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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 8 Mar 1990

Vol. 124 No. 6

Order of Business.

It is proposed that we take item No. 1 until 1.30 p.m. and that we take the motion on storm damage from 1.30 p.m. to 4.30 p.m. I suggest that since so many people are interested in contributing to that debate that we should have a time limit of ten minutes for each speaker in order to enable as many as possible to contribute.

It was suggested to me that I might have inadvertently misled the House yesterday when I was talking on the Order of Business about the time for the Marine Institute Bill. There was agreement by the Whips that that Bill should be taken from 2.30 p.m. to 6.30 p.m. The extension of time mentioned was within the limit of 2.30 p.m. to 6.30 p.m. I do not want to get into formulae of words, but there was agreement between the Whips. If I inadvertently misled the House by suggesting that there should be an extension of time, I apologise.

I would like to refer to the point raised by the Leader of the House. He misunderstands the point I made yesterday evening. What I said on the Order of Business was that it was almost certain from the information I had that the Marine Institute Bill would not last the time allocated to it. I then said that in view of the grave public disquiet over the incident in Mountjoy Prison it would be appropriate for this House to devote the remaining time to discuss that issue, that the Seanad had to be in a position to respond speedily to matters of grave public importance. As it turned out, there was an hour and a half available. I was right in my prediction as to what would happen on the Marine Institute Bill.

What the Leader of the House said in justification of his decision not to grant that time was for — I quote: "It was the Opposition Whips who asked for an extension of time on this item". My information is that this is not correct and that we did not ask for an extension of time on this matter. We accepted what was proposed by the Government. I am making the point — and I do not want to get into a wrangle over who said what because I am certain the Leader of the House acted in good faith in this matter — that we should be sufficiently flexible in our procedures, and if there is time available that we should use that time to respond to a matter of major public importance. That is what I asked yesterday. The fact that the Dáil was able to have a full debate on this, while we were not, even though we had an hour and a half free, makes the point I was making yesterday. I will leave the matter there. I was not imputing any bad faith to the Leader of the House. I do not accept it was on the insistence of the Opposition that the time was extended and I have checked on this with the Whips.

I want to raise a second point on the Order of Business. I — and I am sure many other Members of this House — were gravely disturbed to read in The Irish Times this morning a statement by the British Minister for the Environment, Mr. Patten, that on the three occasions when our Minister for the Environment has met him not once has he raised the issue of Sellafield. We are being told here that the Government are making every effort to clear up this matter, but not once has the issue been raised. I will be asking before the day is over for an explanation as to whether this is true, and if it is true, why?

I would like to say that in view of the fact that today is International Women's Day it would be appropriate, while very good things are happening around the country organised by the various women's organisations, that perhaps the six women who are here representing one tenth of this Chamber would have a meaningful debate on an issue which is of grave consequence to women, that is the issue of the recent tragic death of a young woman in Mountjoy Prison. I would ask the Leader of the House to consider, as a special concession, that this House make some genuine and meaningful contribution to women's day by allowing a debate on that subject in line with what Senator Maurice Manning has said.

At the outset, may I thank you and compliment you on your choice of topic for the debate on the Adjournment this afternoon? While certainly a fullscale debate would be more desirable, I have to say that I am very pleased that you have taken that initiative and made the selection you did, that is, Senator Costello's motion.

May I ask the Leader of the House in relation to the proposed debate on Northern Ireland if he would clarify for us whether this will be a full debate covering all aspects of Northern Ireland, or whether it is proposed to confine it to a discussion on the rail link? May I strongly urge the Leader of the House to allow a fullscale debate on Northern Ireland?

On the question raised by Senator Hederman, I would have thought that since she is one of the lady Members she might have had a motion appropriate to today on the Order Paper. If what she is suggesting had been proposed here I do not think anybody would have objected to it. It is very late in the day to be coming in here on International Women's Day asking for a debate about women's affairs. The subject should have been on the Order Paper. If there is a matter the Senator wishes to raise and which is appropriate to the day that is in it, I would suggest that she get in touch with the Cathaoirleach. She can discuss it under section 29 (4) of Standing Orders. Having said that, since she has not brought up anything except a very broad query on the day and highlighted the day — which I thank her for — it is inappropriate to be coming in here on the Order of Business asking for something like that.

On the question of Northern Ireland, I said yesterday morning that the Whips will be meeting at 11 o'clock to discuss business for next week. That is the appropriate place to consider what is to be the form of the debate on Northern Ireland.

Order of Business agreed to.
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