Skip to main content
Normal View

Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 25 Mar 1999

Vol. 158 No. 16

Social Welfare Bill, 1999: Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

I am pleased to be here to present my second Social Welfare Bill to this House. This is a significant Bill which provides for substantial improvements in the rates of social welfare payments announced in the budget. In addition, it also contains a significant package of improvements for carers, new schemes for low income farmers and fishermen and a new bereavement grant.

A number of these measures were already announced in the budget. Since budget day, however, I have secured Government approval for a number of further improvements, which are included in the Bill, costing over £15 million in 1999 and more in successive years. These include the provision of an additional £5 million in 1999 to bring forward the commencement of the farm assist scheme to the beginning of April; the introduction of measures to improve the position of low income fishermen, costing £1 million in a full year; very significantly, the introduction of a bereavement grant scheme, costing £10 million in a full year to replace the existing death grant scheme which incorporates a five-fold increase in the grant to £500, with easier qualifying conditions; additional enhancements to the pension improvements for self-employed persons aged over 56 in April 1988, costing £1 million in a full year, on top of my previous announcement; the significant extension of the back to work allowance to carers and changes in the provisions to allow certain lone parents retain their entitlement to deserted wife's benefit and allowance and prisoner's wife's allowance.

In overall terms, the resources provided by the Government for social welfare improvements in the Bill amount to more than £317 million in a full year. This is a 33 per cent increase on last year and a 49 per cent increase on the last budget of the previous Government in 1994.

The Bill addresses commitments set out in the Government's An Action Programme for the Millennium aimed at building an inclusive society and fulfilling key commitments in Partnership 2000. This Government is committed to a strategic approach to poverty and social inclusion. Immediately on taking office, we established a Cabinet Subcommittee on Social Inclusion and Drugs to co-ordinate policy across Departments. We have also made great progress in meeting the targets set out in the national anti-poverty strategy, NAPS. In the near future I will publish an assessment of how we are doing on the specific targets set out in NAPS on the basis of ESRI and other research. I would like to think we could update the key targets in NAPS in light of the rapidly changing circumstances as part of the Government's social inclusion strategy.

With regard to income adequacy, for example, a key commitment in this area was the achievement of the Commission on Social Welfare's minimum recommended rates by the end of 1999. This target is being achieved in the Bill. With regard to progress on unemployment, the rate of unemployment is 6.8 per cent for February 1999. This means the target for the end of 2000 set out in the employment action plan has been achieved. We are near to achieving the unemployment targets set out in NAPS. The live register has fallen by 53,500 since we took up office. Long-term unemployment has dropped by 40,000 in the past two years.

As part of the budget package I was pleased to announce new and enhanced employment support measures to help long-term unemployed people back to work. The number of places on the back to work allowance scheme is being increased by 2,000 to 29,000 from January 1999 and, from next July 1,000 places will be reserved for a special pilot scheme for the long-term unemployed – those unemployed for five years or more.

The Government is committed to adopting a families first approach by putting the family at the centre of all its policies as enunciated in the programme for Government and our pre-election policy documents. Through this Bill we are investing more than £40 million in the family this year through major increases in child benefit of £3 per month for the first two children to £34.50, and £4 for subsequent children to £46.

In line with this pro-family approach as set out in our programme and in response to the recommendations of the Commission on the Family we established a family affairs unit in the Department. More than £2 million is being provided by the Government to support marriage counselling, child counselling in relation to parental separation, marriage preparation programmes and bereavement counselling and support. The enhancement of the family and community centre programme is another important objective. By the end of this year, 50 centres will be funded under the programme.

The nationwide expansion of the family mediation service, a key objective in our action programme, is rapidly moving ahead. In addition to the Dublin and Limerick services, the family mediation service is now providing services from regional centres in Cork, Tralee, Wexford, Athlone and Dundalk. Next Monday I will officially open the Galway family mediation service providing services for people in Galway and Mayo. I also plan to expand the service to the western region of Dublin and the north-west of the country by the end of this year. This will fulfil our election promises.

In recent months, I was very pleased to have the opportunity to meet many of the voluntary groups who work with families at a local level. Many Senators will have received invitations to the family services information fora being held throughout the country. Thus far, fora have been held in Wexford, Dundalk, Athlone and Limerick and will continue throughout the country in the coming months. On Monday, the Galway forum will take place to coincide with the launch of the family mediation service. The fora provide an opportunity for local voluntary organisations and community groups who work with families to discuss with me and my officials the issues they encounter in their work in supporting families. Their views on the priorities for supporting families in today's changing social and economic environment are critically important for the future development of family services and policies.

The Bill contains a number of measures designed to improve the position of older people. In our action programme we committed ourselves to increasing the rate of contributory old-age pension to £100 over a five-year period. The Government provided a special increase of £5 per week in last year's budget in the maximum rates of payment. This year we are going a step further by providing an increase of £6 per week in such payments. This means the contributory old age pension will now amount to £89 per week, an increase of £11 or 14 per cent on the rate when the Government took office and one third more than the Rainbow Coalition provided in three budgets.

The Government is also committed to substantial increases in other social welfare payments. The personal rates of social welfare payments other than those for older people are being increased by at least £3 per week. A special increase of £3.60 per week is being provided in the short-term rate of unemployment assistance and supplementary welfare allowance. This ensures these two rates now exceed the minimum rate set by the commission, thus fulfilling the commitment in Partnership 2000.

I will outline some of the key provisions in the Bill. Part III, sections 10 to 14, provides for the implementation of the package of improvements for carer's allowance. I want this Government to be known as the Government that put an end to taking carers for granted. We took a hard look at the situation by carrying out an interdepartmental review of the carer's allowance. That review resulted in a number of proposals for improvements. I have accepted and acted on those proposals. Last year some Members of both Houses said we did not go far enough concerning carers. At that time I gave a commitment that because of the on-going nature of the review we would look at the proposals once the review was completed. The review was published in the middle of 1998 and we have more than acted upon its recommendations. I have acted on those pro posals to the benefit of 11,500 carers. I have also ensured that almost 3,500 new people will qualify for the first time for the carer's allowance.

From now on those who care for children in receipt of a domiciliary care allowance will be eligible for the carer's allowance. This is the most significant move in this area even though it has not received the most publicity and will cost about £9 million. Eligibility is being extended to the carer of anyone between 16 and 65 who requires full-time care and attention. We are relaxing the residency conditions for receipt of the allowance and the full-time care and attention rules. This issue was raised by Senators and Deputies. Carers' social insurance records will be preserved and we are giving income disregards to carers in their own right.

One of the main problems facing carers can be isolation. We are addressing this in a number of ways. For example, we are extending the free telephone rental scheme to all people receiving carer's allowance and the free travel scheme to carers of people receiving constant attendance allowance and prescribed relative's allowance. One of the most important changes for many carers will be the annual payment of £200 as a contribution towards respite care to all qualifying carers – about 15,000 people. All of these moves add up to a 40 per cent increase on last year's expenditure which Members on all sides will accept is a major increase. It amounts to an extra £18 million for this year alone on top of £45 million spent last year, a total of £63 million. The carer's allowance started in 1990 with an estimate of £100,000. In the intervening nine years it has increased to £63 million.

A key recommendation of the review was the introduction of the system of needs assessment. This will take account of the needs both of the carer and the person being cared for. The Government has decided that such a system should be introduced and a working group chaired by the Minster of State at the Department of Health and Children, Deputy Moffatt, has been established. The review proposed the introduction of PRSI carer's benefit to facilitate carers in employment to temporarily leave work to care. This would be financed through the PRSI system. The proposal would require a small increase in each of the current employee and employer PRSI rates depending on the level of Exchequer contribution. The proposal deserves fuller examination and I would be interested in the views of the social partners in this regard.

Carers all around the country look after people in their homes and communities. They make a huge contribution to keeping our society humane and decent. I am committed to improving their situation, but it is not just the commitment of one Department. The Minister for Finance, the Minister for Health and Children and the Minister for the Environment and Local Government have recently introduced a range of measures to help carers because the Government sees it as an essential multi-faceted approach. The Minister for Finance extended the tax allowance of £8,500 available to the spouse being cared for to the extended family. While it diverges from the proposals in our general election manifesto and the programme for Government, it was considered after examination to be a more equitable beneficial change. The Minister for Health and Children has introduced other initiatives on respite care and the Minister for the Environment and Local Government has introduced changes to the disabled person's grant which were announced in the budget, where the Government decided to introduce a co-ordinated response to the issue of carers.

Part IV provides the legislative basis for the new farm assist scheme announced in the budget. The scheme represents an important new development in the provision of income support for farmers. While the impetus for its introduction stems from the current difficulties facing farmers, it must be recognised that the scheme is not a temporary one related to the current situation but will be an ongoing feature of the social welfare system.

Section 15 provides that the new allowance will be paid to farmers who are aged between 18 and 66 years and who satisfy a means test. The maximum weekly rate will be the equivalent of the long-term rate of unemployment assistance payable from next June, £73.50. Increases for qualified adults and child dependants will also be provided on a similar basis as for other social welfare payments. Income from capital will be assessed on the same basis as long-term social assistance payments.

Section 16 provides for the assessment of means for entitlement to the new payment. Under this section the farmer's net income from self-employment, including farming, will be assessed at the rate of 80 per cent instead of on a pound for pound basis, as currently applies under the smallholder's unemployment assistance scheme. In addition, in the case of the family farm, the amount of £100 per annum for each of the first two children and £200 for each subsequent child will be disregarded when assessing the net income from the farm.

The budget provides a full-year allocation of £15 million to cover the cost of the scheme. The House will be pleased to note that the Government has decided to provide for entitlement to payment under the farm assist scheme from the first week of April 1999. We made this decision subsequent to the budget. We provided £5 million in the budget which would have allowed the scheme to start some time in June. We have now provided an extra £5 million to bring payments back to 1 April. To allow for the necessary means testing and other preparatory work, the first payments, including arrears, will be made in the first week of June and earlier where possible. These will be back-dated to the beginning of April.

Given that the farm assist scheme is being introduced shortly, I have already made arrange ments for the suspension of the signing-on arrangements for smallholder's assistance for those who now apply to seek a review of their existing claim. Any person thereby qualifying for the assistance will be transferred automatically to the new farm assist scheme from June and will have their additional entitlements under the scheme backdated to the first week of April.

In addition, an application for smallholder's assistance will be taken as an application for the new scheme for those who fail to qualify for smallholder's assistance but who will be entitled to some payment under the farm assist scheme. Application forms will be available almost immediately the Bill passes.

Section 19 provides for the introduction of a bereavement grant to replace the existing death grant scheme. I have secured an additional £10 million from the Government since the budget to improve the scheme, introduced in 1970, to alleviate the cost of funeral expenses. Some 10,000 grants are payable each year at a cost of £1 million to the social insurance fund. The maximum grant payable was £100 and a reduced grant of £95 is payable where the contribution conditions are partially satisfied.

Section 19 provides for three significant improvements in the scheme. First, it provides for a substantial increase, from £100 to £500, in the level of the grant. The last increase was made in April 1982. That represents a worthwhile contribution towards funeral expenses incurred by families. Section 4 also provides that the amount of the grant payable under occupational injuries will also be increased to £500.

Second, I am extending the scope of the scheme to include other insured persons, such as self-employed and people covered by the modified rate of social insurance, for example, all public servants. At present the scheme is largely confined to employees who pay the full rate of PRSI contribution. It makes no sense that people in such categories cannot qualify for a death grant but may qualify for a widow's or widower's contributory pension.

Third, I am proposing a substantial easing of the contribution conditions so that as many people as possible will qualify under the scheme. The present conditions require the insured person to have a minimum of 26 contributions paid since starting work or since 1 October 1970 and to have either 48 contributions paid or credited in a recent income tax year or an average of 48 contributions per year since October 1970 or since starting work if later.

I believe the grant should be payable to insured persons with the minimum level of contributions. In view of this, I propose that the grant be paid automatically on the death of a person receiving a contributory pension or deserted wife's benefit, his or her spouse or qualified dependants; a person receiving orphan's contributory allowance or his or her guardian. Since the announcement of the scheme the Government has decided that it will apply to bereavements which have occurred since 2 February, the date the decision was made at Cabinet, at an additional cost of £1.7 million, given that a number of people would have missed out on it in the intervening period. It was originally intended to bring it into force in April.

Section 21 provides for the payment of the special rate of old age pension to certain self-employed persons who were aged 56 years or over on 6 April 1988 when social insurance was extended to this group. This issue was raised in both Houses last year. I am delighted that the Government has delivered on its commitment in the programme for Government and the general election manifestos by introducing a special rate of contributory pension for those with at least five years' paid contributions since that date.

Entitlement to the new pension will begin in the first week of April but payments will not be made until October for logistical reasons. This allows for my Department to examine all the relevant claims and to ensure that refunds of contributions made already to 3,000 contributors in this group are recouped. Any arrears of payment due will be issued in October.

The new rate will be 50 per cent of the maximum personal rate plus 50 per cent of the appropriate increases for qualified adults and child dependants where appropriate. Up to 10,000 people – 8,000 pensioners and 2,000 qualified adults – should benefit from the scheme at an estimated cost of £18 million. Anybody who qualifies will also qualify for the free schemes as appropriate.

A comprehensive review of the qualifying conditions for entitlement to old age and retirement pensions is being undertaken by my Department this year. Particular attention will be given to the yearly average test. It will also deal with the treatment of pre-1953 contributions and the commitment given in the programme for Government to allow women who take time out for family reasons to continue contributions for pensions purposes.

Section 22 deals with the issue of low income fishermen. We are introducing for them a similar scheme to the farm assist scheme. It represents a substantial response from the Government to the difficulties experienced during prolonged bouts of bad weather by fishermen who operate out of small boats in our coastal communities.

I now turn to the provisions that deal with the powers of social welfare inspectors. Section 26 strengthens the powers of inspectors to allow them to remove, or secure for later inspection, documents or records from employers' premises and to require employers to provide reasonable explanations of their contents. These additional powers will facilitate inspectors in making sure employers meet their PRSI obligations and that their employees are not concurrently working and claiming social welfare benefits.

Section 26 also makes specific provision for an inspector to be accompanied by a garda when exercising his or her statutory powers, when accompanied by a garda in uniform, to stop any which he or she reasonably suspects is used for the purpose of employment or self-employment, and make inquiries of any persons in the vehicle or require them to produce any record in their possession in connection with their employment or business.

Over the past year, at the invitation of the gardaí, my Department, the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment, the Department of the Environment and Local Government and the Revenue Commissioners have participated at 19 checkpoints in Counties Dublin, Kildare, Wicklow, Monaghan, Cavan, Louth and Meath. These checkpoints have largely focused on commercial vehicles or those used in the course of employment or self-employment. From my Department's perspective, it is primarily aimed at people who may be concurrently working and claiming social welfare payments. To date, as a result of follow up by social welfare officers, a total of 118 social welfare claims have been disallowed, giving savings of £350,000. In addition, gardaí and Customs have detected a number of road traffic, road transport and customs offences.

This approach has been very effective in detecting serious levels of fraud and abuse. For example, one checkpoint in February last year detected abuse in no less than 10 per cent of the 100 vehicles checked. A number of cases involving people from Northern Ireland are being followed up through the normal liaison arrangements with the social security agency there. To date, social welfare inspectors have operated under general powers contained in existing legislation. I was advised when preparing this Bill that it would be more appropriate to replace these existing general powers with more specific provisions.

Concern has been expressed about the exercise of such powers. I assure Senators that these powers will continue to be used responsibly. This programme is not aimed at ordinary citizens going about their business. It is the ordinary citizen who is being ripped off by all defrauders, including social welfare defrauders. It is those in most need who are losing out by this – OAPs, carers, widows, widowers, lone parents and the unemployed. I make no apology for doing all I can to stamp out fraud. Every £1 taken in fraud is £1 less for the needy in our society.

Those who find fault with multi-agency efforts to find out fraud surely are not asking us to turn a blind eye to what we all know is going on. If so, they are being extremely hypocritical. Fraud is fraud. Those most vocal on this cannot have it both ways. These powers will work only if they are used in a sensible and responsible manner. That is how they have operated in the past and that is how they will operate in the future.

Section 27, at the request of the Department of Health and Children, extends the scope of the legislative provisions I introduced last year for an integrated social services card, to include the General Medical Services Payments Board and voluntary hospitals operating in the health services area. The Department of Health and Children has plans for the voluntary hospitals to use the number for patient records and screening programmes. The GMS board will use it for the creation of a national patient index in the consolidated drug subsidisation scheme. Any data sharing will obviously be governed by the existing legislative provisions.

Section 32 provides for an increase in the health contribution from 1.25 per cent to 2 per cent and for an increase in the weekly exemption threshold from £207 to £217 from 6 April next. Section 33 repeals the relevant provisions underpinning the 1 per cent employment and training levy which, as announced in the budget, is being abolished from 6 April next.

I have been concerned for some time about the issue of integration, the process whereby occupational pensions effectively top up the social welfare pension to provide a total pension specified in the rules of the occupational pension scheme. I have referred to the issue on a number of occasions, most recently in my budget speech in December last. Integration is normally carried out on a once-off basis at the point of retirement, but I am aware that in a small number of pension schemes, the process is continued on an ongoing basis after retirement under a total pension scheme approach, which is provided for in the rules of these schemes.

In considering any reforms in this area I have to bear in mind that occupational pension schemes are voluntary arrangements. Nevertheless, I consider certain reforms in this area are warranted, and as a first step I am providing in the Bill that any reduction in occupational pensions in payment, as a result of increases in the social welfare pension, will be prohibited.

While there is little, if any, evidence that any pension scheme rules allow for such a reduction, the prohibition will obviously outlaw such a practice if it does exist and will also prevent employers considering such a rule in the future. Such a prohibition was recommended by the Pensions Board in its report on the national pensions policy initiative. In relation to the general issue of post-retirement integration, I have decided that it should be examined in the overall context of a review of the indexation of occupational pensions generally and I have requested the Pensions Board to prepare a report on this. I will consider the board's report and revisit this issue in the pensions Bill which I hope to publish towards the end of this year.

In the last election in June 1997, we promised to do three things – to cut taxes, to cut crime and to cut dole queues. We have succeeded dramatically in all three. A major reform of the tax system was announced in this year's budget by standard rating the basic single and married personal allowances and the PAYE allowance. The full year value of the main personal reliefs amount to £581 million, on top of £517 million last year. Crime has been cut by some 16 per cent and the live register has dropped by 53,500 since this Government took office. The Social Welfare Bill demonstrates the Government's commitment to building an inclusive society. I commend the Bill to the Seanad.

I thank the Minister and note his focus on the family and the "in" word everywhere, inclusiveness. I will start my contribution on that theme by reminding the House of Charles Dickens' novel A Tale of Two Cities which opens with the line “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.” It would be unfair of me not to agree that for many people it is the best of times. However, I represent many people to which the latter category applies. That statement is as true today as it was in France 200 years ago, although in a different context.

Before applying that thesis to Ireland today, I acknowledge the positive contributions to the social welfare system contained in the Bill. I have not had time to absorb his contribution today, but I read his Second Stage speech in the Dáil. Who could possibly oppose the proposed increases in the Bill, although one would always wish for more in certain areas? I congratulate the Minister on the increase in the bereavement grant which is a positive step. I do not know who advised him on this, but it is one of the most welcome features for many families at their time of bereavement. I take issue with the lowest rate of carer's allowance. However, the Minister will also be pleased to hear that I have no intention of going down through the list, criticising each allowance and telling the him how he could have done better.

I am a realist and I accept what the Minister said in concluding his speech about the three main areas where he feels his party's manifesto has been successful. However, I do not agree with him on crime. In urban and rural disadvantaged areas, and more specifically in marginalised large towns and cities, particularly Dublin, crime is more cruel and vicious and is certainly not declining. I am not going to criticise the Minister's provisions, but I regret that some Government Deputies have already issued press releases to the effect that Fine Gael voted against the poor and elderly by voting against this Bill on Second Stage. We have every reason to vote against something we feel we could do better, though the Minister would obviously disagree. I regret the context in which those press releases were issued, but that is politics. I feel we have the right to reject something that is inadequate in the Bill.

This brings me back to my "Tale of Two Cities" thesis. The Government has budgeted for a 1999 surplus of £2,300 million, and all the signs are that this will be exceeded. However, the extra money allocated to the Social Welfare Estimate amounts to £77.9 million, not a huge proportion of that surplus, a point with which the Minister might agree. The Minister is being presented with the opportunity of a lifetime in these affluent times to set up support systems through his Department to make a significant difference in the lives of the disadvantaged, the have nots and the deprived.

On a lighter note, the Minister will be delighted to know that I have no intention of speaking on farming or fishing issues. There is no farmland and one canal in my area.

Like myself.

I will confine my remarks to the issue of disadvantage, as an area with which, unfortunately, I am all too familiar. I doubt that disadvantaged areas will benefit very tangibly from this Bill. Individuals may have slightly increased incomes, but I am worried by the overall picture. There is a two-Ireland system at present, and it is clear that the meek shall not inherit the earth – that is becoming more obvious every day.

The Minister referred to the support groups he has met in the family fora and to their view that the priorities for supporting families in today's changing social and economic environment are critically important for the future development of family services and policies. I am happy to note this and do not doubt the Minister's commitment. I have often wondered how any brief could include the breadth of areas this portfolio covers. However, it is not my fault the Minister was given the job of being Minister responsible for people from the cradle to the grave, or the womb to the tomb. All human life is there.

We have a unique funding situation this year, and I will address broadly how we can work to help society and for greater inclusiveness. Our first class citizens have wealth, educational advantage, private health care and enjoy inclusion; theirs is a place in the sun, and if it is raining they will not be out in the cold. Many of those I represent live in poverty and are on waiting lists for hospitals, houses and in queues for buses. There are also unacceptably high unemployment levels in these areas. However, the most notable feature of these areas is that the people there do not feel included. They do not feel they are part of society but feel marginalised. I could go on with the litany of social woes: the huge increase in homelessness among young people, the never-ending problem of drugs and the degradation of the human spirit that comes with addiction and children who are out of control, which is a huge social problem in the area I represent and which I feel nobody can cope with. There is also child abuse and school absenteeism. It reflects badly on the Government that we still do not have school attendance officers in the heavily populated areas of urban deprivation; we still rely on the gardaí to be school attendance officers in high crime areas. That is ludicrous, but I appreciate that that is not directly within the Minister's brief.

The issue I worry about most is the isolation of the aged. It is probably nobody's fault; with the growth of the city and families becoming smaller, it takes longer to visit people. However, it is a problem that will not go away. I refer to these matters not to criticise but to show that the Bill could have been more inclusive in taking on board some of these issues, though the Minister would have to be Solomon to cater for them all.

However, there is still an opportunity here. The Minister has funds at his disposal to heal gaping wounds in society, which is now divided in a way I have never seen before. I am a native Dubliner who is not in the first flush of youth, and I have seen the city increase and multiply. However, it is also dividing in a worse way than when class divided it. It is hard to explain, but there is an example in this week's newspapers with the £1 million houses in Malahide. One will be a millennium person if one buys one of these houses, while a huge proportion of the population is still receiving supplementary rent allowance. The cost of that scheme has never been higher. I am not blaming the Minister or his Department, but these social ills are so grievous that they should be addressed, and the Minister's brief includes some of them. This is also an Ireland where refugees are paid not to work while there are vacant jobs to fill. This is crazy. None of us foresaw this Ireland, but it is threatening to overwhelm us if action is not taken. I know that sounds like a Doomsday statement, but I feel some sections of society cannot cope any longer.

Regarding the Bill, one can start at only one level, and one cannot address all these problems. That start should be made with the most important person: the child. I say that as a tutor in early childhood education, a former chairperson of the Irish Pre-school Playgroups Association, an adult educator, a former teacher of teenagers and as a mother.

Is the Minister aware that in disadvantaged areas it is almost impossible to secure a place for a child in a State assisted pre-school facility? Such facilities are often full and, in some cases, they are not being attended by the children for whom they were established. This leaves the young single parents about whom I am most concerned – they are mainly young women – with no opportunity to re-enter society through the workplace because they cannot gain entry to crèches for their children due to the shortage of places. Many of these people, most of whom live in the same areas, lead a kind of twilight existence. The Fine Gael proposal of an increase in child benefit would help in situations of this sort.

In my opinion an increase of £20 per week would be a better proposition than £3 per month, particularly in terms of trying to provide people with an income geared towards their specific child care needs. The demand for child care is growing at an alarming rate. The benefits of a good pre-school care system are obvious and should be addressed for a number of important reasons. Such a system will address the social exclusion of single parents, provide a stimulating and secure experience for children and allow for the return to employment many who cannot do so under the current system.

The Minister is aware that the studies carried out under the home start and head start programmes will show that children with secure pre-school backgrounds develop into non-threatening teenagers. If we are intent on discussing family focus, inclusion and trying to address the situation of the aged and the disadvantaged, this serious matter must be taken on board. I genuinely believe that the brief is so broad that if we began with the current generation of children, we might have something to look forward to in the not too distant future.

The famous French sociologist, Emil Durkheim, tried to address the problem of "anomie”, alienation in society, over 100 years ago but he did not succeed. We now have a means at our disposal to do so. I do not know whether it would be 100 per cent effective but it is surely worth trying. I was amused to discover that the dictionary defines “welfare” as a lack of calamity and a presence of health and well being. I am not suggestion that we have reached the calamitous stage but the health and well being of a certain sector in society are at risk unless these problems are addressed.

I refer the Minister to the Combat Poverty Agency's report on "Strengthening Partnership and Practice", published in February, which contains measures that could be successful in tackling the self-evident social ills in marginalised areas. Part of this year's Exchequer surplus should be allocated for those specific purposes. This is an area where State and voluntary groups could work together because these problems can, in the main, only be dealt with by means of a two pronged approach.

I commend the report on secondary benefits commissioned by the Department, which I read with great interest. This report shows why people in certain areas will remain unemployed, particularly when secondary benefits are added to their welfare allowances thereby providing them with a disincentive to return to the workplace. I say this purely from the point of view of commenting on social exclusion because I cannot believe that anyone who is willing and able would be better off on unemployment benefit or assistance.

The Minister will be glad that I have no further comments to make and that I have no intention of calling a vote because it would be spurious to do so. I hope he will take on board my suggestion about increasing child care allowances.

The Minister stated that section 26 strengthens the powers of inspectors to allow them to remove or secure for later inspection, documents or records from employers' premises and to require employers to provide reasonable explanations of their contents. I do not believe employers retain documents in respect of many of these people. Therefore, I do not know how the provision will be applied and I will be interested in his response. The people to whom I refer are usually not registered by their employers and they are paid in cash; they are only registered with the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs. I thank the Minister for his attention and I look forward to his response.

I welcome the Minister and congratulate him on the introduction of his second Social Welfare Bill.

I was interested by Senator Ridge's reference to the best and worst of times. Everyone knows that there will never be a level playing field in a society where people require social assistance. It would be unrealistic to believe that those in receipt of such assistance will make the same amount of money as their counterparts in employment. I suggest that the sign of a good Minister and a good Government is their ability to plan ahead. As sure as night follows day, as sure as the calm follows the storm, there could be a rainy day waiting around the corner. The sign of a good Government is its ability to prepare for such a day. In that context, there are a large number of provisions in the Bill which will improve the situation of less fortunate individuals in our society. I propose to discuss some of those provisions in detail because it is important to point out the positive aspects of the Bill.

The difficulty with a successful economy is that certain people can be left behind. It is often the people who have contributed most to society who receive the least. The Programme for Government states that the older people in our society would benefit most. For that reason I welcome this year's £6 per week increase to pensioners which, when added to last year's £5 increase, means that pensions have risen to £89 per week. Therefore, we are well on the way to seeing pensions reach £100 per week in the lifetime of the Government.

Eaten bread is soon forgotten and in the current climate it is easy to forget that times were not always so good and money was not always so readily available. Members of the older generation are responsible for the country's current success, a success which is expected and enjoyed by those of my generation. I welcome the increases for old age pensioners because we must recognise and reward their contribution to society.

Though not directly relevant to the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs but extremely relevant to older people is the change in medical card guidelines relating to those over 70 years of age. I hope this will be extended to all old age pensioners in the future.

We must remember that all other benefits have been increased but I propose to concentrate on one or two of the main provisions which are particularly relevant. Senator Ridge referred to the increase in child benefit. I welcome the increases for the first two children and subsequent children. If I was totally unrealistic, I would support the Senator's call for an increase of £20 per week instead of £3 per month. The broader issue we are discussing is child care. Child benefit is only one aspect of this issue. It is usually paid directly to the mother and can be an important source of income for her, if not her only source of income.

The child care debate, which has been ongoing for some time, deals not only with income but with the lack of suitable, affordable child care facilities. This brings the debate to a different level because no matter what increase is made in child benefit, the issue is the type of care given to children. The national child care strategy does not recommend increasing child benefit because it is an expensive option and is not specifically targeted at child care.

It is difficult to anticipate where this debate will end. People who are working full time require child care facilities but the parent who remains in the home cannot be forgotten. I am still a firm believer that the parent is the best person to care for their children. An increase in child benefit is not the only provision which could be made to deal with this issue. However, the debate on what should be done will be wide ranging. I welcome the discussions of the interdepartmental group and I hope the best possible resolution will be achieved. It is a difficult and complex issue and rash decisions, used as sticking plaster or emergency measures, would be ill considered and ineffective. However, there is no doubt that some action is required to tackle the child care issue.

One of the best features of this Bill is the provision for carers. This was discussed at length in the Seanad when last year's Social Welfare Act came before the House. I wholeheartedly welcome these provisions. I said earlier that the forgotten people in society are the elderly. Carers, however, are the heroes of society. One often hears nursing described as a vocation and people regularly praise the dedication of nurses. The fact is that the nurse works to get paid at the end of the week or month, not because it is a vocation, and I speak as a member of the nursing profession. We are paid for our work.

Carers provide care 24 hours each day, seven days a week, 52 weeks of the year. Until recent years they were neglected and I wholeheartedly welcome the efforts of the Minister, Deputy Ahern, to provide some form of recognition for them. Carers take pressure off the State because, when an individual is being cared for in the home, it is often a case of out of sight, out of mind as far as the social services are concerned. They also take pressure off their own family members. In my experience, their work is often not appreciated by their siblings and other relatives. There is seldom a thought of the physical work involved or that financial assistance for the carer sibling might be appropriate.

Carers are generally anxious to maintain the family member in the home. They do not wish to see them taken into institutional care. However, the constraints on time and energy over a long period can sometimes damage the health of the carer so I particularly welcome the provision of £200 each year for respite care. My Opposition colleagues will claim that this amount will not pay for a week's respite care but it is an important first step. As well as improving the position of the carer, respite care is usually good for the person who is being cared for. It is good for them to get a break from the family because a person who is limited in mobility and outlets can often become more incapacitated than they were at first.

The carer's allowance is extremely important for people in rural areas. In many cases, the carers are the sons and daughters of parents who might not live at home but next door. Until now these carers received no recognition because they did not actually live with their elderly parents. I welcome the new provision in this regard. I also welcome the fact that this scheme will cover carers of children who are in receipt of the domiciliary care allowance, paid by the health board. Indeed, it covers carers of all people aged between 16 and 65 years who are receiving full time care. It is, of course, means tested.

That brings me to the one problem I have with the carer's allowance. It would be unrealistic to expect the means test for the allowance to be abolished. However, I hope some form of proportional payment will eventually be paid to individuals who are carers but are just above the means test thresholds.

I welcome the discussion on needs assessment. That is probably the major anomaly in this area. The levels of needs of individuals who are being cared for can vary enormously. Somebody might satisfy the means test who is slightly immobile but mentally competent and physically able to carry out a good deal of their own care. There should not be the same level of payment for the carer of that individual as for the carer of somebody who is possibly just above the threshold and who is caring for one or two elderly parents who are incapacitated, incontinent and totally dependent on them for all activities in daily living. I look forward to the review of the assessments. Hopefully, over time there will also be proportional payments for people who are just above the guidelines.

Society has changed a great deal. The nuclear family unit is now the norm. A couple of generations ago the elderly parents could be sure they would be cared for in their homes by their daughters or grandchildren. Times have changed, however, but the improved regulations for carers will help an individual to retain their independence while being assured of care when it is necessary.

Senator Ridge did not discuss sections 15 to 18. She felt she did not know enough about them as they were not relevant to her constituency.

I freely admit I know nothing about them.

These sections deal with the farm assist scheme. I represent a constituency com posed mainly of small farmers so I wholeheartedly congratulate the Minister on his swift action in bringing this measure forward.

The regulations will come into effect from 7 April. The scheme will benefit approximately 13,400 farm families, which include the 6,000 smallholders who are already in receipt of assistance in addition to more than 6,000 low income farmers. It has been a difficult year for farming. Many urban dwellers feel farmers are constantly holding out the begging bowl but that is the IFA's job – the large farming organisations must paint the worst possible picture in putting forward their case. However, those organisations do not reflect the needs of smaller farmers. Many such farmers do not join those bodies or are unable to join them because their farms are not big enough. These people are left behind and are most in need but never look for anything from the State.

In my area there are many farmers who looked after elderly parents and never married, and whose only training is in farming – it is the only livelihood and life they know. Unfortunately, because of the way agriculture is developing, these people are facing extinction. When small farmers fill out official forms, they suspect that mention of acres or cattle works against them. I wholeheartedly welcome these provisions, especially the one which provides that farmers will not have to sign on every week. In congratulating the Minister, I also congratulate the Minister for Agriculture and Food, with whom he has worked in partnership to tackle the crisis for the farming community over the last few months.

A measure which will benefit not only farmers but also the self-employed is the recognition given to people who paid social insurance contributions since April 1998 but had not paid for ten years by the time they reached pension age. This welcome provision does not affect many people but it is a significant improvement for those it does benefit, people who were discriminated against through no fault of their own. This affects a number of farmers in my area and I am delighted the anomaly has been resolved.

The Minister is well aware of my views on multi-agency vehicle checkpoints. This provision received a lot of attention even before the Bill was discussed in either House but I have no reservations about this policy. I have come across a number of these checkpoints, which do not include social welfare inspectors at present. This measure is already in social welfare regulations, the Bill merely incorporates it into the law, so I do not know what the fuss was about. It has been said the gardaí would be better employed looking for real criminals and carrying out their work in a different way. These checkpoints are already in existence, it is just a matter of social welfare inspectors joining Customs officers and gardaí. It is good sense that social welfare inspectors should take this opportunity. This issue is raised by people who find the Bill satisfactory but need something to complain about.

As a result of my proximity to the Border I am aware of the number of people who cross from the North to the South and defraud the State by not paying any contributions. We can stand on the high moral ground and talk about white collar crime but fraud is fraud no matter who does it. If we are to be realistic we must stamp it out, and we must be seen to deal with it so that people realise they must pay their way in society. The basic principle is to root out all fraudsters, and though it may not be popular, I am fully behind this provision.

I approve the Department's greater focus on the family, particularly the extra funding for family mediation, counselling and bereavement services. The way society is developing there appear to be greater problems in families. I am glad the Minister continues to increase funding for these services, because everything that eases a child's transition from a two parent family to a one parent family is welcome. It is a difficult time.

I congratulate this Minister. This has been described as an innovative and radical Bill but it is really a continuation of the innovative and radical measure he embarked upon this time last year. I was pleased to hear Senator Ridge ask who could oppose such increases and in that light I look forward to the speedy progress of the Bill without opposition from our colleagues.

I begin with a plaudit for the Minister, which may be surprising coming from the Opposition benches. When discussing last year's Social Welfare Act I made a case for old age contributory pensioners who had not claimed their pension on the date it fell due, that is, their 65th or 66th birthday, and discovered years later that they were entitled to draw their pension while working. I argued that all such arrears should be paid to pensioners and it was the only issue on which we called a vote on last year's legislation. Since then, the Minister has gone some of the way to meet the fears I expressed and I thank him for that.

However, there is some way to go; we will not have given full justice and equity to pensioners until we pay full arrears to everyone who did not claim their pension after making a lifetime of contributions. I was the only Senator to raise this last year, and I doubt it was much raised in the other House. In the spirit of generosity the Minister has shown, I ask him to re-examine this matter because there are a number of cases outstanding and some money is due to many pensioners who feel a sense of injustice. Perhaps he will have further good news in next year's Bill.

The Bill is welcome and contains a number of improvements, many of which are justified by the times in which we live and the performance of the economy. People who are working are doing well and the Government is receiving a huge bonus in Exchequer funds which would have been undreamed of even three years ago. The improvements are, therefore, only right and proper.

This is enlightened legislation. The Minister and the Government have shown an enlightened approach towards spending a substantial part of the additional resources generated in the State on people who cannot look after themselves and on those who are vulnerable because of poverty, old age or unemployment.

While I welcome the improvements in the carer's allowance, including the means test which is the most liberal of all the rules for any social welfare payment, the Minister must look at the disregard of income for carer's allowance. A young woman with two children came to see me some weeks ago. She spends 80 per cent of her time looking after her mother who has Alzheimer's disease. Because half of her husband's average industrial wage is attributed to her, she is above the maximum threshold to qualify for the carer's allowance. It is unfair that such cases still exist.

I know it will cost money to change this scheme but it is better for a sibling or relative to look after someone who is disabled in their home than placing them in an institution where it would cost the State approximately £500 per week. It is more expensive to look after people with Alzheimer's disease in a hospital or nursing home. I ask the Minister to examine this. Institutions which care for our elderly citizens are bursting at the seams. We should do everything possible to encourage siblings or relatives to look after these people at home. It is a pity someone on the average industrial wage is outside the scope of this scheme.

I welcome the new farm assist scheme which, with EU supports, will help small farmers to supplement their income as many of them cannot generate a sufficient income from their farming activities to keep body and soul together. The Minister said that farmers on low incomes will qualify for this scheme. However, departmental officials and appeals officers, who are independent, may interpret the regulations differently.

I remember having an argument with an appeals officer a few months ago about treating a small farmer in the same way as if he was dealing with a tax inspector and ensuring that everything which affects his income was taken into account. Small farmers should be given the right under the social welfare code to take into account the depreciation of their assets, which are usually low in value. A piece of machinery, for example, is worth a certain amount on 1 January in a given year but it is worth less on 31 December. The same is true of all assets. The social welfare code does not recognise that when assessing a farmer's income, although it is a drain on it, but the Revenue Commissioners do. This could mean an extra £5 a week to a small farmer on a low income. I appeal to the Minister to take that into account when writing the regulations.

I am a farmer in my spare time. When I make a declaration of my farm returns before a tax inspector, I detail any capital investment in my farm and the capital assets which have depreciated. I can then write them off against my income rather than adding them to it, which is what seems to happen in the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs.

I ask the Minister to abolish the idea of notional income. If a farmer tells his social welfare officer he will produce proof that he sold six animals last year and that they made less money than in 1996 or 1997, the social welfare officer will make a notional assessment of the income. They will say that because he sold six animals last year his average every year must be eight. They will not accept what is written on the receipt from the mart or abattoir. They do not seem to understand that the price of livestock has fallen by 50 per cent in many cases. Small farmers own many of the animals which have suffered the greatest reduction in prices.

I welcome the fact that people who were 56 years of age in 1988 when the new self-employed contributions were introduced will now qualify for a pro rata pension. I also welcome the reduction this year to five contributions. However, many pensioners have an average of five contributions over a working life of 25 years. I know one self-employed man who had an average of six contributions but they were disregarded. He will qualify for nothing because he must have an average of ten contributions as he entered insurable employment before 1988. I ask the Minister to examine this anomaly where one category of pensioners will qualify for a pro rata pension if they have an average of five contributions over their working life but another category will not qualify even if they have five contributions.

It gives me great pleasure to speak on this Bill which is one of the best I remember. The Minister and the Government must be commended for giving people an early Christmas. I also commend the Opposition's fair comments.

This Bill tackles a number of issues that have been around for a long number of years. I will start with the old aged, our senior citizens and the people who have built up this country. They are responsible for the institutions of this State. They rose early and worked long hours to ensure that the machinery of the state, whether local authority or the Houses of the Oireachtas, ran smoothly. I am delighted that the promises made by this Government are being delivered. It is fair that we would look after those who looked after us and who have built up the institutions of this State.

Since we came to power the old age contributory pension has been increased by £11 and now stands at £89. This compares with the increases given by previous Government of £7. The Minister has done in one year what the previous Administration took three years to do. That is a major tribute to the Minister and his Cabinet colleagues who supported him in bringing forward those measures.

Everyone in public life whether at county council level, town commission level, Seanad or Dáil, has always referred to the income level for medical cards, especially as it pertain to old people. This Government are committed to tackling this problem and have provided a 33.33 per cent increase in medical card guidelines for those over 70 years of age. As everyone knows, when people get on in years they need more medical attention.

There is also a commitment to children in this Bill. They are the future leaders of society. Children's allowances have been increased by £3 for the first two children and £4 for subsequent children. This measure will cost £41 million for the full year, compared to £25 million in the last year of the previous Administration. That is another feather in the Minister's cap.

I come from the rural constituency of Westmeath and the northern part of the county has seen a population decline in the past few years. As everyone knows, the inclement weather of the past couple of months has made it necessary for this Government to step into the breach and bring forward proposals to help the small farmers in their hour of need. For the first time the Minister stepped into the breach by providing the new farm assist scheme. This will bring major benefits especially at a time when there is a flight from the land. As every Member will be aware, many of the young people who have become owners of land are now asking themselves if it is worthwhile being in farming and who will help them when they get into difficulty. The Minister has provided help.

Senator Tom Fitzgerald has been articulating the needs of low income fishermen here ad nauseam. Thankfully, the Minister has also addressed this problem as well.

Birth and death are two very important times and bereavement is a time of trauma for everyone. The Minister has addressed this by increasing the bereavement grant by 500 per cent. That is a real commitment to people in their hour of need. To lose a loved one is a particularly traumatic experience.

Another bone of contention that has been around for a very long time is pensions for the self-employed. Again the Minister has taken up a long-standing issue and provided pensions for the self-employed who are over 56 and have five years paid contributions. They will receive 50 per cent of the full rate pension and this measure will cost £80 million in a full year. That is a major step forward for anyone who wants to start their own business. They know they can provide for themselves in the future.

My pet aversion is social welfare fraud. The Minister made the point that the saving to the Exchequer in this area was about £300,000. Imagine what £300,000 can do for the poor and the needy? The Minister has been criticised for taking certain measures but I commend him for it because when you are dealing with scarce resources it is very important that they are dispersed to benefit those who need them most. People cannot have it both ways. If the public purse is to be used to the optimum benefit of those who need it most then action must be taken against those who are drawing on its resources illegally.

This Bill is a further indication of the achievements of this Government in office. It delivered on many of the commitments set out in Partnership 2000, in our action programme and in our election manifestos. Last year we created a record level of 95,000 new jobs. Unemployment has been slashed and people are moving into jobs at a rate never seen before. Unemployment is down by over 40,000 since this Government took office. That is what this Government is all about, creating the opportunity and the incentives for people to share in the benefits of economic and social growth. This Bill and the recent budget provided for a record £317 million in social welfare improvements.

Unlike the previous Administration we take our commitments very seriously. The so-called Rainbow Government set out a wish list of what they were going to do in office but they quickly developed convenient amnesia. Unlike the Opposition we remember our commitments and we deliver on them. We promised pensioners a contributory pension of £100 per annum by the year 2002 and we are well ahead of target because this Bill will increase pensions to £89. It also provides for a total increase of 14 per cent in the level of pension since we took up office 18 months ago, which is more than was delivered over the entire period of the previous Administration.

I welcome the move to ensure that this increase is passed on to the occupational pensioners and that is it not offset by a reduction in the level of occupation pension. Occupational pension funds are doing very well out of the present record pension increases. These benefits should go to the pensioners, not to the funds. We promised to improve the situation for pensioners who narrowly lost out on qualifying for pension. This Bill provides for a new pro rata pension for the self-employed at a cost of £80 million in a full year; up to 10,000 people will benefit. Even the Opposition who did nothing when they were in Government had to welcome it and I commend them for that.

We promised to bring all social welfare payments up to the level recommended by the Commission on Social Welfare. With just two budgets this Government has moved to bring the rates up to the recommended level, unlike the Opposition who allowed the level of payments slip back in 1995. Most payments are well over these limits.

We also promised to improve the situation for carers. They are a very important. This Bill takes cognisance of the massive input carers make to society, particularly what they do for those who are unable to care for themselves. The Minister has taken measures in this Bill which brings a new level of concern for the cares. It must be borne in mind that if conditions are not right for carers then they might need care. Unfortunately, as I have said on many occasions here, when you are the fourth or fifth speaker many of the things you wanted to say have already been mentioned.

The Minister has done a marvellous job and I commend the Bill to the House. Lean ar aghaidh leis an obair.

I thank Senators for their kind remarks. I could make political points about the size of the package but I fully accept that at budget time a Minister has to work with the package that is available. Since becoming Minister, my experience has been that a lot of negotiations go down to the wire. We would all like to deal with issues for old age pensioners, children, carers, the disabled, the unemployed and disadvantaged areas, because all these issues must be given priority. Obviously, in determining the budget available to him, the Minister for Social, Community and Family Affairs must weigh up all these factors.

The Government decided early on – indeed prior to coming into office – that it would look after those in our society who have reached the retirement age of 65 or 66. I believe most Members of the Oireachtas would accept that in the last two decades old age pensioners have lost out in that they have not been able to lobby as a group as articulately as others. This is the reason the Government has concentrated on assisting old age pensioners. We did so with regard to the State pension, which is not a large payment. However, there is a commitment to increase the contributory old age pension to £100 per week by 2002. By increasing the pension in our first two budgets by £5 and £6 on the maximum rates, we have gone further than what is required of us over the period of Government. We aim to continue along that road, not only in respect of social welfare payments, but also in relation to the medical card. On 5 April 15,000 old age pensioners will be taken out of the tax net as a result of the changes in the budget. This is by far the largest number of any cohort of taxpayers taken out of the tax net as a result of the budget changes.

Reference was made in the other House to the budget surplus and a figure of £2.3 billion was mentioned. This does not take into account the factual position which is that the net Exchequer surplus is in the region of £900 million. This is a substantial amount of money, but obviously every Minister and Opposition spokesperson will make suggestions as to how it should be spent. On Report Stage in the Dáil yesterday the Opposition suggested that times are now very different and that there is plenty of money available. The Government has one important commitment which is the cornerstone of An Action Programme for the Millennium – to curtail spending to 4 per cent. To date this has been adhered to, and will continue to be adhered to.

One of the reasons the country got into financial difficulty in the late 1970s and early 1980s was that current spending far outstripped what was available to the Exchequer. The commitments made by the Government in its election manifesto and An Action Programme for the Millennium were predicated on curtailing spending to 4 per cent on average over the lifetime of the Government. This has been adhered to and is one of the reasons we cannot spend the budget surplus willy-nilly.

In her contribution, Senator Leonard adverted to the fact that as sure as night follows day, the rainy day, as it were, will come. Indeed, it is not very long since we had rainy days. We are often accused of spending large amounts of money on consultants' reports and so on. I indicated on Report Stage in the Dáil that my party had an "away day" in the Slieve Russell Hotel. A panel of experts and economists attended and the topic of the day was how we in Government, and as a political party, could devolve policies which would allow us to manage the booming economy, given that the problems of a number of years ago no longer exist and that there are new problems, such as house prices and traffic congestion, etc. One economist said that the boom would continue for the foreseeable future – for five or ten years. A wise person from my parliamentary party said that while economists say that the boom will continue for the next ten years and that there are good times ahead, five years ago they did not predict the economic boom we have today.

At the end of the day, Government must make decisions based on its experience, knowledge and on advice, not only from outside consultants, but from the Civil Service. The Government cannot spend its budget surplus willy-nilly. Nothing illustrates this better than the fact that at present there are 400,000 old age pensioners and in a relatively short time – approximately 50 years – there will be one million old age pensioners. The ratio of worker to dependent person, that is, a child or an old age pensioner, will improve in the next decade to approximately 5:1. However, early in the new millennium the ratio will decrease dramatically whereby in 50 years' time the ratio will be 2:1. We must make provision for that now.

Every politician would like to spend more money but we must look at the broader picture. The reason we cannot spend the budget surplus is that we must consider issues such as care for the elderly and the rainy day, which will undoubtedly come sooner or later. I appreciate the constructive criticism of the Bill and, indeed, the compliments about the Bill in this House. Perhaps the debate was more political in the other House. However, I accept the Opposition must do its job, but people should not make outlandish requests and their tongue in cheek statements.

Senator Ridge referred to social welfare inspectors and their powers to remove documents. A District Court judge said recently that he had never come across an employer being prosecuted for social welfare fraud. However, there have been a number of such prosecutions. The staff in the Department are more against social welfare fraud by employers than by employees. It is all the same, but employers are pursued as much as employees.

One of the problems encountered by inspectors in employers' premises is the constant level of non co-operation. The Bill gives the same powers to social welfare inspectors as those enjoyed by the Revenue Commissioners' inspectors. This will allow social welfare inspectors to enter an employer's premises and seek documents under the legislation. It will avoid cases where inspectors are told to come back in a week and when they do so they are given the excuse that the documents were destroyed.

I appreciate Senators' comments about the multi-agency checkpoints. Some of the points were ill-informed, but the Department and I have good anecdotal evidence to suggest that the publicity about the checkpoints has already had the effect of driving people who were engaging in fraud out of the system. The live register figures for the weeks during which there was much publicity about this issue show an unusually large decrease.

I thank Senator Connor for his comments. Depreciation is usually assessed as a percentage of the gross output from the farming operation, depending on whether it is dairy or sheep farming, etc. It ranges from between 3.6 per cent and 4.8 per cent. These figures and the issue of depreciation are being considered with Teagasc in the light of the new farm assist scheme. The current position is that the scheme will be based on the existing assessment arrangements under the social welfare system. Once the Bill is passed, an explanatory note will be produced on the application form, which will be available almost immediately.

Senator Connor also raised the notional value of assets. The Department insists on prices based on current known trends being taken into account. All the officers in the Department of Social, Community and Family Affairs are aware of the difficulties which exist in the farming community.

My view is that child benefit or a similar system is probably the best method of dealing with the child care issue. The Government recently published the report of the expert working group, which was set up under Partnership 2000 to consider the issue of child care. The Government decided on the basis of that report and similar reports from the Commission on the Family and the Department of Education and Science that an interdepartmental working group should be established. This will include assistant secretaries from Departments and will report to the Government as quickly as possible to allow action to be taken in this area.

We cannot wave a magic wand to solve all the difficulties immediately. Most people appreciate that the expert working group had as its primary aim the issue of equality of access to the workplace by the female population. It did not consider primarily the issue of women in the home. Members of my parliamentary party expressed the view that both issues need to be considered together. The Commission on the Family considered the overall issue and made proposals which were plagiarised by the leader of the Fine Gael Party, Deputy John Bruton, in his ard-fheis speech when he referred to the need to assist children up to the age of five.

This exact suggestion was contained in the commission's report which stated that particular assistance should be available for children up to the age of three and that other assistance should be available for children aged between three and five. However, the commission's report did not suggest the exact measures which should be taken. One option is to pay a supplement in child benefit for children aged up to five. Deputy Bruton made a similar suggestion and it is a good idea. However, if there were three children aged two, three and four years and the family received a payment of an extra £20 a week or a month, what would happen to the overall family income when each child reached the age of five? The family would be bereft of this additional payment once the child reached five years of age. There would be an outcry because the family would be used to and need the extra money, but it would be withdrawn suddenly.

It is not simply a case of paying an extra £20 for each child up to the age of five. Other issues need to be taken into account and questions will arise as to whether the payment should be tapered and at what age it should be reduced, for example, between the ages of 12 and five years. It will be pointed out that extra costs arise after a child goes to school for clothing and books. This is why the Government decided to take a much broader look at this issue and to consider the three reports and the commitments in the programme for Government. The Government gave a firm commitment to make a start on addressing the child care issue this year with a view to taking action in the next budget.

I thank Senators for their forbearance and their kind remarks. I am proud to be part of a Government which introduced this good Bill. It addresses some of the needs in society with regard to social inclusion. One hears and reads much in the media about poverty. The best solution to poverty is the provision of employment and the figures speak for themselves. Since the Government came into office 20 months ago, the live register has fallen by 53,500 up to this month and 96,000 jobs have been created. This is one of the best ways to deal with the issue of poverty but I do not suggest that we should forget the people who, through no fault of their own, are unable to get a job. This is one of the reasons the Government is targeting resources at this area.

Senator Ridge referred to disadvantaged areas. She and many others would be surprised if they were aware of the programmes in my Department, which are separate from the schemes operated by other Departments and local authorities. In my Department there is a programme for community development projects and, at the moment, my Department substantially funds 90 such projects in areas of extreme poverty and we have a commitment to increase that number by a further 30 over a certain period. That is one aspect of the assistance which we give to local community projects.

I thank the Senators for their contributions and look forward to constructive criticism on Committee and Report Stages.

Question put and agreed to.
Committee Stage ordered for Tuesday, 30 March 1999.

When is it proposed to sit again?

Tomorrow at 10.30 a.m.

Top
Share