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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 27 Feb 2002

Vol. 169 No. 8

Prison Accommodation.

I welcome the Minister of State to the House to discuss the matter of Mountjoy Prison visitors' centre which has changed remarkably since I had the sad privilege of visiting a number of prisoners there 25 or 30 years ago. The situation was fairly horrible then, although the staff were good humoured, friendly, decent and caring. With the redevelopment of the prison, things have become much more humane.

I recently attended a remarkable play called "Up the Flats" written by one of the inmates of Mountjoy Prison. The play was staged by a wonderful group called the Pathways Group. While waiting in the queue I discovered I did not have my ticket and when I asked others in the queue about the routine involved, I was told I might not be allowed in. It turned out that I was talking to the playwright's proud mother. It was nice that she was able to witness her son's achievement. The shame of a prison sentence often reflects on the family and it is very important to treat them in a humane way. They are very vulnerable people. We are lucky to have such a good governor in Mr. Lonergan who makes very humane provision for the inmates.

A proposal to cutback this service has shaken the families involved and they have organised a petition. A copy of the petition and an accompanying document was sent to me on behalf of the people involved. It makes the point that the services offered in the centre play a crucial role in supporting visitors, many of whom are vulnerable and in need of support. If the planned redundancies go ahead, the impact on the service would have serious consequences on the high standard of care currently offered to visitors. I intend to place some of the families' remarks on the record of the House.

The child care service would be diminished. It is very important to look after the children of families who visit people in prison. This will impact greatly on families, children and their carers and would also have a knock-on effect on all visitors and officers involved in the centre. The children have grown accustomed to using the play facilities. To find them closed would cause great anguish to children and their accompanying carer and would obviously affect the parent they are visiting. To take it away would be similar to taking candy from a child. It would be a desperate thing to do. Serious health and safety risks would ensue if the play areas were closed and children were allowed to run freely around the centre. On the few occasions when the play area has been closed due to staff training, parents who were already under considerable strain found it difficult to keep their children occupied. This resulted in many of the children becoming over excited, running around the centre and, at times, outside. Other visitors' anxieties were seen to increase as they worried about the children's safety, noise levels and the consequences of such behaviour.

It would be difficult to maintain the current level of care given to people who appear to be under the influence of substances. This is because the focus of staff would be exclusively on issues of child safety. The constant counselling and listening support being engaged in around the centre would be affected and the noise level would be too high for anyone to sustain proper conversation.

Before the centre was opened, visitors were given little regard in terms of facilities. Visitors and officers often speak about the terrible conditions that existed then and how delighted they are with the centre and the high level of service they receive. There is unanimity between the visitors and the officers on this point.

One cannot deny the pressures and strains visitors of prisoners experience, no matter what their background. They need support and understanding as they often express how isolated they feel having nobody to turn to with regard to problems associated with having a loved one imprisoned. For many relatives and friends of prisoners, prison visitor centres have become places where they are welcomed with dignity and respect in a non-judgmental, non-hostile environment. The families have done nothing, yet they are punished.

This imaginative opening up of visitor centres has enormously increased the self-respect of visitors and the comfort of visiting in these sad circumstances. Staff work hard at establishing and, over time, maintaining supportive relationships with all visitors. Many people visiting have described the centres as a home away from home, warm and welcoming, with an emphasis on advice, referrals and professional contact. To maintain the high standard of care to which the visitors have grown accustomed, the staff levels currently provided need to be maintained, yet nine child care workers, three project officers, a receptionist and a personal assistant are to be made redundant at the end of this month. That is dreadful.

I will conclude by quoting the following remarks made by family members who have visited the prison:

The staff up here are very helpful, very good humoured and always have a smile.

The staff here are the nicest staff in all of the places, nice, respectable, good mannered and helpful.

The staff here are very good, they are very polite, they look after the children very well. The tea bar is great.

I think the staff are very good and nice and they look after the kids great.

Well needed for children. Nice and clean area. Friendly staff.

The improvements here over the past few years have been much appreciated by visiting families and by staff. To reduce the staff would be a backward step. Thank you.

It is a pleasure to come here and meet such nice, helpful people and to be served tea.

The staff are great. I have two kids and would be lost without the play area and the support of all the staff.

The staff are very helpful. I have three kids who love the crèche and would miss it very much. It also gives me a chance to sit and have a cup of tea. I think it was the best idea that was ever thought up. It would be a sin to close down this place. The staff are the best staff in any job and I hope it gets support.

I appeal to the Minister of State to do what she can to support this remarkable and humane initiative.

I thank Senator Norris for raising this issue and I take this opportunity to answer his concerns on behalf of my colleague, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform.

At the commencement of the current prisons building and refurbishment programme, initiated by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, the facilities available to prison visitors, especially the families and friends of persons detained in the various prisons and places of detention, were identified as an area which had been neglected for many years and which was in need of particular attention. This is borne out by the comments made by Senator Norris. It was, therefore, decided to incorporate purpose-built and designed reception facilities for visitors to prisons. These facilities are equipped with rest rooms, areas for the storage of personal belongings, tea stations, baby changing facilities and areas where children can be kept occupied. Given the comments Senator Norris read into the record of the House, these are very welcome developments. Such centres are in operation at St. Patrick's Institution, Mountjoy Prison, Mountjoy Female Prison, Castlerea Prison, Cloverhill Prison and the Midlands Prison. New waiting rooms on these lines are currently under construction at Limerick Prison and work will be starting shortly on centres at Cork and Portlaoise prisons.

In 1999, the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and the Religious Society of Friends were invited to jointly manage some of the waiting room areas on behalf of the Prisons Service. The importance of having non-prison personnel available to prison visitors was and is fully acknowledged by the Prisons Service. The emphasis at the outset was on volunteer involvement but the volunteer element appears to have disappeared over time and virtually everyone involved is now a paid employee of these charities.

The Prisons Service fully recognises and supports the excellent work being undertaken at the visitor centres and in that context the following funding was or is being provided: in 2000, £250,862; 2001, £275,848, which was later increased to £395,948, and in the current year, €571,382, or £450,000. The House will appreciate that, from these sums, considerable and increasing amounts of money have been made available by the Minister and the Department to the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and the Religious Society of Friends to manage the visitor centres.

However, there is a need to ensure that these centres are properly staffed and managed within realistic and appropriately controlled budgets. A cause of concern at this time are the rapidly escalating costs coupled with the loss to a great extent of the original voluntary ethos of these visitor centres. When they were first opened, a key element of their operation and the understanding with the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform and the Prisons Service, was the involvement of voluntary staff. This now appears to have been lost. In fairness, the Child Care Act imposed certain staffing obligations on the centres for which additional funding was arranged by the Department.

There has been a substantial increase in the money available for the operation of the centres, as outlined in the figures I have provided, representing an increase of over 60%. However, the Director General of the Prisons Service has advised that the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and the Religious Society of Friends are currently reviewing their operations at these centres from a financial and management control perspective. The Prisons Service is contributing towards the financial costs of that review, which it is understood will commence very shortly.

From what I have said, it is clear there has been a major investment in the provision of these services to visitors, which is welcomed by all the users. Senators will be aware that there are many demands on the resources available to the Prisons Service for the provision of services to prisoners and that many other voluntary groups who provide such services also receive funding directly from the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. It is, therefore, essential to ensure that all such funding is properly evaluated and that a balanced approach is maintained. Most importantly, it is essential to ensure that, in each and every case, the various grants are evaluated and accounted for having regard to the services involved and the needs which are being met. In this instance, it is important to remember that most visitors spend less than 20 minutes in such centres before they are called to have their visit. The Minister is satisfied that the moneys being provided will be sufficient to continue to ensure the delivery of the services required at prison waiting rooms, including the Mountjoy Prison rooms, at a level which is more than satisfactory.

I thank the Minister of State but I urge her to take this matter back to the Minister because it is not satisfactory. I apologise to her for having inflicted on her the responsibility for reciting this mean-minded piece of verbiage. There is no mention of the redundancies involved. The Minister of State has heard what the families have said on this issue. It is terrible.

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