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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 15 Mar 1989

Vol. 122 No. 6

Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Bill, 1988 : Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

This Bill represents the most radical initiative as regards safety and health at work since the foundation of the State. Its purpose is to put in place a comprehensive new approach to safety and health at work. It reflects the needs of our working populations at this stage of our development and is in keeping with our membership of the European Community. It has one clear objective — to help reduce accidents and ill health at work and thus reduce both human loss and suffering and the heavy financial associated costs. It will provide a sound basis where employers, workers and the self-employed can solve their problems in a spirit of co-operation, with the support and guidance of the State. The primary responsibility will, however, remain with those who sponsor enterprise and manage the workplace. The new legislation will apply to all persons engaged in work activities of any description, whether those persons are employees, employers or the self-employed. This is in line with Article 45.4.2 of the Constitution which requires the State "to endeavour to ensure that the strength and health of workers shall not be abused".

The Bill fulfils an important commitment by the Government in the Programme for National Recovery. It follows closely the main recommendations of the Barrington Commission of Inquiry on Safety, Health and Welfare at Work, on which both sides of industry as well as Government were represented.

The Bill has been drafted following extensive consultation with the two sides of industry on the Interim Board for Occupational Safety and Health. I can, with confidence, say that there is overall acceptance of the legislation among those to whom it will apply.

The Barrington Commission's examination of occupational safety and health was the first such comprehensive study conducted in Ireland. Its investigations were timely, coinciding with a period of rapid and sustained technological change at the place of work. The commission found that existing safety legislation was severely limited both in its scope and in its ability to help overcome the safety and health hazards which can arise in the modern workplace.

The Bill is not intended solely as an extension to existing statute law on safety and health. The Barrington Commission itself queried whether safety and health could be advanced by an excessive reliance on detailed and increasingly complex regulations imposed from outside the workplace. It accepted, of course, that the law has a role to play but considered that its success depends on a clear recognition by employers, workers, the self-employed and others of their various responsibilities.

We must accept that, in our society, those who create and manage risks at the workplace are in the best position to take appropriate preventive action. This can only be achieved where safety and health issues are accorded equal priority with other aspects of the firm's activities.

Occupational safety and health considerations must, therefore, permeate the whole operational strategy. The essential elements of this approach are the provision of a safe place of work, safe plant and equipment, a safe system of work and adequately trained and informed personnel who are conscious of the safety risks and the methods of prevention. The role of the State should be to provide necessary supervision and give support through advice and guidance. This is the fundamental philosophy on which the present Bill is based.

The legislation is designed to encourage consultation and dialogue at the workplace on relevant safety and health matters. Consultation and consensus at national level is also a key feature of the Bill. This will take place through the new National Authority for Occupational Safety and Health, which I will describe later. It has long been the policy of my Department to promote dialogue between employers' and workers' organisations and other bodies involved in safety and health. I accept, however, the validity of the Barrington Commission's comments that such consultation may in some instances have been limited as those bodies would be reacting to proposals which had developed in a fairly final form. Under the new system the social partners, through their involvement in the national Authority, will have a direct input into planning and policy at the highest level from the earliest stage. I am confident that the spirit of positive co-operation which was evident in both the Barrington Commission and the interim board will manifest itself also in the Authority's operations.

Our present system of occupational safety and health is geared almost exclusively to factories, mines and quarries and the construction sector. It covers about 20 per cent of the workforce. The commission was concerned that areas such as agriculture, forestry, fishing, transport, laboratories and hospitals were not covered. Also many self-employed persons in construction, commerce, agriculture, forestry and fishing were outside the system. The commission argued that the new system should, as a matter of principle, cover all workers.

It is now a feature of our manpower programmes to find persons undergoing training for employment or work experience working alongside employed persons to gain experience and learn essential skills. Young persons undergoing such training can be particularly vulnerable, given their lack of familiarity with the world of work. Special provision is made, therefore, to treat them as employees for the purposes of safety and health protection while they are in the workplace.

The Bill acknowledges that primary responsibility for safety and health rests with the enterprise. It provides effectively also for the allocation of responsibilities for aspects of safety and health within the hierarchy of the enterprise. The employer has an obligation to provide necessary supervision and to name in the safety statement those persons responsible for performing tasks related to safety and health.

The growth in the area of subcontracting in many sectors of employment can lead to a degree of confusion as to responsibility for particular accidents or diseases in the workplace. It could very well be inappropriate to require by law that one or other employer in that situation be held legally responsible overall for all workers in a particular place of work. While each employer will carry a responsibility in the matter, the requirements in the Bill inevitably mean that the interests of other workers close by must be taken into account. Ultimately, the courts are in the best position, having had access to the facts in each particular case, to decide which employer is responsible if an accident or disease occurs.

Owing to the limited scope of the existing legal system overall data is not available on occupational accidents generally, whether fatal or non-fatal. An indication of the extent of the problem, however, may be got from the limited data available. For example, the total number of accidents reported to my Department in respect of factories, construction sites and mines and quarries is still over 3,000 per year. These do not include accidents resulting in less than three day's absence from work. In the case of the 80 per cent of occupations outside the scope of existing legislation there are no reliable statistics to show the number of accidents occurring annually.

In the agricultural sector, while there are no figures available on the total number of accidents at work, a recent survey concluded that there may be as many as three farming deaths for every fatality in industry. Non-fatal injuries on farms are comparable with those in all other industries even though there are fewer workers in farming. Another source of data is the occupational injuries benefit scheme which receives claims in respect of occupational injury or disease at the rate of about 16,000 per year.

In addition to the serious consequences which accidents at work can have in human terms for the victims and their dependants, they also give rise to heavy financial costs for the individual, the enterprise and the economy as a whole. They can seriously impair the individual's earning capacity and employment potential as well as the quality of his or her life. They can lead to lost production, lost orders and increased longer-term operational costs. They result in a serious drain on public expenditure through the occupational injuries benefits fund. They have a direct bearing on the cost of employers' liability insurance cover. The Barrington Commission drew attention to the widely expressed concern about insurance compensation costs. The Programme for National Recovery recognised that the enactment of this Bill and its enforcement could facilitate reductions in employers' liability insurance costs.

The social dimension necessary to achieve a single European market by 1992 means that many of our activities and policies on safety and health are influenced by European Community Directives and developments. The creation of the single European market will provide an enormous opportunity for economic development provided that we are properly prepared for it.

While much of the focus of the single market is the elimination throughout member states of various restrictions which up to now acted as barriers to trade, the Council of Ministers places particular emphasis also on the social dimension. The European Commission has proposed a number of new directives aimed at protecting the safety and health of workers in the context of increasing economic activity. Our existing safety and health legislation is inadequate to implement many of the European Community proposals as they stand. However, the Bill provides a basis for meeting many of the requirements of those proposals.

Unlike existing safety and health legislation which tends to deal with detailed specific requirements, this Bill sets out broad general duties of care for all employers, employees and the self-employed. Broadly speaking, those general duties of care involve the provision of a safe place of work, safe plant and equipment and safe system of work. Other requirements include giving those at risk adequate training and information about the relevant hazards and the steps taken to deal with them.

The Bill also places broad general duties of care on those who design, manufacture, import, supply, install etc., articles or substances for use at work. A legal framework is provided in the Bill for elaborating on the general requirements, where necessary, by way of codes of practice or by regulations to be made by the Minister. It will be for the Authority to make proposals to the Minister in this regard, having consulted with both sides of industry.

The Fourth Schedule to the Bill lists in detail the issues which may be the subject of regulations. For example, the Authority may recognise a need to provide detailed regulations in relation to the health hazards presented by toxic substances.

In addition to the general duties placed on employers, employees, the self-employed etc., the Bill also contains other key provisions. These are provisions relating to safety statements, consultations between workers and employers at the place of work, on safety and health matters and the establishment of a National Authority for Occupational Safety and Health.

Section 12 is an important provision which requires employers to draw up safety statements based on identification of risks in the workplace and the necessary preventive measures. The Authority will provide more detailed guidance on safety statements in due course.

Section 13, which provides for consultation at the place of work, will require employers to consult their employees on matters relating to safety, health and welfare. Employees will have the right to choose the type of consultative mechanism best suited for those purposes. The Bill specifically enables employees to appoint safety representatives to represent them in consultations with their employer and to carry out a range of other functions provided for in the Bill including the carrying out of inspections and the investigation of accidents and dangerous occurrences at the place of work.

As regards the consultative mechanisms necessary, the Bill allows for a flexible approach which can be adapted by codes of practice or by regulation for particular sectors of employment. This approach is more suited to the special characteristics and needs of each particular place of work than was possible, for example, under the corresponding provisions of the Safety in Industry Acts. Adequate consultation between employers and workers is a key feature of the new system. The Barrington Commission said that the rigid prescription in the Safety in Industry Acts as regards the size and type of safety committees required could discourage effective dialogue. I believe that the formula provided for in this Bill meets those criticisms. I would stress, however, that existing safety committees established under the Safety in Industry Acts which function adequately to the satisfaction of the employer and the workers may be endorsed by the Authority as complying with the formula set out in the Bill. I know that much good work has been carried out in recent years as regards training in the operation of safety committees and the Bill is not intended to undermine those where they are operating satisfactorily and meeting the consultative needs of both workers and employers.

While the Bill is directed primarily towards employers, employees and the self-employed, it also provides for the safety and health of non-employees affected by work activities.

The Bill does not cover matters such as general environmental issues, which are properly the responsibility of other Government Departments and institutions.

It will however have some important applications such as, for instance, in school or university laboratories or in places where young persons help out employers without being employed by them. In general, however, the Authority being established under the Bill will be expected to concentrate its efforts in the area of worker protection. In areas where the predominant risk is to the public, it would not be for the Authority to be involved in safeguarding the public against that risk.

At national level, one of the major changes under the Bill will be the establishment of a National Authority for Occupational Safety and Health. The Authority will have a clear, identifiable and undisputed responsibility for issues relating to occupational safety and health at all places of work. It will be responsible for the general administration of the new system and it will be required to provide advice and information for employers and workers to assist them in meeting their obligations.

The Barrington Commission was very clear in its report that the new system of safety and health, in which a major responsibility would be shared by both sides of industry, depended on the establishment of a tripartite body with executive powers and power to recruit its own staff. The Authority, accordingly, will be a State-sponsored body. The board will have a chairman, three employers' representatives, three workers' representatives and four representatives of the State or other appropriate bodies.

The structure of the board of the Authority gives employers' and workers' representatives a major share in responsibility for the development and implementation of overall policy on safety and health at work at national level. I intend making provision in due course for employee participation at subboard level in the Authority, in line with the provisions applying to a large number of State bodies under the Worker Participation (State Enterprises) Act, 1988.

It will be essential for the Authority in developing its policies to be able to avail of the advice of advisory committees representatives of sectoral and other expert interests. The committees will provide an advisory mechanism through which the Authority can obtain the valuable input of many organisations which have expressed a wish to contribute to the evolution of occupational safety and health arrangements.

Given the responsibilities to be allocated to the Authority in terms of developing safety and health policy and its enforcement, I concur with the Barrington Commission's conclusion that it should have independent control over its own staff. The Authority will, therefore, be able to recruit its own staff subject to the usual controls that apply in the case of public sector bodies. Initially the Authority will be staffed by civil servants designated by the Minister for Labour for employment by the Authority. The Bill contains the usual provisions regarding preservation of pay and conditions of employment of transferred civil servants.

The Authority will be financed by the Exchequer and it will be subject to all the standards accounting and reporting controls that apply to public sector bodies.

The Authority will have overall responsibility for enforcing the new legislation and the existing enactments on safety and health. However, other bodies such as local authorities may be prescribed in regulations under the Bill as "enforcing agencies" to enforce the provisions in lieu of the Authority in specified cases or areas. In such cases, it will be for the Authority in the first instance to examine the matter and to make proposals to the Minister.

Inspectors of the Authority and enforcing agencies will have a standard set of general enforcement powers under the legislation, such as the power to enter places of work and to carry out examinations at the place of work of articles and substances found there. Those powers largely reflect the powers currently exercised by industrial inspectors under the existing safety enactments. Some modifications and additional general powers are, however, incorporated in the Bill.

The Bill also provides for a range of new or modified specific enforcement measures which may be used by inspectors, including improvement directions and plans, improvement notices and prohibition notices.

Where these enforcement measures do not have the desired effect or where there are serious or persistent contraventions of the legislation, it is essential to be able to prosecute. The Bill provides for a comprehensive range of offences which may be tried either summarily or on indictment. The Bill provides for a range of penalties which are designed to act as real deterrents. Many offences under the Bill are liable to attract fines of up to £1,000 on summary conviction in the District Court.

As amended in the Dáil, the Bill leaves unspecified the level of fine which may be imposed on conviction on indictment. It will be for the courts, therefore, to decide the level of fine having regard to the circumstances of the cases before them. For a limited number of offences, including breach of a prohibition notice, a person convicted on indictment may be liable, together with or instead of a fine, to imprisonment for up to two years.

The existing enactments of safety and health at work, including the Safety in Industry Acts, the Mines and Quarries Act and their Regulations, will initially stay in place alongside the general provisions of the Bill. However, certain provisions of those enactments will be repealed automatically as corresponding provisions of the Bill are brought into operation in order to avoid overlapping or duplication. The Authority will be obliged to keep existing legislation under review and the remaining provisions of those enactments, based on recommendations of the Authority, may be repealed as necessary over a period of time by order of the Minister under the Bill and may be replaced by regulations and/or codes of practice under the Bill.

Ensuring safety and health at work does not, of necessity, involve great expenditure. Analysis of the accidents in industry reported to my Department indicate that many are due to such factors as objects or persons falling, the handling of equipment or goods and people stepping on or hitting objects. The elimination of these risks is not necessarily expensive and may not call for protective equipment and devices. Indeed, reduction of accidents may itself reduce workplace costs.

I am convinced that most low technology accidents can be eliminated if a clear priority is given to safety and health in the workplace, if there is better training and supervision, if good housekeeping practices are followed, and if the hazards are identified and the necessary information given to workers through the consultative process. Above all, employers must not believe that accidents are inevitable or that they are caused by careless or accident-prone workers. They must recognise that most often accidents are a human rather than a technical problem and that efforts by them, as employers, to train their workers about how to deal with workplace hazards will be rewarded by a reduction in accidents.

The Barrington Commission made it clear that, at the level of the State, the large task of ensuring the safety and health of all workers will have to be tackled on a phased basis. The new Authority will need to decide its strategy for achieving this and to make proposals as regards its resource needs. The Government will consider those proposals from the standpoint of seeking to achieve, efficiently and effectively, the objectives of this legislation.

If the implementation of the provisions of the Bill is to be successful in improving the health and safety of our workers, it will require a commitment from employers, workers and their respective organisations at all levels. The co-operation of workers and employers is central to the success of the proposed new system. This is reflected in the Bill which provides that workers and employers will be represented on the board of the new Authority. In this way they will have a major input into formulating and implementing safety and health policy at the very highest levels. In view of the cooperation which has already been shown during the deliberations of the Barrington Commission and the Interim Board for Occupational Safety and Health, I am confident that this spirit of co-operation and goodwill will ensure the effectiveness of the new system.

I look forward to a constructive debate and I will consider carefully all reasonable proposals which the House may have to improve the Bill.

I commend the Bill to the House.

I welcome the Minister to the House. I welcome also the very constructive and open approach he has adopted in his speech to this legislation. We in Fine Gael welcome this Bill to the House and commend the Minister for having gone so far in response to the Barrington report. The Bill has, however, a number of weaknesses which I hope can be addressed by the Minister before the Bill becomes law. I will return to some of these points shortly.

The purpose of this Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Bill is to create a comprehensive, legal and structured system as regards safety and health at work. It has one clear objective; to help reduce accidents and ill-health at work which give rise to human loss and suffering and which create costs both for individual workers and for the economy.

The Bill, as the Minister has pointed out, is based closely on the main recommendations of the Barrington Commission of Inquiry on Safety, Health and Welfare at Work on which both sides of industry and the Government were represented. The Barrington commision's examination of occupational safety and health was the first such comprehensive study conducted in Ireland. The commission found that existing safety legislation was severely limited, both in its scope and its ability to help overcome the safety and health hazards which can arise in the workplace. The commission was convinced that a system which does not clarify who is responsible for what will fail to provide for the safety and health of workers.

A major objective of the system proposed by the commission was to restore a sense of responsibility and to assign responsibilities where they belong. A single national body responsible for overall policy, co-ordination and control was considered essential. The National Authority for Occupational Safety and Health, set up this legislation, is designed to fulfil this need but whether it will or not is somewhat doubtful and I will examine its role in somewhat more detail later.

As the Minister indicated in his speech, current safety legislation covers only 20 per cent of all employment. It is geared almost exclusively to factories, mines and quarries and to the construction sector. In assessing the extent of the problem of safety and health at the workplace we are caught by the virtual absence of any statistics in relation to compensation claims, occupational injury and benefits, and so on. Overall data are not available on occupational accidents generally but there are some fairly startling indicators. For example, although only 20 per cent of the workforce are covered by the present system, there have been over 100 fatalities since 1982 in relation to that 20 per cent. Also, the Barrington commission estimated that each year between 200,000 and 400,000 damage only accidents occur, between 150,000 and 250,000 first-aid accidents and between 4,000 and 36,000 accidents involving slight injury occur. In agriculture, alone — and the Minister pointed this out — there is one death a week. These deaths and injuries emphasise the urgent need for adequate safety legislation.

Obviously the implications of these accidents for the Exchequer are enormous in terms of both lost work hours and the medical cost to the country. As a result of accidents in the workplace many people who are willing and anxious to work are unable to do so. Instead of being engaged in productive employment they are now facing a lifetime of dependence on social welfare and the State. Whether expenditure is incurred in enforcing this legislation will be returned one hundred fold with the prevention of accidents and the reduction in the number of days lost in productive employment.

The philosophy of this Bill is one of consultation and prevention and it is the result of a consultative process involving not just the commission but also the interim board on which employers and employees were represented. The philosophy of the Bill recognises that there have been tremendous improvements in industrial relations during the past 20 years and that the provision of a safe and healthy environment is of immense benefit to both employers and employees. We as a parliament must adopt that approach.

The Bill sets down a preventative approach as regards avoiding accidents and ill-health in the workplace. Employers will have to identify the hazards and set them and the protective measures out in a written safety statement. The Bill sets out broad general duties of care for all employers, employees and self-employed. These general duties of care involve the provision of a safe place of work, safe plant and equipment and a safe system of work. The Bill also requires adequate training and information for those at risk about the relevant hazards and the steps taken to deal with them.

We, in Fine Gael, welcome the commitment to consultation in the Bill. This has been proved time and time again to be the best way to approach all industrial relations issues. However, we do have some reservations about the Bill. First, in one sense the Bill is somewhat one sided. It places little obligation on employees to observe safety regulations. Many industrial accidents occur not because safety arrangements are not made but because they are not observed. There has never been, as far as I know, a prosecution under the Factories Act, the Office Premises Act, the Dangerous Substances Act or the Safety in Industry Acts against any negligent employee, no matter how serious their contribution to accidents may have been.

The Bill has failed to put sufficient emphasis on the responsibilities of those in employment to observe safety and health regulations, but it does allow for secondary legislation by way of regulation. It fails somewhat to emphasise people's obligations to fellow workers and employees. Unfortunately, that is a feature of much of our labour legislation. There is much talk about rights but little or not enough talk about responsibilities to fellow workers. The Bill before us today should, if possible, be strengthened to cover this flaw.

The second fault in this legislation and, indeed, in almost all legislation going through the Houses of the Oireachtas, is its lack of commitment to enforcement. The National Authority for Occupational Safety and Health set up by this legislation will have representatives of employers, workers and four State appointed directors. However, there is a real danger that Ministers for Labour and Finance will have too much of a strangle-hold over the affairs and effectiveness of the proposed Authority. The Authority will, according to the Bill, be responsible for developing and implementing safety and health policies and for administering and enforcing the relevant statutory provisions, but the decisions on general policy will remain with the Minister for Labour.

This relationship between the Minister and the authority does need some further clarification. Is there a danger that the Minister may well be tying the hands of the authority in some way? I am sure this is not the Minister's intention, but it may well be the result of what is now in this legislation. Similarly, the hands of the Authority may be tied somewhat by the Minister for Finance who has control over the revenues available to the Authority and over the salary level and numbers that can be employed by it. In reality the danger is that the Authority may have little real independence. If so, its effectiveness will be limited, not for safety considerations but for financial reasons. This may well prove to be in the long run a fundamental weakness of this Bill. We believe that if the Authority is to be truly effective, if there is to be enforcement of this legislation, the Authority must have committed funds available to it. It must not be subject to the possible whim of the Minister for Finance. Safety and health are far too important for that, yet this legislation proposes to give the Minister for Finance that power.

We are wasting our time if we continue to enact legislation while failing to make proper provision for its enforcement and although the principle of this Bill is more than welcome it will not become a reality unless we make proper provision in the areas of enforcement and observance. I ask the Minister to consider whether we can make some provision in this Bill which would guarantee earmarked funds to the new Authority to ensure that the Authority will not be tied down, inhibited or obstructed by financial considerations.

I am disappointed also that this Bill does not cover general environmental issues. We cannot have a proper Bill dealing with health and safety at work if it does not take account of environmental issues. Many of the causes of human disease or sickness are man-made environmental problems arising from factories, power stations, nuclear or otherwise, which were often commissioned and designed at a different time, the effects of which were not properly measured or gauged at that time and the consequences of which are only now being felt in part in this country but to a much greater extent in those countries which industrialised earlier and more intensively than we did. I am convinced that environmental and radiological hazards must be a major concern of any legislation dealing with health and safety at work. This Bill contains no such provisions and it may well be that the question is such a huge one, and that information is coming in at such a rapid pace at the present time, that this subject may well be part of a general environmental package of legislation which could and should come on the agenda, at some early future date.

I fear that the penalties proposed in this Bill for breaking safety and health regulations are not a sufficient deterrent. The fine for a summary conviction is only £1,000 but £1,000 may be nothing to an unscrupulous employer in whose interest the breaking of safety and health regulations may well be. The fine can go up to £15,000 on indictment but even that may not prove a sufficient deterrent to those who lack sufficient scruple. However, may I say to the Minister that we in Fine Gael welcome the principle of the Bill. We hope that some of the flaws, and they are not great flaws, which have been pointed out will be addressed by the Minister and that its provisions will be actively enforced. We hope this Bill will lead to an enlightened awareness among all workers of the need to observe safety regulations in the workplace. More importantly we hope that the Bill will fulfil its promise and lead to a reduction in the number of accidents in the workplace and in the incidence of diseases. Finally, a Leas-Chathaoirligh, I commend the Bill to the House in principle and I thank the Minister for the open-minded approach he adopted at the outset.

This, as will be evident from what Senator Manning has said, is not a contentious Bill. It represents the culmination of, first, the Barrington Commission deliberations which made a very comprehensive study of the whole area of safety, health and welfare in the workplace. I am happy to have the opportunity to congratulate Judge Barrington and his team for providing such a comprehensive report and of course the Bill closely follows the findings of the commission. Secondly, and a further reason why it is a Bill based on consensus, is that there was extensive consultation with both sides through the interim board for occupational health and safety. The result is that we have a legislative measure before us which is based on consensus and enjoys a high level of acceptance by both sides.

One of the more telling issues highlighted by the Barrington Commission was the limitation of the existing legislation especially in regard to its ability to overcome the hazards of safety and health under the existing system. Furthermore, of course, it highlights once more that a mere 20 per cent of the workforce was covered by it. So we only have had a partial picture up to now and the 3,000 accidents reported per year in respect of factories, mines and quarries were not quite complete in that they did not represent disputes of less than three days' duration. We get some indication of the extent of the problems under the other 80 per cent when we see a report done which would indicate that there are three fatalities in the agricultural sector compared with one in industry. The broadening of the scope of the coverage of the legislation is one of the more important and welcome aspects of the Bill.

The Minister referred to 1992 and to the Single European Act. Clearly this country enjoys considerable economic benefits from our membership of the Community but side by side with that there are indeed social obligations and there are six new directives proposed in the health and safety area at the present time at Commission level and the Minister says that this Bill provides the basis for meeting those obligations. The concern expressed by the employers, of course, in that respect is that we should not move too rapidly. We should only fulfil those obligations given our particular circumstances on a phased basis. Perhaps the Minister would have a comment to make on that in his reply. We do have specific social obligations side by side with the economic benefits we enjoy from our membership with the Community. The Bill, therefore, represents a substantial departure and change from the existing situation and the thrust of it is to provide a broad legal framework in the area of safety rather than very specific rigid requirements.

As I see it safety is a state of mind. Responsibility for it should be restored to where it properly belongs, to top management, the first line supervision, and of course employees themselves who have indeed got specific obligations. There are various procedures laid out in the Bill including the requirement for employers to produce a written safety policy statement specifying how safety, health and welfare at work can be secured. I find the requirement of dialogue and consultation between the two sides particularly welcome.

Senator Manning referred to the problem of negligent employees. I feel that the consultative mechanism is absolutely essential because the consultations between employers and employees and the sharing in the ultimate arrangements internally should provide a certain ownership on the part of employees and employers about what has actually been agreed. In other words the dialogue, it seems to me, leads to a form of commitment that otherwise would not be possible if it were unilateral and statutory provision only. Indeed the absence of that dialogue was highlighted by the Barrington Commission as a discouragement or a hindrance rather than an incentive to achieving what we are trying to do in the Bill and that is to improve safety and health standards at work. A consequence of that is of course that the thrust of the Bill is for flexibility, to let both sides through dialogue tailor the arrangements internally within the broad legal parameters and in that regard of course employers clearly have a responsibility for providing a safe place of work, safe plant and equipment and a safe system of work.

No matter how careful a worker is unless he has the actual setting and requirements for safety at work there will be accidents. In that context the Bill goes a long way towards meeting the concerns of the social partners and I have particular knowledge myself of the concerns of the Irish Conference of Professional and Services Associations who did make a submission at an earlier point especially in regard to the impact of technological development on the introduction of new equipment and materials, on changes in the nature of job descriptions and on the re-organisation of the work environment. They put forward the case for codes of practice which in fact are specified in the Minister's speech laying down certain standards jointly agreed on health and safety especially in environmental considerations like lighting, glare, noise and so forth. They are also concerned about electrical safety and the design of office structure, equipment and furnishings. Quite clearly there has been an exhaustive process of consultation and listening on the part of the Minister and the Department.

Personally I agree that the codes of practice hold out considerable promise in laying down practical guidance for the observance of the legislation. The code of practice is something that should be encouraged. It is one of the areas where there can be joint consultation that enjoys a prospect of achievement. The idea of a voluntary code of practice is acceptable to both sides provided of course that the codes of practice are jointly agreed and implemented and I share Senator Manning's concern about implementation.

With regard to the national authority for occupational health and safety, one could argue that the functions for the statutory implementation of the Bill could be left to the Department but Barrington strongly advocated a single expert authority for this purpose. So the administration of the new system and the high level of quality advice and information that will be provided in order to meet the obligations of the legislation will be provided by the new Authority.

Furthermore, the Authority will have specific responsibility for the enforcement of the relevant statutory provisions. Given that this will be a tripartite body, it obviously again offers the opportunity for both sides to be committed to the task and obviously it will have a staff to implement it, initially civil servants. I dare say, of course, as with any other body, it will need the resources to carry out its function. That, too, is important and that kind of commitment will be necessary from the Department. Prevention is clearly better than cure and that is where the real focus should be. The national Authority will be providing advice and information and the stimulus to improve practices at the workplace. But there must be a bottom line for enforcement and therefore there will need to be a process like the improvement plan, or the prohibition notice if the improvement plan is not jointly worked out. There will have to be an end of the line, as it were, where the prospect of prosecution will, in fact, act as a pressure point to bring realism to the behaviour of both parties for the implementation of the legislation.

Finally, I did say that safety is a state of mind. It is up to both sides primarily to commit themselves to the improvement of safety and health in the workplace. The costs can be very expensive for the individual worker and for the employer and for the economy as a whole.

Debate adjourned.
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