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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 22 Jun 2000

Vol. 163 No. 21

Courts (Supplemental Provisions) (Amendment) Bill, 2000 [ Certified Money Bill ] : Second Stage.

Question proposed: "That the Bill be now read a Second Time."

The purpose of the Bill can be stated very briefly. It is to provide that a judge of the High Court, Mr. Justice Feargus Flood, who was appointed to the Bench on 1 October 1991, will qualify for full pension of one half of salary when he reaches retirement age on 9 July, notwithstanding the fact that he will not have the full 15 years service required for full pension entitlements. The new provision applies only to the High Court and one judge of that court. The question of extending this new provision to the other serving judges of the High Court does not arise.

Mr. Justice Flood has been engaged on a wholetime basis since November 1997 as chairman and sole member of the tribunal of inquiry into certain planning matters – the Flood tribunal. Mr. Justice Flood has agreed in the public interest to remain on in this position after his retirement as a judge at the age of 72. It is impossible to say at this stage how long the tribunal will last but it is anticipated that his services will be required for some considerable time.

I am sure all sides of the House will agree that the tribunal has carried out its work in an exemplary manner and that its contribution has been invaluable in trying to arrive at the truth concerning the matters set out in the terms of reference. The chairman's role has been a particularly onerous one. Since the tribunal began its work almost three years ago it has sifted through an enormous amount of written material and spent many days hearing evidence from witnesses. To date more than 200 people have been interviewed by the tribunal in this regard and hundreds more have been spoken to or communicated with by members of the legal team. The tribunal has received a huge number of documents and files from various planning authorities, Departments and financial institutions within the State. All this has been carried out under the stewardship of the Honourable Mr. Justice Feargus Flood who deserves our thanks. It sometimes behoves the State to recognise in a more practical way the efforts individuals have made and continue to make for public affairs. This is one such case.

On a more general level, I am sure it is widely accepted that in considering appointments to the Judiciary, the Judicial Appointments Advisory Board and the Government should have open to them the widest possible field of selection. In many instances the acceptance of such appointments – I must be blunt here – means that the people involved accept large reductions in current income. This has not deterred distinguished legal practitioners from accepting judicial appointment and they have served the State well.

In the area of pensions, because they have taken up duty on the Bench relatively late in their careers, some of these judges have not accrued the necessary years of service which is required to receive the maximum pension entitlements. In the specific case which is the subject of this legislation, the judge in question is just over six years short of the necessary 15 years which would entitle him to a full pension. He has, in the interests of completing the work of the tribunal efficiently and effectively, agreed, at the request of the Government, to continue on as Chairman until the work is completed. I believe that a commitment such as this should be acknowledged in a tangible way.

In money terms the Bill provides that Mr. Justice Flood's current pension entitlement will increase by over £20,000 per annum, up to £45,715. His retirement lump sum will be increased by just over £64,000, up to £137,145, based on current salary. These payments will be made immediately on the judge's retirement on 9 July next. His total remuneration, that is, pension and salary, will continue at the level of that of a High Court judge for the duration of his chairmanship of the tribunal.

As I mentioned earlier, the Bill has been brought before the House to deal with an individual case. Other judges are not involved. I believe that this adjustment is well deserved and, as such, I commend the Bill to the House.

I fully support this measure. It effectively allows Mr. Justice Flood to continue his work at the tribunal of inquiry, of which he is a sole member, and which is inquiring into certain planning matters in north County Dublin. I pay tribute to Mr. Justice Flood and his team. They have done an excellent job of work. They are working at the behest of these Houses. Tribunals of inquiry are extensions of Parliament. Mr. Justice Flood is carrying out an inquiry for the Houses of the Oireachtas and he will report back to us.

For the two years or more that the tribunal over which Mr. Justice Flood presides has sat, he has had to endure much adverse public comment about the length of time it was taking over its deliberations. There was a campaign in the news papers against the tribunal and calls for it to be wound up were made very easily, in an almost irresponsible manner, in many publications, especially about a year ago. However, the painstaking work of Mr. Justice Flood and his team is now showing fruit. Nobody today would suggest that the tribunal should quickly wind up its work or that there is anything futile about what it is doing.

Mr. Justice Flood courageously came back to these Houses within six months of commencing his work to seek an extension of the terms of reference, which was granted. The increase of £21,360 in his pension and the lump sum increase of £64,000 may appear to be generous, but I believe that Mr. Justice Flood is well worth it. These sums of money would only go a little way to compensate many of the advocates for even a week's work at the tribunal of inquiry.

We welcome this Bill. We are giving Mr. Justice Flood no more than he deserves. I compliment him on his work and I wish him well and good luck with the remainder of it. We look forward to his report, which I am sure we will have in a matter of months.

I welcome this short and simple Bill. Lest there be a false public perception, it is important to note that the Minister of State emphasised that the new provision applies only to the High Court and only to one judge of that court. The question of extending it to the other serving judges of the High Court does not arise. I wish to be associated with Senator Connor's comments complimenting and congratulating Mr. Justice Flood on the tremendous work he has been doing for the past three years since the establishment by the Government in 1997 of the tribunal over which he presides. It is of grave importance that he be allowed to continue with his very responsible job. None of us knows how long more it will take, but presumably it will take a considerable period of time.

It would send out the wrong signals if Mr. Justice Flood was to be removed from or leave the tribunal at this stage. It is very important he remains there and it is, of course, important to him that his pension entitlements are rectified accordingly. I thank the Opposition for ensuring that the Bill has a speedy passage through this House.

I thank Senators for their contributions to the debate. The Bill is short, containing only two sections, and is of specific intent. We should focus on that intent because we are concerned with what is a unique situation where a particular judge, instead of taking up his retirement in the normal way, has agreed in the public interest to continue to chair a very important tribunal of inquiry.

I again emphasise that the provisions of the Bill apply only to one judge of the High Court. There is no question whatever of the arrangement set out applying to any other serving judges of that court. It is also very relevant to point out that it is impossible to say how long the tribunal will last. The most that can be said is that it is likely to continue for some considerable time. Accordingly, Mr. Justice Flood has demonstrated great commitment in agreeing to oversee the completion of this work in the interest of continuity.

The tribunal team has carried out its core work in a very effective way. While also being involved in various types of litigation, it has assiduously followed the main lines of inquiry in modular form, aimed at moving the process forward as efficiently as possible. I am sure the House will agree that the Chairman's role has been crucial in all this.

Since the tribunal began its work almost three years ago, it has sifted through an enormous amount of written material and spent many days hearing evidence from witnesses. All this has been carried out under the stewardship of Mr. Justice Flood and his team and they deserve our thanks for this, as Senators have said.

The Bill is the Government's practical response to an individual effort and a personal commitment in respect of an important area of public affairs. On a broader level the State can be justly proud of the contribution the Judiciary has made and continues to make, both in terms of it members' day to day work on the Bench and currently in the other inquiries and tribunals which regrettably are now part of the process of trying to arrive at the truth in certain matters of public concern.

In the specific area of pensions, the reality is that many judges take up duty on the Bench relatively late in their careers, with the result that some judges do not accrue the necessary years of service required to receive the maximum pension entitlements under the judicial pension scheme. In the particular case which is the subject of this legislation, the judge in question in just over six years short of the necessary 15 years service, which would entitle him to a full pension. He has agreed, at the request of the Government, to continue on as Chairman of this tribunal until its work is completed. I believe this should be responded to in this way.

The Bill has been introduced to deal with an individual case. Other judges are not involved. The arrangements provided for in the Bill are well deserved. Once again, I commend the Bill and I thank Senators for their contributions.

Question put and agreed to.
Agreed to take remaining Stages today.
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