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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 21 Oct 1993

Vol. 137 No. 12

International Development Association (Amendment) Bill, 1993 [ Certified Money Bill ]: Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The purpose of this Bill is to authorise a contribution of £13 million by the Irish Government to the tenth replenishment of the resources of the International Development Association.

I apologise for the absence of the Minister for Finance. He would very much like to have been here but he is caught up on other business. As the Minister explained to the Dáil, the International Development Association, or IDA for short — not to be confused with our own IDA — is an affiliate of the World Bank. It was established in 1960 and complements the work of the Bank by lending to the poorer developing countries on much more favourable terms than are possible for the Bank itself. Like the World Bank, IDA provides assistance to high priority investment projects and general sectoral economic adjustment programmes in member countries. Basically, IDA is different from the World Bank in two ways; how it obtains its funds, and how it lends out its funds.

The World Bank operates really like a commercial bank. It raises most of its funds by borrowing on the world's capital markets and on-lends these funds, with only a small mark up to cover expenses, to a wide range of developing countries. IDA, on the other hand, is mostly funded by regular replenishments or grant contributions from its richer member countries. These resources need to be replenished from time to time, normally at three-year intervals. The IDA 10 negotiations were completed in late 1992 and this replenishment will cover the period from 1 July 1993 to 30 June 1996. Since its inception back in 1960, IDA has been a major source of highly concessional financing for the poorest countries. Typically, IDA loans are for a 35 to 40 year duration. They have a ten year grace period before repayment begins. IDA does not charge interest, only a service charge of less than 1 per cent of the outstanding balance. Thus these loans are very attractive for developing countries.

IDA's role is one which finds great support from Ireland. This is because its focus of attention is firmly on the poorest of the poor developing countries. This is directly in line with a general Irish Overseas Aid priority, namely, to provide assistance to poorer developing countries. Within this, IDA plays a key role in the economic and social development and thrust of development within those countries. Its purpose is not to provide short term humanitarian aid — timely and welcome as that is — but to create the conditions in which the countries themselves can permanently raise the living standards of their peoples.

Its lending programmes are primarily aimed at providing resources for investment projects that are not only essential for the economic and social development of the borrowing country but also technically and economically sound. IDA also lends for more comprehensive economic programmes which facilitate the long term growth of the economy or of a particular sector. In recent years it has increasingly provided financial aid to enable poor countries to introduce and implement urgent economic policy reforms and structural adjustments.

As I mentioned earlier, only the very poorest countries can benefit from IDA lending. Generally, only countries which have a per capita income of $765 of less (in 1991 dollars) are eligible for these loans. Exceptions are maintained for small island economies and for temporary assistance to a category of countries which have per capita incomes above the cut-off level but are not creditworthy for World Bank lending. As a result, IDA lending is generally concentrated in the poorer, densely populated countries of Asia and the least developed areas of sub-Saharan Africa. Today, some 70 countries are eligible for IDA funding. Examples of these range from Angola, Lesotho and Zambia in Africa, to China, India and Egypt which are also eligible, as well as the poorest countries in South Asia, Central and Latin America and most recently the poorest countries in Eastern Europe, for example, Albania.

Each year IDA finances about $6.5 billion in new lending to these countries. Overall IDA has supported 1,100 projects which in turn support overall investments of some $83 billion. Over 45 per cent of IDA's financial support goes to sub-Saharan Africa and the same percentage to Asia.

The donor resources made available to IDA during the ninth replenishment were scheduled to be fully committed by June of this year. In anticipation of this, the representatives of the donor Governments began substantive negotiations for the tenth replenishment in January 1992. After five formal negotiating sessions, one of which was held in Dublin, the deputies reached agreement last December on a replenishment of SDR 13 billion. An SDR is a special drawing right and is the unit of account used by the IMF. One SDR is equivalent to about one Irish pound at the moment. However, IDA's lending power during the three-year period is now estimated at about SDR 16 billion or $22 billion equivalent. This is higher than the earlier estimate of 15.5 billion SDR. The full extra 3 billion SDR is made up of repayment commitments from earlier IDA loans and the recently approved transfer of $375 million equivalent from the World Bank's surplus account. This amount could be added to by further transfers from the net income or profit of the World Bank.

During the negotiations it was agreed that IDA should continue to focus on three main objectives in order to support economic development in the poorest countries. The first of these was poverty reduction, the second was economic adjustment and growth, and the third, environmental protection and improvement. These objectives remain an accurate reflection of the key development challenges facing the poorest countries. We expressed satisfaction with the recent sharpening of IDA's poverty reduction focus, including provision to Bank staff of comprehensive operational guidance on poverty issues and increases in the shares of IDA lending for poverty targeted investments and social sector projects.

IDA attaches great importance to the completion of country poverty assessments for all major IDA recipients by the end of 1994. IDA continues to emphasise social sector lending and poverty targeted investments, that is investments that disproportionately benefit the poor or have specific mechanisms for identifying and reaching the poor. We expect that the higher shares of poverty-targeted investment and social sector lending which were achieved during IDA 9 will increase steadily during the tenth period. IDA was asked to attach special importance to its efforts in two areas — women in development and family planning. IDA was also urged to expand its support for social services for women, including, in particular, education of girls.

As far as economic adjustment and growth were concerned, IDA's support for adjustment had been strengthened in a number of ways during that ninth period. For example, social safety nets are increasingly being built into adjustment operations to help protect the poor and enhance the sustainability of the adjustment effort, and lending allocations are increasingly being influenced by a country's economic performance.

The participating countries cited a number of aspects of adjustment to which particular attention might be given in the years ahead. IDA's executive directors were asked to keep track of how closely public expenditures reflected development priorities and of efforts that were being made to reduce non-development expenditures, including military expenditures, to the maximum extent feasible. This is an important point as I do not think any of us can support a situation where confessional assistance is being offered to a country which at the same time is engaged in other wasteful expenditures.

The continuing constraint to development prospects that is imposed by high levels of outstanding debt in many countries was noted. The Minister for Finance spoke of this problem at the annual meetings of the World Bank and IMF in Washington recently. The Minister called for a special debt relief package to be formulated for sub-Saharan Africa and the other poorest regions. What was asked for then was a substantial write-off of debt at least in line with the so-called Trinidad terms. Senators will be aware that these terms call for, among other things, the write-off of two thirds of the debt of low-income developing countries. Certainly, the Minister took note of the views expressed on this issue, sent to him by the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs, before he made his speech in Washington. Without some new initiative to reduce debt, these countries have really no prospect of developing on the lines we demand of them.

Much of the recent effort to address this problem comes from the work of voluntary organisations. In this context I would like to acknowledge the contribution of the non-governmental organisations, or NGOs, in highlighting the impact of excessive debt. Several of these agencies have an impressive track record in working to ease the lot of the poorest. We should respect their considered opinion which is based on experience in the field.

Environmental protection and improvement is the third major goal for IDA in this tenth programme. This is an objective close to us in Ireland and in this context I welcome, in particular, IDA's intention to increase involvement by non-governemental organisations in the design and implementation of projects. I know this will be particularly welcomed by our non-governemental organisations such as Concern, Trócaire, Goal, the Irish Red Cross and Gorta. We are all extremely proud of the efforts of these groups and the people working for them in the developing world. I am certain that greater consultation between IDA personnel and these groups will enhance the effectiveness of IDA's projects and programme.

During the negotiations the representative of donor States reviewed three criteria for allocating funds, namely, per capita income, performance, and creditworthiness. As I mentioned it was agreed that the operational cut-off of per capita income be left at the same real level as in IDA's ninth programme. In addition IDA was asked to reduce its allocations to more creditworthy countries and we recommended that assistance to these countries be directed primarily to poverty focused activities or those that promote environmental sustainability. It was also agreed that resources allocated to sub-Saharan Africa would, subject to performance, be maintained at between 45 per cent and 50 per cent of the total. We also attach great weight to the timely completion and high quality of national environmental action plans that are prepared, with IDA assistance, by all active borrowers.

The ways in which these resources are allocated, by country and by sector, is a key determinant of the effective implementation of its policies. The negotiators reaffirmed that first, IDA should focus its efforts on those countries that have demonstrated their commitment to IDA's three main objectives, secondly, access to IDA resources should be based on annual assessments of performance, with allocations related to the strength of countries' commitments to the three main objectives, and thirdly, that in countries where performance is lax, lending should be limited to the minimum needed to maintain the policy dialogue.

I want to return to the funding of IDA 10 and Ireland's share of that funding. As Senators can imagine, the size of the tenth replenishment was the subject of extensive discussions during the negotiations, as were the relative contributions of the different member countries. The Minister for Finance had the pleasure of meeting many of the negotiators and World Bank or IDA personnel when Ireland hosted one of the negotiating sessions in Dublin Castle in July 1992. The great support for IDA was clearly evident among almost all the richer nations. It was also apparent that the negotiators from different countries came with different objectives for the future of IDA and different degrees of interest in aid. These varying objectives of the 34 or so donor countries are only gradually reconciled into a consensus about IDA's funding and its objectives. In short, there have to be compromises, as in all aspects of life it seems.

In addition, the negotiations took place against a backdrop of widespread recessionary conditions. As a result, and after protracted discussions, it was decided to recommend a replenishment of 13 billion SDRs. I have to say that this was less than I would have hoped for. Indeed, this sum of almost 13 billion SDRs was only reached when a number of countries, including Ireland, pledged supplementary contributions, over and above their agreed share. Ireland's basic share of 0.11 per cent called for a contribution of 14.3 million SDRs. Subject to Dáil and Seanad approval the Minister agreed to make this contribution and a supplementary contribution to IDA 10 to 15.4 million SDRs. This amount translates into £13 million at an exchange rate taken during the period March to June 1992. This is the amount for which the Seanad is now being asked to vote approval.

Ireland's membership of IDA was authorised by the International Association Act, 1960. Our contributions to the various replenishments have each been authorised by amendments to that Act. This Bill will enable us to make our contribution to the replenishment tenth programme, IDA 10. I therefore recommend the Bill for the approval of the House.

I welcome the Minister to the House. I can understand and appreciate that the Minister for Finance is engaged in the Dáil.

The Minister is making compromises in another House. We all have to live with realities.

That is precisely my point. I fully understand that the Minister is engaged in the Dáil and I am not——

I accept the Senator's remarks. The Senator is always understanding of these matters.

I support and welcome this important Bill. From the establishment of IDA, the Fine Gael Party has supported the thrust and the work of this association. It is important and positive work and it is essential that there be a structure of this kind. This association is part of the World Bank and is its human face. Its intention is to provide assistance to the world's developing countries. This Bill, which has been approved by the board of governors of the association, in addition to other commitments, will result in assistance of approximately £15.2 billion. Ireland's contribution to the association is £13 million. A definite commitment by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund to help the poor, the destitute and the dying in many of these countries is essential.

Moneys allocated and work done by the World Bank should be carefully examined to ensure they are properly channelled to and used for the development of people in developing countries and not used by some countries — Ireland is not one of them — for profit or exploitation. Even though member states have the goodwill and dedication to ensure developing countries receive assistance, many bigger and more powerful western countries have used their power and influence to enable them to use some of these moneys for profit and to expand multinational firms in their own countries. As an independent nation we must have a positive policy to ensure this does not happen.

The Minister made some points with which I agree. It is essential that the IDA focuses on the poor in developing countries. It must also ensure that technology in such countries is understood by the people there and that proper education is provided to enable them to continue using it. Many years ago, as a member of the Overseas Aid and Development Committee, I visited Tanzania and saw some of the machinery used in factories there. In Ireland we have introduced safety at work regulations but from my observation of the local inhabitants working this machinery I imagine that they faced a high risk of injury. I would be unhappy with much of the machinery used. I do not know what it cost at the time but it was certainly unsafe and would have resulted in breakdowns and problems. It would have been obsolete in Ireland 30 years ago.

The money provided by the IDA should be spent with great care. There is a danger that organisations and agencies, such as banks and governments, will continue to exploit many of these peoples. Ireland's record is good. As a nation which has suffered from famine, deprivation and the deaths of millions of our people, we should be more conscious than most of the similar suffering of other countries and we should use our influence to help alleviate it. I commend the work of, and pay tribute to, the President, Mrs. Robinson, and the former Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Andrews. They both visited Africa and saw at first hand the enormity of the problems facing the continent.

We support what is happening in relation to these moneys. It is important that we re-examine the level of our aid contributions. Our contribution as a proportion of our GNP decreased from 0.62 to 0.17 per cent during the period 1986 to 1992. It decreased by £2.6 million between 1991 and 1992.

The people of the Third World lost an excellent ambassador in Bishop Casey. I pay tribute to the work he did. I met him many times over the years during my involvement with this issue. He has benefited many people throughout Africa and they will always retain the highest possible opinion of his work. This House should pay tribute to him for his tireless work on behalf of the people of the Third World.

This Bill is important and is part of a continuing process. In a few years we will probably be seeking further replenishments of the fund. I welcome the Bill. We will support it during all stages.

I, like Senator Enright, support the Bill. It is important but we should put it in context. We are talking about replenishing a fund which is intended to maintain the income of people in the Third World who have a per capita income of $765 a year. This fund will only maintain the per capita income in these countries at £10 a week. This level of funding by members of the association, including Ireland and countries which are called section one countries, is not sufficient. The amount should be increased because the International Development Association plays a much better role in the provision of material resources to people in the Third World than its main agent, the World Bank. The World Bank is a disgrace. We have read of the enormous amounts of money spent by the directors of the World Bank to provide material items for themselves in Washington. If half, a quarter, a tenth or a hundredth of this money was spent in Third World countries, there would not be so great of a problem there.

Ninety per cent of the problems, particularly in the Saharan area, have been associated with European colonisation. The former colonialist states should be playing a much more forceful part in helping them. Desertification is the major problem in these areas. The colonisers changed traditional farming methods over the years from a slash and burn type of farming to a deep ploughing method which means that when rain comes, the soil is eroded because there is nothing to hold it. As a result, these areas get poorer and poorer. The countries, particularly those in Europe, who colonised the Saharan area should greatly increase their replenishment funds to the International Development Association.

I am delighted that at the recent meeting of the World Bank in Washington, the Minister for Finance raised the question of debt write-off. It is essential that debt write-off be part of the strategy to help poorer countries. The World Bank has supposedly been delivering help to these countries but, in fact, the bank has been a net gainer over the past number of years from its lending to debt-ridden countries. In Africa it has made enormous profits from its lending. The World Bank is getting money back from areas which it is supposed to be helping. The amount of money which officials who travel on World Bank business spend is disgraceful. They will only travel firstclass and will only stay in first class hotels. They will not do anything unless they receive the highest possible level of expenses. It is obscene how World Bank officials treat the people in these poverty stricken countries.

Ideally, I would like to see the money which we are giving to the International Development Association sent directly on a bilateral basis to be used by the countries of the Third World, rather than through the World Bank. When we do things on a bilateral basis the people in the country to which we give the money benefit far more than when it goes through a third agency which hives off enormous sums. I must agree with Senator Enright who mentioned Bishop Casey, John O'Shea and all the people who have been associated with non-Government organisations in this country. The work which they have done can be seen and is not just an ad hoc job. They provide an infrastructural basis for the future of these countries rather than just throwing money at a problem. It is target based. The success of Trócaire, Gorta, Goal and the other agencies indicates that a bilateral focus is better than just sending money directly to the International Development Association — although it is the soft loan part of the World Bank and does better work than the other parts of the World Bank.

It is difficult to focus on where the problems will arise. Problems are arising because of natural and unnatural reasons throughout the world. Unfortunately, developing countries have an instability which creates problems whereby the per capita income is kept very low. We must ask the major countries who are supplying armaments to the poorest countries why they are doing this when they know the last thing these countries need is to be fighting each other. They become even poorer and then the United Nations or other outside agencies must be called in to sort it out.

The Trinidad Terms, which were mentioned by the Minister, would give in World Bank terms a certain amount of alleviation of debt to many of the poorer countries. I hope that what the Minister for Finance expressed at the recent meeting in Washington will be taken on board by the World Bank. The Government is taking a good stance on poverty throughout the world and I am glad that a plan was produced recently on overseas development aid which I know will be of benefit to the poorer regions. We can make a significant impact in highlighting these problems and giving as much material aid as possible. Our aid to these countries should be on the basis of training them to produce in the future.

The Minister of State in her speech mentioned some countries which are recipients of International Development Association funds. One would ask why China should be a recipient when, if it harnessed its resources, it would be one of the richest countries in the world. Aid is given to most of the countries in southeast Asia, central and Latin America, eastern Europe, Angola, Lesotho and Zambia. If the war in Angola was resolved and if UNITA, MPLA and the other warring factions in Angola could come together, Angola would be one of the richest countries in Africa. We see poverty in western Africa which is not natural but is created by the greed of certain people, particularly within the states of Africa. However, that is for them to sort out.

I am glad that the Irish Government is giving more than it was asked to give. I mentioned $765 as being the per capita income but I have a note which refers to countries with a per capita income of $635 or less, which would be about £8 a week. Maintaining an income of £8 a week will not do much to help these people. However, as long as Ireland either remains the same as other countries or gives more than most in per capita terms, we will have done a good job. The £6.7 billion which the IDA gave out is a drop in the ocean. I hope more money will be given to the IDA, rather than the World Bank which is not supporting the poorer countries. It is like the International Olympic Committee: where no one knows how the money is spent.

I am glad the Minister of State at the Department of Enterprise and Employment, Deputy O Rourke, is here this morning. I ask her to take on board the debt write-off. This is part of the Trinidad agreement, which gives a basis for hope that the World Bank will become a more caring institution. I hope more money will be given to the International Development Association, instead of to the World Bank.

I welcome the Minister of State to the House and I speak in favour of our contribution to the International Development Association. Our contribution to such an organisation is, to say the least, helpful to economies which can hardly afford to carry on their affairs. When we mention a figure of US$765, we are talking about IR£500. This allows a person to live on an average of £10 a week. However, averages are dangerous. For example, if two people have £18 and £2 respectively, the average is £10.

One must take into account that the £13 million earmarked for the Government to give to these countries, at a service charge rate, greatly helps their development. Ireland has done well in its contribution to the Third World and developing countries. We have seen how Ireland has helped through its personnel. We should support the great work being done by Irish personnel in developing countries by sending money to the International Development Association. This would help in projects to relieve poverty and to develop proper environmental control. The greatest dangers these areas face relate to poverty and the environment.

It is important that the International Development Association gives money to these countries at a service charge rate because they would not be able to afford it if the money was lent at a commercial interest rate. For example, if one gets a loan from any banking organisation it will have doubled over five years if one has made no repayment. Therefore, it is good that the service charge is the only amount payable by the developing countries.

Money must be spent on projects which will show people how to help themselves. In an East African country Irish personnel encouraged the people to change their method of agriculture. As a result, they were able to increase their production considerably. Leaders with conservative ideas can often have a harmful effect on development. Educating people to accept change is important in any discussion on foreign aid, but countries which have made changes have often been hit by famine. As a result, people are afraid to change from what is keeping them alive because they might have nothing next year. Therefore, money which is sent from Ireland should be used to educate people.

Tremendous work is being done by the non-governmental organisations in Ireland and throughout the world and often it is not appreciated. There are no Government grants and people must collect money on a door-to-door basis which is used effectively abroad. It is often said that people go abroad to work, yet many of these individuals either receive a pittance or work voluntarily. We cannot speak highly enough of these workers, particularly those in the non-governmental organisations.

I support the use of this money for environmental protection. Contaminated water can often cause the spread of disease. One can drink a glass of water in Ireland, but water in these countries can be infected. Disease spreads rapidly in warm countries. Water which looks clear can often be contaminated and people can contract serious diseases from it. Consequently, money is used to improve the environment and prevent water contamination.

There are some exceptions to the $765 rule, as we will call it. Small island economies and areas which are slightly above the cut-off point may also be helped.

This is the tenth replenishment of the International Development Association. The last nine have been sufficiently successful to warrant our support for this one, particularly in the areas of poverty reduction and economic adjustment and growth and for environmental protection and improvement.

Money is being spent in Eastern Asia, sub-Saharan Africa and the poorer countries of South and Latin America. I am glad that Albania, a poverty stricken country, is included in Europe. It is a short distance across the Adriatic Sea from the EC to Albania. Money given to these countries will be well spent. The allocation is based on the per capita income, that is, the $765 I mentioned. However, performance will also be very important as will creditworthiness. Ireland's contribution of 15.4 million SDRs will do much good work in an area where there is heartbreak and death as a result of disease and lack of money. It is only a small amount when we think of the money spent by military powers on weapons and armaments.

I welcome the Minister and this legislation which is an important and significant, if relatively small, amount of aid in respect of a problem which is deteriorating at an alarming pace. Some three billion people live in the poorest countries in the world. The world's population is increasing at the rate of 100 million a year and the biggest increase is in the poorest countries. There is evidence which indicates that the disparity between the rich and the poor is increasing at an alarming rate. Against that background, every effort that can be made by the international community and by ourselves as part of the international community to come to grips with that deteriorating situation is welcome and worth while.

Over the years Ireland has, in its aid programme, endeavoured to target its assistance at the people who need it most in the poorest countries. In the countries in which the IDA are operating and in which the main thrust of Ireland's aid programme is centred, people live on roughly a dollar a day. It brings home to us that there are billions of people suffering from starvation, malnutrition, lack of basic facilities like water and sewage systems and who have little if any educational facilities or opportunities. The situation has deteriorated to the stage where food and food aid is almost as important now as weapons of war have been in the past 40 or 50 years.

It is significant that in many of the countries where there are problems of famine, starvation and deprivation, one finds large debts and almost unmanageable economic problems. The situation has led in many cases to conflict. The conflict which we see at present in Angola, Mozambique, Sudan and other countries has been brought about to a large extent by the fact that they have lacked the services I mentioned and basic food requirements in many cases are not available.

Throughout the world there are 17 million refugees and 20 million displaced people in the poorest countries. Since the United Nations was established in 1945 there have been 100 conflicts throughout the world and over 20 million people dead. These are frightening and alarming facts which we must face in the ever demanding battle between the rich and the poor.

I had the opportunity to meet many of the non-governmental agencies who have been involved in helping to fight these problems in the less developed countries. The volume of commitment by many young people is impressive. Public opinion in this country, among young people in particular, demands that we take urgent action to deal with the crisis facing the international community. It is a crisis which can only be resolved by co-operation between member states of the international community, the donor states in particular, but above all by the direction of essential finances and vital aid to areas which urgently need this help.

I am glad that the Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs is here. He is quite familiar with the problem. He has travelled in the less developed countries more extensively than any Minister in recent times.

Even more than the Senator himself.

He has been through Sudan and Somalia and came back with some scars from that.

It brings home to us the serious crisis which threatens these areas and the necessity to give some direction to the International Development Association and the international monetary organisations, the World Bank and others. They should be told that there are huge problems and that the aid which we are donating, whether it be emergency aid or otherwise, is to a large extent cancelled out by the large debts and international trade barriers which prevent the development of some of these countries.

When I had the opportunity to speak to some of the political leaders in Tanzania, they were urgently pointing out the necessity for some concessions for their banana, coffee and cocoa producers to help them in the international market. They were making the point that if we were in a position to give them favourable concessions in international trading arrangements, it would be as beneficial as the money which we are donating in international and emergency aid.

Living conditions deteriorated significantly in the 1980s and in recent years. Economic growth has averaged out at about 2.5 per cent which is well below the population increase and incomes per head of population are falling to an average annual income of less than $200. Agriculture production rates are falling as well. The impact of financial debts, in some cases the impact of mismanagement by government but in many cases the impact of severe drought suffered by many African countries in the last number of years, has ensured that more problems will arise in the future. The rural populations in many of the developing countries will be further hit and the under privileged sections of the community will be further damaged.

It is necessary to work towards restoring peace in many of these countries and that is why our continued involvement in the effort to find peaceful solutions to some of the problems must continue. Some 20 years of war in Africa has left the continent devastated. The famine, starvation, malnutrition and lack of basic facilities have brought havoc to the population of these countries. We must continue our effort to find ways in which peace can be established.

I compliment the Irish Government's efforts in this regard and the Irish personnel who are serving in places such as Somalia. I compliment them on the success of their missions to date. I support them because they all have families here who are making a big sacrifice to help restore peace and stability in these countries. I urge the Minister of State and the Government to continue to devote attention to the provision of additional funding and the drafting of some additional incentives which will help to alleviate the problems these people are experiencing.

We are very glad to welcome this legislation and urge the Minister for Finance in particular to use his influence in international fora to find further solutions to the crippling debt burden. I am aware that the Minister recently attended a very important meeting in that regard. We had the opportunity recently in the Foreign Affairs Committee of being advised by Oxfam personnel. We also had representations from other agencies like Trócaire, Concern and Campaign Aid who asked us, as members of the Foreign Affairs Committee, to use our influence and to ask the Minister to use his considerable influence in international fora to direct the attention of international banking to the necessity of alleviating the burden of debt repayment which is crippling these economies and leaving hundreds of millions of people threatened with starvation. The developing countries as a result are in a worse state today than they have ever been.

I compliment the work of the Minister, the Minister of State and the Government for their work in this area. They have made a valuable contribution towards improving Ireland's standing on the international stage in the last year or so. This must be continued and accelerated. I also compliment the voluntary organisations and agencies who are working diligently in terrible conditions in those communities to fight the problems which are causing hardship and starvation. We must use every opportunity and influence we have in international fora to reduce the ever increasing disparities between the rich and the poor and to help alleviate those problems.

This is a significant contribution; it is welcome although it is small and I would like if it were larger. However, it is a worthwhile and meaningful contribution.

I am glad to have the opportunity to contribute to this debate but I wish it were in other circumstances. The Lower House has been adjourned apparently due to a total lack of understanding or acceptance of certain facts that may or may not have emerged. I will refrain from commenting on that matter. We will resume the debate on that issue later but I await with interest the conclusion of the Commission meeting in the afternoon.

An Leas-Chathaoirleach

I ask the Senator to speak on the subject before the House.

I am concerned about developments that have emerged overnight. I made my contribution yesterday on the basis of a certain understanding.

The issue before the House at present is of great importance for deprived countries. I welcome, as my colleague Senator Daly did, the contribution from the Government and the continuing support for the International Development Association. Ireland's role in this regard has been significant and has developed considerably since I represented that interest as Minister for Foreign Affairs from 1977 to 1979. What I must say will not be critical of the attempts of Government and particularly of the non-governmental agencies at home and the community at large to bring about a just, fair and equitable balance in the world economic order.

No matter how much we contribute to the International Development Association Fund we would have to acknowledge that it is a reaction and an attempt to cope with the great disparity in the world economic order. Far from improving matters, the condition of most developing countries is constantly disimproving to the point that it now manifests itself more than ever before in outbreaks of hostilities within the countries that are suffering from grinding poverty. Fifteen years ago when I was involved in this area there were skirmishes in various countries from time to time but now the constant feature in these countries is the violence which adds to the burden and crushing penalties on the people who live there.

Those hostilities could not be maintained much less conducted at the present level of violence were it not for the armaments industry of the developed world supplying these impoverished creatures with the means of heaping further suffering on each other. There is a terrible lack of public morality in the conduct of the major world powers at this time and we are fooling ourselves and them if we allow them to think that people are not aware of the source of the armaments which are sold for considerable profit — and that seems to be the only motive — to the various factions in the developing countries. That has been one of the most unwelcome features of the international economic order because it is a source of profit not just for arms dealers but for governments. That scandalous fact must be underlined by our Government at these fora. We owe it to the people in those developing nations not to have the privileged ones add to their oppression, and there are many examples of that throughout the world.

The second scandal also relates to the international economic order. We are aware of what Marcos did in the Phillippines and what the generals and dictators did in South America, Iran and other countries. The suffering of the people whom they have brutalised is all too obvious. Are we not equally aware that there are established banking systems which encourage such plunder of the poor and oppressed? We should be heard to scream against that scandal. The Swiss banking system — perhaps the establishment banking system in the world — has been based on secret numbered accounts in which any dictator, tyrant, pirate or criminal at the highest level of international crime can conceal his or her funds; they will have a safe and secret haven in that banking system. What are we saying or doing about it? What do the international political representatives say about this scandal? When we meet at the World Bank, are we not prepared to say that if that scandalous secret banking system were not in operation there would be no facility for these dictators to rake off countless billions on the backs of the suffering people whom they have oppressed over the years? The world stays silent; it is part of the establishment.

For one reason or another, we do not want to point out that this is a scandal; but worse, instead of showing it up we seem to be engaging in a little of the same. Now it is a world of tax havens and tax shelters and we are competing with each other to find a safe haven for money that may have been, and in many cases will have been illegally obtained in various parts of the world. We cannot complain then if we suffer the natural consequences of an economic order in the world that is not based on morality but on the highest profit and quickest return from whatever activity, and we see this repeated throughout the world.

I will give one example. When Senator Enright and I were in Tunisia some time ago we met a representative of the Tunis based Arab League who told us about the Iran-Iraq conflict which was taking place at that time. It was causing countless deaths and destruction for individuals and, whether they were Iranians or Iraqis, we must remember that we are dealing with humans, individuals with dignity. Those who die in these conflicts are not the leaders; they are the poor oppressed people who go out as cannon fodder. We should never forget that the leaders may have their reasons for declaring and waging war, but those who go into the trenches now, as before, are not consulted.

We were told that the armaments industries of Europe were feeding that conflict and one country was supplying both sides. Countless thousands of Iranians and Iraqis and their families suffered because of that totally amoral approach to responsibility.

Whenever we go to these international fora we should not allow other countries to get away with the notion that we are opening up a new fund and that we will contribute our share, be it the replenishment now under way of £25 billion or £13 million, etc. The oppressed people need us to speak for them because we are a respected voice. The Government has maintained that level and status of respectability. We have no reason to be other than loud and consistent in our criticism of what has been one of the scandals of the world economic order which gives rise to the suffering we witness.

It is interesting that the case has been put by the developed countries in the context of the GATT that it is in the interests of the developing countries and that the free trade environment we are promoting in the GATT will have immediate beneficial effects for the developing countries. I do not want to cut across the main purpose and function of the GATT, which is to have a freer and more liberal world trading environment; however, let it be said that a free and liberal trading environment will also mean mobility of international investment on the basis that, all things being equal, there will be the highest degree of investment in the areas with the lowest wage levels. Investment follows low wage levels and we have seen many examples where the major multinational companies will have their main plants in the countries with the lowest wages — often below subsistence level. When conditions improve in those countries these amoral companies — not "immoral" but "amoral" because morality does not enter into it — have no difficulty shifting their base to another environment and the consequences of their mobility is a further penalty on those countries in which they have invested for the time being.

If we consider the international free trading environment we hope to see resulting from the GATT, we would want to be clear that we are not dealing with a highly principled world trading community nor with a highly principled world banking community. We are dealing with a community that sees nothing other than profit in all its forms. There is no doubt that while Communism has proved itself to be totally inadequate and an instrument of oppression and not advancement for the peoples on whom it has been imposed, we have to look openly at the capitalist system and ask ourselves if it is an instrument for the balanced and equitable development of the world economic order, and particularly if it will ease the problems of the developing countries. Major questions have to be addressed there. All the indications are that far from being an instrument of assistance and support, as often as not it is an instrument for exploitation. There is no point in our overlooking that.

We have seen this in our own case, although fortunately our position is not as serious a condition as other states. How often have we found that in a given situation which is in no way related to the conduct of affairs here — with Government pursuing strict programmes of economic management and falling inflation and interest rates — if the international environment changes investors move out? This is a good reason for us to maintain our own indigenous programme as a base for development.

I make these points because I think we are working on a false assumption if we conclude that no matter how much we contribute to the International Development Association Fund that in itself would be a major factor in relieving the oppressed peoples of the world from the burdens of their crushing poverty and suffering. We have here a new opportunity in a changing world environment. There will always be new opportunities. Some time ago a great Irishman, a man of great conviction, integrity and leadership and a man above men in the Ireland of this generation, Mr. Brendan O'Regan, who I am glad to say is still alive, promoted the idea of an international development desk. It has emerged to a degree but it has not developed to the point that we could be seen as a focal point for studies, research, co-operation, support, services and investment.

I would like to see Ireland, and particularly the mid-west region which Senator Daly represents and which would be uniquely suitable, become home to a world development centre with all the services required — education, investment, marketing, health etc. I would prefer to see that than an international financial services centre because the financial services operate on the basis of moving quickly.

I will not enter into such a debate now but this is one way to enhance the status of our country and the contribution it can and will make in the future. We should take every opportunity at this and other international fora not only to advance this cause but to ensure those countries in greatest need are helped.

Interestingly no country in the last 20 years has moved from the category of least developed countries to being able to support themselves in a normal trading environment. This Bill deals with the least developed countries, those targeted by the fund. One area previously regarded as undeveloped and now outstripping the EC is south-east Asia, collectively known as the ASEAN countries. To my knowledge none of those countries qualified for support from the International Development Association. The Philippines may have but I doubt if Indonesia, Malaysia or Singapore did. These countries are as good as any when it comes to trading internationally. They are now successful and fiercely competitive open economies.

They were classified as developing countries but were not among those targeted by the fund. The co-operation programme between the EC and the ASEAN countries in 1979-80 and subsequently could now be reversed, given the current state of European economies and the lack of conviction and direction in them. We may shortly see the ASEAN countries institute a support programme for the EC. That would be ironic if it happened.

I welcome this Bill. At every opportunity in international fora, Ireland should be heard loudly condemning repressive violence and in support of justice and equity in the world.

I am pleased to respond to this debate. I want to pay tribute to the role Senator Daly and Senator O'Kennedy have played when representing Ireland's position in advancing the cause of many countries, especially in Africa. I have been following in the footsteps of these men and can vouch for the quality of our aid programme. In this debate both Senators, and others, referred to our bilateral aid programme.

Much of our work is focused on the poorest of the poor. Our policy and that of the IDA is to provide sustainable development. Projects which stand out include the provision of clean water in Zambia, the provision of sanitation, health and education programmes and the involvement of women in those programmes.. The provision of health facilities in Lusaka is a shining example of sustainable development.

I welcome the quality and focus of this debate. However in any discussion of this matter we must be conscious of the quality of our bilateral aid programme and the work done by our NGOs. They are a credit to all of us and reflect the wish of the Irish people that we play a pro-active role. I welcome the IDA's intention to increase the involvement of NGOs in the design and implementation of projects.

Senator O'Kennedy referred to the figures for military spending. Every year, US$170 billion is spent by developing countries on military forces and US$38 billion was spent on arms imports. The military expenditure of some countries accounts for 10 per cent of GDP while social spending amounts to less than 5 per cent. Those are interesting figures.

Therefore military expenditure is twice as high as social expenditure. I am glad the Minister has brought that to our attention.

I have been speaking to someone with experience in foreign affairs who said civil unrest makes matters worse in many countries. Military supplies and spending are obscene in this context as far as I am concerned. Ireland is concerned with the way power is exercised in the countries to whom we lend and the World Bank agrees we must be.

I appreciate the constructive contributions made in this debate which reflect the view of the House that we must continue to contribute to developing countries as we have done in the past. Senator Enright's support for the Bill was most welcome. He mentioned the level of ODA as a percentage of GNP. In the Programme for a Partnership Government, spending is due to increase from 0.2 per cent of GNP this year to 0.4 per cent by 1997; the UN recommended level of 0.7 per cent is still our aim. This is a considerable achievement at a time when many of our EC colleagues are either cutting back or freezing their input. Our contribution has been widely welcomed.

At what stage will we be giving 0.4 per cent of GNP?

We have projected that the figures will reach 0.4 per cent by 1997. That should amount to £135 million and represents a considerable increase. Every year we have to put our case with the competing areas of spending but I am pleased to have the position of Minister of State with responsibility for overseas development at this time. I appreciate the role played by those who came before me, two of whom are here.

It should be acknowledged the contribution has been greatly increased since those days.

Senator Daly and Senator O'Kennedy referred to the appalling conditions in the Third World today and I share their concern. The statistics are staggering but sometimes they mask the cruel human reality in the world's poorest countries. Premature death, ill-health, illiteracy, hunger and a degraded environment are forces to be contended with daily. Later today, I will be meeting NGOs who will be reporting on the situation in Angola. I know the House is concerned that the Government will be active in this crisis and because the reports we receive are worrying. I will be keeping Senators informed of developments.

Senator Lanigan spoke about the World Bank and I understand his desire that there should be a minimum of bureaucracy and that everything should be done to get the aid directly to the poor. I support that, and that is the Government's policy. However, the World Bank does much good work. It is not a perfect organisation, it is run by 177 countries and compromise is necessary to achieve anything. The advantage of using the World Bank and IDA as a vehicle for our aid is that our contribution is multiplied, in other words, the bank and IDA use the money given to it to borrow money cheaply on the capital markets which is then lent to the poorest countries.

Senator Lanigan, Senator O'Kennedy, Senator Daly and Senator Calnan spoke about disarmament. I agree with them about military spending. This is a scandal and has caused a great deal of misery and human suffering. Senator Daly raised the Third World debt crisis. I share many of these concerns, especially those recently expressed by Oxfam. The burden of debt carried by the poorest countries is a major impediment to growth and is a factor preventing them from undertaking programmes and policy initiatives for their own sustainable development. I am conscious that the structural adjustment programmes which many developing countries have adopted often entail severe hardship.

Ireland has consistently argued in international financial institutions that the poorest sectors of society must be protected from the harsh economic and social impact of adjustment programmes. The Minister for Finance, Deputy Ahern, recently made that point in Washington at the annual meeting of the World Bank and the IMF when he called for a debt relief package for the poorest regions at least in line with the Trinidad terms. This proposal calls for the write off of two thirds of the debt of low income developing countries, among other things. I made my views known to the Minister in advance of this meeting and a good contribution was made by the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs. I am pleased to say that the Minister for Finance and my Department work closely on these issues.

The problem remains that much of the debt is outside the World Bank's remit. In other words, money is owed to governments and commercial banks. I hope to see movement on this issue this year, given the dire straits in which these countries find themselves.

Senator Calnan referred to the teaching and training necessary in the Third World and his support is appreciated in this regard. I assure Members that IDA is particularly interested in this area. The work of Ireland's NGOs is a credit to us. It gives Ireland a high status in international fora when negotiating positions.

We have a proud record in the developing world and continue to be firm supporters of the Bretton Woods institutions. Although they are not prefect institutions, they are a major positive force in the developing world in their efforts to alleviate poverty. IDA, the firm favourite with the Government, helps the poorest countries and links in with the priority countries in Ireland's bilateral aid programme which are sub-Saharan countries and eligible for IDA loans. In our aid programme we too are conscious of the need to create conditions for sustainable development with our development partners. We pay particular attention to the role of women and environmental issues, which are aspects stressed by IDA in its approach to development.

IDA's mandate has been to channel assistance to low income countries for development. It is the largest single source of multilateral concessional funds with an annual net disbursement of approximately $4 billion or 30 per cent of net concessional multilateral disbursements and 12 per cent of official development assistance. The association also helps mobilise and co-ordinate aid from other multilateral organisations and donor countries. IDA's involvement is often a catalyst for other bilateral aid donors and regional development banks to participate in providing assistance. Over the years it has provided capital for investment in all sectors of economic activity.

During the 1960s IDA financed mainly infrastructural projects, for example, it helped finance irrigation and drainage projects in India and Pakistan where greater agricultural output was vital to keep pace with growing populations. The association also supported the construction of highways and roads in Latin America, financed municipal water supply systems in cities such as Amman and helped build power plants and ports in other developing countries. During the 1980s greater emphasis was placed on economic and institutional reform and aid co-ordination. In the 1990s I am confident IDA will sharpen its focus on reducing poverty and on increasing its effectiveness in this area. I appreciate and I will bear in mind contributions made by Senators.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
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