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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 4 Dec 1996

Vol. 149 No. 11

Economic and Monetary Union: Statements.

I welcome the opportunity to address this House on the subject of Economic and Monetary Union. As today marks the first Seanad debate on this subject in recent times I will begin by briefly setting out the background to economic and monetary union, what it involves, the stages in it, the criteria for economic and monetary union and Ireland's performance against them, and the institutional aspects of economic and monetary union. I will then outline the opportunities and challenges that economic and monetary union will present for Ireland and give a short summary of the recent ESRI report, Economic Implications for Ireland of EMU, before turning to the preparations we need to make for it and the transition to the single currency, which will be called the Euro. I apologise in advance for the relative length of this speech but I have decided to treat the Seanad with the respect and seniority it deserves. I will outline for the House the work on economic and monetary union which has been going on under the Irish Presidency at the Council of Economic and Finance Ministers of the European Union or ECOFIN and the prospects for next week's special ECOFIN meeting and the Summit of EU Heads of State and Government in Dublin on 13 and 14 December.

To begin, economic and monetary union is not a new idea—it goes back to at least 1970. While its fortunes have varied since, the Community has never lost sight of it as a goal. The European Monetary System and its exchange rate mechanism, which were set up in 1979, were intended to be a move towards economic and monetary union and the single market programme of the late 1980s gave fresh impetus to it.

The Delors committee report of 1989, together with the European Commission report One Market, One Money of 1990, laid the foundations for the provisions on economic and monetary union that are set out in Articles 102a to 109m of the Treaty on European Union, otherwise known as the Maastricht Treaty. The treaty received widespread support in Ireland and the leaders of the four main political parties issued a joint statement urging a “yes” vote in the referendum on it held in June 1992. The treaty was endorsed by a substantial majority; just under 70 per cent of those who voted were in favour of it.

EMU essentially involves three inter-related elements: the establishment of a single currency among participating member states; the creation of a single monetary policy implemented by an independent European Central Bank; and closer co-ordination of the economic and budgetary policies of participating member states.

The treaty envisages economic and monetary union being approached in three stages. Stage one involved the completion of the single market and closer co-ordination of the economic and monetary policies of member states. Stage two began on 1 January 1994 and involves intensifying the co-ordination of member states' economic and monetary policies. This is based on multilateral surveillance of policies within the context of broad guidelines laid down by the Council of Ministers. Most importantly, stage two brought into being the excessive deficit procedure under Article 104c of the treaty. This requires an annual examination of each member state's budgetary performance to see if it meets the deficit rules laid down in the treaty, with the Council making a recommendation for ending the excessive deficit of any member state which does not meet them. An important aspect of stage two is the setting up of the European Monetary Institute or EMI. The EMI is the forerunner of the European Central Bank or ECB and has, inter alia, the task of indicating, by the end of 1996, the regulatory, organisational and logistical framework for the ECB to perform its tasks.

Stage three is the final stage of economic and monetary union. The Madrid European Council in December 1995 confirmed that stage three would begin on 1 January 1999, which is the latest date envisaged in the treaty. The ECB will have been established before then. On that date, the exchange rates of the currencies of participating member states will be irrevocably locked, the single currency, the Euro, will come into being and the ECB will begin operation of the single monetary policy in respect of it.

In early 1998, the European Council will decide which member states meet the criteria for moving to stage three. In fact, the treaty requires that there be such an examination by the end of this year but I will deal with this later. Before the European Council makes its decision in 1998, the Commission and the EMI must report to the ECOFIN Council on the performance of each member state against various criteria. The emphasis in the reports will be on the achievement of a high degree of sustainable convergence. ECOFIN will then assess whether each member state fulfils the necessary conditions for the adoption of a single currency and will recommend its findings to the European Council. The European Parliament will be consulted and will forward its opinion to the European Council also.

The criteria for economic and monetary union relate, first, to the avoidance of an excessive budget deficit, meaning that the general Government deficit must not exceed 3 per cent of GDP unless it has declined substantially and continuously and reached a level close to 3 per cent, or unless the excess over 3 per cent is small, exceptional and temporary and, second, the ratio of general Government debt to GDP must be below 60 per cent or, if above, must be sufficiently diminishing and approaching 60 per cent at a satisfactory pace.

There are also criteria in relation to inflation, interest rates and currency stability. These are as follows: average inflation must not exceed by over 1.5 per cent that of the three best performing member states; the average nominal long-term interest rate must not exceed by more than 2 per cent that of the three best performing member states in terms of price stability; the member state's currency must, without severe tensions, have respected the normal fluctuation margins of the ERM for two years before the examination and its central rate must not have been devalued on the member state's initiative against any other member state's currency in that period. The phrase "normal fluctuation margins" has not been defined since the widening of the ERM bands in August 1993. The Commission and EMI are required to report on other matters too. These include the compatibility between central bank legislation and the treaty obligation that the central banks of economic and monetary union members be independent, and the situation and development of the balance of payments on current account.

Ireland's performance on the convergence criteria is excellent and the Government is determined to maintain that record which has been shared by a number of Governments to which I pay tribute. The Irish pound trades comfortably in the ERM, our rate of inflation has been consistently low and our average nominal long-term interest rate is within the required ceiling.

As regards the fiscal criteria, our performance is among the very best in the EU. Our general Government deficit has been below 3 per cent of GDP every year since and including 1989, while our debt to GDP ratio has fallen from over 116 per cent in 1987 to around 81 per cent at the end of last year and is expected to be around 75 per cent at the end of 1996. Accordingly, though the ratio is above the treaty reference value of 60 per cent, it is nevertheless "sufficiently diminishing and approaching the reference value at a satisfactory pace". On the basis of our performance on the fiscal criteria, the European Commission has judged that we do not have an excessive deficit as defined in Article 104(c) of the treaty.

The excessive deficit procedure in the treaty was implemented in 1994 for the first time, and this judgment was made in respect of Ireland in 1994, 1995 and 1996. Ireland is one of only two member states — the other is Luxembourg — which has never been judged to have an excessive deficit. The Government's programme contains a clear commitment to keep our general Government deficit comfortably below 3 per cent of GDP, an objective which, given continued growth, will ensure that our debt to GDP ratio continues to decline. Accordingly, we should continue to escape censure under the excessive deficit procedure. Our performance in 1997 will be particularly important, since 1997 outturns will be used in arriving at the European Council decision in early 1998 on which member states qualify for economic and monetary union.

Keeping to the Maastricht criteria is vital from an economic and monetary union point of view, but in fact they make good sense in economic terms also. High Government borrowing has not proved to be a sound foundation for growth and jobs in the past and it would not provide a sound foundation for them in the future either. In the Irish case particularly, we have seen the negative effects of high borrowing, and it is no mere coincidence that we are achieving both high economic growth and high employment growth at a time when we have successfully demonstrated our ability to keep our deficit low and our debt ratio falling.

Ireland's position otherwise in relation to economic and monetary union is also favourable. We have growth levels much higher than the EU average, a balance of payments surplus and significant employment growth. In addition, the productive capacity of our economy is being strengthened significantly by investments being made under the Community support framework in particular, a factor which should further enhance our prospects. Furthermore, the age profile of our population is significantly more favourable than that in some of the other member states, and this should prove an advantage to us in the budgetary sphere over the coming years.

The House will appreciate that I do not propose to go into detail about the performance and prospects of other member states. It is common knowledge that the majority of member states meet the inflation and interest rate criteria and that it is the debt and deficit criteria which have been causing the greatest difficulty. However, I would point out that as economic and monetary union draws nearer, recent times have seen very determined efforts by member states to bring their public finances into line, particularly as regards their 1997 budgets, and this shows the depth of their commitment to the economic and monetary union project. It has also helped to reinforce the conviction, generated by the Madrid European Council and sustained by developments at EU level since, that economic and monetary union will happen, on time, on 1 January 1999.

While I am on the subject of sound public finances, the House will be aware that late last Autumn, Germany tabled proposals aimed at further ensuring that budgetary stability is maintained after the formation of economic and monetary union. Their rationale is that, in favourable times, member states should aim for budget deficits considerably below 3 per cent in order to ensure that they can reliably keep under the 3 per cent ceiling over the course of a normal economic cycle. I will set out later the current state of the discussions in this area.

I have described the foundation of price stability and fiscal responsibility on which the economic and monetary union project rests; we should now look at the building which will be erected on these foundations. Economic and monetary union essentially involves three elements: the establishment of the single currency; the creation of a single monetary policy implemented by an independent European central bank, the ECB; and closer co-ordination of member states' economic and budgetary policies. I will take these three elements in turn.

The establishment of the single currency, the Euro, will take place on 1 January 1999. Under Article 109L4 of the treaty, at that date the Council will adopt the conversion rates at which the currencies of the member states participating in economic and monetary union will be irrevocably fixed against each other and against the Euro, and it will become a currency in its own right. Euro notes and coins will be introduced into circulation by 1 January 2002 at the latest, and national currencies will have been completely withdrawn from circulation by 1 July 2002 at the latest.

Article 4(a) of the Maastricht treaty provides for the establishment of a European system of central banks (ESCB) and a European central bank (ECB) to operate the single monetary policy of the single currency. They will be set up in 1998 after the Council decision on which member states qualify for economic and monetary union. The primary objective of the ESCB, which will comprise the ECB and the central banks of the member states, will be to maintain price stability. Without prejudice to this objective, the ESCB will support the general economic policies in the Community with a view to contributing to the achievement of the Community's objectives. Briefly, these are to promote sustainable and non inflationary growth, a high level of employment and social protection, and economic and social cohesion and solidarity among the member states.

Article 109 of the treaty gives the Council of Ministers a clear role in the setting of exchange rate policy. It provides that the Council may, acting unanimously on a recommendation from the ECB or from the Commission, conclude formal agreements on an exchange rate system for the Euro in relation to non-Community currencies, having first consulted the ECB in an endeavour to reach a consensus consistent with the objective of price stability, and having also consulted the European Parliament. In the absence of such an exchange rate system in relation to one or more non-Community currencies, the Council, acting by a qualified majority, either on a recommendation from the Commission and after consulting the ECB or an a recommendation from the ECB, may formulate general orientations for exchange rate policy in relation to these currencies. These general orientations shall be without prejudice to the primary objective of the ESCB to maintain price stability.

The President of the Council of Ministers and a member of the European Commission may participate at meetings of the governing council of the ECB, although they will not have the right to vote, and the President of the Council may submit a motion for deliberation to the governing council. There will also be a role for the president of the ECB in relation to meetings of the Council of Ministers — ECOFIN — in that he or she will be invited to participate in such meetings when the Council is discussing matters relating to the ECB's tasks and objectives.

Provision is also made for accountability of the ECB. It must present an annual report on the activities of the ESCB to the European Parliament, the Council of Ministers and the European Commission as well as to the European Council. The report must cover the monetary policy of both the previous and the current year. The ECB's president will present this report to the Council and to the European Parliament, which may hold a general debate on it.

The ECB president and the other members of the executive board may be heard by the competent committees of the European Parliament, either on their own initiative or at Parliament's request. The ECB and the ESCB will be independent in implementing their tasks within these arrangements. Article 107 provides that neither the ECB nor a national central bank shall seek or take instructions from Community institutions or bodies or from the Government of any member state. Overall, these arrangements are very similar to those currently operating in Ireland where the Central Bank is independent but must operate within a framework for exchange rate policy set down by the Minister for Finance and present an annual report to the Oireachtas. The current governor agreed to initiate the practice of appearing before the Select Committee on Finance and General Affairs. Tragically, that was not the case in the past.

The last element of full economic and monetary union is closer co-ordination of the economic and budgetary policies of the member states. Apart from the ongoing process of multilateral surveillance of the consistency of member states' economic policies with the broad economic guidelines of the Union, the key point here concerns the excessive deficit procedure. The treaty provides that from the start of stage three, the procedure will be considerably strengthened.

In stage three, if a member state participating in economic and monetary union has an excessive deficit and persists in failing to put into practice the Council's recommendations, the Council may decide to give notice to it to take, within a specified time limit, measures for deficit reduction which the Council judges necessary to remedy the excessive deficit. Members may wish to consider that aspect carefully because it is a slow and deliberate procedure. If the member state fails to comply with such a Council decision, the Council may decide to apply sanctions. It may require the member state to publish specific additional information before issuing bonds and securities. It may invite the European Investment Bank to reconsider its lending policy towards the member state. It may require the member state to make a non-interest bearing deposit of an appropriate size with the Community until the excessive deficit has, in the Council's view, been corrected or it may impose fines of an appropriate size. An important point is that in making the various decisions referred to above, the vote of the member state whose deficit is at issue shall not be counted. This is to ensure the even handed application of the procedure.

I have described the process of moving towards economic and monetary union and the elements of economic and monetary union itself and it is appropriate to set out the reasons the European Union and member states set themselves the objective of achieving economic and monetary union. The main objectives are as follows: the elimination of transaction costs and exchange rate risk for trade, tourism and investment among participating member states; final completion of the Internal Market; low and fairly uniform interest rates among participating member states; promotion of price stability, sound public finances and sustained low inflation growth in participating member states; increased attractiveness of participating member states to foreign investment and a voice in decisions about the single monetary policy of the Union. We do not have this voice at present. For example, when the Bundestag Council meets and decides to move its monetary policy, it quickly affects monetary and interest rate policy across the Union.

Like most things in life which confer benefits, however, economic and monetary union is not without potential disadvantages. The obvious one is that participating member states cannot devalue their currencies for any reason. In addition, a single monetary policy will involve some pooling of sovereignty among participating member states. This disadvantage will be felt more keenly in the larger member states. The discretion about monetary policy enjoyed by smaller member states is considerably less. It might be argued that the restrictions on budgetary freedom, especially the exposure to possible sanctions if an excessive deficit is not corrected in accordance with a Council notice to that end, are a disadvantage of economic and monetary union participation. However, a number of points are important.

First, the obligation to avoid an excessive deficit, as defined in the treaty, applies from the start of stage three, irrespective of economic and monetary union participation. Only the sanctions will be new and, in any case, failure to abide by a Council notice to correct an excessive deficit would already expose us to a suspension of Cohesion Fund aid. Second, while nonparticipation would exclude the possibility of formal economic and monetary union sanctions for an excessive deficit, there is no doubt that financial markets would impose a penalty in the form of higher interest rates. Third, avoiding an excessive deficit would be in our interest. Our experience in recent years shows that keeping the deficit within the treaty parameters is in no way inimical to sustained growth in output and employment. Indeed, keeping our deficit within the 3 per cent threshold has not precluded improvement in public services and significant progress on tax reform combined with increased employment to which I referred.

The move to economic and monetary union will necessarily involve transition costs for business, public administrations and the financial institutions which may be significant in some cases. In considering these, it is important to bear in mind that they are an investment which will yield long-term benefits for the whole economy. In the case of financial institutions there will also be an ongoing loss arising from the elimination of transaction costs and exchange rate differentials between participants. However, this ongoing loss of revenue to the financial institutions will be an ongoing gain to traders and business and should help them to improve their performance. Healthier companies will, in turn, be of benefit to all the financial institutions.

Successive Governments have stated that Ireland's policy is to be eligible to participate in economic and monetary union from the outset. The current Government endorses that position. Ireland has always supported the process of European integration and economic and monetary union will mark a substantial stage in that process. Economic and monetary union will have substantial implications for Ireland. In dealing with these, I wish to make two general points because it is vital that we do not ascribe to economic and monetary union effects that will arise anyway.

First, the global economic environment is changing fast. This process will continue and would continue even if economic and monetary union had never been considered. It involves greater globalisation of activity, increasing intensification of competition among all countries and increasing technological change. Second, the formation of economic and monetary union will mark a substantial change in the economic environment of the Union as a whole. This is true for all member states, regardless of whether they join the single currency; continuation of the status quo is not an option for any member state. Economic and monetary union will change things even for member states which decide not to join.

From the Irish point of view, we were concerned about the implications for Ireland of economic and monetary union. In order to get an independent view of the implications, earlier this year I commissioned the Economic and Social Research Institute to carry out an in-depth study of the likely economic implications of economic and monetary union for Ireland, with particular reference to employment, including different sectoral levels, in the context of various membership scenarios. The ESRI published its report at the end of July and it has been widely circulated, including to all Members of the Oireachtas.

The report runs to 350 pages so there is no need to go into it in detail, especially since the report itself contains a summary chapter. However, the ESRI said that its quantification "indicates that Ireland can expect to benefit modestly in terms of income and employment through membership of economic and monetary union. This conclusion is reinforced by the fact that the unquantified benefits are also likely to favour economic and monetary union entry". There is no doubt that economic and monetary union will involve a very significant change for Ireland in removing our ability to adjust our exchange rate, as a last resort, in the face of an economic shock. Many people, not unnaturally, speculate on this arising in the context of a substantial depreciation of sterling. Chapter 5 of the ESRI report considers the potential impact on Ireland of a 20 per cent fall in the value of sterling in two scenarios — with both Ireland and the UK outside economic and monetary union, and with Ireland in but the UK out. In both cases such a fall in sterling would present problems for Ireland. The ESRI estimates that with both countries out there would be a loss of some 16,000 jobs in Ireland while with Ireland in economic and monetary union and the UK out, the loss would rise to 28,000 jobs, a net difference of 12,000 jobs.

Clearly in either case such a sterling depreciation would be unwelcome, but it is worth noting that not being in economic and monetary union would not give us total protection from a sterling fall. Furthermore, the ESRI itself points out that it considers a 20 per cent fall to be an exceptionally large shock, chosen not because it seems at all likely but because it provided a useful test of the model used by the ESRI. Finally, it should be borne in mind that economic and monetary union should, as a general rule, remove the interest rate problem which created such difficulties for Irish industry during the currency crisis of 1992-93.

Most people think of sterling when they think of the exchange rate exposure involved in Ireland's joining the single currency and it would obviously be appropriate to say something here about the position of the United Kingdom in relation to economic and monetary union.

As the House is aware, the UK has an opt out from the Maastricht Treaty provisions on economic and monetary union. The UK Government has not yet said whether it will exercise this opt out. It has said, however, that it would not join economic and monetary union if economic and monetary union were to be formed in 1997. As we know, the Madrid European Council confirmed 1 January 1999 as the commencement date for economic and monetary union. The UK has not said it will not join economic and monetary union in 1999 only that it will decide closer to the date. Also, the UK — and Prime Minister, John Major — in particular, has never said it will never join economic and monetary union, which should be borne in mind. In short, the UK position is unclear and speculating about it on this side of the Irish Sea will not make it any clearer. The clear priority for Ireland is to ensure that whatever happens, Ireland qualifies for economic and monetary union membership.

It is time now to turn to how we should prepare for economic and monetary union. I would emphasise, of course, that change in the Irish economy will be necessary anyway. As I have said before, competition is intensifying throughout the world market and no country can escape from it. This would be so even if economic and monetary union had never been thought of.

First, we need to make sure we continue to meet the Maastricht criteria. In particular, we must go on keeping our general Government deficit comfortably below 3 per cent of GDP and ensuring that our debt ratio keeps falling. This is of the first importance anyway for our own economic benefit — servicing our debt is using up resources which we could put to much better use elsewhere.

Second, we also need to meet the other criteria. We are already keeping inflation low, but there is no room for complacency and a great deal of room for improvement. The inflation criterion in the treaty is a relative one and some member states have brought their inflation to quite low levels. Low deficits, moderate wage increases in the successor to the Programme for Competitiveness and Work and increased competition throughout our economy will all help us to do so. This will also, of course, help us to meet the criterion for exchange rate stability and also that for the long-term interest rate.

Third, we need to improve as much as possible the working of our economy in terms of competitiveness and efficiency. This means not just the Government; employers and employees also need to look at every aspect of their operation to see how they could be improved. Continuous improvement needs to be at the top of everyone's agenda.

Finally, an aspect of our economy that will become even more important as we move towards economic and monetary union is to improve flexibility throughout the system. In economic and monetary union we will have to respond to shocks by means other than the traditional adjustment of the exchange rate. We need to develop those means — essentially, this means increased flexibility on everyone's part, which I stress.

We also need to make preparations at a practical level. In the public service we have already taken a number of steps in this area. In June 1995 my Department circulated copies of the European Commission's Green Paper on the practical preparations for the introduction of the single currency to all Departments. In turn, each Department then made copies of the Green Paper available to the public sector agencies and bodies under its aegis. The scenario for transition to the Euro agreed at the Madrid European Council in December last was also circulated to all Departments.

Arising from this exercise, a single currency officer team — SCOT — consisting of one officer from each Department was set up in autumn 1995. The SCOT also includes representatives from the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General, the Office of the Revenue Commissioners, the Central Statistics Office and the National Treasury Management Agency. The purpose of SCOT is to see what preparations are necessary for the introduction of the single currency and to plan for them.

We have also set up an informal group representative of relevant interest groups in the private sector to advise on technical issues in the run up to the 1998 Council decision on which member states qualify for economic and monetary union. It is expected that this group will form the nucleus of a more formal structure, like the Decimal Currency Board which oversaw the decimalisation of the Irish pound in 1971, which would need to be set up in due course to oversee the practical arrangements needed to manage transition to the single currency.

Finally, next week will see the launch of a Government public information programme about economic and monetary union and the changeover to the Euro. This will include a business awareness campaign, which will be run by Forfás in co-operation with the Department of Enterprise and Employment, the Department of Tourism and Trade and my Department. The campaign will aim at increasing awareness of economic and monetary union and the changeover to the Euro in the business sector, especially among small and medium sized enterprises, and at helping businesses prepare themselves for it.

As part of helping the public to familiarise itself with the idea of changing over to a new currency, I have arranged that next week will be a Euro Week when, for one week, supermarkets and pubs will display both euro and Irish pound prices on selected items. The conversion rate for the Euro has not yet been fixed, of course, so the Euro prices displayed next week will be based on a notional rate of one Euro equalling 80p. Naturally this carries no implication for what the final figure will be — it is just an average figure which, more importantly, is fairly easy to calculate.

In addition, as part of our publicity campaign, we will unveil, in concert with a simultaneous unveiling in Frankfurt, the winning design for the Euro notes. The Governor of the Central Bank on the afternoon of Friday, 13 December — I hope the connotations of that date do not apply — will unveil in the Central Bank the winning design which was selected independently and separately by the governors of the board of the European Monetary Institute, which is, as I said earlier, the forerunner of the European Central Bank. That Friday will be the first day of the two day Heads of Government Summit meeting in Dublin.

I promised to end by outlining for the House the work that has been going on in relation to economic and monetary union under the Irish Presidency. The focus has been on three areas which were highlighted as priorities by the Madrid European Council last December. The objective we set as Presidency was that ECOFIN would be able to present conclusions showing substantive progress to the European Council in Dublin which, as I said, will take place the week after next. Even in advance of ECOFIN's final meeting on 12 December I can say that considerable progress has been made on the objective we set last July.

The first area highlighted by Madrid concerns the monetary relationship there is to be between member states which adopt the Euro from the outset and those which do not — the question of the ins and pre-ins. The second area concerns strengthening budgetary discipline among member states in economic and monetary union or, as I described it earlier, the "stability pact". All member states now recognise the importance of such a pact or agreement for the success of the single currency. The final area is the legal framework for the Euro. This framework is needed to enable market participants to plan effectively for the changeover to the Euro, although certain elements are more urgent than others.

Considerable progress has been made on all three areas during our Presidency. In Dublin in September I hosted an informal meeting of EU Finance Ministers and central bank governors to review progress and to chart the course to the December European Council. That informal meeting was very satisfactory and the momentum it provided enabled the Commission to adopt in mid-October legislative proposals on the stability pact and the legal framework for the Euro, as well as a draft communication to Council on the relationship between participating and nonparticipating member states.

As regards the latter issue, the report from ECOFIN to the Dublin European Council will address the new exchange rate mechanism to be put in place on the formation of the single currency. The main features of this are already known, in particular the fact that the central rates of participating currencies will be set against the Euro only, because of its anchor role and because of the goal of convergence to the Euro area. Work on the details will be put in hand after the Dublin summit, although these cannot be finalised until the European central bank is set up in 1998.

ECOFIN's report to the Dublin summit will also address the arrangements for enhanced surveillance of economic policies with a view to ensuring they are conducive to the convergence essential to monetary stability. On the budgetary discipline question, the ECOFIN Ministers have made considerable progress towards formulating the key elements of the stability pact. There is already a consensus on many of its features. We have agreed that member states in economic and monetary union will be obliged to submit stability programmes demonstrating a commitment to medium term objectives that will keep their deficit below the treaty reference value of 3 per cent of GDP over the course of a normal economic cycle. There is also agreement that there should be an early warning system to help prevent excessive deficits arising. Member states not in economic and monetary union will submit convergence programmes demonstrating their commitment to convergence oriented policies.

Work has been advancing on the question of how to clarify and speed up the excessive deficit procedure in the treaty, including its enforcement aspects. It had already been agreed that when sanctions are first imposed they will include a non-interest bearing deposit. This would be converted into a fine after two years if the excessive deficit persisted.

At the ECOFIN meeting on 2 December we agreed on the detailed specification of the sanctions. The amount of the deposit will be made up of a fixed component equal to 0.2 per cent of GDP and a variable component equal to one tenth of the excess of the deficit over the 3 per cent reference value. There will be an upper limit of 0.5 per cent of GDP for the annual amount of deposits. Sanctions are aimed more at deterring excessive deficits than at punishing them and the objective is to ensure, as far as possible, that member states avoid excessive deficits altogether, thus providing a strong foundation for the Euro and creating the conditions in which low interest rates can be consistent with price stability.

ECOFIN has agreed to meet again at my request on 12 December, in advance of the European Council meeting the next day, to try to resolve the few remaining issues, notably the question of the definition of when the excess of a Government deficit over the treaty reference value is to be considered "exceptional". This will not be an easy matter to resolve but I am cautiously optimistic that it may be possible to settle it, if not at the ECOFIN meeting then at the Dublin European Council. The basic principles of the stability pact and how it would operate would then be in place. This would enable work to begin after the Dublin summit on enshrining the pact in secondary legislation under the treaty.

There has been considerable progress on the legal framework for the Euro. The European Commission produced two regulations in mid-October, one based on treaty Article 235 which contains the urgent provisions and the other based on Article 109L4 which contains the remaining provisions. This latter regulation cannot be finally adopted until the member states participating in economic and monetary union have been decided. The Irish Presidency has chaired several meetings of a Council working group on these two regulations and by dint of sheer hard work and with excellent co-operation from our partners, we have brought the Article 235 regulation to agreement and the Article 109L4 regulation very close to agreement. The opinions of the European Parliament and the EMI on the two regulations have recently been received and these will now be examined at working group level.

As I pointed out earlier, there is a treaty procedure under which the European Council must decide before 31 December 1996 whether a majority of member states fulfil the necessary conditions for the adoption of a single currency, whether it is appropriate for the Community to enter the third stage of economic and monetary union and, if so, to set the date for the beginning of the third stage.

The European Council has already decided, in Madrid and Florence, that 1 January 1999 will be the starting date for economic and monetary union, so the outcome of this procedure is already clear. The procedure must nevertheless be carried out. Our aim is that the Dublin European Council will reaffirm the 1 January, 1999 commencement date for economic and monetary union and, thus, further reinforce the message that the progress to economic and monetary union is irreversible.

I thank the Minister for his comprehensive statement. He has traced the development towards European integration and indicated that Ireland has always supported the process of European integration, a support respected by our partners in the EU. The Minister also pointed out the various stages which have led to our being on the point of the successful launch of economic and monetary union with the Euro as the single currency. Fianna Fáil endorses fully the related conditions and disciplines.

Fianna Fáil was involved at every stage of the history the Minister has outlined. I was in Government in 1972 when Ireland applied for membership of the EEC and when, despite the opposition of the Labour Party, that application received the endorsement of the people.

I thank the Minister for giving us the benefit of his comprehensive address. I regret that he does not wish to further acknowledge the role of the Seanad by staying to listen to what Senators have to say.

On a point of order, due to other business I have to leave the House but I intend to return to reply to the points made by Senators. I hope the Senator will be present to hear my response.

I hope the Minister will hear my contribution so that he may respond.

Fianna Fáil has led Ireland's commitment to Europe and the original drive in this regard was launched by Seán Lemass. Fianna Fáil did so despite the vigorous opposition of the Labour Party at each stage. Due to Fianna Fáil's consistent position and its management of the economy, particularly since 1987, Ireland is now in the position of having fulfilled the criteria for membership of economic and monetary union.

As Minister for Foreign Affairs in 1977, I was involved in the negotiations leading to the European Monetary System. We did that despite the opposition of the Labour Party. When we negotiated the EMS package in Bremen in 1979, which was the foundation stone for what is now being done, there was vigorous opposition from the Labour Party — some Deputies were not in the party at that time — and the former Taoiseach, Jack Lynch, and myself were attacked for what we had done. However, we earned the confidence of our partners in Europe and that is why Ireland's European involvement has been so successful.

After the launch of the EMS in 1979, it was not surprising that the vigour we had always demonstrated was not shown by the Government in which the Tánaiste had his first responsibility. The Minister acknowledged that the next significant step after the launch of the EMS in 1979 was the Single Market programme of the late 1980s and, particularly, the Delors committee report of 1989. When Fianna Fáil, who launched us into Europe and into the European Monetary System, assumed the Presidency of the European Community, it launched us into a new dimension with the preparations for the Maastricht Treaty, the Delors committee report of 1989 and the Single Market programme which followed that. I was happy to be associated with almost all those events. Fianna Fáil established the respect and confidence which have been so important for Ireland's success in Europe and which helped to create prospects for our young people which are now greater than they were before we launched this great European adventure.

One theme in the Minister's detailed speech about the conditions, regulations, restrictions and sanctions is that we should be able to demonstrate that partners are entitled to feel total confidence in their capacity to fulfil not only the obligations of the economic and monetary union, but to avail of its opportunities as full and vigorous partners. One word for this is "confidence". Perhaps another phrase is "mutual respect" which we spent time building up with our EU partners.

When we came back to power in 1987, public expenditure was out of control. We made a decision to reduce the level of current expenditure, our budget deficit, GNP deficit ratio and inflation to create the foundation for membership of the economic and monetary union. The Tánaiste, the Minister for Finance and the Labour Party opposed us every step of the way in that disciplined adventure. During our preparations to meet the criteria the Minister for Finance is now setting out, we were called names for reducing public expenditure and the numbers in the public service and for making many difficult decisions. One of my colleagues, Deputy O'Hanlon, for whom I have the greatest respect and who was our front man on these occasions, was referred to as Dr. Death. He is one of the finest men I know in public life.

On a point of order, no one in the Labour Party referred to any Minister in the Fianna Fáil Government as Dr. Death. The Senator should check the record.

The record is there.

Mr. O'Sullivan

The Senator should not mislead the House.

We were lambasted every day by the Labour Party for doing what was necessary to meet these qualifications and win our partners' confidence. There are cycles in life and particularly in politics where those who demand the opposite now claim responsibility for good performance. This Government is trying its best to undermine the respect and confidence we spent years building up with our partners in Europe. If we do not enjoy that respect and confidence, the adventure, which has been exciting and successful, will be totally frustrated.

Yesterday in the Dáil the Tánaiste outlined not just to the Irish people but also to the European people the social and economic criteria we must meet. He said: "Anyone who wishes to compare the social and economic trends of the 1989-92 period with those of the past four years will realise that we have turned the direction of the country around". He relied on the capacity of the Government to achieve economic control. He continued: "We intend to continue to shape the direction of the country for a long time yet". We, including my party, want to enjoy the confidence, trust and respect of our partners in Europe. However, the Tánaiste and President of the Council of Foreign Ministers said he wanted to keep the "chancers in Fianna Fáil on the benches where they belong". He has a primary responsibility to generate confidence and respect among our EU partners so this European adventure will continue to be successful. He claims the management of the economy is safe in the Government's hands and that it could not be trusted to the "chancers in Fianna Fáil". That is slander at a crucial time when our country requires the confidence and respect of our partners in Europe. It was said in the context of our management of the economy.

I remind the Senator that the proceedings of the other House either yesterday or any other day are not a matter for this House.

As the Minister pointed out, the economic criteria we must satisfy before we become full members of the economic and monetary union were established by the "chancers in Fianna Fáil". We will almost certainly be involved in the Government which will implement these criteria. The Minister, who has a major role to play in European negotiations, has told our partners that the "chancers in Fianna Fáil" should not be allowed to undermine and destroy what has been achieved. In the same context he also said: "If any of them have a shred of political honesty they will all recognise the huge and historic changes that we have made since we came into Government". That is a quote from the Tánaiste at this point of our Presidency. What a specious claim, and I am being kind. What an untrue statement. What a distorted presentation to our partners who, as we speak, are in Dublin.

Those who have had good reason to respect our performance at each stage of the step ladder leading to where we are now, are being told, not by German, French or Dutch bankers and ministers but by the Tánaiste, Deputy Spring, not to trust those "chancers" to guide this venture. I am privileged to have been in that category described by the Tánaiste because I regard his definition of chancer as the greatest tribute that has ever been paid to me. I and others were involved in the European adventure at every stage, but I resent the implication.

The Tánaiste will be negotiating the penultimate stage of economic and monetary union. The ultimate stages will fall to be negotiated by us. I suggest to the Minister of State, who is representing the Tánaiste, that he should formally withdraw the allegations, not just for our sake because we do not care about the Tánaiste's allegations and imputations, but for the sake of our credibility in Europe. I know of no case in Europe where that charge has been made publicly in respect of any Government and allowed to stand. It is one of the most disgraceful allegations to make and it has not been sustained.

We have more than a shred of political honesty. Some of us have spent a lot longer in public life than the Tánaiste. I have been privileged to be here since June 1965 which is some time before the Tánaiste. I have been privileged to serve with people of the utmost integrity in my party and in Government and that is how I also regard the Cathaoirleach and his family.

This allegation will do considerable damage to the Tánaiste's authority in Europe and to Ireland's standing. I find it strange coming from someone who has cost this country millions of pounds which may yet pose problems for us in meeting the Maastricht criteria. I recall too clearly that the same gentleman who is now the Tánaiste, when calling for the beef tribunal, demanded it should have power to send for persons and papers.

Item 2 is concerned with statements on economic and monetary union. I am sure the House would prefer to hear the Senator speak on that.

When the total cost of that tribunal is added up it will be a major burden on the taxpayer. It will certainly be well in excess of any figure now being mentioned and could be the difference between our qualifying for membership of the economic and monetary union or not. I worry greatly about it.

We are not discussing that.

We are discussing our capacity for economic management. The Tánaiste insisted then that the tribunal would have the power to send for persons and papers. This man talks about honesty but when he was called before the tribunal he claimed privilege. He claimed that he should not have to disclose his sources or produce papers. He did not care about the people whom he had just burdened with a bill for £100 million. If we qualify for economic and monetary union membership it will not be thanks to the Labour Party nor to the Tánaiste, Deputy Spring.

If anyone can talk about having a shred of honesty, we are entitled to ask those questions. Where is the honesty and consistency in the claim that they have brought us to the point of qualifying for the full rigours and discipline of economic and monetary union membership? Let the people judge, and they will judge sooner rather than later. The "chancers" in Fianna Fáil, who are respected as being the most committed Europeans and the most successful promoters of enterprise anywhere in Europe, will bring this adventure to a successful conclusion.

I do not propose to follow Senator O'Kennedy in a discourse that was rather largely historical and political. We heard the opening shots of the general election campaign, particularly as it will relate to North Tipperary.

That is right.

I will leave that contribution aside. I welcome this debate which a number of us have been seeking for a considerable time. Now that the opportunity has arrived I hope we will avail of it to comment on the single currency and economic and monetary union. I appreciate the Minister's extensive and comprehensive statement to the House. I acknowledge the depth and content of that statement and the fact that he attempted to indicate to us the course that needs to be taken to implement that policy.

I want to raise a related issue with the Minister of State, Deputy O'Sullivan. I am concerned about what has happened in recent days and weeks in the currency markets. To what extent do the developments there represent a fundamental change of policy on the part of the Central Bank where management of the exchange rate mechanism is concerned? The signals coming from the apparent decision by the Central Bank to follow an appreciating pound sterling are confusing to business and industry, particularly exporters. For years the policy was generally accepted to be that the Central Bank, in so far as it was within its power, tracked the deutschmark. It did so even when it meant that the Irish pound appreciated against sterling to the extent that Irish industry required financial subsidies to servive in the UK market. Has that policy been changed and, if so, why? In recent weeks it would appear to be following sterling upwards which has the effect of leaving a growing gap between the Irish pound and the basket of currencies, including the deutschmark, that it is presumed will constitute the core group within the single currency. At present, this is causing enormous difficulties for Irish companies exporting to Europe. These are almost as acute as the problems faced by exporters to the UK a number of years ago and were recently highlighted by the chairperson of the Irish Exporters Association, Mr. Colum MacDonnell.

There is an urgent need for a clear statement regarding the current policy of the Central Bank. Do recent events relating to the currency exchange rate represent a fundamental change of policy? If so, this will have implications for the subject under discussion. What does it signal with regard to the future of economic and monetary union? In light of recent political decisions, which were confirmed by the Minister, what has happened to the Government's determination that the Irish punt should become part of the single currency from the outset? Confusion is being created which is not helping Irish industry and business prepare for the single currency and the cohesion of the Single Market. I regard this as an important issue and, while I recognise that the Central Bank retains a substantial degree of independence where currency markets are concerned, it operates, nevertheless, within a broad exchange rate policy decided upon by the Minister for Finance. When replying to the debate, I hope the Minister will provide the necessary response in that regard.

I do not propose to enter a debate on whether Ireland should join the single currency or remain outside. The second question in that regard is whether our participation or otherwise should be dependent on the United Kingdom. I accept that valid arguments can be made in respect of both matters. However, time has moved on, political decisions have been taken with regard to the establishment of the single currency and target dates have been set. Ireland's position is clear on this issue. Any debate on the single currency must be based on the certainty that Ireland will participate from the outset.

It is necessary to consider the level of preparation being made by Government, business and industry in anticipation of future developments. In two years time a core group of European countries will adopt the single currency. These will represent a large trading bloc within the Union. As the Minister indicated, countries, irrespective of whether they join the single currency or remain outside, who wish to trade with others will have to contend with the existence of the single currency from 1 January 1999. It is the Government's intention to participate in the single currency from the outset and the performance of the economy indicates that this objective is within reach. However, the success of that participation will depend on the thoroughness of our preparations.

The major question for Irish business, industry, services and agriculture is how effectively they are preparing for the inevitable. The time for speculating as to whether it will be on target is past. The Minister referred to important questions regarding our trade with the United Kingdom. The reality is that we may have to contend with these situations and we can only do so by putting in place the necessary arrangements in anticipation of one or other developing. I do not believe that uncertainty regarding the UK's involvement in the single currency, at the outset or later, should be used as an excuse by interests in this country to delay preparation.

It is likely that, from 1 January 1999, the Euro will be the currency in which goods and services will be traded. This is likely to apply to the largest trading bloc within the Union. Organisations representing trade and business and many professional bodies accept the inevitability of the single currency and also accept the reality that the target dates will be adhered to. However, many are concerned at the lack of actual or planned preparation on the part of small and medium enterprise. A number of these organisations carried out surveys among their members, some of which have shown an alarming level of complacency, particularly among small and medium enterprises.

The first such survey was carried out by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in Ireland in November 1996. It begins by stating:

In a little over two years from now, on 1 January 1999, the Euro as the single currency for economic and monetary union members will be a reality. From that date on Irish Companies and their economic and monetary union business partners will be able to open Euro bank accounts and settle transactions in the new currency.

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The clear implication is that planning for the introduction of the single currency needs to be placed at the top of the business agenda. If not handled properly it could have serious negative implications for Irish companies trading with Europe.

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There is a need for a major campaign to alert senior management and other employees within business and consumers as to full extent of change that his involved.

The survey makes many other pertinent comments on the issue but I do not have time to refer them.

The second survey to which I will refer was carried out by IBEC and its findings were as follows:

An overwhelming majority of companies (91%) favour Ireland joining economic and monetary union.

Of those companies which favoured Ireland joining economic and monetary union, the majority (75%) believed that Ireland should be in from the start.

The impact of the Single Currency on business is largely seen as positive.

A substantial majority of the companies (61%) representing 67% of employment believed Ireland should join economic and monetary union even if the UK stay out. Only 11% said Ireland should stay out with the UK.

Over half the companies surveyed representing 67% of employment believed their Sector and investment prospects would deteriorate, if Ireland stayed out of the Single Currency with the UK, and only 10% thought they would improve.

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Clearly, in the event of a UK opt out, Irish business believes that joining economic and monetary union without the UK will have the least negative impact.

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Over 50% of the companies believe they have sufficient in-house software expertise to effect the changeover of systems to the Single Currency but only 28% believed they have the legal expertise. [If 50 per cent of the companies believe they have sufficient in-house software expertise, the implication is that the other 50 per cent do not.]

Of the 30% of the companies which expressed a view on when their companies would make the physical changeover of their systems to the Euro, two thirds of them said that they would make the change in 1999.

I want to refer to a third survey carried out by The Chamber of Commerce of Ireland in November 1996 entitled Economic and Monetary Union. This survey highlights a number of major issues for the Irish business community. The foreword reads:

It shows that an overwhelming majority of Irish firms now believe that Ireland will be in the first group of countries. It shows that Irish business supports the introduction of the Euro, viewing it as beneficial to Ireland in general, and to their firms in particular. However, it also shows that few Irish companies are well prepared, few believe they know enough to begin preparations for the single currency, and few believe the Government is consulting enough with business.

The Chamber of Commerce survey also confirms what emerged in the other two surveys I mentioned. The survey results are as follows:

An overwhelming majority (89%) thinks Ireland will be part of the first grouping in the single currency. This is a significant increase from 60% in last year's survey.

Only 4% think that Ireland will not be part of the first grouping, which is down considerably on last year's results (in 1995, 33% believed Ireland would not be in the first group).

Six in every ten still believe that Ireland should enter, even if the UK remains out.

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86% of respondents thought that a single currency will be either beneficial (72%) or essential (14%) to Irish competitiveness.

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54% do not believe that they know enough to start planning for economic and monetary union.

The vast majority (85%) of respondents have not assessed the cost on their business of the transition to the single currency.

Also, while 31% believe they know enough to begin preparations for the Euro, only 11% have made an attempt at assessing the impact and cost on their firms.

These findings show confidence among Irish businesses that we will be participating in economic and monetary union from the beginning and a growing acknowledgment that within many Irish firms, and the small and medium sector in particular, there is a serious lack of preparation.

In a paper entitled EMU and the Single Currency presented to the Select Committee on Finance and General Affairs on 19 September 1996, the Irish Exporters' Association, which has strongly commented in recent days on the problems for exporters caused by the present exchange rate fluctuations, stated:

Some mechanism must be found to protect against competitive devaluations by countries outside the economic and monetary union — in our case the UK specifically.

We must make sure that we are not priced in to economic and monetary union at the wrong point in the economic cycle.

Government must attack the cost base if we have to live with a fixed value currency — payroll taxes and services provided by State monopolies are blunting our ability to compete.

Government needs to communicate better and to listen more to the legitimate concerns of exporters — an appropriate mechanism needs to be established.

As well as developing European markets we must refocus on the UK which is where labour intensive exporting industry is concentrated.

What emerges from this paper is that trade and business organisations and professional bodies are conscious of the need to prepare for the inevitable. However, for some reason this does not appear to be happening on the ground. While I welcome the Minister's comments in relation to the Scott committee, it is dealing with administrative preparations between Departments.

The Minister said that a business awareness campaign would be launched next week aimed particularly at small and medium enterprises. May I suggest that there is an urgent need to go further and to establish a body to co-ordinate the efforts of Government, industry, business and consumers to ensure that the maximum advantage is gained from the preparations which appear to be taking place in a limited and diverse climate?

Lack of preparatory action is not being helped by economic commentators and others who are suggesting that the single currency may not happen, or will not happen, within the timescale proposed. These comments have a negative effect and are delaying the preparations which should already be under way. What is certain is that Irish business will have to contend with the reality of the single currency in two years' time. Nineteen ninety seven should be used to prepare for that.

Adaptation is necessary in several areas where Irish business is concerned. The first adaptation has to take place in the mindset of those involved in business and industry. The matter of the technical adaptation is a serious one. To adjust to the single currency and the requirement for dual pricing which will be part of the arrangement, every piece of equipment from the simple cash register to vending machines and advanced computers will require conversion. Staff will also have to be trained and this will be time consuming. Consumers will have to be educated in preparation for the single currency. This must be a shared responsibility between Government, business and consumer organisations.

The Minister has outlined the various events that will take place during 1998 — the appointment of an executive board for the "Eurobank", the decision on the participating member states, the irrevocable fixing of conversion rates and the commencement of production of the Euro notes and coins.

There is a need to start preparations and there should be a greater sense of urgency, particularly among the SMEs in industry, business, services and agriculture. Planning for change requires direction, leadership and co-ordination. The Government, professional organisations, business organisations, trade associations, financial institutions and consumer interests must be involved.

I do not wish to totally ignore the importance of the UK position. There are some difficulties and the answer may rest on the outcome of the next UK election. If opinion polls continue as they are, this time next year the UK position may be a matter of history. I also understand there are definite changes taking place in the attitude of Denmark, another country which appeared to be prepared to exercise the opt out clause.

While the physical presence of Euro notes and coins are some distance down the road, I hope the community and organisations charged with implementing the single currency, considering the known capacity of European institutions for bureaucratic complication, will not make the changeover any more confusing or complicated than it needs to be. Ireland has experience of the changeover to decimalisation. Although technology would not constitute as complicating a factor then as it would now, we could give valuable advice. Decimalisation involved an overnight changeover. We removed six coins and one note from circulation, introduced three new coins and changed the value of two coins and six notes. There were 18 changes in all. There was very little difficulty with consumers and I think the same would apply now.

I acknowledge that computer technology and the training of staff is a more substantial issue now. Germany had a currency adjustment within the past six years. There is experience there to guide the bodies who will have responsibility for the changeover. I question whether we require a period as lengthy as that which has been prescribed to effect an orderly and satisfactory changeover.

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak on this matter. I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Social Welfare, Mr. Durkan, to the House.

The Minister said that the reason we are so concerned about economic and monetary union is that the convergence criteria are in our favour and we have behaved ourselves. He was generous in not claiming all the credit, which he said was due to a number of Governments. The performance of our economy in the last ten years has given us the opportunity to discuss this matter today knowing we are in the front line of those who have reached the criteria for entry to economic and monetary union. It is interesting to note this because ten years ago we would not have been considered.

I took note of some of the initials used in the debate so far and even Senator Howard dropped them without the slightest bother. I noted the use of ECU, EMU, EMS, ERM, ECB, ESC, ECOFIN, ESRI, Programme for Competitiveness and Work and GDP. The new one which upset me was SCOT, which at least is pronouncable. It stands for Single Currency Officer Team and was mentioned in the Minister's speech. The use of all these initials reminds us of how aware we have to be of what is happening in economic and monetary union.

I called for a debate on this matter. Some people may think this was because I am opposed to Ireland entering economic and monetary union. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am very much in favour of Ireland joining economic and monetary union at the earliest opportunity but I am concerned that the lack of debate on this issue, a point also made by Senator Howard, will leave us badly prepared for this momentous step in our economic as well as overall history. We must be pro-active in our approach to membership of economic and monetary union. Unless we are fully and properly prepared, we will not only fail to make the most of this development but we will risk being damaged by it. I believe we need a national task force as a matter of urgency to oversee our preparations.

The Minister described such an entity and Senator Howard also called for it. The Minister referred to "an informal group representative of relevant interest groups". This does not have the bite, magic or urgency which gives the sense of doing something. The Minister also referred to the Decimal Currency Board of 1971, which had a greater sense of urgency. I use the term "task force" to create that sense of urgency to make sure we begin to move, and move urgently towards that end.

Three things are clear. First, Ireland will qualify for entry to economic and monetary union in the first phase. That is not a foregone conclusion although as long as we are reasonably careful, I believe we will qualify. Second, as mentioned by Senator O'Kennedy and Senator Howard, the odds are very much against the UK deciding to join the economic and monetary union at the beginning, regardless of what Government is in power when the time for that decision comes. This is changing even today as the British Parliament debates economic and monetary union. If the UK does join, all the better. The prudent thing is for Ireland to plan on the assumption that the UK will not go enter economic and monetary union. Third, even without the UK, the balance of long-term advantage for Ireland is clearly in favour of us joining economic and monetary union from the beginning. There may be short-term advantages in going with whatever the UK decide to do, but the long-term disadvantages would be disastrous for our economy and our country. While all three of these points are worth debating and will be fully debated here this afternoon, I will not dwell on them and I do not want us to do so.

The next step involves the implications for Ireland in joining economic and monetary union at the beginning, and in particular the implications of us joining when the UK stays out. When will this happen? The most important priority is that the economic and monetary union is a success. If it starts and then fails, it will have horrendous consequences for the future of Europe. Ireland's national policy should be aimed at ensuring economic and monetary union will be a success.

There is virtually a conspiracy throughout Europe to shut our minds totally against the possibility that economic and monetary union might not start according to the original schedule. Insisting on that schedule immediately raises a dilemma for the Union. The economic and monetary union could begin on time with a very small number of core countries and most countries not participating. That has been spoken about day after day in the financial papers and is being actively pursued. Some countries would stay outside because they do not want to join or because they could not meet the criteria. The second possibility is where membership of economic and monetary union is broadened by lowering the criteria to let in countries which otherwise would not qualify. We have seen enough of that in the last few weeks. I am thinking of one country in particular which has decided to use the pension fund from its telecommunications industry to get it in.

To choose either horn of that dilemma will put the success of economic and monetary union at risk. If we start with too small a core of countries we will divide Europe and create very strong conflicts of interest between that small bloc and the large bloc which remains outside economic and monetary union. We will also keep economic and monetary union out of Europe's mainstream and that will make it more difficult for the Euro to be widely recognised as the main European currency in the future. If we lower the entry criteria to allow more member states in at the beginning, the credibility and stability of the entire economic and monetary union project is at risk and we would be increasing the chances of failure.

If our top priority is to have a successful economic and monetary union, perhaps we should open our minds to delay the schedule. I know that is not the right thing to say and we are all saying we should not even consider a delay, but economic and monetary union needs a critical mass at the start if it is to be a success. It must be a critical mass of properly qualified countries who can work together to keep the European currency strong in the years ahead. I do not suggest that we should not aim for the target date but we should not lower the standards in order to reach the target date. We should keep an option on that. I hope we keep the target date.

I wish to comment on the tasks that face us internally; Senator Howard spoke about them today. When the economic and monetary union starts we will need a national task force. Three groups in particular face challenges from economic and monetary union. The first are the exporters, particularly those who depend heavily on doing business with the UK; the second group is the financial institutions, such as the banks, and the third group is made up of those businesses, including my own, retailers, who handle the bulk of money that circulates through our economy.

Exporters to Britain face an obvious threat if we join economic and monetary union and Britain stays out. We should not be misled by the present strength of sterling. The long-term trend of sterling is downwards. It has depreciated at an average of 1 per cent to 2 per cent every year for the last 25 years. Britain has been paying its way through devaluation. This has become a part of the British way of life and will not change. If Britain has behaved in a certain manner for 25 years and has used devaluation subtly and slowly year after year, that will not change and we have to recognise that. This means that our exporters who depend on the British export market must face a constant permanent chipping away at our competitiveness. This will be more serious than has been the case over the last few years.

At the moment the effects of swings in sterling are dampened for us by our freedom to move from the top to the bottom of the ERM band. We can absorb swings of up to 5 per cent while still keeping the rate against sterling virtually unchanged. When we join economic and monetary union, that safety cushion will be permanently removed. All fluctuations in sterling will be felt daily in our exchange rate. It will be like taking the shock absorbers off a car and having to face the bumps of a journey as we go over a potholed road. We need to accept this and we urgently need to develop a strategy to deal with it. We must find out what we need to do to make sure joining economic and monetary union works. It will be too late to act when economic and monetary union arrives. Our best chance of preserving jobs in the businesses affected is to put in place now a strategy to help those businesses prepare for this when this happens. Next year or the year after will be too late. We need to begin that strategic action now.

Having an exchange rate which constantly appreciates against sterling is not all bad news. It presents immediate difficulties for exporters but other countries have thrived on appreciation in the past. The deutschmark and the yen have appreciated greatly but those economies have benefited. We too can benefit since most of our imports that contribute to the cost of living index come from the UK and an appreciating Irish currency makes those goods cheaper. My business imports a lot of food and there have been practically no price increases on British based goods in the last couple of years. We notice immediately when it goes the other way but we do not tend to notice that prices of British imports have not changed. This keeps our inflation in check and allows us to keep our costs down. That is just as well because we will need all the help we can get in the next couple of years.

The second group of businesses that need to act fast are the banks and other financial institutions. Banks all over Europe are only now beginning to realise that bringing in economic and monetary union will be much more difficult than was anticipated. I do not think they realised this and it is just beginning to hit them. They also realise that they are less prepared than they thought they were. It is vital that our banks do not lag behind in their preparations for economic and monetary union. It is not enough to assume that they will prepare adequately without some sort of external monitoring and encouragement and we will have to provide that. One of the big cost savings of a single currency will be at the expense of the banks. They will see much foreign exchange business cease overnight. If they have relied on foreign exchange business for some of their profit they will have to adjust to that profit disappearing.

Businesses that handle money also have to prepare for economic and monetary union. That group includes almost every business. Some are in the front line because of the high proportion of circulating cash they handle. The run up to decimalisation was very carefully and thoroughly prepared; I remember the date, 15 February 1971, very well. This is an even larger step and it is very close to us, yet no proper research has been done into finding out what will be the practical difficulties. No proper work, as far as I know, has gone into preparing a national plan for the changeover. The Minister announced today that we are getting somewhere. If so, we have to do this urgently.

Retailers across Europe are very concerned about this issue. I am a member of a European group called "Eurocommerce" which represents retailing in Europe and that group has done some calculations. It is not sure how accurate the figures are but they are frightening. The present plan is that when the Euro is introduced for cash transactions in the year 2002, there will be a transaction period. The Minister described this today, and Senator Howard mentioned it as well. During that six month transition period, the old national currencies and the new Euro will circulate side by side. This is a recipe for absolute disaster. It will gravely increase the cost of the transition and could perhaps put many small concerns out of business.

The idea of a transition period is based on the false premise that it smoothes the impact. It will not work like this. Experience shows that if the old and new are put together people will only change when the crutch of the old is removed. For example, Ireland moved rapidly and successfully from the use of Fahrenheit to centigrade approximately 25 years ago. By contrast, both figures continue to be provided in Britain and nobody has moved from Fahrenheit. Similarly, while we moved to decimalisation overnight we decided to move slowly to the use of metrification. In consequence, we have still not made the full transition 25 years later. My business has prepared advertisements for price quotations in the existing currency and in Euros in honour of the Dublin Summit next week. However, we will be effectively advertising commodities in four prices because we price our goods in kilos and lbs.

Five years ago I swore, uniquely as far as I am aware, that I would never use the old measurements. I am 165 cm tall and am down to 78 kilos in weight. However, my 18 year old son, who is a keen golfer and has been attending school for the last 13 years, uses inches, feet and yards because we stretched the transition period when it came to the use of metrification.

We must rethink the proposed six month transition to the use of the Euro. It must be done immediately. The transition to metrification has not worked because most people still think in lbs. and ozs. when buying goods. This experience should alert us to the danger of a transition period for the Euro. We should go for an overnight "big bang" approach because this will have to happen in any event at the end of the transition period. This is what happened with decimalisation. It worked and we all put up with it after a couple of days.

We must stop thinking of economic and monetary union as something that may or may not happen in the distant future. We must work on it immediately and we can best do this by establishing a national task force to spearhead the preparations. The Minister announced that a committee will be established in this regard. There should be a greater urgency and sense of direction about this.

The proposed task force should set out a national strategy under the guidance of Government policy and should create an action plan across the spectrum of business that will be affected. Most importantly, it should monitor progress and act as a national watchdog to ensure that we as a nation are fully prepared to take this momentous and exciting step. Ireland's future is with economic and monetary union and that future is virtually upon us. The time for action is now.

The Minister's speech was very interesting. He referred to the disadvantages, including the loss of some control, and outlined the sanctions that will follow if member states misbehave. However, the benefits he outlined override everything else. I have often travelled throughout the USA but was unaware until a few years ago that the original 13 States which formed the Union in 1782 had their own currencies, but ensured that these became one. If, for example, Pennsylvania had decided to stay out of the monetary union, what chance would it have had of holding onto its currency, never mind influencing what happened beyond its boundaries?

Ireland does not have an option in the case of economic and monetary union. There has been talk of us being a tiger in Europe. Whatever the truth of that, we must behave ourselves to ensure that we can join economic and monetary union at the outset so that we are in a position to influence European monetary policy in the future.

This is a welcome debate. I welcome the Minister's speech and the sense of movement we have created. I now call for a sense of even greater urgency.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Durkan, to the House. I also welcome the speech by the Minister for Finance. I was interested in Senator Quinn's comments on abbreviations. It might be wise to establish a dictionary of initials. For example, the term "EMU" causes confusion given that people equate it with "European Monetary Union". However, the correct term is "Economic and Monetary Union". In addition, the EMI refers to the European Monetary Institute. Similarly, I am cautious about the double display of prices. Goods which sell for £1 will sell for Euro 1.25, which will lead people to conclude that prices are being increased.

However, I welcome this debate. The concept of economic and monetary union must be explained to people, including children. A good education programme is required. Even at present, terms such as the EU, the EU Council of Minister, EU Summits, EU Commissioners and the EU Commission are confusing. While many are aware that the currency is to be changed, they do not know what economic and monetary union is about. Therefore, a policy of education is of extreme importance. I compliment the Minister for Finance, the first Labour Party Minister for Finance in the history of the State, for his excellent handling of the Department. No doubt it is due to his good work that our GDP-debt ratio is well in line with the economic and monetary union criteria.

The Intergovernmental Conference will play a big part in the shaping of the future of Europe and economic and monetary union is an intrinsic part of the changes taking place. Conferences of this nature have been held since the 1950s to set up the European Coal and Steel Community, the EEC, as it was then known, and Euratom. Later came the Single European Act and the Maastricht Treaty. In a few years as a result of the Intergovernmental Conference, changes will be made to Maastricht to provide for a future Europe which may be joined by countries from the east. I deviated from the main topic to speak about the Intergovernmental Conference because it is important to note that the not all the countries now within the EU will join economic and monetary union; and we must also remember that by the time the Euro note or coin is in circulation in the next century, it is possible that some eastern European countries will be part of the EU so their currencies must be taken into account. These points are of extreme importance.

Currencies have created great difficulty for Europeans over the years. One's currency is part of one's national identity. Banks in Britain used to refuse to take Irish pounds but that will no longer happen when economic and monetary union is in full swing because the same currency will apply in both countries. To the present day many British banks charge exorbitant amounts for exchanging Irish currency, which is an insult to our nation.

When there were 12 EU member states, it was calculated that if one travelled from Dublin around all the European capitals with £100 one would only return with £47 — not having spent any money but through exchanging it; three more countries have joined since then so it is possible that one would only be left with £30; and if many more countries joined one would have a negative amount of money. These points must also be borne in mind. This is an extra expense for the public travelling abroad. One gets nothing in return for the exchange rates charged by the banks. Some people in other countries take advantages of incoming travellers. Also, people on holiday do not closely watch their money, they spend extra cash but also throw away money exchanging it. I can see great benefit for tourists in economic and monetary union as it will get rid of the system of buying at one rate, selling at another and paying commission for exchanging.

It will also greatly benefit business people. A common currency means they will not have to worry about sending Irish cheques abroad, receiving foreign cheques and everything which might arise in between. Those transactions can eliminate much of the profit. Business people currently operate an exchange; if they buy something in Britain they pay for it with something they bring over there. That will be done away with and it will be better for the industrialist, the manufacturer, the exporter and the tourist.

Small countries will also do well. They are often at the mercy of financiers. When the currency crisis arose a number of financial whiz-kids targeted a certain country for their own financial gain. Is it possible that, before economic and monetary union comes into effect in 1999, financial wizards could derail a country's economy, as was done in the past? We must examine this point.

In his reply, perhaps the Minister could indicate what currency rating we will take at entry to economic and monetary union. Will the Punt be £1.01 against sterling if Britain joins or will we be higher or lower against other European currencies? How will the fixed figure be set? As far as I can gather, when economic and monetary union comes into force the participating countries will be required to surrender irrevocably national exchange rates as instruments of economic management. The figure will be fixed and I want to know what it will be. Will it be an average over a period of years or will it be whatever the rate is on 1 January 1999? That could be dangerous for some countries which might become the targets of financial whiz kids trying to make money off the backs of others.

The formation of a single European currency will result in a fundamental change in Irish society, even greater than the move to decimalisation in the early 1970s. Until recently it appeared there was a great deal of consensus on this issue but that has broken down of late, not necessarily among parties in the Oireachtas but among professional economists who wonder about our intentions when those of the British Government are less than clear. It must be great to be an economist. For years they have lectured us politicians about economic management, prior to the implementation of the Single European Act they informed us of the benefit of the Single Market and single currency, but now that we face the final hurdle they have become brides with itchy feet, unsure whether we should walk down the aisle.

Nonetheless, they are correct to take the issue seriously. I have already stated that the single currency has common support inside the House but, unfortunately, the issues giving rise to concern about our participation fall outside our powers. The issue is not so much about our attitude to the single currency as about our attitude to the British Government's stance on the single currency.

This is further complicated by two related issues. First, the British Government is deeply split on this issue. While current thinking is that Britain will not participate in the first wave of economic and monetary union, anyone who has witnessed the performance of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Ken Clarke, MP, an apparent supporter of Britain's participation, would hesitate to rule out the possibility that he will get his way.

The second issue is equally confusing. The British Government which will decide about participating in economic and monetary union is not the current Government but its successor following elections early next year. It is widely expected that the British Labour Party under the leadership of Mr. Tony Blair, MP, will win the election. His views on economic and monetary union are unclear, although Labour is devoid of the virulent anti-Europeanism which haunts the Conservatives. Mr. Blair has promised a referendum should Britain seek to join economic and monetary union in the first wave but it is far from clear what will be the preferred outcome of his Government. To complicate the matter further, it appears his Shadow Chancellor, Mr. Gordon Brown, MP, is well disposed to economic and monetary union but his Shadow Foreign Secretary, Mr. Robin Cook, MP, is not so keen. In this scenario, it is no wonder our economists are confused.

However, our Government's position is clear. It feels — as do I — that we should participate in the first wave of economic and monetary union regardless of the intentions of the British Government. I have a number of reasons for feeling that way. First, the economic discipline imposed on the Irish economy since our agreement to the Maastricht Treaty has been extremely beneficial — the figures for the strength of our economic performance indicate that. There is a debate in Britain on that country's inability to devalue its currency should it sign up for economic and monetary union. This strikes me as a ludicrous and self defeating manner in which to discuss a country's economic management. If devaluation was a successful tool of economic management, Great Britain would be among the world's leading economic powers; it is not.

Second, a great deal of concern in Ireland and in many other potential single currency states centres around the possible loss of competitiveness against Great Britain should it devalue against the single currency. However, I am confident it can be resolved. At present, Irish companies have to adjust to foreign exchange shocks. When the Irish pound depreciates against sterling a section of exporters complain that their trade is being endangered. When it appreciates against a continental basket of currencies, exporters to those countries voice their concerns. If one group is doing well, the other is not. However we only hear when they are doing badly. If we were to stay outside the single currency we would continue to be susceptible to shocks, possibly more than if we were included. The Minister for Finance and his European counterparts are working on a solution to that problem which I hope will include the imposition of some disciplines on the British Government which may allay fears in Ireland.

Third, the Government's position has been endorsed by the ESRI report commissioned by the Minister for Finance. I am not an economist, but I would not like to see Ireland being separated from the main engine of European economic development and our failure to participate in economic and monetary union would be perceived in this fashion by the external investors on whom Ireland relies so much for employment. Even if the ESRI suggested that the impact of a single currency would be neutral, my instinct would be to go ahead with it.

Culturally, our membership of the EU has been hugely beneficial. It has, in effect, given us the confidence to play a new role in the world and the Irish public is proud that a small country such as this is capable of having its voice heard. Reports from Europe state that the Presidency has been handled excellently by Ireland as it was before. Europe has allowed Ireland to put its relationship with Great Britain into perspective also. Our outlook is broader and more progressive as a result and I would like to that see it continue. I would also like to see more information being given to the general public and to children in our schools so that they will know that economic and monetary union is the economic and monetary system, not some bird from Australia.

This has been an interesting debate. It is extraordinary to think that this is the first debate on economic and monetary union in the Oireachtas. When the founding fathers of the European Communities came together in Messina they relaunched Europe at an intergovernmental conference and drafted what was to become the Treaties of Rome. It was never intended that the new adventure would stop with a simple customs union. It was intended, first, to achieve a common market and, thereafter, to achieve progressively closer economic co-operation and integration between the member states. The next phase was always to achieve an economic union, followed by a monetary union and, finally, European political union.

In spite of all this, there was little consciousness of the ultimate aims of Europe when Ireland joined the European Communities. The objectives set out in the 1950s are not only achievable but are welcome, and Ireland should be enthusiastically committed to them. The alternative was a divided Europe, a Europe that was at war with itself, a Europe that did not achieve its full economic potential, a Europe where there had been starvation and deprivation.

The Maastricht Treaty, one of the most impenetrable jargon ridden documents ever launched on the unsuspecting public set out, nonetheless, to give a further impetus to this process and it achieved a number of things. It firmly established the European Union, replacing the European Communities. It also charted the course ahead for member states and, in effect, rededicated the Community to progress along a set of parallel roads aimed at achieving ever closer integration. The treaty in its own impenetrable diplomatic jargon spoke of itself being based on three pillars: amendment of the existing treaties, common foreign and security policy and further co-operation in a variety of areas not touched on in earlier treaties, such as justice and home affairs.

The treaty has seven different titles; the first deals with what needs to be done on an institutional basis; the next three titles deal successively with amendments to the EEC Treaty, the ECSC Treaty and to the Euratom Treaty; the fifth title deals with common foreign and security policy, a debate on which is needed in this House; the sixth title deals with justice and home affairs and the seventh deals with the final provisions. Tucked in among all of these are the treaty's provisions and hopes for economic and monetary union. The targets set by the Maastricht Treaty for economic and monetary union are, to say the least, ambitious. The treaty provides that economic and monetary union is to be achieved in three stages by 1999 at the latest. It identifies three separate but interlinked stages in regard to the achievement of economic and monetary union.

The first stage in the process of economic and monetary union was the Single European Act, 1990, which preceded the treaty. It began in July 1990 and completes the Single Market bringing about greater convergence between the economies of the member states and is aimed at accomplishing closer co-operation and co-ordination of member states' economic and monetary policies. While the intention of the Treaty came into effect in the first stage, many of the key provisions relating to this co-ordination were not operative immediately but were to come into effect throughout the second and third stages of economic and monetary union.

Much of what was intended in the first stage has been achieved and a great deal has also been achieved in the second stage. The objectives of this stage — the Maastricht Treaty — began on 1 January 1994. This is the transitional stage, the one in which we find ourselves at present. During this stage the process of policy co-ordination in economic and monetary fields is to be intensified. Much of this work is done by ECOFIN. Economic policy co-operation based on multilateral surveillance of member state policies within the context of broad guidelines for member states laid down by the Council of Ministers after discussion with the European Council were to be the hallmark of this second stage — the Maastricht criteria. This process is intended to be supplemented by treaty constraints on budget deficits of member states and on the manner in which they are financed. Within the treaty member states are allowed to retain a certain degree of responsibility for their own policies within this overall framework.

The EMI is established in the second stage with the aim of closer co-ordination of monetary policies for members states and also of preparing the monetary aspects of the third stage. The EMI is a very important transitional institution aimed at putting in place the various building blocks to achieve the third stage.

The third stage, the major breakthrough, begins on 1 January 1999 at the latest; or the treaty optimistically allows for an earlier date for the start of that stage if all the relevant conditions have been met; and we all know the relevant conditions will not be met. When the third stage starts the European system of central banks consisting of the ECB, and the central banks of the member states, will come fully into operation. Another major revolutionary step will be the introduction of the European currency unit, the Euro, which is a dreadfully unadventurous title. The single currency will mark a major breakthrough — a revolution in many ways. The Euro will become a currency in its own right and the rates at which member states relate to it will be irrevocably fixed through the Council.

The European Central Bank will be an independent body along the lines of the Irish Central Bank, but perhaps more closely modelled on the Bundesbank. It will have exclusive responsibility for the formulation and implementation of single monetary policy throughout Europe. At the start of the third stage the Council will adopt the other measures necessary to introduce the Euro as a single currency and set the date for its implementation.

It is worth reminding ourselves of the intention of the Maastricht Treaty. By any standard, these are monumental undertakings. In terms of the economies of the member states, they represent a revolution which will fuse the individual economies in a single pan-European economy. They are very adventurous and other speakers pointed out that it is important to understand the significance of what will happen. The arrival of a single currency will bring it irrevocably home to people that we exist in a new form of entity and that we are not in a broad customs union or common market to which we have some reference but which does not have much impact on our lives.

Our daily lives will be different from the moment the European currency comes into effect and the ECB takes over and starts to run monetary policy. Member governments will have surrendered a vast amount of sovereignty in these moves, particularly overall responsibility for monetary policy and a significant amount of sovereign rights with regard to individual economic policy. The frightening aspect is that while the second stage of the process is well advanced, there has been little informed public debate and much less public education on what this all means in terms of the implications for business, jobs and the people.

It is particularly reprehensible that so little time has been spent debating economic and monetary union in either House of the Oireachtas. This is the first full debate in either House, which is an extraordinary state of affairs. There have been a number of discussions on economic and monetary union in two Oireachtas committees but when I sought the reports earlier in the Library, I was informed that their deliberations have not yet been published. This is extraordinary because it means there is no attempt to channel and develop a public debate on the ramifications of economic and monetary union. It is disconcerting to realise that less effort has been invested in this process than on decimalisation or even metrification. More money was put into educating the public about those devices than economic and monetary union.

It is worth reminding ourselves that time has passed and nothing has happened. The Maastricht Treaty was signed on behalf of the people in February 1992 and the referendum was put to the people and passed in June 1992. It appears that public debate on the matter ended at that stage, apart from the excellent series of debate conducted by the Institute of European Affairs and the excellent document produced by the ESRI. Other than those, there has been no publicly initiated debate on economic and monetary union in the State.

Some blame for this reprehensible silence lies with all the major political parties that have participated in Government over the last four and a half years. In that time, there have been major changes in the personalities holding ministerial office with one exception, the Minister for Foreign Affairs. In the past, the Department of Foreign Affairs and the Minister led the way in terms of creating public awareness and acceptance of all major EU initiatives, such as the post-entry negotiations period in 1973, the preparations for the Single European Act and various other occasions when Europe was an issue. The Minister for Foreign Affairs has a specific responsibility which was always recognised in the past. However, that was when the Minister was resident in the country and not in some form of semi permanent orbit between the world's major hot spots, telling their populations how to do what we so conspicuously cannot do among ourselves on this island. Perhaps that debate is for another day.

It appears to suit Government to ignore the complexities of the economic and monetary union debate. Some members of the Government are enthusiastic about economic and monetary union and I do not doubt the enthusiasm and energy that the Minister for Finance is willing to put into the matter. It is a complex and potentially divisive debate and perhaps it is better for some people that it should be swept under the carpet and resurrected after the next election rather than expose us to differences and various nuances which evidently exist in Cabinet.

I compliment the Minister on his contribution, which was the most comprehensive statement relating to Ireland's entry into economic and monetary union to date. However, a plethora of areas remain to be addressed in public debate; many of these were missed in the Minister's contribution. The most obvious is a matter on which Senator Quinn touched. Will enough member states be in a position to meet the Maastricht criteria in time? It is extremely ambitious at this stage to suggest that they will be in such a position. As Senator Quinn said, what happens if only a small number of member states meet the criteria? This issue has not been addressed. Where will the balance of our national interest lie then? This aspect has not been addressed either.

What will we do if only one or two major states are ready to meet the criteria in addition to Ireland and Luxembourg? The Minister is correct that these two countries technically meet the criteria at this stage. Will we join economic and monetary union or remain outside? Will Ireland's entry into economic and monetary union be contingent on British adherence? What are the implications if confusion across the Irish Sea hardens into outright opposition? While we should not make our decisions on the basis of their decisions, we should give more thought to the implications of the confusion in which they find themselves. It is the Government's responsibility to lead the debate on this matter. It should not be left to individual economic think tanks or chambers of commerce. The Government's responsibility has not been fulfilled to date, despite the Minister's excellent contribution to this debate.

There is wide acceptance that high average rates of unemployment will be aggravated further by efforts to meet the qualifying criteria. Members referred to the creative accounting in a number of member states to artificially meet the criteria. There is an awareness in Europe of the need for a major joint initiative to combat the jobs crisis, particularly long-term unemployment. However, can such a policy be consistent with the drive towards economic and monetary union? The trade off between the two policies needs open and honest debate. We are enthusiastic about economic and monetary union but we must realise and ensure we are truthful with the people about the consequences. One of these may be that Government and pan-European initiatives to address the jobs crisis must be mooted. If that is a cost of economic and monetary union, we should say so and identify the extent of it.

We must accept that not all 15 member states will be ready for economic and monetary union by 1999. What happens to their currencies is another issue. Will they be allowed to float freely or will they be restrained in an additional broad band of currencies? If so, how will such a mechanism work? What institutional arrangements will be required to put such a procedure into operation?

It is clear that the European Monetary Institute or the European Central Bank would not be the appropriate institution. If there has to be some transitional stage for a number of European states, we should start thinking about the institutional arrangements which will achieve that. Neither in Ireland's Presidency nor in any other part of the European debate has any attention been given to the institutional arrangements which will be needed to meet the inevitable fact that all 15 member states will not be ready at the same time.

What will happen if Britain does not join and sterling is allowed to float freely outside the system? What protection can we introduce for ourselves? Thankfully, we are far less dependent now on the British market than we were. The days when a discreet telephone call on policy always had to be made from Merrion Square to the Treasury are thankfully gone, although it is not too many years since that was the case. However, despite all that has been achieved, Britain is still our major trading partner across the economic spectrum and in a series of vital areas. What will happen if Euro-scepticism wins out in Britain and it stays out of the economic and monetary union, either initially or completely?

In the Minister's excellent and technical speech, which was helpful to commentators and students of economic and monetary union, he dealt only very briefly with the situation of the United Kingdom. If there was any major weakness in his speech it was that section. He concluded that the UK position is unclear and that speculating about it will not make it any clearer, which is true. He was also right that the clear priority is to ensure that, whatever happens, Ireland qualifies for economic and monetary union. However, there is also a responsibility on the Government and the Minister to ensure we are prepared for the contingency that our single most important trading partner will take an alternative course of action, at least initially.

I have been looking at press cuttings and it is interesting to note that as recently as July the Tánaiste, whose contributions on this would be very welcome, expressed doubts that Britain would be among the first wave of countries in the single currency. Notwithstanding the extraordinary contribution made by Mr. Clarke yesterday, it seems there is every reason to fear it will stay out. There is no sign in what the Minister said here or in anything the partners in Government have said that there is contingency planning in hand for these issues.

Contingency planning does not solve every problem but it has benefits, not least of which is the fact that it forces us to think of all the possible good and bad scenarios. Excellent though the Minister's speech was, there was no indication in it that any contingency planning in relation to Britain is being done in the Departments of Finance and Foreign Affairs or anywhere else. Ireland holds the Presidency at a critical time. There should be national contingency planning for this eventuality and at European level. It is disturbing there has been no public utterance on this matter or no sign that such planning is in hand.

It is not good enough to suggest it will be all right on the night. If that is the attitude we are adopting, we are playing a very dangerous game. We are gambling with the livelihoods and well being of tens of thousands of citizens in this State and throughout Europe. There is a responsibility on the Government to make contingency plans from the Irish people's point of view. The Irish Presidency also has a responsibility in this regard at European level.

The Minister stated in his speech that Ireland's record on the convergence criteria is excellent, which is correct. Our pound trades very comfortably, as he noted, within the ERM. Inflation is very low and our interest rates, particularly the strategically important long-term rates, are well within the required ceilings. It is, perhaps, a pity the Minister's speech contained no reference to the hard work of his three immediate predecessors whose courage presented this Minister with a portfolio and economy in rude good health.

He did actually say that.

However, political generosity does not seem to be in vogue with the Minister's party at the moment, particularly when it involves any credit being given to the "chancers" in Fianna Fáil. However, there are quite a few chancers in the current Administration too. In spite of the recent departures, we still have signs that public expenditure is growing dramatically out of hand.

It was surprising that such a superbly crafted speech did not have enough to say about public expenditure, which is growing like a beef bullock on an exclusive diet of angel dust. The reality is that we happen to have a very healthy economy and we can tolerate the level of expansion in public expenditure at the moment. However, what will happen to our economy if Britain does not join the economic and monetary union? What will happen when we are faced with a different rate for sterling? What will happen if that has a knock-on effect on jobs? What will happen if unemployment starts to grow? We will be back into deficit, not through any fault of this Minister but, I suspect, because of faults of some of his Cabinet colleagues who seem to think we can spend without making any effort to tighten the reins.

I have generously acknowledged the Minister's speech. However, there are danger signals that in the year ahead public expenditure will once again get ahead of where it should be. There is reason at this stage to pay attention not just to public expenditure from the point of view of our internal budgetary criteria but also at the impact which dramatically accelerating public expenditure will have on our capacity to meet the convergence criteria.

As I said, it struck me that during the course of the Minister's comprehensive speech he did not really touch on the issue of public expenditure. I do not believe that was an oversight. Could it be that the Minister has some concerns which he has not expressed here or that he has no concerns in this regard? I have never known a Minister for Finance who did not have concerns about public expenditure.

In terms of European integration, economic and monetary union is the next great adventure. In spite of the potential dangers and problems which have been outlined or ignored today, we, as a nation, have little option but to commit ourselves fully to economic and monetary union. We have gone so far down the European road that it would be a devastating mistake to try to turn back.

While we might be convinced of this direction. I remind the Minister and all public representatives that a huge amount of public education on economic and monetary union is required. The last speaker rightly made the point that when one talks to some people about economic and monetary union they think of a flightless bird. We have a responsibility to lead public debate in this most important area and to ensure there is a comprehensive appreciation of all the positives and negatives associated with economic and monetary union.

The Government has a particular responsibility as Governments have to lead public debate. So far, we have seen very little leadership in this area. I hope todays's excellent debate and the considerable contribution of the Minister will be the beginning of something better. I believe that we, as a people, will come out of this new adventure at the far end and will benefit by it. However, we have a public responsibility, which is not being met at the moment, to ensure the people know in full all the positives and negatives of economic and monetary union and all the challenges which face this small, open economy in the years ahead.

It would be churlish not to compliment the Minister on an excellent speech. However, I encourage him and his fellow Ministers to take the debate out of these Houses and into the street because there is a dangerous gulf in public appreciation of what all this implies.

In so far as I understand the core of the Government's policy that we should be eligible for membership of the first wave of economic and monetary union on 1 January 1999, it is the correct one. I support being ready to enter economic and monetary union on that date, whatever I might think of economic and monetary union itself. However, I am still divided in my own mind on whether I wish that date to be achieved. That said, there seems to be a deal of undue complacency in the Minister's speech and the queries in that regard from Senator Quinn and Senator Roche are well taken.

Some of my hobby horses are peculiar to me. In particular, I have a weakness for language considerations. The Minister referred to an "independent" European central bank. I love the word "independent" because what it means in this context is a central bank which is, in effect, independent of any democratically based political influence. That may be good; it is often said that bankers ought not to be the victims of political interference. An independent European central bank which consists of people who have no mandate from any democratic authority, apart from their initial appointment, is too complacent a way to describe the handing over the formulation of monetary policy, particularly in a period when fiscal policy will be extremely restricted. It may be the right course of action but its implications should be more clearly explained rather than being subsumed in the term "independent" which tends to have positive connotations.

The Minister also referred to "closer co-ordination of the economic and budgetary policies of participating member states". Co-ordination is another lovely idea to which very few can be opposed. Do we co-ordinate Germany's economic and budgetary policy in the same way as Germany co-ordinates ours? The implication that there are 15 equal member states co-ordinating one another's policies strikes me as highly imaginative. I would rather the Minister had not referred to the theory of what might have happened after 1 January 1994 when stage two began, but what has happened so far in terms of the "multilateral surveillance of policies". I do not know if that is as attractive a phrase as "co-ordination" or if it is regarded as good, but it would be nice to know what has happened and what tendencies have been established.

In large measure, We have been spared the multilateral surveillance given that our finances are in a reasonably healthy condition and that we are conforming broadly to the Maastricht criteria by a combination of luck and good policy. However, we are conforming at a convenient time from our point of view. This saves us from having to interrogate many of the assumptions underlying economic and monetary union and the appropriateness of the criteria adopted because we happen to be satisfying them. If we were not satisfying them for reasons which might be no more to our discredit than they are to our credit, we might have a more exploratory and interrogative approach to the criteria.

The Minister said that the emphasis in the reports on economic and monetary union will be on the achievement of a "high degree of sustainable convergence". What does "sustainable" mean? How does one determine in advance what is sustainable? How does one determine what is its timeframe? How can one determine in advance what is a "high degree of sustainable convergence" as distinct from unsustainable convergence?

We may say that various member states, those deplorable creatures on mainland Europe, are fiddling their books in various ways and that that is not sustainable but they may be able to get over a rough passage and achieve sustainability after that. How does one determine "sustainable"? It is like the IDA criteria for jobs some years ago when we changed from "job targets", which it transpired were rarely achieved, to the creation of "sustainable jobs". However, we provided figures for sustainability five years in advance rather than five years retrospectively. There are many statistics about sustainable job creation provided in advance of the sustainability being tested in practice. I suspect a certain amount of sustainable convergence in EU terms is based on the same criterion.

The Minister said:

ECOFIN will then assess whether each member state fulfils the necessary conditions for the adoption of a single currency and will recommend its findings to the European Council. The European Parliament will be consulted and will forward its opinion to the European Council also.

If the two opinions are different, which wise men or women will decide which is the correct opinion? I am sure there are legal criteria but it would be interesting to know what mechanisms will be in place for reconciling conflicting opinions in this context. The 3 per cent deficit criterion can only be overcome if it is "small, exceptional and temporary". How will that be defined in advance? If it could be defined in advance the deficit situation might never have arisen.

One is intrigued with the exit routes and the loopholes; I am not necessarily opposed to them. The instruction not to enter box unless the exit is clear is not one which Finance Ministers can always pursue. However, one might be more up-front with what is happening in the real world if such phraseology, which elides the challenge of decision making, had been confronted in a more forthright way. The Minister said that "given continued growth" we are on course to satisfy the criteria. We hope the growth will be sustained through to the relevant dates. It is an interesting qualification on the general complacency of the presentation.

When the Euro is introduced, if an exchange crisis arises, what is the decision making mechanism for coping with it? Perhaps the Euro will be such a strong currency or so immune from wider currency transactions or turbulence in global markets that the issue will not arise. However, in relation to the establishment of the initial exchange rates the Minister said:

Article 109 of the Treaty gives the Council of Ministers a clear role in the setting of exchange rate policy. It provides that the Council may, acting unanimously on a recommendation from the ECB or from the Commission [I do not know what the status of recommendations from the ECB versus the Commission may be] conclude formal agreements on an exchange rate system for the Euro in relation to non-Community currencies, having first consulted the ECB in an endeavour to reach a consensus consistent with the objective of price stability and having also consulted the European Parliament.

That is not an overnight decision making process. I do not know if it would apply to changes in subsequent exchange rates between the Euro and other currencies or what decision making mechanism is envisaged if such a situation should arise.

The Minister indicated that on 1 January 1999 the Council will adopt the conversion rates at which the currencies of the member states participating in economic and monetary union will be irrevocably fixed against each other and against the Euro. Do we have a policy on what we would like our rate to be? At present we are at the top of our band in the ERM. Do we want to be at a higher or lower rate in relation to the other currencies and the Euro?

The Minister said "The primary objective of the ESCB, which will comprise the ECB and the central banks of the member states, will be to maintain price stability". Without prejudice to this objective, it will also have several other objectives, some of which have traditionally been regarded as incompatible, at least in a rigorous sense, with price stability. I would like to know the relative weightings of those objectives. I know there can be no answer but I would like to see the gyrations involved in evading an answer, although it may not be a fair question.

The section on accountability of the ECB is one of the blandest ever presented to this or the other House. The Minister said accountability of the ECB is also provided for — it must present a report to the Council and the Parliament, which may hold a debate on it. However, this does not matter because none of the bodies which will hold debates have the authority to impose any type of alternative policy on the ECB. The Minister also said that these arrangements are similar to those operating in Ireland, where the Central Bank is independent but must operate within a framework for exchange rate policy set down by the Minister for Finance and must present an annual report to the Oireachtas, while its Governor appears before the Select Committee on Finance and General Affairs of Dáil Éireann. I am sure the President of the Governing Council of the ECB must be quaking in his shoes at the prospect of such an obstacle course. The last part of that statement — I am not sure the Minister of State at the Department of Justice, Deputy Currie, will appreciate the analogy — almost reminds me of Archbishop McQuaid who, after coming back from the Second Vatican Council, said people should not be concerned that the tranquility of their lives — in this case financial lives — would change because nothing will really change.

There is a lot of potential in the ECB if it works according to the letter, although one always hopes that politics will get between the letter of economic and financial policy and the real world in order to put a human face on it. If it works strictly according to statute, we could face an almighty shock. This section needs to be tightened if one is to accurately inform the people of the implications of membership of economic and monetary union.

I am also concerned about member states' economic and budgetary policies, the possible stability pact, sanctions for Governments which fail to abide by the criteria on budget deficits and so on. These criteria are probably sensible in most circumstances. However, one would not apply sanctions in most circumstances but in exceptional circumstances. What will be the likely effect on people's attitudes towards the European Union if they find that their Government must pay fines or accept sanctions from Brussels because it failed to comply with these criteria, although it agreed to the criteria in advance? I suspect it can only result in a weakening of public commitment to the European Union. That may not matter at that stage because one assumes integration will have proceeded so far that there is no going back. However, if I was anxious to ensure optimum public support for further integration, I would not litter the discussion so liberally with talk of sanctions, fines and penalties for transgressing the criteria laid down. I would try to find a more positive phraseology to dress up in appropriate swaddling clothes those particular mechanisms for ensuring financial responsibility.

The Minister talked about low and fairly uniform interest rates among participating member states. One can probably ensure fairly uniform, though not identical, interest rates through mechanisms. We do not have the power to dictate low interest rates in advance. Although we may say they will be lower than they would otherwise be in the circumstances which may prevail at the time in the absence of economic and monetary union, it is beyond our capacity to guarantee low in an absolute sense in advance. We are giving a misleading impression to the public about the guaranteed low interest rates under economic and monetary union, if that is what we mean by it.

As far as increased attractiveness of participating member states to foreign investment is concerned, perhaps there will be but what concerns us is our relative attractiveness to foreign investment. We are more heavily dependent on foreign investment than any other member state in terms of the ratio of total industrial employment and of industrial exports. We need a clinical assessment of the implications of economic and monetary union for foreign investment in Ireland, although I am not saying it would necessarily be negative. A global statement on the effect of increased attractiveness of participating member states to foreign investment is meaningless unless we know how it will affect us specifically.

The Minister also referred to a voice in decisions about the single monetary policy of the Union. That raises a number of interesting questions about our power within the ECB and the place of the Central Bank vis-a-vis the Department of Finance in policy making in Ireland. As I understand it, and I am prepared to be told I am wrong, interest rates, which are probably the single most important issue, are to be determined by a straight vote in the European Central Bank. There is no weighting of the votes of member states. I find it inconceivable that a German vote will count the same as a Greek vote or an Irish vote on such a matter and there is a German core which extends beyond Germany. However, it appears that an Irish representative there, the Governor of the Central Bank, will have a significant potential influence on European interest rate policy.

The fact that the potential of fiscal policy will be severely constrained under economic and monetary union suggests that a power shift could occur — it will probably depend on the terms of the stability pact — between the Department of Finance and the Central Bank in terms of relative influence on Irish economic policy. If one were to push a stability pact to the outer reaches of what the Germans would like, one might almost suggest that the Minister for Finance, in a great sacrificial gesture to Euro unity, is coming close to abolishing the position of Minister for Finance or Secretary of the Department of Finance in the future. I am sure that will not happen but there are interesting implications for the relative balance of decision-making power between monetary and fiscal authorities in the State, given the shifting balance between the roles of monetary and fiscal authority in Europe. I would love to see those probed further by the Minister and in further public discussion.

I want to take up the issue of what the economists call, with classic attention to attractive phraseology, asymmetric shocks. We all know what asymmetric shocks mean so I will not labour the definition. However, there is little in the paper under the implications for Ireland of economic and monetary union about what specific provisions are being made in the current negotiations for shocks to this country which may arise from circumstances beyond our control, such as fluctuations in sterling. The implications of that are being explored — I do not envisage a doomsday scenario — and Senator Calnan had an excellent section in this regard. There are potential shocks from movements in sterling which are beyond our control. We are heavily reliant on foreign investment, we have an exceptional agriculture sector and there are the potential implications of changes in CAP in a few years' time. We have a labour market which is uncommonly influenced by movements in neighbouring labour markets. Our negotiators should spell out now and not leave it for future discussions and negotiations what provision is envisaged for Ireland suffering, for reasons beyond its control, from the impact of one or more of these shocks. We should not depend on goodwill or on our legendary capacity for getting it right on the night. Senator Roche is right both in general European terms and in specific Irish terms, to ask what is contingency planning and what are the specific contingency provisions for shocks that may occur, not because of some wild hysterical leaps of the imagination but because they could be foreseen in Ireland's case. I would like to be confident that the Government has taken every possible step to ensure that provision is made in advance to respond to such shocks. This is not a begging bowl mentality nor is it asking for special treatment because we are somehow globally backward; it simply recognises the reality of circumstances pertaining to the economy currently and what responses are envisaged for a negative impact on those circumstances as a result of our agreeing with or being enthusiastic for economic and monetary union. We are entitled to ask for adequate compensation in the event of things going wrong.

I am a little concerned that under the heading "Preparations needed", the main policy of the Government appears to be flexibility — I am back to vocabulary here, "independence", "coordination", "sustainable growth" and "flexibility". What does "flexibility" mean? Flexibility means de facto that somebody else bears the burden of the change. Flexibility in wage levels means either lower wages or lower increases than would be obtained by screwing up bargaining power in the short-term. On the whole, flexibility is a triumph of hope or faith over the evidence of how people behave in difficult circumstances. Flexibility is basically a substitute for policy rather than a policy as such. It would be wonderful if it could happen but in the real world one does not get anything like the degree of flexibility one would envisage.

If I were a member of a political party representing workers and I read that part of the requirements of progress towards this wonderful new State we will be in are moderate wage increases in the successor to the Programme for Competitiveness and Work, I would ask how it is that progress always seems to mean moderate wage increases. For many people progress means the highest wage increases they can get. I happen to agree with the objective from a national point of view but I would not if I were reflecting this sector.

In terms of practical preparations, I watched Senator Quinn raise the Superquinn poster for next week. It is admirable that the Government should strive to educate the public on the implications of the Euro replacing the punt but there is a problem. While I cannot say I am a representative shopper, when I looked at the poster I saw the price is higher in Euros than in punts. I venture to suggest that many people will not have the time to absorb the complexities of economic theory on the Euro. Their first reaction will be that the Euro means paying more for everything in the shops. That is guaranteed to evince a negative response in a substantial number of people. An education campaign is required to explain, as far as one can, that these apparently higher prices are really not higher at all; they are just figures on a poster. I wish the Government luck in getting that message across on programmes hosted by Gay Byrne, Pat Kenny and Marion Finucane. It should be done as emphatically as possible.

I was interested to hear Senator Calnan talking about the cultural impact on our psyches of EU membership. That dimension is missing from the Minister's speech. As Senator Roche said, the speech was beautifully crafted but there should be a paragraph in the conclusions to mention the broader political dimension and the implications for where Europe goes either with or without economic and monetary union. It should mention the issue Senator Quinn raised about an inner and outer Europe as well as what problems of division economic and monetary union may bring if only a small number of member states sign up in the first instance. What is the potential for divisiveness? How does one try to ensure that, for those of us who are Europeans, the European enterprise continues at the fastest possible rate in the light of the potential creaking in the ship with people navigating at different speeds and possibly in different directions? Neither the political dimension nor the psychological and cultural ones should be entirely ignored. I realise that the Minister has not ignored them in other contexts. This is not meant to be a cheap shot but, in trying to explain to people where we want to go in economic and monetary union and where we want economic and monetary union to go, more attention should be paid to the fuller perspectives of European integration.

With those few qualifications, I heartily endorse the Government's policy on our intended membership of economic and monetary union.

Sitting suspended at 5.35 p.m. and resumed at 6 p.m.
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