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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992

Vol. 134 No. 2

Adjournment Matters. - Policy on Political Asylum.

I welcome the Minister to the House. The Department and Minister for Justice need to ensure that proper procedures in accord with international human rights and natural justice are put in place so that those seeking asylum in Ireland are humanely treated and their cases fairly considered.

I consider that existing procedures are totally inadequate to deal with those seeking asylum or refuge here from other countries. It is ironic that daily on television we see evidence of concern and generosity towards Somalia and Bosnia where people are enduring famine, strife and persecution. Help is forthcoming for people on their own soil but when attempts are made to flee famine or persecution and seek refugee status on Irish soil we treat refugees with hostility and suspicion. We are prepared to be humane and Christian as long as the problem remains abroad but God help them if they step on Irish soil. Our humanity and Christianity then goes out the door.

This motion is intended to ensure that the relatively small number of people who seek asylum in Ireland are given a fair and humane hearing and that they are not treated peremptorily. Independent and impartial procedures are necessary. In Ireland at present refugee matters are usually dealt with by emigration officers at the point of entry. These people have no special training or expertise in international refugee law nor knowledge of circumstances in the refugee's country of origin. They have no obligation to inform a refugee of their entitlements, whether to legal advice or to contact the United Nations High Commission for Refugees. Decisions are generally made by the Department of Justice on the basis of a flimsy and limited interview and investigation conducted by the emigration officers. If there is a review of the application or an appeal it is done through the United Nations High Commission for Refugees, not on the basis of direct information from the refugee but on a phone call to London, on the basis of notes or on a past interview. It is not a full, thorough and comprehensive investigation; the necessary information is not made available.

The 1951 Convention and the 1967 Protocol relate to the status of refugees and defines it clearly:

A refugee is a person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or owing to such fear is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country.

We must incorporate that understanding into our legislative process and follow it with procedures to ensure that the letter and the spirit of that Protocol and convention are implemented. We need a proper impartial independent body with the necessary professional people; expertise to collect all appropriate information concerning the country from which the person has come; to know the law relating to refugee status; to be in a position to contact and liaise with the United Nations High Commission for Refugees and to be able to conduct a proper prima facie interview and, later, an in depth interview with the person seeking asylum. The right to appeal must be clearly outlined with clear procedures for appeal and the person in question must be clearly informed of that right.

The procedures should be properly observed, not by means of telephone or peremptory notes but in a formal written form. At present people requesting asylum here are detained in prison cells and in Garda stations. Garda stations in this city have cells specifically designated for the detention of aliens where they may spend considerable lengths of time. We know they have spent time in prisons such as Limerick, normally, Cork, occasionally and particularly Mountjoy for six, seven or eight months without either being released or having their case dealt with. We must ensure that that situation comes to an end.

To give an idea of the increasing numbers of people looking for asylum in this country, in 1986 the figure was 19, in 1992 the figure was 31, but in 1990 it was 62. I am not sure of the reason for the variations here. In 1986 four requests for asylum were recognised. In 1991 one was granted, so we have a very low recognition rate principally because of the inadequate and peremptory nature of our investigative procedures.

I ask the Minister to look at the 1951 Convention and at the 1967 Protocol and to draft legislation in accordance with those provisions to clearly define the status of refugee; to establish a procedure which would incorporate an independent body with authority and expertise to examine each case; to faciliate liaision with the United Nations High Commission for Refugees in London, and to include an appeals mechanism so that people fleeing persecution, imprisonment or possible execution abroad will not be received with hostility here or put on the next plane or the next boat home. That is the effect of present procedures.

As Senator Costello has rightly pointed out, Ireland is a party to the 1951 United Nations Convention and the 1967 Protocol on the Status of Refugees. Government policy on political asylum, and indeed the policy of previous Governments of whatever party, is and has been fully in accordance with our international obligations arising under these agreements.

A procedural agreement giving effect to our commitments at the domestic level was negotiated in December 1985 with the United Nations High Commission for Refugees. That agreement was negotiated by the then Minister for Justice, Deputy Noonan (Limerick East), who was a member of a Government which included representatives of Senator Costello's party. These arrangements continue to be operative and apply in all cases where an application for asylum is being examined.

The 1985 arrangements provide a comprehensive and fair framework within which the examination of an application for political asylum takes place. The provisions set out to ensure that the applicant is given every opportunity to present his case in an environment conducive to establishing the facts of the case. The agreement allows as well for the participation of the office of the UN High Commission for Refugees in the consideration of each application.

It would be useful, perhaps if I were to set out in some detail how the procedures actually work in practice. Persons who request refugee status at Irish ports or at the Department of Justice are interviewed initially by an immigration officer. Every facility is afforded applicants to allow them to make their case in as comfortable a surrounding as possible. The services of an interpreter are provided where necessary and the applicant may have a legal adviser present if he or she so wishes. Each application is then forwarded to the London representative of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, who is accredited to Ireland, as well as to the Department of Foreign Affairs for their observations. When these views are obtained in due course, each case is submitted to the Minister for Justice personally for decision. In the case of an applicant who wishes to travel to a third country the above procedures are also followed, in addition to consultation with the relevant embassy of the country to which the person wishes to travel.

It should also be emphasised that even where an applicant for political asylum fails in his or her application they are not necessarily removed from the State. Some have been allowed to stay on humanitarian grounds while others have been permitted to remain pending their admission to a third country.

I am satisfied that the existing procedures are satisfactory and continue to provide an appropriate means of meeting our international commitments. The policy of the Government towards refugees is to be as positive as possible in considering their status here and we take our responsibilities in this regard very seriously indeed. I would like to take this opportunity to assure the House that the procedures followed in these matters were endorsed by the United Nations High Commission for Refugees last year. One point I would also like to underline here and now is that no Minister for Justice has ever disagreed with the views of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees on whether an applicant for political asylum is or is not entitled to such status.

Senator Costello stated that applicants for political asylum are put in jail while their applications are being considered. They are not. There is no question of people who come to this country legitimately and who apply for refugee status being put in prison. Those detained are people who come here illegally, are refused leave to land or are being returned home — even so, it is not true in all cases. These people are in prison of their own free will and, in the words of a High Court Judge last year, can attain their freedom any day they wish by simply leaving the country.

That is cold comfort.

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