. I acknowledge the desire of many Members to contribute but time constraints prevented them from contributing. I went into top gear as quickly as I could to save time for some Members. I hope I have done that. I will remain to hear what other Members have to say.

I am delighted to contribute to this debate on tourism because it is something I have an interest in. This side of the House note the upturn in the tourism industry in 1987 but we would say it has little or nothing to do with any action the Government have taken in the past year. We submit that the upturn in tourism earnings had more to do with increased prosperity in the economies of countries from which we draw our visitors and had little or nothing to do with policies adopted during 1987.

There are statistics.

We will examine the statistics. We agree that gross tourism earnings in 1986 were about £865 million, from all tourism including domestic as well as external or out of State tourism. The provisional figures for 1987 indicate that tourism earnings will go up to over £1 billion, an increase of about 16 per cent. We agree that is impressive. Nevertheless we think the Government had the happy accidents of economic upturns in the United States, the value of the dollar vis-a-vis our currency and economic booms in major nations in Europe like the United Kingdom, France and Germany from which we draw many of our tourists.

Let us look at the true measure of the Government's commitment to tourism. This can be gleaned or garnered by looking at the Book of Estimates for 1988 which makes very interesting reading. I do not know if my friend across the floor has read the Book of Estimates so far as it relates to tourism. I might remind him that the administrative estimates for Bord Fáilte for 1988 stand at £16,527,000, down 20 per cent on a figure of £20,727,000 for 1987.

We all appreciate the need to pare administrative costs and that is a good thing, but one might wonder whether we are going a bit too far here. Yesterday I attended a tourism council meeting in County Roscommon. What this means to a county like Roscommon — and regrettably this will be repeated all over the country — is that there will be no tourism information offices in the towns of Roscommon or Boyle in 1988. The same will apply in Counties Sligo, Laois, Offaly, Kerry and Cork. That is one of the effects of the cutbacks in the administration budget for Bord Fáilte.

Where did the Senator get his facts?

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

Senator Connor must have the floor.

I might inform the Minister that that announcement was made by the chairman of the Midland Regional Tourism Organisation who happens to be chairman of all the tourism organisations throughout the county, none other than Deputy Doherty of Fianna Fáil. At a Roscommon tourism council meeting yesterday, he said there would be no finances available to fund the opening of the tourism information offices in Boyle and Roscommon town, the only two we have in the county.

Raise the money yourselves.

The tradition has been that these things are paid out of handouts.

I do not think the Senator believes that. How we change when we change sides in the House.

Under the heading grant-in-aid for the development of holiday accommodation, that is, grant-aids for hotels and registered guesthouses, a basic essential of our tourism industry with a great need for development and improvement, the Government propose to allocate £150,000 in 1988. In 1987 the previous Government provided £547,000 to that grant fund. I remind the Minister that grant is down by 73 per cent.

Under the heading grant-in-aid for the development of supplementary holiday accommodation, that is, for unregistered guesthouses, farm guesthouses, etc., in 1987 the previous Government allocated £383,000. This year that is reduced to £70,000, a staggering reduction of not less than 82 per cent. For all the lip service we hear about——

(Interruptions.)

The Government pay lip service to making tourism a major industry and one of the major areas of economic growth. The lie is pinned by the very figures I have quoted in the House. They are incontrovertible. Nobody can gainsay them because they are in the Book of Estimates which underpins the budget for tourism promotion and development. The figures are there in black and white. We admit an additional £4 million was provided in the budget but we do not know where that will go. We believe it may go on specialised promotional programmes abroad and I would certainly agree with that.

Under the heading grant-in-aid for tourism development works in the Book of Estimates there was a very worth while and highly useful grant for tourism promotion. The 1987 Bord Fáilte annual report, which comments on activities in 1986, states that eight coarse and game fishing enterprises, 17 coarse and game fishing festivals and 25 sea angling festivals were aided from that fund in 1986. In addition 13 sea angling boats — and there was a great shortage of that kind of craft — were grant-aided to the tune of 20 per cent in 1986. Eight equestrian establishments got aid. Nine new regional tourism information offices were opened and one language school was aided out of that fund in 1986.

Mention has been made on this motion of the restructuring of Bord Fáilte on a regional basis. We welcome this but we ask for an explanation of what it really means. Does it mean reducing or reshaping the existing eight regional boards? This would probably be a good move. For instance, we ask whether there is a need for a regional tourism board covering all of the east Leinster counties except Dublin, with Dublin having its own regional tourism board. We agree that Dublin had 1,307,000 visitors in 1986, the second largest number of visits after Cork and Kerry.

I thank Senator McGowan for giving me a few minutes of his time. Of course, I will use a few minutes. I will reply to something my colleague from Kerry, Senator McEllistrim, referred to. He said the cost of car hire, among other charges, should be cut. Car hire prices are too high. Why are they too high? They are too high because a car that costs £4,000 in the North costs £6,000 in the South. Insurance on a self-drive car in the North costs £150 but it costs £900 in the South. Everything, including road tax, is almost double what it costs in the North. American travel agents hire cars in a package deal to people coming to Ireland. They are doing what is known in the trade as back tracking. They are hiring the cars through the Northern Ireland car hire people. The cars are brought into the South where those who have hired them are spending their holidays, and then returned to the North. The self-drive people in the South are now being deprived of this business. It was bad enough when their backs were blistered with taxation on the price of the cars, the excise duty and VAT on cars but that is the position now. I am sorry to have to disillusion Senator McEllistrim.

When I questioned the Minister for Finance, Deputy MacSharry, about the business expansion scheme he said it would not affect car hire but when I questioned Deputy Wilson, Minister for Tourism and Transport about it, he told me it was available to the car hire people and that he would see to it. Can the Minister say if the car hire firms benefit from the business expansion scheme, in other words, is Deputy Wilson right or is Deputy MacSharry right?

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

We are on your time, Senator McGowan. Are you giving some of your time to Senator Cassidy?

I want to thank Senator McGowan for giving me this time and I congratulate him on the idea of putting this motion down in the name of Fianna Fáil. I have just two points to make on the tourism industry here in Ireland.

Over 60 per cent of family run hotels have not got the very basic necessity of a bathroom or shower in the bedrooms or with the toilets. The Minister and the Department should do something about that immediately. It would improve our building industry and improve the very basic standards of accommodation we all require and which in particular Europeans and Americans demand. Second, the enormous sums of money spent by Bord Fáilte on marketing Ireland are totally inadequate compared with the marketing budgets of other countries. However, this money could be saved if Bord Fáilte were to convince the RTE Authority to do what was done in Dallas and Hawaii. The tourist boards in both of those areas convinced the national television network to call their most popular programmes "Hawaii Five-O" and "Dallas". "Hawaii Five-O" increased the tourist attraction of Hawaii sevenfold after the first two years of transmission. The programme "Dallas" increased the tourist trade in Dallas by 11 times in the first two years of transmission. "Glenroe," the programme with the highest TAM rating ever transmitted by RTE other than the "Late Late Show", could change its name to "Ireland" with lead-ins to Croke Park, to Bord na Móna, to our farming organisations and to the various things we have to offer in Ireland like the Horse Show. That is my contribution to this tremendous Motion. I thank Senator McGowan for having tabled it. It would not cost a penny to market that idea of mine and it would help RTE to sell the TV series everywhere in the world. It would not cost them a penny more to make it either.

I am sorry I was not present for the Minister's response. I welcome his response to this motion. It is what I would expect from the Minister. I have talked to him on numerous occasions and there is no doubt in my mind that he is totally committed to the full development of the tourism industry. I also welcome the initiative he has taken on the rationalisation programme at Government level. I am glad to see that Bord Fáilte are included in that rationalisation programme.

The restructuring of Bord Fáilte and any other Department does not depend on a Motion before the Seanad. Nevertheless the motion gives us an opportunity to express our concern. We could have had a longer debate and many people would have liked to make a longer contribution. Nevertheless, it is timely and quite a number of Senators contributed to it.

I come from County Donegal where there are big opportunities for greater development of tourism. It is important to develop tourism. We have 20,000 young people waiting to get employment and the tourism industry holds out one of our greatest hopes for job creation. We also have one-third of the beaches in the country. Public representatives have to advocate the development of the tourism industry. We believe there is a big future in tourism. Bord Fáilte have done reasonably good work for certain regions and for the capital city. There is no doubt about that. Some Senators feel that Bord Fáilte still have a major role to play and perhaps they are right.

I have read the Minister's speech and I recognise that there is a whole new approach to tourism at present. The Minister said the regions will be strengthened and that is exactly what we want. There is no point in just publishing brochures and showing the flag at international fairs. That is not good enough because there must be an input on the ground. Across the Border in County Fermanagh they publish colour brochures on Fermanagh, which are marvellous advertising for County Fermanagh. This is organised on a regional basis.

EC funding makes a 60 per cent input to marketing local regional organisations on the ground across the Border from County Donegal. Therefore, the Minister, the Government and anybody else interested in the tourism industry will see that one way to succeed is to support the regions. I am satisfied that will be done. I hope we will have an opportunity to meet the task force and the new director general. Tributes have been paid to those who have served Bord Fáilte and the industry well in the past.

We are living in a hard world where it is tough to survive economically. If we are to promote industry we certainly have to put our best foot forward. I believe it is time to make a bigger effort to contribute more and get more out of an industry that can provide jobs. I am satisfied that the Motion was useful and timely. I thank the Minister and everybody else who contributed. I hope we can all look forward to an expanding tourism industry where the greatest need exists, that is in rural Ireland. I have no doubt that we should give the new task force a chance. We should meet them and talk to them and put forward our different arguments on regional development. Tourism offers a big opportunity at present and I hope we will grasp it because there are not many areas open for development. I put the development of tourism and the fishing industry as our two leaders. I thank the House for listening to me and supporting the motion. I thank the Minister very much for listening to all the contributions made and for his good reply to the debate.

Question put and agreed to.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

When is it proposed to sit again?

It is proposed to sit at 10.30 a.m. tomorrow.

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