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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 10 Jul 1991

Vol. 129 No. 16

Courts (Supplemental Provisions) (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill, 1990: [Seanad Bill Amended by the Dáil]: Report and Final Stages.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

This is a Seanad Bill which has been amended by the Dáil. In accordance with Standing Order No. 82, it is deemed to have passed its First, Second and Third Stages in the Seanad and is placed on the Order Paper for Report Stage. On the question "That the Bill be received for final consideration", the Minister may explain the purport of the amendments made by the Dáil and this is looked upon as the report of the Dáil amendments to the Seanad. The only matter, therefore, that may be discussed is the amendments made by the Dáil.

For the convenience of Senators I have arranged for the printing and circulation to them of these amendments. As Members are aware, they may speak only once on the question.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be received for final consideration."

Tá an-áthas orm bheith anseo arís chun deileáil leis an dara Bille seo.

The Courts (Supplemental Provisions) (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill, 1990 which was initiated in the Seanad and passed by it on 14 March last has since been passed by Dáil Éireann with some amendments. I would now like to explain these amendments to this House.

Amendment No. 1 is purely a drafting amendment. It is desirable because of the frequency with which reference is made in the Bill to the Courts of Justice Act, 1936.

Amendments Nos. 2 and 3 are consequential on amendment No. 1. Amendments Nos. 4 and 12 are connected. The purpose of amendment No. 4 is to extend the range of persons in respect of whom the Minister for Finance under section 4 of this Act may provide, by regulations, for the grant of a contributory spouses' and children's pension in order to include a person who dies while serving as a temporary judge of the Circuit Court or as a temporary justice of the District Court.

Amendment No. 12 would enable payment of a death gratuity to be made in respect of a deceased temporary judge or justice, thereby alleviating to some degree at least the hardship which occurs where a person appointed to act as a temporary Circuit Court judge or as a temporary justice of the District Court under section 14 and 51, respectively, of the Courts of Justice Act, 1936 dies before receiving a permanent appointment.

As the Minister mentioned in his Second Stage speech in Dáil Éireann, within the last year or so two justices of the District Court died in such circumstances and their spouses and children are left without entitlement to any benefit in respect of their judicial service. Had their appointments been of a permanent nature their spouses would receive a death gratuity under section 2 of the Courts of Justice and Court Officers Superannuation Act, 1961, as amended by section 8 of this Act. Also under section 4 of this Act, they would become eligible for a grant of pension under the contributory spouses' and children's pension scheme and their spouses and children would benefit accordingly. These two were the only deaths of temporary judges or justices which occurred in the period covered by this Act and the Minister for Justice considered it appropriate to make legislative provision for them and for similar cases in the future to give their next-of-kin the same benefits they would have received had the appointments been of a permanent nature.

Amendments Nos. 5 and 6 are connected and are consequential on amendment No. 4. They provide the means whereby the appropriate contributions can be made to the spouses' and children's pension schemes in respect of all the temporary service given by a deceased temporary judge or justice. This would be done by way of a reduction in the amount of the death gratuity which, as a result of amendment No. 12, would become payable in such circumstances.

Amendments No. 7 and 8 are connected and are also consequential on amendments No. 4. They extend the provision which would enable retrospective effect to be given to regulations made under section 4 of the Act to include temporary judges or justices. Without these amendments, no benefit under the contributory spouses' and children's pensions scheme would accrue to the widows and children of the deceased justices to whom I have already referred.

The purpose of amendments Nos. 9 and 10 is to enable transfer payments to be made to the European Community institutions in respect of members of the Judiciary or court officers who leave office with entitlement to preserved superannuation benefits and take up European Community appointments in the interests of Ireland. Under these arrangements, which would be optional for the persons affected, the amount of transfer payment would be equivalent to the estimated cost to the Exchequer of the preserved benefits. The European Community institution would award extra service credits under its own pension scheme to the person concerned based on the amount of the payment. Once a transfer payment is made, the person concerned would forfeit all entitlement to preserved benefits under this Act.

The introduction of transfer payment arrangements would not be incompatible with the purpose of the Bill as it would simply extend to judges and court officers a facility which has been available for some years to other public servants who take up European Community appointments. It would not involve an extra charge on public funds as the value of the transfer payments would match the value of the preserved benefits which would be surrendered.

Amendment No. 11 is consequential on amendment No. 4 which I have already explained. This amendment provides the mechanism for the laying of regulations before the Houses of the Oireachtas in respect of the grant of pension to the spouse or any child of a temporary judge or justice who dies in office.

Amendment No. 12 refers to payment of death gratuities in respect of temporary judges or justices. I have already dealt with this in conjunction with amendment No. 4.

Amendments Nos. 13, 14 and 15 are consequential on amendment No. 9 and provide that a transfer payment which would be made to European Community institution in respect of members of the Judiciary would be a charge on the Central Fund.

I trust that these new detailed explanations on the amendments which have been made by the Dáil are to the satisfaction of the House. I am sure the House will agree to these very important provisions.

This is an attempt by the Minister to correct anomalies that were noticed in the Dáil debate on the Bill. The explanations given by the Minister are reasonable and they are noted by Senators. They are appreciated and we have no intention of opposing them.

What the Minister said is an example of one of the many little anomalies that run through the public sector and turn up occasionally. We all support what he has said. Perhaps we could have a review of all the little anomalies that do not involve much cost to the State but often cause considerable hardship to the dependants of those caught in the gaps in various provisions in the public sector. For example, the widow of a former Member of the Oireachtas, through a combination of unforeseen circumstances, ended up with neither a pension nor anything else. We need a general review, but I am glad that the problem has been dealt with in this case.

I thank the House for its warm welcome for this Bill. I concur with what Senators Fallon and Ryan have said. I agree with Senator Ryan that there are certain anomalies which do not cost the State much money but which create dreadful hardship for the victims. I know that there may be some anomalies right across the pensions area, particularly in the social welfare area. The Department of Social Welfare are to be commended in that where certain Acts confer certain benefits on people, particularly on spouses where payments would be made to the spouse and a family for their partner and where some of the benefits conferred would be of less advantage to those spouses, the Department take the view at all times that the maximum payment should be made and recommend that no change should be made unless the spouse themselves wish to have that change made.

As far as the Department of Justice is concerned, we want to remove any anomalies that are there and this is part of that process. I thank the House sincerely for their support for this Bill.

Question put and agreed to.
Question: "That the Bill do now pass", put and agreed to.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

When is it proposed to sit again?

It is proposed to sit at 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday 17 July, 1991.

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