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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 22 Feb 1989

Vol. 122 No. 3

Adjournment Matter. - National Library and National Museum.

At the outset may I say I will be sharing my time with Senator Murphy, and may I also welcome the Minister to the House this evening. The condition of our National Library and our National Museum constitutes at this stage a scandal of enormous proportions and is an indictment of Governments, past and present. In cultural terms this is not a particularly rich country. We are not rich in cultural artifacts. We do not have the large numbers of public institutions, museums, art galleries and so on which one may find in other countries but we have here beside us two institutions, two buildings, which should be the richest jewels in our national crown. The situation, unfortunately, is exactly the opposite. Both the National Museum and the National Library are a national disgrace.

Last Friday I spoke to a very distinguished journalist who is a member of the National Heritage Council and who was almost in tears as he described to me a visit he had made to the National Museum, when he was brought into the vast caverns, some of which are actually under this House, and where he saw stored there priceless relics of our past, priceless artifacts from the War of Independence back to the earliest days, from our history in the 30s and 40s back to earliest times. These artifacts are there, some in a state of disrepair, some in a state where certainly their condition is not improving, and all of them kept from the examination, from the view, of the people of Ireland who are the people who should be able to enjoy the richness of our national heritage. The situation is almost as dramatically bad in the National Library. I will come to that in a moment.

I also want to be very positive this evening because I think both these institutions are in a situation to make a new beginning. Each has a new director — in each case a young, dynamic person, Dr. Pat Wallace in the Museum, Dr. Pat Donnellan in the National Library. I think at this stage we, as the Oireachtas, should turn our attentions without party rancour, to the situation in which we now find ourselves. I would urge Members of both Houses to visit the National Library and to visit the National Museum, to ask to be shown the situation at first hand, to see for themselves just what exactly it is we are talking about.

We should also apply our minds to ways in which we can ensure that these institutions get the sort of funding which they deserve. For example, I have often thought that the Custom House, one of the most beautiful buildings in Dublin, is not a proper place for a Department of Government, that, on the contrary, it could be a marvellous National Museum. There is enough material already stored in the vaults I mentioned earlier. If, with the development of the Customs House Docks site, the Custom House itself could be developed into phase II of our National Museum, what an adornment, what a jewel, that would be to the city of Dublin and to the country.

Of course, the National Library needs extra space. It needs an additional building. It needs purpose-built buildings to store much of the material which is there. We have seen in recent days a number of developments which have highlighted the problems of the Library in particular. We saw the theft of a priceless 16th century map of Munster from the Library. The lack of proper security there is something which is, without overusing the term, a national disgrace. There are many other items there which may well be in constant threat of theft.

We have seen a reduction in the number of library assistants in the National Library. It has fallen drastically over the past few years. There used to be 12 assistants; last September the number fell to five. Since Christmas their number is down to three. A few weeks ago, after Denis McClean's excellent report in the Evening Press, which revealed for the first time the theft of the map, there was a notice in the papers looking for a library assistant as a matter of urgency. Perhaps the Minister, this evening, could clarify the staffing position in the National Library. In this day and age, looking after security should not be the job of library assistants on the floor. The National Library, which houses so many priceless records and treasures, should have the most sophisticated, advanced electronic and video equipment so that there would be unobtrusive but continuous control in all parts of the Library open to the public.

The case of the locker room in the National Library illustrates the lack of facilities. Only very recently has a locker room actually been provided where users can deposit their bags, coats, etc. Facilities of this sort are standard in libraries throughout the country, but the National Library did not have one of these for decades despite the fact that one was first requested in 1928.

We come now to the question of what actually is in the National Library, and the recent theft highlights a very important question. I believe there should be a full investigation, through whatever means are available to the Library, to find out if anything is missing. As somebody who has used the Library over very many years, somebody who loves the Library very much, I have often felt that the surveillance and security there leaves a great deal to be desired. I would not be surprised if there are many items catalogued in the Library which are missing and which may have been missing for very many years. I would like to know if anything is being done to establish just whether items are missing, what items are missing, what steps are being taken or have been taken to find these and what steps are being taken to ensure that this type of situation is very quickly brought under control. Do we know if documents and items in the Library have been damaged? This is a further question which I would like — probably the Minister cannot answer this evening — to see addressed.

As I said, as legislators and, indeed, as a people we have shamefully neglected our Library and its treasures down through the years. It has suffered greatly from being a relatively small division in the Department of Education for most of that time. Shortly before the last Government left office, responsibility for the National Library was transferred to the Department of the Taoiseach where it could receive greater attention in the arts and cultural division. In that Department there is a very hard-working, very dedicated and very imaginative staff who would be willing and anxious to put into operation all sorts of improvements in the National Library if they were given the facilities and the money.

Various groups and individuals have spoken out about the conditions in the National Library in recent times. On 8 February, the trade union group pointed out that thick layers of dust and dirt cover many areas of the Library and that valuable and unique collections are exposed to hazardous temperature fluctuations, poor handling and risk of theft. A few weeks ago, Michael Yeats, a very distinguished former Member of this House, criticised the conditions in the Library while opening an exhibition of papers of his father W. B. Yeats. He made very unfavourable comparisons between the facilities existing in our National Library and those in the National Libraries of Scotland and Wales. Thankfully, the decision to close the Library in the evenings and on Saturdays was rescinded by the Taoiseach's Department. I welcome that, but I would like to see this as the beginning of a number of very wide-ranging improvements.

In conclusion, what I am saying this evening is very much a cry from the heart. The condition of the National Library is, as I said, a national disgrace. I am not pin-pointing this Government or any Government; it is something which has built up over the years. At the very time when we were talking about our great commitment to our cultural heritage we were ignoring the two greatest exemplars of this on our very doorstep. We have an opportunity now, with Dublin about to be named Cultural Capital of Europe in 1991, to place the restoration of the Library and the Museum at the very top of our national cultural agenda. It behoves us to see that this is done. It behoves us to ensure that every support which this House and the Oireachtas can give to the National Library and to the National Museum be given.

I believe that the climate now exists where there would be significant public support for a move of this kind. I believe the climate is right and that private individuals and many of our larger firms would be prepared, if properly approached with a proper programme, to invest significantly in restoring the National Library and the Museum. I believe that a proper, imaginative programme backed by Government to involve the private sector in developments of this kind would meet with a very welcome and very open response. However, I have to warn the House this evening that the clock is now at five to twelve — we do not have very much time. We must make this a priority. I would like to get from the Minister this evening an assurance that the Government are taking the National Library and the Museum as being worthy of that priority and that we will get deeds, funding and action for a change.

I wish to thank Senator Manning for sharing his time with me and I also welcome the Minister to the House.

My own concern in this matter led me some weeks ago to attempt to invoke Standing Order 29 to make an emergency subject for discussion. The Cathaoirleach, in her judgment, ruled me out of order. I did not think I would get a second chance to express that concern, so I am doubly grateful to Senator Manning.

The Seanad is pre-eminently the House which should be concerned for the arts and for learning in this country by the nature of its composition and it is very appropriate that it should be raised here this evening. In another sense all of us in Leinster House have a particular responsibility both to the Library and to the Museum because we have actually physically displaced them by being here at all. Arguably, if the Houses of the Oireachtas were situated elsewhere there would be a great easing on the accommodation problems, both in the Library and in the Museum.

I speak as a user of the Library. Indeed, like Senator Manning, my concern is equally with the Museum, but tonight I want to confine myself to the position in the National Library. I speak also as a friend and colleague of many overseas scholars whose image of Ireland is still that of an island of scholars and on whose visiting list, as it were, when they come to Ireland for the first time, the National Library has priority. It really has a very important image for our overseas visitors, overseas scholars and academics from all over the world. It has, of course, the richest historical connections since it figures in the literature of the whole cultural renaissance and I would like to emphasise to the Minister how important it is for the future of this country as a Mecca of cultural tourism.

I believe the future of this country is bound up with a sophisticated tourist industry. We may not again be an island of saints, if we ever were, but we can certainly be an island of scholars. Therefore, the whole question is enormously important. It is important also because, as Senator Manning suggested, our records and our treasures have been pillaged and depleted over the years for all kinds of reasons, through the vicissitudes of our history, and it is doubly important that we preserve what we have left in this treasure house which is next door to us.

The trouble did not start today or yesterday. The National Library has been allowed to deteriorate over the years. There have been decades of neglect there. The same is true of the Museum. The former Senator Yeats was perfectly right to draw attention to the scandal of neglect when he was presenting his father's papers. Indeed, W. B. Yeats's famous phrase is particularly appropriate when we learn of a further restriction of opening hours and a further reduction of assistants there. The phrase, "We have disgraced ourselves again", certainly came to mind there. The opening hours were never adequate, they are less so now.

The staffing is appallingly insufficient, as Senator Manning said, compared with the position in other national libraries in Scotland and Wales. I have always been astonished at the total lack of security in the Library. I do not want to put bad thoughts into the head of any user but really it would be child's play to leave that Library with something valuable because of the total lack of staffing and the absence of any kind of sophisticated detection techniques. The theft of the map was only one example of what is happening there.

We are really shooting ourselves in the foot by not giving the National Library the attention it deserves. I would say that in the whole area of State expenditure on the world of learning, on the world of the arts, there would be a consensus today among scholars that if we had to cut back elsewhere and if we had to give special treatment to one area it would be the National Library of Ireland. Since the Taoiseach in his personal capacity has the reputation of being a patron of the arts, being a patron of learning, it is particularly incumbent on his Department, which has responsibility for the library to act now and act quickly.

I had intended to confine my words this evening totally to the Library but there are just two points I wish to make in response to Senator Manning's comments on the Museum. One is that a major building programme, as the Senator is aware, costing £720,000 is underway in the National Museum and will, hopefully, be completed by 1990. That should improve the situation there about which all of us have been concerned for a number of years. As the Senator already knows, a new Museum of Decorative Arts is being developed at the Custom House Dock site which is a very important development and which will relieve overcrowding and provide extra display space.

I know this House is concerned that the management and staff of the National Library of Ireland should be facilitated to the greatest extent possible to provide a first-class service for the users of the Library. The books and manuscripts of the National Library of Ireland provide an unrivalled and irresponsible source of information on various aspects of our history and culture. Anybody concerned with the preservation and dissemination of knowledge of our history and national heritage must, by definition, also be concerned with the well-being of the National Library.

I have noted the various points made by speakers this evening. In briefing myself for this debate I have also read with considerable interest the interventions by a number of Deputies over the past two weeks by way of parliamentary questions and also by way of intervention in the Dáil Adjournment debate of 9 February. In the course of that debate Deputy Nealon, the former Minister of State for Arts and Culture said:

... I do not seek to blame the staff of the National Library for the inadequacies that may be there. Nor do I blame this Government or any particular Government for the difficulties that arose. The fact is, and it is well to admit it, that our National Library has been outrageously neglected by successive Governments. Maybe a good fallout on this unfortunate occurrence will be that attention will now be focused on the needs of the National Library.

The problems of the National Library are being identified and addressed in an orderly rational manner. To talk about a crisis situation is simply an emotive reaction and is a serious disservice to the library staff and its users. The objective facts of the situation were also set out at some length by the Taoiseach when he replied on 7 February to a number of parliamentary questions. He then indicated that in recent times some doubt had arisen about evening and Saturday opening due to the withdrawal of overtime by some staff. In the event, that restriction was averted by the staff agreeing to continue working overtime. The Taoiseach acknowledged that the Library, as with other State services, has suffered staff losses but through the cooperation of staff and overtime working its services have been substantially maintained.

I must reject the implication in the matter on the Adjournment that the theft of the valuable 16th century map was due to shortage of staff. It was not. It was because the National Library handed out the original of the map together with a photographic copy and the copy only was returned. Such a practice has now been discontinued. Staff and management of the Library are operating improved security procedures.

Considerable sums of money have been expended on structural improvements and security measures there. Major security improvements are being made, including closed circuit television. All humanly-operated security systems and procedures are potentially fallible. The essential point which must be grasped is that scope for repetition of that incident has been minimised.

I have every confidence that the incoming Director of the National Library will rise to the various challenges which she must address. I know that Members of this House will join with me in conveying our sincere good wishes to Dr. Patricia Donnellan, the Director designate of the Library and, of course, I am personally very pleased that she is the first woman to hold the post of Director of the National Library.

A management survey team has carried out an in-depth objective study of the staffing needs of the Library and the practices and the procedures operated there. The recommendations of the survey team will be available in the near future. Staff levels will be reviewed following the report of that survey team. The new director will take up office in the coming weeks. These are all very positive developments. The Taoiseach has given an undertaking to the Dáil that when these developments have taken place he will review the situation to see what their effect is on the efficient functioning of the Library. I firmly believe that the stated commitment of the Taoiseach is far more conducive to the morale of the Library staff than attempts, wittingly or otherwise, to engender a crisis atmosphere.

The Seanad adjourned at 8.10 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 1 March 1989.

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