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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 11 Oct 2000

Vol. 164 No. 1

Mutual Enforcement of Judgments on Rights of Access to Children: Motion.

I move:

That Seanad Éireann approves the exercise by the State of the option, provided by Article 3 of the fourth Protocol set out in the Treaty of Amsterdam, to notify the President of the Council of the European Union that it wishes to take part in the adoption and application of the following proposed measure:

a proposal for a Council Regulation (EC) on the mutual enforcement of judgments on rights of access to children (O.J. No. C234, 15.8.00, p.7)

copies of which proposed measure were laid before Seanad Éireann on 3 October 2000.

Minister of State at the Department of Health and Children (Ms Hanafin): The need for this motion arises because of the Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution which enabled Ireland to ratify the Amsterdam Treaty and also allowed the State to exercise certain options contained in that Treaty, including the option in the fourth Protocolumn. Under the terms of the consti tutional amendment, such exercise is subject to the prior approval of both Houses of the Oireachtas.

The Treaty of Amsterdam, which came into operation on 1 May 1999 added to the EC Treaty a new Title IV which deals with visas, asylum, immigration and other policies related to the free movement of persons, including judicial co-operation in civil matters. The fourth Protocol to the Amsterdam Treaty establishes the positions of Ireland and the United Kingdom in relation to the issues arising under Title IV. Its effect is to exempt both countries from all the provisions of Title IV but to permit either or both to opt in to particular measures under the terms and conditions set out in the Protocolumn. Under Article 3 of the Protocol, the State has three months from the date a proposal or initiative is presented to the Council of Ministers to notify our wish to take part in the adoption and application of the measure. We may also accept a measure any time after it has been adopted.

It is important to point out that the conference which adopted the Amsterdam Treaty took note of a declaration by Ireland that it intended to exercise its right under Article 3 of the Protocol to take part in the adoption of measures pursuant to Title IV to the maximum extent compatible with the maintenance of the Common Travel Area with the United Kingdom. It follows from this that our predisposition in relation to measures such as the one we are now discussing is to participate in their adoption. This will be the seventh occasion on which the approval of both Houses will have been sought for the State to exercise the option provided in the fourth Protocol in respect of a proposal for an EU legal instrument.

Under Article 65 of the Amsterdam Treaty, judicial co-operation in civil matters includes, among other things, measures aimed at improving and simplifying the recognition and enforcement of decisions in civil and commercial cases. Formerly, judicial co-operation in civil matters was dealt with under the Third Pillar of the Maastricht Treaty, which was largely intergovernmental in nature. The Amsterdam Treaty changed that by including this subject in the EC Treaty, that is, the First Pillar. For a transitional period of five years from the coming into force of the Amsterdam Treaty member states share with the Commission the right to table new initiatives. The draft regulation we are now discussing is an example of a proposal made by a member state, in this case France which, as it happens, currently holds the Presidency of the Council of Ministers.

The consequence of the presentation of this measure by France to the Council is that if the State wishes to opt in to its adoption, we have until 13 October to inform the President of the Council of our intentions. Failure to opt in at this time does not prevent us from participating in relevant meetings of the Council working parties which will discuss these proposals. However, we would not be able to opt in until the negotiations were concluded and the measure adopted, and our ability to influence the outcome of the discussions would be correspondingly limited.

In October 1999, the European Council, at a meeting in Tampere, Finland, on the creation of a European area of freedom, security and justice, highlighted the need to establish a genuine European judicial area. In that regard, the Council endorsed the principle of mutual recognition of judicial decisions and judgments. Judgments in the area of family litigation, including those relating to access rights, were considered by the European Council as being appropriate for early action to promote this principle.

This draft regulation aims to ensure the effective exercise in one member state of rights of access ordered in another member state and the return of the child to the custodial parent once rights of access have been exercised. The scope of the regulation as it stands is confined to marital children. The regulation addresses the right of children to maintain regular contact with both parents, whatever the parents' place of residence. The draft regulation is essentially a modification of the Brussels II Regulation on the recognition and enforcement of judgments in matrimonial matters and in matters of parental responsibility for joint children: Article 14 of the draft regulation provides that Brussels II shall apply to the judgments covered save where otherwise provided in this draft.

The principal features of the draft regulation are, first, it relates to marital children under the age of 16 when enforcement of a judgment is sought; second, a judgment on rights of access which has been given and is enforceable in a member state, even provisionally, can be enforced in any other member state without the need to obtain a declaration of enforceability in the latter state – this is a derogation from Brussels II which requires a declaration of enforceability; third, enforcement of the access order may only be suspended in limited circumstances, namely, if enforcement of the order would put the child's interests at serious risk or if there is another enforceable judgment which is irreconcilable – however, while enforcement may only be suspended in these circumstances, the custodial parent can bring proceedings for a decision that the order should not be recognised or enforced on the grounds set out in the Brussels II Regulation but, unless and until the court decides in the custodial parent's favour, the order will not be suspended and will continue to be enforced; fourth, if the child is not returned to the parent with custody rights at the end of the period of access, the custodial parent may apply in the host state for the prompt return of the child and the court must order the return of the child notwithstanding grounds of local jurisdiction or grounds under the Hague Convention on child abduction, to which Ireland is a party, which may exist for refusal; and, finally, central authorities are to be established by member states to exchange information, to encourage voluntary return of children and to arrange any necessary legal proceedings.

This measure will supplement existing international and EU law in the area. Many Senators will be aware that Ireland is, with the other EU states, a party to the Hague and Council of Europe conventions on child abduction, which provide for the return of children to the place from which they have been wrongfully abducted by a parent but also cover the case where a child is wrongfully retained under access arrangements in another state. Those conventions, particularly the Hague Convention, which are administered by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform have operated with considerable success over the years. A difficulty with the Hague Convention is that, although it is intertwined with international abduction cases, it does not adequately address the problem of enforcing access rights.

Certain of those difficulties are addressed in the 1996 Hague Convention on the Protection of Children. Ireland has taken a leading role among EU states and elsewhere by bringing forward legislation to enable ratification of that convention. Australia and New Zealand are preparing similar legislation. Our legislation is the Protection of Children (Hague Convention) Bill which is at present before this House, having been passed by the Dáil. The EU proposal we are now discussing is framed in a different way from the 1996 convention and, as I have said, is confined to marital children. Nevertheless, the EU initiative proposed by France is indicative of the importance that attaches to the subject of access orders.

Having been presented to the Council of Ministers, work on the draft regulation is now to proceed in a Council working party and the outcome of negotiations in the Council framework will be submitted, in due course, for decision by the Justice and Home Affairs Ministers.

It is fair to say that, based on the discussions which have taken place to date, two aspects of the proposal which are giving rise to some concern on the part of at least some member states are the provision that a declaration of enforceability will not be necessary in the requested state and, second, the exact circumstances in which enforcement of an order can be suspended. It is clear that a good deal of revision will be required of the regulation before it is acceptable in full to member states, including Ireland. I will, of course, take account of points that may be made by Senators on any aspect of the proposal.

Opting in at this stage, then, does not imply that we will approve of everything in the proposal as it now stands but it does give us the scope to participate to maximum effect in the development of the measure. It is important that Ireland responds positively by exercising its right to opt in now so that we can play a full and constructive part in the negotiations at working party level and, ultimately, in the Justice and Home Affairs Council.

Molaim an rún seo don tSeanad.

I welcome the Minister of State to the House, particularly in view of the fact that she is presenting this draft regulation, which arises from article three of the fourth protocol to the Treaty of Amsterdam, in relation to the enforcement of custody orders across the European Union. However, much discussion and refinement of the regulation is needed before it finally becomes part of European law.

We are right to opt in at this stage so that we will be able to participate fully in the making of the final draft. The Minister of State rightly made the point that if we opted out at this stage, while we would be part of the working group negotiations, our next opportunity to opt in would be when the draft is finalised. At that stage, we would have had no influence over the shape of the final draft.

The major shortcoming of the draft is, as the Minister of State said, that it applies only to marital children. Not only is that a very serious shortcoming, it also amounts to serious discrimination. I hope that, as we are opting in so that we can be part of the negotiations on the final paper, we will argue very strongly that the terms must be broadened to include children born inside and outside marriage. We cannot forget that one third of all births in this country today are outside marriage, which is a social phenomenon of our time. Battles are fought in our courts on a daily basis over the custody of non-marital children.

The other major shortcoming is that it applies only to children who are under 16 years of age when the enforcement judgment is applied for. Many people would say that is at least one year too young and would argue it should apply to children under 17 or even 18 years. I ask the Minister of State to take these serious points on board.

Legal actions in regard to the custody of children often centre around the right of the mother to be the guardian of children or to have the greater access to them. This kind of culture has grown up in law. The Children Act, 1997, gave fathers of non-marital children the right to seek guardianship of their children. The mother is the natural guardian of children. That legislation addressed a major gap in the law. However, in the legal culture fathers are often discriminated against, in terms of the language used and the attitudes displayed. We should argue along those lines in our contribution to the final draft.

I welcome the proposal that legal action for the enforceability of access need only take place in one country, which I know there is debate about, and that there would be no need for further legal action in the other state involved. For example, legal action taken in France in regard to the abduction of a child would be legally binding in Ireland. However, there is rightly a derogation from that in special circumstances.

The Minister of State mentioned two areas which could give rise to a lot of concern among many member states. They are the provision that a declaration of enforceability will not be neces sary in the requested state and, second, the exact circumstances in which enforcement of an order can be suspended. These are two major issues. However, while not wishing to take from those two major concerns raised by the Minister of State, an even more important point is that this regulation only provides for the children of married couples.

I was quite surprised to hear on a radio discussion this morning that there is very little reporting of family law cases in the Irish courts because of the in camera rule, which is for the right reasons. I am not talking here about press reporting but the normal reporting of judgments, in which a lot of wisdom is contained and from which much good law proceeds. This is in contrast with the position in the United Kingdom where there is very comprehensive reportage which protects the identities of the people involved. The UK judgments are published and are a great source of information for legal professionals and the public. We need to look at that.

There is a huge number of family law cases in our courts. I was surprised to hear there are two Circuit Court sittings in Dublin, with a third to be added, five days a week dealing with family law cases. They cover divorce, judicial separation, custody – which we are dealing with today – guardianship and so on. That does not take account of the fact that there is at least one High Court judge in Dublin alone dealing with family law cases, nor does it take account of the amount of time the District Court in Dublin and throughout the country spends on family law cases, all of which are held in camera.A huge amount of jurisprudence arises from all that legal action but it is not reported. This is a matter that needs to be seriously looked at. We always try to protect the names of the victims in the same way as in criminal cases involving rape and sexual abuse which are heard in open court and are reported in the media without revealing the names to protect victims. The Court Services Board is having a look at this issue but the Minister's Department should be active in relation to it. I am in favour of retention of the in camera rule but the problem is that much of what should be reported in the official legal journal is not reported. I ask the Minister to look at that issue.

I welcome the fact that this motion is being debated today. It has to be finished by 13 October. I sincerely hope before the final draft is signed the Minister will report to the House and give us an opportunity to comment on it before it becomes part of European law.

I welcome the motion. I welcome also the Minister of State to the House. This is my first opportunity to welcome her here. It is my wish that she will return to this House over many years with further motions and Bills.

As Senator Connor said, this motion has to be passed by Friday. It allows us to sit down at the table with the other EU member states, except Denmark and England, to discuss ways and means in which access orders, granted in one member state, can be enforced in other member states. I welcome that.

The Minister of State has said central authorities are to be established by member states to exchange information to encourage voluntary return. That is and should be the underlying tenet behind all these discussions. We all know that when family disputes enter the law courts the children suffer most. We are here to give the Minister permission to negotiate on behalf of Irish children or children born in Ireland who may be domiciled in other states of the EU. I have sympathy with Senator Connor's view that all children of a union should be included rather than merely marital children. It is possible when the discussions begin and they get down to teasing out the nitty gritty that we and all the other member states may be of the view that all children should be included.

I welcome the motion and wish it well.

It is nice to see the Minister of State getting so much support, given that this is an issue into which she and her officials have put a great deal of time. This motion is important and I am pleased she has taken the initiative and will be involved in the discussions on the resolution. Those discussions cannot but be helped by her input.

It is interesting that the words that struck Senator Fitzpatrick were exactly the words that struck me as being the most important. They are that central authorities are to be established by member states to exchange information to encourage voluntary return of children and to arrange any necessary legal proceedings. Perhaps because of our professional backgrounds, Senator Fitzpatrick and I have seen too much of what happens to families when the law has to be invoked.

The European President's representative for transnationally abducted children is an Irish MEP, Mary Banotti. When she commenced work in this area she thought she would have to deal with cases only once or twice a year. There is an amazing number of cases within the European Union each year, not to mention those in Ireland. There are over 100 cases in Ireland every year, most of which are settled amicably. Children are taken from various parts of England or Northern Ireland to Ireland by grandparents because parents have had a falling out. Some 50% come in here and 50% are taken out. Fortunately it has not become a cause célèbre in the newspapers. I view this as an important issue.

It is sad when a marriage breaks down. Not only is it tragic for the children but they are used as weapons within the marriage. A court makes a decision on who should have custody of the children and on the visiting rights. The partner who may decide to go against the court decision uses the children against the other partner. Grandparents also get involved. This is an area for which we must try to set up the structures. What we seek is a voluntary return of the children, not more court cases. However, there will be further court cases. That means the structures will have to be set up here for whatever number there are. Not all cases will be from England or Northern Ireland. Some will be continental cases for which the facilities of interpreters and translators will be required to ensure the judgments of the various courts are accessible to those dealing with the cases here. I hope the necessary resources will be made available to the Minister's Department to ensure the structures are put in place.

Like Senators Connor and Fitzpatrick, I am concerned that the scope of the regulation is confined to marital children. I cannot see why that is the case because it is at the end of a divorce settlement that problems occur. Perhaps we can discuss the position of non-marital children under the Protection of Children (Hague Convention) Bill. While the abduction of children transnationally can be by criminals, as in the recent dreadful cases in Italy, for child prostitution or involvement in pornography, as in the Russian cases, it is important to remember that in general these are family cases. They are the children of a marriage or the children of perhaps a long-term relationship.

Senators have pointed to the high level of births outside marriage. Senator Connor put the figure at 30%, whereas I would have thought it was 25%. It could have increased during the course of the summer. People in long-term relationships, particularly men, do not fully understand they do not have the same rights regarding their children as if they were married. Young people who have two or three children and whom I try to address regarding the advisability of marriage see no good reason they should be married. We do not want to point out to them the problems they may encounter on breaking up when we are trying to encourage the relationship but the view abroad is that it makes little difference to the parents' position. We have to be aware of questions regarding total equality of rights in this situation. What about a child whose mother was raped? Does that father have the same rights to access to the child? I do not know. If he goes before the courts, what will his rights be?

I look forward to the Minister of State teasing out these matters and I hope she will return to the House to discuss the resolution. I congratulate her and her officials on the initiative they have shown.

I thank Senators Connor, Fitzpatrick and Henry for their contributions. It is important that we exercise our option within the three month period for the reason the Senators have outlined, to ensure we can participate in the debate. I thank the Senators for not expecting me to have all the answers today. These issues can be teased out in the course of the debate on the resolution.

It is an instrument which will facilitate access to children by their parents. It will clarify the law in member states in the European Union and it should have long-term and tangible benefits in terms of the time and expense involved in access proceedings in the civil courts.

Senator Connor referred to the fact that it applies to children under the age of 16 years and said that a number of people were of the opinion that the age should be 17 or 18 years. The age of 16 years is in line with two international conventions, the Hague convention and the Council of Europe convention. However, the Senator's views can be debated further and taken into consideration during the negotiation of the regulation.

The main issue of concern was the exclusion of non-marital children. As is the case here, this issue has caused great concern for many member states not least the French, who have indicated that they would like to extend the scope of existing instruments to address the legal needs of non-marital children. I am sure this will be reviewed and that the scope of the regulations for judgments concerning children will be central to all future discussions on this.

It is expected that these new procedures for co-operation will result in the more efficient and effective functioning of judicial proceedings. It is my hope in relation to rights of access, irrespective of where judgments are made, that the interests of the child will be paramount at all times. Go raibh maith agaibh.

Question put and agreed to.
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