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Thursday, 12 Mar 1992

Vol. 131 No. 16

Appropriation Act, 1991: Motion (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That Seanad Éireann notes the supply services and purposes in which sums have been appropriated in the Appropriation Act, 1991.
—(Senator Hussey.)

The Appropriation legislation gives us an opportunity to look at the state of the nation. I regret we do not yet have the Minister in the House. The country has been exposed to a much lauded new political beginning in recent weeks and I would like to wish everyone concerned well.

Polls indicate there is 53 per cent satisfaction rate with the Government at this time, which leads me to wonder who comprises that 53 per cent. Are they the beef producers who are finding it extremely difficult to find purchasers for their finished animals? Are they drawn from the ranks of the beef workers whose long term job prospects in this industry are not that rosy, if we are to contemplate the state of the industry at present? Are the taxpayers over-enthused at the Greencore affair, or the Telecom affair or the Carysfort scandal? Are the 53 per cent satisfied citizens drawn from the ranks of the 300,000 unemployed? When we talk about 300,000 unemployed people, we must remember that unemployment touches almost one million people if we are to consider the average family size in this country; unemployment can have a traumatising effect on the extended family.

Perhaps the satisfied citizens are not touched by the long waiting lists for health services. They may all be fit and are not concerned with long waiting lists for hospital services and orthopaedic operations. They are probably not on the waiting list for ophthalmic operations, removal of cataracts, or dental care or on the outrageously long and slow moving waiting list for orthodontic treatment with the health boards.

Many people in this country appear to have adopted a posture of whistling past the churchyard; they do not seem to feel the depressing vibes that are widespread. There is a deeper recession and a greater shortage of finance in this country than most people would care to admit. We have an internal relations problem with the commercial banks at present, and surely those working in banks at all levels have an opportunity to appreciate the economic viability of individuals and of industries. I hope the Government will take an early interest in this dispute and endeavour to bring the sides together to save the country a bank strike. During the bank strikes over the past 20 years many people found themselves in severe financial difficulties when the banks reopened. I deplore any dispute which diminishes the control banks are able to exercise on the accounts of ordinary citizens.

The situation is confusing at present. If we look at unified Germany, dozens of top class companies internationally known and respected in manufacturing industry are experiencing trading difficulties which must have consequences for the German economy. Since we joined the European Community 18 years ago as a nation we have been content to look on our German colleagues mainly as the paymasters of Europe. That day is fast disappearing as all of Europe has undergone changes over the past 12 or 18 months which will affect the mentality of the German people and the German Government.

The Germans are wrestling with the problem of integrating 16 million people, formerly from East Germany and placing their living and working conditions on a par with the rest of west Germany which will cost a lot of money and necessitate infrastructural development. Germany despite its economic power can no longer continue to make the same contribution to the coffers of Europe that it has been making for the past 25 or 30 years. We must acknowledge that and change our policies accordingly.

I would like to see a redefinition of major national policies for our new Government. It is not sufficient for us to presume that the policies this Government may or may not have been elected on a couple of years ago continue to be valid or that they are adequate to meet future challenges.

Agriculture has not been at such a low ebb since the thirties. There is great uncertainty as markets continue to be affected by quota restrictions and contracts. Young farmers beginning their careers doubt if they can make a livelihood from the land. The return on capital gets smaller and smaller and this spring a huge crisis has befallen cattle finishers or beef producers. Many farmers in my area have between 50 and 100 fat cattle of 14, 15 or 16 hundredweight daily getting so fat that the price per pound will be reduced and they cannot find a buyer for them. What are they going to do with them?

We have been exposed to the beef inquiry for many months and rather than clear up the situation, it is sowing seeds of distrust among people dependent on the beef industry. If UMP close down the number of factories and buyers available to trade in this area will be significantly diminished and the price of beef will plummet. When the Easter lamb becomes available in a few weeks time the number of buyers will diminish further. One wonders if anyone will have the money to pay for the cattle, sheep, pigs or other livestock. That is a harrowing and difficult possibility. The cattle trade is difficult to understand given that suck calves or calves two or three days old command practically a third of the price of a finished fat beast. The situation is absurd.

It is unfair to blame the Minister for Agriculture and Food when farmers themselves cannot see the need for fair play. The milk farmers who traditionally have been the best organised seem to be in a dominant position and certainly call all the shots. They have survived probably because they have access to a cash flow unlike farmers in other husbandries.

I would like to see the Minister for Agriculture and Food redefine his policies on the future of the agriculture industry over the next few years. Farmers are fast running out of crops to sow because of quotas and restrictions. There is difficulty in the beet sector this year due to a protracted row between beet growers and Greencore, because Greencore over the years have not paid the farmers for all of the sugar extracted; they renege on payments for sugar extracted from the crowns or the tare of the beet.

Years ago my own farm delivered beet to Thurles and Carlow; Thurles sugar factory was operating then. I have two farms a few miles apart, one of them in the Thurles area and the other in the Carlow area. As loading dockets came in the practice was to load up beet from wherever one had it and to deliver it on the loading date. I delivered beet from the same field to both factories on different dates and the taring standards in the factories were significantly different, which means that even five or ten years ago the Irish Sugar Company, as it was then, were doing the farmers out of their entitlements. There can be a 7 or 8 per cent difference in the amount of tare which is clay or tops that a company will acknowledge. That gives a different price per ton, so that it was hit and miss with Carlow and Thurles sugar factories during the years.

Since there is over-production in practically all food crops in this country it is time for the Government to look seriously at the introduction of non-food crops. Apart from my own particular interest in reproduced sources of energy, a number of farmers in Donegal have been growing flax, which is a non-food crop and I wonder if they have been getting the support they were entitled to expect. The Commissioner and those who comment on the Common Agricultural Policy talk about wine lakes or butter mountains and here we have a group of farmers endeavouring to revive a high quality industry which could be brought back to the glory it reached in the last century and in the earlier part of this century. However, I doubt if those flax growers got maximum support.

The OECD say that by the year 2018 the known recoverable resources of fossil fuels worldwide will have expired. The technology is available to us to grow rapeseed or sunflowers here. Rape-seeds would be the easiest to grow and could be substituted for imported diesel oil. I think the Department of Finance are nervous in case they lose out on the duty paid on hydrocarbons. We could look at this possibility from the point of view of import substitution, it would take about 350,000 acres to replace diesel oil imports in Ireland. Beet contracts amounted to something like 90,000 acres last year. A large acreage of cereals is sown annually yet profit margins are being restricted year in year out making it hard for cereals to compete with the cheap import substitutes.

There is no guarantee for the continuation of traditional Irish agricultural practices of recent decades, which is why I would like the Minister for Agriculture and Food to redefine policy and to take a stand in conjunction with the Minister for the Environment, in co-operation with the Minister for Energy, on the whole question of non-food crops.

Can the Minister for Agriculture and Food explain how a country with 300,000 people registered unemployed can still afford to import over £30 million worth of carrots and potatoes? These two crops can be sown, not just in any field but in any cottage plot or garden in Ireland. There are many questions to be answered here.

For some years we had a junior Minister with responsibility for Horticulture. The Government, to give them their due, set up An Bord Glas to encourage the production of high-class vegetables in order to reduce importation. Despite the expensive infrastructure of An Bord Glas the value and the volume of imports since that board was set up appear to have increased. The Minister for Agriculture and Food should turn his mind to this matter and give us some suggestions on redressing that situation.

Job creation must surely be high on the agenda of everyone concerned for the future of this country, whether for youth or for the development of our economy. In 1957 the Industrial Development Authority was established and I wonder how often that Authority has been able to introduce new ideas or encourage people to provide employment opportunities. In Abbeyleix, we have been told that one of two factories in the town, Manchester Tools, will close down this summer after ten years. That is a huge blow to a small town with a population of 1,200 or 1,500. I have not seen any great efforts by the Industrial Development Authority or the regional authority to help or propose an alternative. This makes one feel that the statutory authorities seem incapable of doing anything to present the demise of these factories. This factory has been in operation for ten years. I wonder if they stayed on only while the grant aid or tax concessions were in place? If that is so, it is a bad basis for industry and there should be an investigation into why we are losing factories once those concessions cease.

I know it is inappropriate to talk about tax under the Appropriation Bill, and I would like to keep off that, However, the incentives the Minister for Finance announces from time to time should be looked at. Perhaps there should be a little more flexibility. It is important to have industry and job opportunities in the smaller towns and rural areas to endeavour to keep people in their native areas. I admit it is not easy and I know we must compete, but I am convinced that we have the potential to do so. There is a fairly high standard of education here and our labour force are capable of producing the highest quality products that should be able to compete with our European counterparts if the environment is right, where we have access to almost 400 million customers.

This Government say they are making a new beginning and I would hope they accept the challenge a new beginning offers, especially in the area of job creation.

In a small provincial town like Abbeyleix, with the prospect of one of only two factories closing down, much sadness and uncertainty are brought to a considerable number of workers and their families. I would like to see a sharper response from organisations such as the IDA who are paid to help in industrial development. There should also be some equality in the amount of aid the authorities can offer. It is a bit of a nonsense that there is such a discrepancy in the amount of grant aid available from one location to another. Perhaps the Minister for Industry and Commerce might look seriously at that point.

I have dealt with a few points on the Appropriation Act. We have a number of important debates coming up, especially on the Culliton report, and I should like to avail of that opportunity to go more in-depth into the whole area of industrial policy.

In conclusion, I think this country must grasp the nettle of reality. We must face the difficult issues. I earnestly appeal to the Government, and to the Minister present, to have as part of the new beginning at least one policy — that there will be no more Irish solutions to typical Irish problems. We must be realists.

In 1993 we will be in open competition with both producers and consumers in a community of around 400 million people. To give our people the best possible protection we must have a level playing field. We have the opportunity to produce the finest top quality food products. We have a highly skilled and well educated workforce that compares more than favourably with that of any other country in greater Europe. Therefore our goods should be able to stand four square beside anything else that goes on offer. If we are realists and face every problem openly and squarely, then I think there is some hope for us in the future.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Treacy, to the Seanad. He is no stranger here. He always has made a very helpful contribution.

I join with other Senators in saying a few words on the Appropriation Act, which covers a wide range of Government activities. May I refer breifly to my colleague, Senator McDonald? He wondered where the 53 per cent who support the new Government come from. I would venture to say that they come from the plain people of Ireland, who had no difficulty arriving at that decision.

I welcome the new confidence which is in the country, especially among the young people, who will be the inheritors of the prosperity we achieve. It is remarkable that while the world is in recession and unemployment is high, this country's economy has stood the test and we have achieved remarkable progress. I come from a Border county, and I feel a great sense of pride that the economy of the little patch I represent is better than the economy across the Border which was always the envy of the people who looked across the Border at the industrial development there. We were always the poor relation, with high unemployment. Everybody was confined or condemned, whichever word you want to use, to the land. Whether the small farm was economically viable or not, the family had to stay on the farm to survive. I am delighted that now, under almost every heading, we are now able to stand on our own feet economically.

The education and training of our young people compare favourably. Workers' pay and social welfare benefits also compare well and in some cases are higher right across the board. To my great pleasure I see people from across the Border coming to Donegal to try to qualify for the pension and to live with relations. That is a complete turnaround.

However, I am not going to say that we are living in Utopia and that we do not have problems. We certainly do have problems that need to be solved and they can be solved by educating our young people, by more training programmes and by encourging people to believe in themselves. This is what this new Government have now achieved. The youth and the people of rural Ireland have a new confidence in themselves. That is exactly what is required, because nobody believes the Government can press a magic button and everything will be all right. That is not the situation.

Progress will be achieved by people on the ground who believe in what they are doing, who have confidence in themselves and in their country, and who have the commitment to set up industries, large and small, providing employment for two, three or ten people. It is a bonus if you get a factory employing 100 or 900 people but you accept that the world recession and economic factors outside our control here represent a risk to large numbers of employed people in your town. It is a very traumatic experience when one of those industries close down. However, we have to keep our little ship on course and look to home-based industries, whether it be farming, fishing, tourism or craft industries. We must have the self-confidence to say: we are as good as the Germans, we are as good as the Americans, we are as good as the British, and in some cases we are better. Why should we have people coming from Taiwan, India, Japan or anywhere else to show us how to achieve success and provide a living for our families on our own little patch?

It is all about confidence. I was pleased and thrilled to be at our party conference at the weekend. The atmosphere there uplifted and encouraged those people from rural Ireland who attended that conference. They will go back to their areas and encourage their friends to spread the message that believing in oneself is part of being successful. If anybody does not accept that philosophy they are not going to go anywhere. It is as simple as that. As one stage we had very low level of confidence in ourselves. We felt we could not make anything good in Ireland, that it had to be imported. There was a slogan in the UK that anything they could not sell they would paint green and send it to Paddy. We have long got past that psychological barrier. We are now talking as a people who have potential, who have a clean and green island, who have a future, but we have to educate ourselves and train ourselves and get our economy right. I believe the economy has been well managed by the Government and that we have major opportunities now as a full partner in Europe.

There are a number of matters I want to cover in this debate. First, I want to highlight one of the problem areas. How can you have the economy right and have everybody in well paid jobs if you are spending millions of pounds per day on Border security? That is a tragedy. I know the extent of the problem. This week it was no great joy for me to listen to the news and to see my county of Donegal being flashed all over Europe and the world, to see the rerun of all the pictures of the guns, the bombs and so on. This is devastating for Bord Fáilte and the tourism organisations trying to sell the west of Ireland, trying to create jobs and and stimulate industry. How can you support a tourist industry if pictures of the bombs and guns are being flashed on every television set in Europe and in America? It is an impossible task.

The tourist industry is one of the areas where we would have high hopes of providing jobs. My party were totally committed to developing tourist potential to the extent that we set up in Killybegs in Donegal a hotel training and catering college that is turning out about 500 well trained students every year. It is not a luxury; it is basic for the potential and future of my county, and I believe we have been correct in setting up that training college.

It would not help and I would be wasting my time asking the Provisional IRA: what have you achieved in the 25 years? I certainly see it at first hand and can reply: you have achieved nothing for my county; you have achieved nothing for any of the Border counties. For those people who are not familiar with the current situation on the ground, there are seven major British military bases surrounding my county on the northern side while on the west is the Atlantic Ocean. My county has been made an island — the most desolate and peripheral part of Europe — by the Provisional IRA. We cannot develop our potential, our scenic value, our hospitality and our training in how to cater and look after people. People are frightened. Even many people in the south say "I will not go up north. If you go to Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan or Dundalk you are in the danger area." That is what the Provisional IRA have achieved in 25 years for the Irish people. I would not be honest, straight or fair in this Chamber if I did not say that.

It is long past the appeal stage, because this is an unstoppable campaign by paramilitaries and by the godfathers who keep it going. But the vast majority of Irish people — leaving the British people and the British Prime Minister out of it — would never accept that the way to achieve a united Ireland is by bombing and by killing people. The murder campaign that is going on will never, in my humble opinion, achieve anything. I am as close to the Border scene as anybody. I see the sandbags, the barbed wire, the gates that close at 12 midnight and the cunning, clever British soldiers who use every excuse to close a gate. If poor patients are on the way back from Dublin driving through the North, there is a gate on the main road locked the same as if you were locked in a farmyard. That is what they have achieved in 25 years. How can we invite tourists, how can we print a colour brochure and hope anyone would take it seriously, when we are swamped by pictures of barbed wire, bombed buildings, and of the ambulances and stretchers bringing people to hospital? They are giving the impression that it is a place not to touch.

That is the biggest cancer we have in this country because it is costing millions of pounds — it is certainly in excess of £200 million, which is £4 million a week on Border security. Some of those same people come across the Border to Donegal to draw the dole. They then tell us how to run the Government and that we are not doing enough for the unemployed, that we are not building enough houses, that we are not building enough roads. We could build roads and houses, water, sewerage and sanitary facilities and this country could be a great country if they would go back to where they came from and allow the legitimate democratically elected Government to run the country. Ninety-nine per cent of the people support that approach. Until the paramilitary IRA stop, this country will still be struggling to survive, will be looking for special aid and special conditions from Europe and assistance of one kind or another.

We must focus on the real problem. The real problem, as I see it, is the fact that those people continue to believe that they are performing some kind of a heroic role, that they will go down in history as the people who achieved a united Ireland. I believe that they will not. The tombstones, the flags, the banners and the charade are taking us nowhere. I would be totally dishonest if I did not publicly express my honest convictions here. More people in the country have to say that we will not be able to sustain the security that is necessary for people to walk about and sleep safely in their beds and at the same time develop our country. That has to be said and understood.

The Border counties have many difficulties. There is a third level college in Letterkenny which was built to cater for 500 students but has 1,200 students. We have to ask the Government and the EC to support a development programme for an extension to that college. The programme which we have submitted to the Department of Education for Government financing will cost about £10 million. We cannot continue to train and accommodate 1,200 to 1,400 young people in a third level college intended to accommodate 500 students. We are working at the moment in Letterkenny on two campuses — the regional college and part of a building rented in St. Conan's Hospital. That is totally unsatisfactory. I have to keep saying that we have a special case in that part of the county because of our many difficulties. I hope that the EC, the Department of Finance and the Department of Education will recognise that there is a benefit to be obtained by investing money in education and training and that my county has a valid case in this respect.

Recently I attended a meeting of the bishops that was called in Sligo. I went there with enthusiasm, expecting that we were all going to get together to contribute and that we were all going to do something positive. I was disillusioned when the first speaker was a bishop and that there were selected people who in my opinion had an attitude but had nothing to contribute, no experience. They started off by talking about health cuts. They did not know what they were talking about because in fact there were no health cuts. They talked about crime in rural areas. They talked about bad roads. It was a general gripe. It was a tragedy, because it further disillusioned the people who were there and who were anxious to contribute.

I have been a member of the North Western Health Board since last November. The greatest surprise I ever got in my 32 years as a public representative was to discover that the North Western Health Board, covering Sligo, Leitrim and Donegal and having a population of under 200,000, are getting £120 million of State funds for their health services. This has increased every year since 1987. The amount of money going to the North Western Health Board is greater than the funding going into the three local authorities, Sligo, Leitrim and Donegal, to administer all the other services. We have people who expect to be believed when they stand up and say that the health cuts are destroying the country. They start to pull out the old chestnuts, the old clichés, and talk about the cuts in the health services that do not exist and never existed in the North Western Health Board. I want to take this opportunity to say here that I am pleased that in very difficult circumstances, in tight financial times, in a recession affecting many other countries, the Government have been able to provide £120 million to sustain and support the health services in the North Western Health Board.

My county could do with more funds for roads and for housing. We must continue to highlight how important it is to have funding provided for national primary routes. For the development of industry, whether it is the tourism industry or the fishing industry in Killybegs or Burtonport, national and primary routes are fundamental. My county has an ongoing difficulty in finding sufficient funds. The same must be said of the allocation for housing. While my county gets the second highest allocation in the country, we have a problem and we have a substantial waiting list for housing. That was not caused by the lack of initiative or by the lack of campaigning. It was caused by having a manager in my county for 15 to 20 years who, when it was blatantly obvious that we should build 50 houses, built ten. We accumulated a serious backlog in housing to the point where we now have a housing crisis in my county. We have to convince the Minister for the Environment, the Minister for Finance and the Government in general that there are special circumstances and a special problem in my county, not created by neglect of Government but by nobody other than ourselves and I hope we will have sufficient funding in the future to deal with the problem.

As regards the International Fund for Ireland, we must express our gratitude to Canada, Australia, America and all those countries who contribute to the fund. However, the administration of the fund is far from satisfactory. Two-thirds of the funding goes to the North of Ireland. I accept that. It is very hard to see development plans for projects being approved for funding in the North while similar projects and plans are turned down in County Donegal. The people in Donegal find that very hard to take. I will not deal with this issue in great depth because I hope those who administer the fund will see that the procedures they use are not acceptable.

In the North one can buy derelict sites and have them classified as bombed sites and one can get £75,000 to develop such a site. That cannot be done in County Donegal or in a Border county. It is a bit of a racket. I could give details of people who have made a lucrative business out of picking up such sites. They receive £75,000 for each site to begin with, and they can use it for development. The International Fund for Ireland is not administered satisfactorily.

Recently the Buncrana Harbour Commissioners, of which I am a member, applied to the international fund for a support grant of £7,000 for the harbour at Buncrana. They were refused on the grounds that since they were a statutory organisation, the international fund did not cover them. I reminded the directors and administrators of the fund that they gave £100,000 to enable a study to be carried out in relation to an airport at Eglington which is administered by Derry City Council which is also a statutory organisation. That was blatantly unfair.

I and others in the Border counties are very unhappy about the way the fund is administered. I will not give details of all the cases but in one instance an architect submitted plans for six projects, one in Donegal and five in the North. The Northern projects received aid from the fund but the one in Donegal did not. I do not know the political implications but I compliment some of the political leaders in the North who successfully influenced the directors of the international fund and led them to believe that all funding should be spent in the North.

Not too long ago when the directors of the fund came to Ireland they were instructed to meet everybody in County Derry from the play school group to the bishop. They made three social calls to my county. They visited two pubs and Glenveagh National Park. They were directed to those places by very prominent public representatives who represent a constituency in the North of Ireland. I am not tempted to mention names, but I am not very happy about it. When the directors of the fund came from America to visit the north-west, it was stated that they were coming to see what the fund had achieved on the ground. Sad to say, no elected public representative in County Donegal was invited to even the socials that were held in Donegal. I blame Bord Fáilte. They paid for the trip. Perhaps they did like the Chinese — they treated the people out of their own bottle — that is, they paid for the directors trip out of the fund. Senior people in Bord Fáilte organised the directors of the fund — the Members of the US House of Representatives — to visit the north-west. They spent two days looking at every aspect of development in the North and made three social calls to Donegal, to which no public representative was invited. When the matter came to light the Minister of State at the Department of the Gaeltacht received a belated invitation. The people in Donegal are angry and Bord Fáilte must explain in public why public representatives were excluded. What happened looked like sharp practice, but it is not over. We will have other opportunities to raise the matter.

Unemployment has been given a high priority by the new Government and I support that approach. We all have a contribution to make. We must get rid of the stigma of unemployment. I believe we must start using the word "employment". FÁS have produced a brochure with a very attractive name — Employment Subsidy Scheme.

A large number of people are unemployed. Unfortunately some people have been unemployed for so long that they could not even think seriously about working. Somebody asked recently how many people are looking for work and how many people are looking for jobs. I do not want to criticise those who have been demoralised and draw dole, unemployment assistance or whatever. We must adopt a new approach to this problem. The Government should subsidise employers who create jobs. I do not have all the answers but we must provide an incentive to work. The FÁS training is valuable and I urge the Minister and the Government to look at ways of improving the training facilities and job opportunities that FÁS provide. We will never succeed in solving the problem if we only complain about the high numbers of unemployed people. I am glad that the Government have placed job creation at the top of their priorities.

Senator McDonald in his contribution mentioned the success achieved in each Germany. A few weeks ago I was in west Germany at a European Regional Conference and I met some Germans who gave useful information to the conference on progress made in east Germany. I was very interested in and pleased with the approach of the German Government to the difficulties in east Germany. They did not make substantial grants available nor did they draft elaborate schemes of assistance. They carried out a survey of all businesses and appointed new administration personnel. Where machines were outdated they installed new machines and supported the new management structure to get the business going. They did not throw hundreds of thousands of pounds willy-nilly into east Germany but put it into supporting business management structures. They have reached a stage where the east German development programme has nearly been achieved in a very short time without major losses and without pumping money into it for years. That is the right approach.

Where industries are failing, such as is the case in Ballaghaderreen, as a result of cashflow problems, equity should be taken up by a Government agency. The Government will have to take an interest in the industry that is now in danger in the west of Ireland.

United Meat Packers have a major problem to the tune of £60 million. The Government are right to approach this carefully. If the Government gave them £4 million today and the industry was in difficulty in July, no great credit would attach to the Government. They should establish an agency to take equity in this industry and safeguard any funding that is given. It is of paramount importance that the jobs are saved in the west and those who sold cattle to United Meat Packers must be paid. Those cheques must be honoured. That is fundamental and there is no way round that. I plead with the Government to recognise that.

I hope that my county will benefit from the new initiative. We have the potential to develop our tourist industry. It is very sad to see two major hotels, Portsalon Hotel and Portnoo Hotel, semi-derelict.

The Minister visited Glenveagh Park. I very much enjoyed his company at the function there.

The Senator was invited that day.

All was in order and it was a very pleasent occasion. The potential for tourist development is untapped. We have beaches, mountains and terrain suitable for hill walking. I hope our hospitality encourages people to visit Donegal. Bord Fáilte have a budget of £22 million. That is not sufficient. When one considers the cost of running the head office, there is, as we would say in the country, only enough to put oil in the lamp. They would need an increased budget if they are to attend to derelict areas which show good potential for development such as in Portsalon and Portnoo.

The picture is not all gloomy. It would be wrong to let this opportunity pass without complimenting Telecom Éireann. We have a very modern telephone service. County Donegal has a first class telephone and fax service. That has helped to take the region I represent out of the doldrums.

The major development in this country was the discovery of natural gas. It was piped from Kinsale to the east coast right up to Dundalk. There are many counties from Galway to Donegal, Mayo, Longford, Sligo, Leitrim and Roscommon that will never benefit from that major development. I put it on the record of the House that the directors of Bord Gáis drew up a plan. They had a meeting in Monaghan with members of the local authorities and showed them a plan whereby natural gas would come from Dundalk to Sligo-Leitrim, Cavan, Monaghan and up to Donegal. I believe that EC funding was sought to support An Bord Gáis. I also believe — I would like somebody to correct me — that An Bord Gáis directors never intended to provide natural gas in the west. We lost out on funding under the European Regional Development Fund as a result, but an ever bigger problem is that it is much more advantageous now to establish industry near the gas pipeline. A contract has been signed to connect the gas pipeline to the UK and the rest of Europe and £250 million is involved. County Donegal and other counties in the west have been put at a disadvantage and we have ground to make up.

Irish Rail lost in the region of £120 million. We do not have a rail head in my county. If the playing field is to be level then major funding is needed for those areas in need of development.

Some people in my county want an airport at Letterkenny. The local authority is putting up substantial funding and we are looking for small money. Part or our case must be based on the fact, that we did not benefit from the major funding expended on the development of natural gas, rail or shipping.

There is no point in Dublin Corporation building cutstone walls and having a dual carriageway from here down to Carlow or Wexford and the environment section of Dublin County Council placing flowers along the road while somebody like myself is struggling to get enough money to fill the potholes in the west.

Acting Chairman

Surely the Senator does not deny us a few flowers?

I certainly do not, but I look to the day when we will have flowers. The Chair would not deny us that. We and the west are awake and we must stay awake. We must get our fair share. I am totally convinced that the Minister and the Government will level the playing pitch. It is better to be positive and look forward to an area being developed rather than sitting back, moaning and groaning, hoping that some day somebody will provide us with Utopia.

I know I would have no difficulty in convincing the Minister about the vast areas that need to be developed in the west. He is totally committed to the west and that can be seen from his input through the years in his time in public life. I hope he will have the energy and health to continue the campaign. I humbly join and support that campaign. Hopefully, we will get our fair share of the obvious prosperity in this country today. We are confident that the new Government will provide better opportunities for the west.

Acting Chairman

Of the Senators present Senator Neville is next to speak, but I understand that Senator Neville has agreed to allow Senator O'Brien to speak next. I understand that Senator O'Brien has 15 minutes. Is that agreed? Agreed.

I have no objection.

I thank Senator Neville for co-operating and agreeing to change his time with me. I congratulate the Minister and welcome him to the House. I welcome the opportunity to speak on the Appropriation Act, 1991. I will address the issues most important to my area — mainly rural Ireland and agricultures as I represent the agricultural panel in this House.

I welcome the provisions of the Appropriation Act, 1991 and the subsequent budget. While many areas could be mentioned where larger allocations would assist greatly, the Government must keep tight control on spending or else return to reckless spending which would result in terrible consequences for all our people. This House should put on record its compliments to all involved in preparing the Appropriation Act, 1991.

The biggest problem facing society at present is unemployment. It affects all areas of our country, and contributes to many other problems such as crime, vandalism, the break up of families — to mention a few. We are presented with a great challenge to lead our country out of this crisis and provide a work orientated structure. The Government, with the cooperation of the social partners, can achieve this by adhering to their present policies. They can create exceptional employment opportunities and safeguard existing jobs, thereby providing a better future for all our citizens.

The European scene has changed greatly, the Iron Curtain and the Berlin Wall have disappeared and Communism and the Cold War no longer exist. The European Community is undergoing major development; the creation of a Single Market from January 1993 and the establishment of political, economic and monetary union, will provide tremendous challenges for which we must be prepared if we are to reap the rewards. Policies and attitudes to European affairs must be right if we are to share in the prosperity of a Single European Market.

Because of good economic management, the recent budget and Government polices on job creation are on course. The Government, in consultation with the social partners, have undertaken a series of initiatives to confront the problem of rising unemployment and substantial funding is now available from the European Community for the new employment subsidy and in-company job training schemes.

Under the employment subsidy scheme a weekly subsidy of £54 will be provided for 15,000 people who have been unemployed for at least two months and the in-company job training scheme will provide training for 10,000 people who have been unemployed for two months. These schemes are welcome and will provide people with the necessary training to return to work with dignity.

I welcome the temendous initiative by our Taoiseach, Deputy Reynolds, announcing and agreeing to an all-party Oireachtas jobs forum. This is his acknowledgement of the need to have political consensus in trying to reduce the scourge of unemployment. It is also confirmation of his personal priority — job creation. I welcome the new initiative and wish the Taoiseach and the Government success with the many tasks facing them.

The agriculture sector is currently going through a difficult period as income falls and the uncertainty of the GATT and the Common Agricultural Policy negotiations continue to destroy farmers' confidence in the future. Many farming families are on low incomes, some living on an annual income of £2,000 or less. Rural Ireland and farming are the very core of the fabric of society and we must ensure that those areas and small farmers survive and increase in importance. A vigorous effort must be made by all, including trade unions and bodies in the industrial sector, to protect this way of life and to keep people on the land.

The Common Agricultural Policy has served EC member states well over the past 20 years providing a continuous supply of quality food. Irish farmers have worked hard to develop the farms but by international standards they are still very small holdings. Why should they have to suffer as factory farms survive? Last year there was a welcome announcement of the extension of the disadvantaged areas and their reclassification to more severely handicapped status. However, I must express my dissatisfaction at the rate of increase for my own counties of Monaghan and Cavan. There is a compelling case for a much higher rate of inclusion in those counties. I hope the appeals mechanism will do justice to the farmers of Monaghan and Cavan and that their disadvantages will be fully realised. Last year's unacceptable inclusion rate should be massively increased as a means of keeping people on the land. Another issue of serious concern to farmers in Monaghan and Cavan is bovine TB. This is causing great hardship to many farmers as they are unable to sell cattle to provide much needed income for their families and make repayments on the farm investment, in particular for pollution control facilities.

The importance of a good technical and advisory service to farmers is critical for their survival as many farmers diversify in alternative enterprises and improve efficiency on existing enterprises. Therefore, I wholeheartedly welcome the provision in the budget of an extra £1 million for Teagasc. I also welcome the Government's commitment to protect and safeguard the advisory training and research services for farmers.

We are living in difficult and challenging times and to enable us to increase employment, keep people in rural areas and build a brighter future for our children, there must be sound economic management which this Government are providing, as indicated in the Appropriation Act, 1991. I compliment the Minister on the Bill. I again welcome him to the House and wish him well in the future.

I also welcome the Minister to the House and congratulate him on his appointment. The Minister has done duty in this House on a number of occasions and I have no doubt he will fulfil his duties in his new office with the same efficiency.

The Appropriations Act, 1991, provides us with an opportunity to look back on the past year and see what we have, or have not, achieved. It is important to know how much money has been expended and on what it has been expended. We should also plan for the future. I have a number of concerns in relation to the past year and, indeed, in relation to the year ahead. It is clear from a recent MRBI poll in The Irish Times that unemployment and job creation are a priority for the majority of our citizens; 100 per cent of those polled held that view. We do not get figures like that for any other issue, for leadership rating in political parties or in relation to popularity of any of the political parties. We spend our time dealing with various issues — business scandals, a leadership crisis and the renewal of the debate on the referendum in relation to the young girl against whom the Attorney General decided that an injunction should be taken to prevent her travelling to another country. All those are extremely serious matters, but are we improving the overall standards and quality of life for our people?

It is scandalous that the unemployment figure is now heading for 300,000. A total of 20.8 per cent of our workforce is unemployed at present, more than double the European average which is 9.2 per cent. There are now more people on the long term unemployment register than there were in total unemployment in 1980. In 1980 we had 8.2 per cent of the population unemployed, totally; in 1992 we have 8.8 per cent who are long term unemployed. That is probably the strongest indicator of the extent to which we have lost control of the unemployment situation. We have failed under any criteria to make job creation a priority. The majority of people on long term unemployment have no hope of getting a job in the future. Everything else comes and goes, but unless people have the means to earn a livelihood there is little hope for them in society. Their way of life is restricted compared to the full potential that exists for those in employment.

I am not satisfied that any moneys have been set aside in the finances which have been allocated to the various Departments, whether it be Industry and Commerce, Labour, Education or the local authorities, for job creation. The State-sponsored bodies have been allocated money to create employment but that is an expensive way of creating employment. We have failed to meet our employment needs. There are more people unemployed now than there were ten or 12 years ago.

We will shortly be debating the referendum on Maastricht and there are many issues to be dealt with in relation to that, the most important being the integration of Europe on an economic and financial basis. What will that mean for this country? Will our employed workforce be further constricted as seems to be the case since we joined the EC in 1973? We have lost out gradually but particularly in the eighties. There will be fewer jobs and we will have to export our young people or compel them to go abroad, as seems to be the case at present. A total of 46,000 people emigrated in 1989 but that number decreased to 1,000 in 1990 because fewer jobs are available abroad at present. The Minister for Labour talked about exporting our trainees to be trained abroad because they are not voluntarily leaving the country. That is a sad reflection on the way we set about creating jobs; we are almost accepting the inevitability that we cannot provide jobs for our people. A former Minister indicated that this island is too small to cater for all its people. I do not accept that we cannot provide jobs for all those who wish to remain in the country. We are a small nation but we have tremendous resources which we are not exploiting to the full.

It is sad to see United Meat Packers, the second largest beef processing company in the country, about to go to the wall. The Minister said in the other House that it was inevitable that a receiver would be brought in. The examiner found it was difficult to get the necessary finance to ensure that United Meat Packers would continue to operate but the Government now say they will bring in a receiver to restructure the company.

We will deal with that issue in the afternoon.

I am merely referring to it in the context of unemployment. Financially they will be restructured, their debt of £50 million will be got rid of and the banks will be happy; but will the country be happy? A total of 900 fulltime and 600 part-time jobs are at stake in the counties Sligo, Roscommon and Mayo. This is a short-sighted view of employment retention. We should not be pressurised by financial institutions on a matter of this nature. We must consider the effects on society and the banks should be pressurised into acting prior to receivership. The case is lost once the company goes into receivership.

As I said, my main concern is unemployment. Since 1987 the Government have concentrated on creating a climate for creating jobs. Inflation was kept at a low level and under the Programme for National Recovery wage increases of 2½ per cent were granted. The restructured Programme for Economic and Social Progress has reduced wage levels so that the wage bill will not be a heavy burden on the economy; the employer has had a cheap workforce in recent years. As a result, we had a booming economy with an average export surplus over imports of 5 per cent. Last month there was a record export surplus of £2.165 billion; exports have been in surplus for the past five years. This surplus has resulted in a large amount of money coming into the country but that money has not been used for job creation. We have a booming economy with profits being transferred to the business community while we have low inflation and low wage levels. The climate is right for job creation by any economic indicator and this is where the Government are to blame.

We must adopt an interventionist policy in relation to job creation and not a laissez-faire approach of leaving the responsibility to the business sector. The business sector will not create employment in an open economy we must export in order to survive. The money paid for those goods goes outside the country to some tax haven and does not come back. That is a matter we must face up to for example, by giving more incentives to investors. We have to look at DIRT for a start. We should give incentives to people who bring back money into the country and to those who provide employment distinct from purchasing machinery or equipment. Above all, we have to plug the black hole into which that money is disappearing. Money is leaving the country at the expense of the workforce who produce the goods that are sold abroad. Tremendous work is being done and production is high but the haemorrhage of money leaving the country is preventing and undermining job creation.

We have been receiving considerable EC funding since we joined the Common Market but farmers have been getting less than 20 per cent of the funds approved under the Common Agricultural Policy. We have been allocated £3 billion in structural funds because of our peripheral position in Europe — £500,000 million per annum — yet, we still have high unemployment. The highest monthly rates of unemployment for the past 18 months — indeed, in the history of the State — were recorded last December and January. The Minister for Finance said in his Budget Statement that unemployment levels would not go above 275,000 in 1992; yet a fortnight later there were 276,000 people out of work; he now admits that the number out of work may exceeds 300,000. What advice is the Minister getting? Why should he make such a statement in January and then, in February, realise that what he said was not only no longer valid but was out of line for the following 12 month period? Clearly he has no concept of the unemployment problem. Are those figures being compiled in the hope that people will emigrate if the position deteriorates further?

On the other side of the coin, we are faced with a colossal social welfare bill and if the unemployment level exceeds 300,000 there will be less money to create jobs. The more unemployment gets out of hand the more difficult it will be to get the necessary Exchequer funding to invest in productive job creation. The Government have talked about establishing a Dáil forum on jobs, but will the Seanad be represented on that forum? The Government have no desire to include the unemployed on that forum but, perhaps they will reconsider because if all interest groups are not represented, it will be regarded as a cynical exercise. A jobs forum should be established on a permanent basis and not just to deal with a crisis because we have never been able to provide an adequate number of jobs for our people. Therefore, this forum should be a permanent structure involving the trade unions the unemployed, voluntary organisations and State bodies as well as politicians. In that way there will be consensus on this issue not just among political parties but among the population as a whole.

Debate adjourned.
Sitting suspended at 1 p.m. and resumed at 2 p.m.
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