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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 4 Feb 2009

Vol. 193 No. 10

Human Rights Issues: Motion.

I move:

That Seanad Éireann, in the light of:

the abolition of the Combat Poverty Agency;

the destruction of the Equality Authority;

the downsizing of the Irish Human Rights Commission;

the absorption of the National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism;

as well as the refusal to advocate the monitoring of the human rights protocols attached to the external trade agreement between Israel and the EU;

the abandonment of the people of Tibet in the interests of trade;

the historic collaboration with the Bush Administration in the rendition programme;

calls upon the Government to strongly and publicly affirm its commitment to human rights and to the individual exercise of those rights both domestically and internationally.

I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs, Deputy Peter Power, to the House. While the principal focus of the motion is on areas that concern the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, I am sure the Minister of State will transmit this information to his colleagues.

This is a time of severe economic strain and some may wonder why in this environment, instead of taking an issue related to our finances, I have chosen instead to address human rights. I have done so precisely because of the current situation. In an economic blizzard such as we are facing, it is all too easy for human rights to be blown off the public agenda. This tragically seems to be happening here in Ireland. Moreover, just as the al-Qaeda attacks on the United States were used as a cover for the comprehensive undermining of human rights in that country, here there is a parallel danger that our economic and budgetary difficulties may serve as a camouflage for the deliberate dismantling of the various human rights organs of the State which act as a fundamental safeguard for ordinary citizens.

Over recent months there has been what can only be described as a series of systematic attacks by the Government on virtually all State organisations engaged in the area of human rights. This appears to be an attempt to muzzle or drown out the voices of the disadvantaged at the very time when they most need to be heard. It is only by allowing these voices to be heard that we can come together as a community to address the very difficult times in which we live. Organisations under siege include the Combat Poverty Agency, the National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism, the Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission. That the economic arguments employed to justify these measures do not stack up was bravely placed on the record by a Member on the Government side in this House during a debate some weeks ago. The excuse of financial stringency has been exposed as absurd and self-contradictory.

The Government, however, by keeping the brand name alive while destroying the substance, pretends these organisations have in some sense survived abolition, absorption, financial castration and forced decentralisation. The mere ghost existence of such groups is a fig leaf concealing the sinister reality that not one of them is now in a position realistically to vindicate the rights of citizens. There is no point whatever in citizens allegedly having rights if they are discouraged or prevented from exercising them. That is, most unfortunately, the state which we have deliberately created in Ireland and collaborated with at international level.

In an Adjournment debate on 18 November 2008, I made a strong case for the retention and strengthening of the Combat Poverty Agency, the Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission. Events have moved on since that debate. We have had the honourable resignation of Niall Crowley, chief executive of the Equality Authority, on the grounds that the Government's action rendered the authority ineffective. The chair of the board significantly declined to support her chief executive and those other members of the board who attempted to resist the Government attack. There has been another series of resignations since. On 19 January this year, the ICTU representatives, Louise O'Donnell and David Joyce, both resigned. They had stayed on to see what could be rescued from the debris. In her resignation letter, Ms. O'Donnell said that she was "greatly concerned about the direction the chair is taking" and stated that the chair "had clearly indicated that she wishes to diminish the role of professionals within the organisation and to move away from its role as an advocate for those who cannot represent themselves".

The downsizing of both staff and budget appears to be having a catastrophic effect on the capacity of the authority to fulfil its mandate. Reductions in staff numbers, replacement of key personnel by persons inexperienced in the area of human rights as well as the farcical insistence on decentralisation has, according to board members, "led to a huge loss in corporate memory". It is, in addition, very disquieting, despite all the talk of economic necessity, that the Government in July 2008 added in by nomination an extra four members of the board at a cost of €40,000 per annum. This appeared to be done to load the vote on the board in the Government's interest.

This is not good governance and the situation must be addressed urgently. The chair of the Equality Authority should resign immediately, having signally failed to protect the interests of her own organisation and presided over the resignation of the chief executive and now up to half the board. I publicly call upon her today to do so. In addition, the tattered remnants of the serving board should also pack up their kit and salvage what little dignity they have left. Like the ancient Israelites, they are being commanded to make bricks without straw. We are not living in the middle kingdom of ancient Egypt. We are in a 21st century European democracy and they should land this task, which has been deliberately made impossible, back in the lap of the Government. The fraudulence of the Government's pretended commitment to human rights should be publicly exposed.

One of the reasons for the Government's attitude appears to be that the preponderance of issues taken up by these groups involves criticism of services provided by Government agencies. Historically, we have a good and proud Civil Service establishment but it is only human to resent what may be perceived as incessant criticism. However, it is the responsibility of Government to resist this tendency. Unfortunately, the Government has fostered this climate of resistance, denial and spiteful payback. Just as there has been shown to be a golden circle in our financial establishment, so it seems there is a brass circle in our bureaucratic establishment that is only too happy to incite or collaborate with Government in the undermining of agencies perceived to be critical of the State.

I am astonished at the docile response of the trade union leadership and I call upon them at this late stage to make the restoration of Government support for human rights agencies a major plank of their negotiations concerning social partnership. Indeed, it seems as if all the agencies I have mentioned in my motion are being targeted precisely because of their independence and an attempt is being made to remove their professional capacity. Almost 70% of the Equality Authority case files, for example, involved allegations of discrimination against public sector service providers. However, rather than reinforce the work of the Equality Authority to secure necessary change, eliminate discrimination and promote equality in key areas such as the provision of health services, education and housing, the Government has chosen to kill off the Equality Authority completely.

This is not new. I have on several occasions before in this House instanced the appalling example in which the Equality Tribunal upheld a case of discrimination against a transport company for not extending the same travel rights to a gay couple which were automatically granted to heterosexual couples, whether married or not. Instead of acting to rectify this situation, the Government intervened legislatively to copperfasten the discrimination by redefining the word "spouse" specifically to exclude gay couples from the rights to which the very Equality Tribunal established by Government decided they were entitled. This resulted in the only European legislation with which I am familiar which actively introduced discrimination in this area.

We have equality legislation on the Statute Book but this is vitiated by the exemption of the churches from the equality legislation. They continue to be entitled, despite their deplorable record in terms of child molestation, to terminate the employment of teachers in jobs that are paid out of the tax dollars of citizens merely because of their sexual orientation. Once again, we have legislation in place that is marred by obvious lacunae.

The establishment of the Irish Human Rights Commission was trumpeted by Government as a move of European-wide significance and as part of the agreement between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland Governments to ensure human rights developed on both sides of the Border in directly parallel ways. Nevertheless, even before these cuts the Northern Ireland equivalent was significantly better resourced and financed. Now the IHRC is left to struggle desperately but honourably to accomplish its remit in circumstances that make such an achievement almost impossible.

Turning to the international context, there has been our ignoble acquiescence in the Iraq war. I think I can say that I have been consistent in this matter. I spoke out for human rights in Iraq over many years against the Saddam Hussein regime and I opposed the naked barbarity of the war on Iraq launched by George Bush. The Government, in defiance of the wish of the people clearly expressed in mass demonstrations, adopted a position of queasy equivocation. All over the world people protested while governments did nothing. Had the United States of America been persuaded against this action, we might not have had the tragedy in Gaza. The two military assaults have certain clear, significant similarities in the exclusion of the press, the mass attacks on centres of civilian population and the use of white phosphorus in highly questionable circumstances. Most incredibly, the leader of the free world, the United States of America, assented to the horrors of kidnapping and torture, first denying and then attempting to justify and legislate for these moral aberrations.

Once again, Ireland acquiesced and, more than that, refused to confront the manifestation of this evil on our own soil in the form of aircraft which were used in the unbroken circuit of rendition being refuelled on a number of occasions at Shannon Airport. Response to questioning in the Oireachtas was shifty and dishonest. Spokespersons from the Minister down refused to answer clear questions, instead answering questions of their own confection. Time and again we were told that there was no evidence that prisoners in shackles were being taken through Shannon Airport, although even this proved to be untrue in one curious case. Never was the central question, the refuelling at Shannon of American aeroplanes whose only known purpose was rendition, addressed.

The committee of inquiry of this House, which was in the process of being established with all-party support to determine the facts in an impartial manner, was shamefully disbanded at the instigation of elements within the Government. Official Ireland accepted bland assurances, that had no legal value or basis, from Ms Condoleezza Rice that the USA did not engage in torture. What else is water boarding, drowning and medical resuscitation of victims but torture? Even the USA legal establishment has now belatedly come to acknowledge this, and in recent weeks a judge of the American military tribunals has dismissed charges against a Guantanamo inmate on the basis that he was subjected to torture. The President of the USA, Mr. Barack Obama, has openly spoken about having to dismantle the apparatus of torture after the demise of the discredited Bush regime.

In the Middle East, Washington has so far played a malign role. Under the cloak and protection of the Bush administration's guilty practices, Israeli authorities felt enabled to launch a blitzkrieg against the already suffocating population of Gaza. The European Union had paved the way for this by refusing to accept the democratically expressed will of the people of Gaza in electing a Hamas-led Government while simultaneously preaching the virtues of democracy. The EU cut off all sources of finance to the beleaguered people. In recent years, I have repeatedly tabled motions requesting that the human rights conditions of the Euromed partnership, especially Article 2 of the external association agreement between Israel and the European Union which places as an essential element the respect for human rights and democratic principles, should be examined. This was a mild step, but it was not adopted nor was it even advocated by Ireland.

In the war on Gaza there is now ample prima facie evidence of war crimes committed by the Israeli forces. As with the USA in Iraq, reporters were excluded, civilian areas were intensively bombed and civilian schools and medical facilities were targeted. Even UN facilities, the co-ordinates of which were repeatedly made known to the Israeli military, were subject to attack. Chemical materials of an extremely dangerous nature such as white phosphorus were extensively used. There is some lenience in international law for the use of white phosphorus but merely as a masking agent to create a smokescreen for troop movement. Its use against humans, either soldiers or civilians, is expressly forbidden in densely populated areas. Any use of white phosphorus in a place such as Gaza is bound to cause civilian casualties. Almost the whole of Gaza is, in fact, a built-up area in which 1.5 million people live crammed into a place about the size of greater Dublin. In the enormous ghetto that is Gaza, there is simply nowhere for a civilian population to escape.

There is ample evidence of families rushing desperately from one refuge to another before finally being wiped out like rats in a trap. Mr. Christopher Cobb-Smith, an acknowledged weapons expert who was in Gaza as part of an Amnesty International fact finding team stated, "We saw streets and alleyways littered with evidence of the use of white phosphorus, including still burning wedges and the remnants of the shells and canisters fired by the Israeli army."

The reports speak further of the inevitable endangering of civilians. In one case recorded on 21 January, Ms Abu Halima, matriarch of a farming family in Beit Lahiya, was caught in an inferno that burnt her husband and four of her nine children to death. Her own evidence stated:

Fire came streaming from the bodies of my husband and my children. The children were screaming fire, fire and there was smoke everywhere and a horrible suffocating smell. My fourteen year old cried out I am going to die I want to pray. I saw my daughter-in-law melt away.

Even an Israeli who was a part of the Amnesty investigation, Ms Donatella Rovera, stated in an interview: "We do not know why they used them, but we do know that it could constitute a war crime."

New weapons are being used including dense inert metal explosive, DIME, munitions. These may cause a small wound to the individual initially. Then having insidiously entered the body it operates with extraordinary and devastating impact on the internal organs. According to the Norwegian doctor, Mads Gilbert, who worked in Gaza in the Shifa Hospital:

There is a new generation of very powerful small explosives. There is a very strong suspicion I think that Gaza is now being used as a test laboratory for new weapons.

Italian scientists in a new weapons research committee have said in a statement: "Evidence is mounting of DIME munitions wounds that may be untreatable due to the incorporation of metals such as tungsten." I have more information on this matter which I will provide later on.

Once again, the United States of America is supplying these materials of death and destruction and Ireland may be implicated. Immediately prior to the first use of white phosphorus by the Israelis in Gaza, a USA military plane, a C-130 Hercules, No. 92-0552, with unusual cargo handling modifications landed at Shannon. This plane is based at Little Rock air force base in Arkansas, USA, almost beside the Pine Bluff Arsenal white phosphorus facility, the only active producer of white phosphorus for the USA military. As in the case of rendition, we cannot conclusively say whether this plane was carrying white phosphorus or whether, as a result, we have criminal involvement in the perpetration of the horror of Gaza.

However, I am pleased that the Minister for Foreign Affairs supported the call, along with Cyprus, Sweden and Portugal, for the establishment of a war crimes inquiry. Opposition to this very reasonable move was led by Germany, prompting the question why the unfortunate Palestinians should have to pay for the guilty conscience of Germans. I urge the Minister to continue discussions with those countries that supported the call for an international war crimes investigation with a view to getting some accountability for civilian victims of the war.

Of course, there were Israeli victims too, although the numbers were very small, with casualties running in the region of 100 Palestinians to one Israeli, and three of the 13 Israelis who died did so as a result of so-called friendly fire. There were rockets fired by Hamas. This is wrong and regrettable. However, was it never to fight back? Its country was economically strangled, civilians and military personnel assassinated by remote control, any attempt at exports smothered and fishing boats shelled. What were the people there to do? Perish passively and slowly or move into intolerable subjection? One is reminded of the rhetorical question of the O'Casey character who asked, when confronted by the allegation that Irish republican irregulars were not playing fair, "Do they want us to come out in our pelts and throw stones at them?" Indeed, pathetically in many instances, as we know, this was to all intents the extent of the military response by the Palestinian population.

The Palestinian people are left isolated and unprotected. Protestations of Arab solidarity are an insulting nonsense. At the instigation of the Fatah authorities in Ramallah, the Egyptians refused to allow international medical teams to enter Gaza during the conflict through the Rafa crossing point. According to newspaper reports they used gas against Palestinians caught in the network of underground supply tunnels running between Egypt and Gaza. Most horribly of all, they are still refusing to permit the exit of seriously wounded children who require urgent treatment in European hospitals. Still we do not even attempt to monitor the implementation of human rights protocols attached to significant international treaties. Once again, an empty formal gesture to human rights exists on paper while the actual exercise of these provisions remains deliberately and cynically dormant.

In this context, I welcome very much a new motion passed by the Joint Committee on European Affairs on 15 January 2009. The first was proposed by Deputies Michael Mulcahy and Timmy Dooley of Fianna Fáil concerning possible breach of Article 2 of the EU-Israel Euromed agreement in light of the action in Gaza, and the other, proposed by Deputy Joe Costello of the Labour Party, was a composite motion concerning both the Euromed agreement and the matter of possible war crimes.

The attitude of the Government is now changing as it slowly wheels itself into line with the view of the new Administration of Mr. Barack Obama in Washington. Nevertheless, economic interests dominate even now. That is why there is little formal hope of Irish engagement on the issue of the continuing question of Tibet and the Chinese colonising forces. As we speak there is a forceful crackdown by the Chinese military on the people of Tibet, especially in Lhasa. Our position regarding the historic independence of Tibet has been shifted insidiously, but meticulously, despite protests from honourable members of the Government in recent years and without any debate on the issue or any reference to either House of the Oireachtas. Effectively, the human rights of the citizens of Tibet have been abandoned in the interests of trade. This debate in the Seanad coincides almost exactly with the 50th anniversary of the escape of the Dalai Lama from Lhasa to northern India. The Chinese, with characteristic cultural sadism, have declared a new holiday marking that anniversary, allegedly to celebrate what they call the liberation of the people of Tibet. Those of us in Europe, mindful of the gigantic economic power of the People's Republic of China, utter not a squeak.

There are reports that the Government may move to cut back our commitment to overseas development aid. This is despite the fact that we announced our intention to achieve the target of 0.7% of gross national product in the coming year or two. I believe this would be a very regrettable step, especially since our contribution is calculated not as a gross sum but as a percentage. The actual cost to the Exchequer will decline automatically in parallel with the contraction of our economy. I will conclude my remarks at the end of the debate.

I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Foreign Affairs, Deputy Peter Power, to the House. I congratulate Senator Norris on proposing a motion covering such a wide range of issues which he has raised consistently, regularly and energetically for several years in the House. We should congratulate Senator Norris on highlighting these issues. We call on the Government to affirm strongly and publicly its commitment to human rights and to the individual exercise of those rights both domestically and internationally. Will the Minister of State indicate in his response whether he can endorse that part of the motion, and that the Government has no difficulty strongly and publicly affirming its commitment to human rights and to the individual exercise of those rights, both domestically and internationally? It is important to put this on the record, despite the extent to which we are critical of the Government in terms of how it has dealt with the matter today. I wish to strike that balance, which is important for those reading the record of the debate. We can argue about the implementation and the funding but at least our objectives should coincide.

In the last hour, I have listened to the Minister of State, Deputy Peter Power, defending the Government's position in the other House. My point is that people must retain the objective and the philosophy and then they will deal with the issue.

Senator Norris has quite correctly raised these matters in his motion. Issues arise in this regard and, while I will not have time to cover all the areas, I wish to refer to a few of them. In the past five years, before the departure to China of every ministerial group, I have written to the Government asking it to raise the questions of Tibet and Chinese human rights. The Government should do this and a balance can be found in this regard. Ireland has gone in one direction only and has not raised the issue of rights with the Chinese Government. On every occasion, I should at least be reassured that the Government has stated that this is a matter with which the western world will not put up and about which it must see change. We should at least bargain with the Chinese Government and move it along. The International Olympic Committee tried to do so and was given commitments, which were not delivered on. This is the kind of matter about which we must care. Twenty years have passed since I first raised the issue of Tibet in this House and I have raised it consistently ever since. I recall seconding a motion tabled by the then Senator Mary Robinson in this House, however long ago that was, on this issue.

Such issues define us as a State. We are proud of such institutions. I recall that after the Good Friday Agreement and the consequential establishment of the Human Rights Commission, we basked in the applause of Europe because as an island we were moving forward to deal with such issues. In this House, Members congratulated their former colleague, Senator Maurice Manning, on his appointment to head that organisation. I spoke to him and to his organisation recently and from memory, its budget has been reduced from €2.3 million to €1.4 million or €1.5 million. Because of the nature of the business in which I have been involved, I asked them a simple question, namely, how much of that budget was for salaries and how much did the commission have for its work. Its total budget will barely pay the salaries of its employees. Consequently, although it can perform work at that level, it cannot go beyond it, which is highly restrictive.

I chair Co-operation Ireland's parliamentary group in Leinster House and the matter that concerns its members more than anything else is the lack of depth in community activity and in peace activities. When people are not being killed, the world turns away and thinks all is well but this is far from being the case. I was in company last week, when the Uachtarán travelled to Belfast to visit the peace walls, and three people in that company asked what were peace walls. People do not realise that actual, and not metaphorical walls still are being built in Belfast to separate the Shankill Road from the Falls Road, as well as in other locations. People in the South think that everything is rosy in the garden up there. These issues are defined by the Good Friday Agreement and are hugely important to us. The Minister of State must ensure that the commission can continue in business. I will put it another way. Were Members to find out that human rights in the North were being compromised in some way by activities of a Unionist Government or Assembly, they would have searching questions to ask and would be unhappy about aspects of it. Such a balance also is necessary down here.

As I stated, such matters define us as a State. When one considers the weak and the vulnerable in society, what is important is how we give them voice, representation and their rights. All the organisations, authorities and commissions mentioned in the motion tabled by Senator Norris are conduits through which we do so. I view this development with a certain sense of sadness and poignancy. In the early or mid-1970s, I canvassed for the enactment of employment legislation and the Employment Equality Act finally was enacted in 1977. We then celebrated as it was a huge development of great importance. A couple of years later, in 1978 or 1979, I represented the first teacher to win a case under the equality legislation. Consequently, I have had a long association with this issue and watch it carefully. I admire the work of the Equality Authority. While I know it is an irritant, anything good in a democracy is an irritation. If it does not irritate or catch one's heels at some point, it is not doing its job.

That is extremely important. No matter what walk of life one comes from, a person who tells one what one wishes to hear, rather than what one needs to hear, is not needed. People who tell others what they need, but may not wish, to hear should be valued in a democracy. I believe that is what the Equality Authority was doing and I deeply regret the resignation of Niall Crowley. I say that as an objective observer of the work he was doing. I did not agree with all the issues it raised. Having been elected to this House, Members are part of the establishment and look at matters from a different viewpoint. Nevertheless, I welcomed all the issues it raised. I welcomed them for the discussion they caused, the challenge they created and for the debates Members had on such issues in which they argued among themselves as to whether they were right or wrong. Such creative tension of argumentation advances the political process and is of great importance.

One minute remains to Senator O'Toole.

Senator O'Toole is not speaking fast enough. He should learn from me.

That is unfortunate. As a former president of the ICTU, I regret that the two ICTU delegates to the Equality Authority, Louise O'Donnell and David Joyce, with whom I have worked closely over the years on many issues, have found it necessary to withdraw from it. This is terrible and tragic. These people have a great commitment to such issues, energetically make the effort and make it work. From the ICTU perspective, two issues of extraordinary importance were being dealt with this year. The first pertained to the question of people using agency workers as a means of circumventing the rights of workers. I refer to the use of agencies based in other countries or jurisdictions or in this jurisdiction in an effort to get around the rules dealing with labour legislation. ICTU simply seeks an investigation into this issue, which is the purpose of the Equality Authority. Similarly, ICTU also wanted the authority to examine the manner in which people with intellectual disabilities are being dealt with in sheltered workshops, how such workshops operate, what support exists for them and so on. While the Minister of State may respond by saying the authority still will set about doing so, having considered the budget, one should not cod oneself. This cannot be done in the desired manner.

Will the Minister of State re-examine this issue? I refer to the urgency with which this was done. It could have been stated that the country was going through a bad year and that although cutbacks in the budget were required this year, it would be reinstated in the following year. People could cope with that and could submit a plan, however much one might argue with it. However, it appears as though the authority has been knocked, weakened, handcuffed and shackled. Its energy has been compromised and its force has been diluted. The aforementioned agencies will fail to discharge what is required of them legislatively. As Members established them to perform a task, they must give them support. I want the Minister of State to state the Government hopes to return such a level of support and resources to these agencies next year or the year after. I would like to hear a commitment in this regard.

I second the motion.

I move amendment No. 1:

To delete all words after ‘‘Seanad Éireann'' and substitute the following:

"notes that it is not the Government's intention that the Combat Poverty Agency will simply be absorbed into the Office for Social Inclusion in its existing form, but rather that a new strengthened division will be created that will make the best use of the considerable experience and expertise of the staff of both existing bodies and will seek to provide a stronger voice for those affected by poverty and social inclusion issues;

acknowledges that the very difficult budgetary situation resulting from the global economic crisis has led to necessary reductions in the budgetary allocations to a number of State bodies including, the Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission;

welcomes the establishment of the Office of the Minister for Integration and the measures being taken in promoting interculturalism and tackling racism which are being resourced as core activities by that office;

welcomes the Government's commitment to work with the Equality Authority and the Human Rights Commission to ensure they can fulfil their functions, secure economies in overhead costs and minimise the impact of cuts on core activities;

welcomes the 15% increase in the provision for the Equality Tribunal, which will enable it to tackle the backlog of cases before it;

recognises Ireland's strong record of highlighting human rights concerns internationally, including in regard to places such as the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Burma, Zimbabwe, Sudan and Tibet;

shares the Government's consistent and complete opposition to the practice of so-called ‘extraordinary rendition' and notes the commitment in the programme for Government to ‘ensure that all relevant legal instruments are used so that the practice of extraordinary rendition does not occur in this State in any form'; welcomes the creation of a Cabinet committee on aspects of international human rights to expedite the programme for Government commitments on extraordinary rendition; and welcomes the commitment of the new United States Administration to review US policy in this regard; and

welcomes the Government's strong and continuing commitment, both domestically and internationally, to the protection and enforcement of human rights.''

I welcome the Minister of State to the House and welcome the opportunity for a debate on the issue of human rights and the protection of human rights on both the domestic and international fronts. However, I also wish to put forward a counter-discussion in this regard and to acknowledge and reinforce the Government's strong and continuing commitment, both domestically and internationally, to the protection and enforcement of human rights. While I acknowledge the points raised in respect of the Equality Authority and the Human Rights Commission, I also respect the point that the decision on the expenditure for 2009 was made having regard to the need for substantial savings. The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform has stated many times that his main priority in the justice sphere will be to tackle crime and, therefore, funding must reflect that priority. The announcement to integrate the administration and office facilities of the Equality Authority and the Human Rights Commission made good sense and will go a long way towards reducing costs. Further savings will be realised by the completion of the transfer of staff to Roscrea.

Both bodies have been asked to reduce spending on consultants, advertising and promotional activities. The practice of publishing reports in glossy formats must cease and will result in significant savings and better efficiencies. I do not doubt this will be all that will be expected. It will be good because there was much loose money and abuses of spending. I will have no difficulty with this measure.

Not in the Equality Authority. The Senator should provide facts and figures.

Senator Ormonde without interruption.

I welcome the 15% increase in the provision for the Equality Tribunal to adjudicate on individual claims and to tackle the backlog of cases. We endorse the core function of the Irish Human Rights Commission, IHRC, which is to scrutinise legislation that affects human rights. Likewise, the Equality Authority will continue to be an independent voice in order to eliminate discrimination and to promote equality. I hope this will be the Government's commitment. When the Minister of State contributes, I do not doubt he will endorse my sentiment. I would not want it any other way.

Every Senator will wholeheartedly support Ireland's stand on human rights internationally, but I cannot accept the terms used in the motion, namely, that we have abandoned the people of Tibet. It is not true.

We have. What have we done?

Senator Ormonde without interruption.

The Government continues to monitor closely all issues regarding human rights in China, including the situation in Tibet. These issues are raised regularly through bilateral contacts with the Chinese Government and in concert with our EU partners. Issues for discussion are those of special importance to the people of Tibet, including freedom of expression and the preservation of culture and religion.

The Government is aware of events in the Israeli and Palestinian territories. The rights of both sides must be respected. During the Minister of State's last visit, he raised with the Israeli authorities the issues of settlement with the Palestinians and restrictions on movement. Senator Norris has acknowledged the Minister of State's ongoing and open-ended good work in this regard. We are all watching the situation carefully. Zimbabwe and Sudan have seen human rights violations and intimidation. The Government is engaged in dialogue with their embassies, authorities and officials to try to highlight human rights abuses.

As has been made clear many times, including in the House, the Government is opposed to the practice of extraordinary rendition. The policy has not changed. The programme for Government contains a number of commitments on which action is already being taken and that will be carried forward by last October's establishment of a Cabinet committee on aspects of international human rights. With a view to strengthening legislative provisions, as necessary, the committee is to review the statutory powers currently available to the civil and police authorities to search and inspect aircraft in the context of the State's obligations under the Chicago convention. As has been often stated, the Garda has full powers of search and inspection where it has reasonable grounds for suspicion. In keeping with the programme for Government and in light of international developments, this is an opportune time to confirm that the legislation is as effective as it can be.

As requested by the committee, the embassy in Washington made early contact with the transition team of the new US Administration to seek a clear statement of intent that extraordinary rendition would cease and would not resume during the new President's term of office.

It is called shutting the stable door.

On 22 January, President Obama signed three executive orders concerning a number of issues under the committee's remit, including an order on ensuring lawful interrogations, which provides that all persons detained following armed conflicts shall, in all circumstances, be treated humanely and shall not be subjected to violence or outrages to personal dignity. A task force to evaluate the policy of transferring individuals to third countries to ensure that it complies with all obligations has been also established by President Obama. We will monitor its progress. I welcome the new Administration's commitment to review and examine US policy on these issues and will continue to follow developments closely.

In opposing Senator Norris's motion, the Government is honouring its national and international commitment to the protection and enforcement of human rights. I have tabled the counter-motion to this effect.

I commend the motion so ably and passionately proposed by Senator Norris, as it is necessary. I also commend him on using a Private Members' motion to raise concerns about human rights and the decimation of a number of agencies that deal with them and equality.

In December 1948, the United Nations adopted one of the most profound documents in the history of humanity, namely, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 1 sums up human rights simply by stating:

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

The principle of inalienable human rights runs through many constitutions and declarations worldwide. The European convention on human rights, to which Ireland and other countries are signatories, enshrines fundamental rights such as the right to life, the prohibition of torture, the banning of slavery and forced labour, rules on lawful detention, the right to a fair trial, a right to privacy, freedom of conscience, religion and association and the prohibition on discrimination. Signing up is one matter, but adhering to those principles is another.

Abolishing pointless quangos and amalgamating others is all very well, but the only ones that seem to have been targeted are those that dared to stand up to the Government, as mentioned by Senator O'Toole. The Government has strangled the Combat Poverty Agency, savaged the Equality Authority to the point of being effectively unworkable and tried to silence the IHRC by slashing its budget. These are the facts.

My party has criticised these decisions because the Government has not used the cutbacks to get efficiencies, but to silence criticism and to send a message to other groups, namely, that they will be left alone if they do not cause it trouble, but that they will be crucified, like the organisations to which I have referred, if they stand up and point out that the Government is wrong. It was cynical, dishonest, reprehensible and wrong to do so.

Fine Gael tabled motion No. 32 on the Order Paper to address this matter. We are prepared to back fully the motion proposed by Senator Norris and seconded by Senator O'Toole.

Fine Gael regularly stresses the importance of ethics and the rule of law in foreign policy. During the recent war in Gaza we called for independent verification of all claims by all sides and that all breaches of international law and human rights obligations by Israel or Hamas be prosecuted.

Once a trade deal includes human rights protocols they must be followed and monitored. Human rights should never be sacrificed for trade. Fine Gael places strong emphasis on the rule of international law. There must be no running away from human rights. Trade is crucial but lives are sacrosanct and human rights are central.

Fine Gael always has and always will oppose extraordinary rendition. We understand the sense of fear that existed after the terrorist attacks on 9 September 2001 in the United States but to use the words President Obama addressed to his fellow citizens at his recent inauguration, "As for our common defence we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals". We hope that the election of President Obama means an end to rendition and that a new foreign policy, radically different from some of the appalling policies of President Bush, will be pursued.

Anything that compromises the fundamental principles of human rights in a society is a defeat for that society. Human rights are neither optional nor negotiable. We in Fine Gael do not accept the abandonment of the rights of the people of Tibet purely for economic gain, nor do we accept the denial of human rights to the peoples of Israel and Palestine. That does not mean we do not have contact with the governments of these people or that we must not have trade with them but we must at all times keep diplomatic channels open. Contracts on trade must never mean silence on human rights. I agree with Senator O'Toole that when we go on diplomatic visits to countries such as China we should not be afraid to voice our opinions and our concerns about human rights in Tibet and other nations. We should be prepared to speak and people will respect us for our principles. Conscience must never be sold for 30 pieces of silver or any other currency.

I strongly agree with the principle of this motion that this House call upon the Government to strongly and publicly affirm its commitment to human rights and to the individual exercise of those rights domestically and internationally. Principle belongs in politics and there is no more fundamental principle than the commitment to human rights. For this reason my party fully supports the motion proposed by Senator Norris. I refer to our similar motion No. 32 on the Order Paper which we may move at a later date if we do not see any progress on the issues raised here this evening.

I thank the Senators, particularly the Independent Senators, for their contributions. As usual they were incisive, constructive and extremely well informed on the important issue of human rights for which Ireland has an international reputation.

The Independent Senators have put down a motion on a series of human rights, equality and poverty issues of mixed ministerial and departmental policy responsibility. There are several foreign policy aspects which are the policy responsibility of the Department of Foreign Affairs which I am happy to address in the absence of the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Micheál Martin, who is on an official visit to the Middle East and Gulf region this week. Such a visit affords the Minister the opportunity to raise and discuss some of the international human rights issues which are the subject of this evening's motion here.

There are several domestic issues contained in the motion for which the Department of Foreign Affairs has no policy role. Some, including the Equality Authority, the Irish Human Rights Commission and the National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism, NCCRI, are the responsibility of my colleagues the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy Dermot Ahern and the Minister for Social and Family Affairs, Deputy Mary Hanafin, who has policy responsibility for the Combat Poverty Agency.

The Government side regrets the overly and unfairly negative tone of the original motion and some of the comments of the Senators in their statements to this Chamber today.

The Minister of State was great to know the comments before we uttered them.

We have tabled a counter-motion which sets out the Government's approach to the issues raised.

I propose to address the various points which are the subject of today's counter-motion, moved by Senator Ann Ormonde, in the order in which they appear in the motion.

The Minister for Social and Family Affairs said that the Government's decision to integrate the Combat Poverty Agency and the office for social inclusion within the Department of Social and Family Affairs was informed by a review of the Combat Poverty Agency, undertaken on foot of a Government decision on 6 June 2007.

The review noted that the office for social inclusion and the Combat Poverty Agency had similar agendas and functions and highlighted the advantages of bringing them together. The legislative provision to give effect to this change is contained in the Social Welfare (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2008. It is not the intention of the Minister for Social and Family Affairs that the Combat Poverty Agency will simply be absorbed into the office for social inclusion in its existing form. A new, strengthened division will be created that will make the best use of the considerable experience and expertise of the staff of both existing bodies and will seek to provide a stronger voice for those affected by poverty and social inclusion issues.

The Minister advises that the new division will provide a unified institutional structure to support Government, officials and the wider community in addressing issues of poverty and social exclusion. It will play a central role in co-ordinating the ongoing development and implementation of the national action plan for social inclusion in collaboration with the senior officials group on social inclusion, Departments, local authorities and agencies. Key functions will include policy advice, research, data availability, communications, poverty impact assessment and the strengthening of social inclusion strategies.

Consultation and collaboration with the social partners, including the community and voluntary pillar, will be a major part of the process. The Minister has asked the new division to prioritise the development of procedures to ensure that the views of these and other stakeholders, including people experiencing poverty, continue to be available to Government in developing and monitoring social inclusion strategies.

The Minister asked that I emphasise that the Department of Social and Family Affairs is working closely with the board and staff of the Combat Poverty Agency in completing the necessary arrangements for the smooth integration of the Combat Poverty Agency and the office for social inclusion. A detailed implementation plan, which has been developed with the expert input of the staff of both bodies, is in place. It is envisaged that the key strands of the integration process will be substantially finalised by the beginning of July.

Senators Bacik, Norris and O'Toole have raised several domestic human rights and equality issues today and in the past on several motions which have come before this House. My colleague, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy Dermot Ahern, asked me to say that the context in which financial provisions have been made by the Government for the National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism, NCCRI, the Irish Human Rights Commission and the Equality Authority were outlined in the budget statement on 14 October last. That context is the wholly exceptional circumstances in which decisions on spending for 2009 have been made, having regard to the need for substantial savings. Not alone were decisions made following the budget which was announced before Christmas, but also following the further deterioration of the public finances and the further Government decision in the past 24 hours.

The Government announced, as part of the budget measures, that funding to the NCCRI would cease and its functions would be absorbed into the office of the Minister of State responsible for integration, and be administered directly that office. The NCCRI has received funding from the justice Vote over the past decade and has done valuable work in combating racism and promoting diversity. However, in light of the great increase in immigration to Ireland, the Government decided to appoint a Minister of State at the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform with special responsibility for integration policy. The Minister informs me that the establishment of the office of the Minister of State responsible for integration and the new arrangements outlined in the policy statement, Migration Nation, mean that he must review the purpose of existing expenditure, and he believes it was appropriate to cease this funding and absorb the functions of NCCRI into the office of the Minister of State responsible for integration.

The Government recognises that the reduced budgets will cause some difficulties for the Human Rights Commission and the Equality Authority. However, it is satisfied that sufficient funding has been provided to the bodies to enable them to discharge their core activities in 2009. The Minister rejects as completely false and misleading suggestions that the Equality Authority has been rendered unworkable, or destroyed, as has been stated. He has said that these are suggestions with which the majority of the board of the authority do not agree. The authority has stated that it can work within its budget for 2009, primarily by reducing overheads, and that it can maintain programme expenditure at the level it originally proposed in December 2008. In particular, the provision for non-pay expenditure on legal advice and representation shows no change. The provision for research shows a slight increase. There is no change in the original plan for equality mainstreaming.

Contrary to what is being alleged, the Minister contends that the authority is maintaining its core activities and this will be achieved by a dedicated use of the skills and talents of the staff of the authority, combined with a significant reduction in the extraordinary reliance heretofore on external consultants to carry out authority functions. The Government believes that significant efficiencies and savings can be realised by both bodies sharing office facilities. Other areas where savings can be made are likely to include shared information technology and telecommunications facilities.

The 2009 provision for the Equality Tribunal, which adjudicates on individual claims of inequality, has been increased by 15% to reflect the priority that should be given to people who have a grievance in this respect. The social partnership agreement, Towards 2016, set as a priority in the equality sphere the elimination of the backlog of cases at the tribunal. The allocation of resources in the 2009 Estimates reflects that priority. The Government is keenly aware of the difficulties facing the marginalised and vulnerable in society. For this reason, the 2009 Estimates for the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform maintain funding for disability and civil legal aid close to what it was in 2008.

The Government is committed to the principles of equality and the elimination of discrimination, as enunciated in the equality legislation passed by the Oireachtas. The Minister commends the work of the Equality Authority and the Human Rights Commission and states his commitment to seeing a secure and viable future for that agency. This Government and its immediate predecessors promoted the principal Equality Acts and Human Rights Acts and established the Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission. The Government will continue to earmark substantial taxpayer resources to the Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission to allow them to carry out their core functions as per the legislation. When national finances permit, the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform will also ensure the budgets of the Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission are appropriately increased.

The Government is committed to helping all our citizens in these difficult times. The Minister has informed me that departmental officials are having ongoing meetings with both the Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission to ensure they can effectively manage their 2009 budgets.

I emphasise our strong commitment to the full range of international human rights issues. Ireland has a very strong record on pursuing human rights concerns at an international level. With regard to the issues specifically raised in the motion, respect for human rights lies at the very heart of the Government's policy on the occupied Palestinian territories. We have based our responses firmly on the principle that both Israelis and Palestinians have the same rights to peace, security, freedom and development, and that the rights of one side do not negate those of the other.

The human rights provisions of the EU's association agreement with Israel have provided a mechanism — as they do with other countries — for us to raise human rights cases directly with the Israeli Government. Ireland has consistently worked at EU level for robust engagement on these issues. Ireland took a leading role on this issue, especially since 28 December. The Minister for Foreign Affairs took a leading role in Council meetings to highlight the plight of those who are disadvantaged in Gaza and in the occupied Palestinian territories. The Minister and I collaborated in providing an additional €500,000 to UNRWA, which is the primary delivery body in that area and is at the forefront of the humanitarian response there. We are one of the biggest donors to that body and we will not be found wanting once the needs assessment on reconstruction is completed in the coming weeks and months. In response to the concerns of human rights groups, we have successfully argued for the establishment of a full human rights sub-committee under the agreement.

The Government has also acted in support of human rights on the ground. Through the human rights and democratisation programme of Irish Aid, the Government funds a number of human rights non-governmental organisations in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. Our embassy in Tel Aviv and the representative office in Ramallah have been very active in working with NGOs, assisting individuals, making representations to Israeli and Palestinian authorities, reporting on human rights issues, and helping human rights defenders move in and out of Gaza and the West Bank.

The Government remains committed to helping the Burmese people in their struggle for justice, democracy and development. In pursuit of this goal, the Government has engaged in diplomatic activity with Burma’s neighbours and in international fora, and it has provided support to groups working to promote democracy, human rights and development for the people of Burma. This House has been very active in supporting the humanitarian relief in the aftermath of Cyclone Nargis, which devastated the Irrawaddy Delta in the south of the country and which left up to 140,000 people dead within weeks of the disaster. The figures put into context some of the other international disasters, be they man-made or natural.

At the end of January, the Department of Foreign Affairs funded a visit to Ireland by the democratically elected members of the Burmese Parliamentary Union and the members of the National Coalition Government of the Union of Burma to enable them to hold their fourth congress and consultation meeting here. The purpose of the meeting was to plan future strategy, to seek to advance national reconciliation and union within Burma and to garner the support of the international community so the process of democratisation in Burma can be furthered. I am delighted we have been able to support their work in this way.

Having listened carefully to Senator Norris's comments on Tibet, I recognise his ongoing commitment to the area. The Government shares that commitment and remains deeply concerned about the situation in Tibet, which remains extremely tense following the disturbing events there in March of last year and in the run-up to the Olympic Games in Beijing. The Chinese authorities have been engaging in a security operation in the Tibetan capital over recent weeks. They have run checks on almost 6,000 people and detained 81 of them. The Department of Foreign Affairs, at ministerial and official level, maintains close contact with the Chinese authorities regarding Tibet. It also supports efforts at EU level. I can respond to Senator O'Toole's constructive contribution by assuring him that Ireland is using its contacts to underline the importance it attaches to human rights and emphasise the right to freedom of expression and peaceful protest. Dialogue between the Chinese authorities and the Dalai Lama, or his representatives, remains the most effective way of protecting Tibetan culture, identity, religion and human rights, and securing some measure of autonomy for Tibet within China. The unsatisfactory pace and substance of the dialogue process needs to be accelerated and upgraded, however. Ireland has consistently outlined its strong concerns about human rights issues in number of countries, including Zimbabwe and the Darfur region of Sudan.

I confirm the Government's total opposition to the practice of extraordinary rendition, which all Members of the House have raised during this debate. Not only is it illegal in this country, it is also contrary to our constitutional provisions on personal freedom and our international human rights commitments. The US authorities were made aware of the Government's position as soon as the first allegations regarding this practice emerged. It is crucial to reiterate that none of the various investigations into allegations of extraordinary rendition has revealed any evidence, or even a specific allegation, that any person has on any occasion been subject to extraordinary rendition through Ireland. The Government has received uniquely clear and categorical assurances from the US that no extraordinary rendition has taken place through Ireland. Those assurances have been confirmed repeatedly on the US side.

The programme for Government contains a number of commitments on which action is already being taken by the responsible Departments. The programme states that the Government will "ensure that all relevant legal instruments are used so that the practice of extraordinary rendition does not occur in this State in any form". The House will be aware that a Cabinet sub-committee on aspects of international human rights was established last autumn. As part of its remit, the sub-committee has reviewed the programme for Government commitment in which this country's total opposition to extraordinary rendition is outlined. Following a decision that was made by the Cabinet sub-committee, the Irish embassy in Washington made early contact with the transition team of the new Obama Administration to seek a clear statement of intent that extraordinary rendition will cease and not resume during the new President's term of office, that the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay will be closed at the earliest opportunity and that intensive interrogation techniques such as water boarding, which are internationally considered to constitute torture, will be clearly prohibited.

On 22 January last, the new US President, Mr. Obama, signed three executive orders which address these issues. The first order requires the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility as soon as practicable and within a year at the latest. I warmly welcome this move for which Ireland has been calling for several years. A second presidential executive order, which will ensure all interrogations are lawful, provides that all people detained following armed conflicts will be treated humanely in all circumstances and will not be subjected to violence or outrages to personal dignity. The US President, Mr. Obama, has established a task force, one of the functions of which will be to evaluate the policy of transferring individuals to third countries to ensure it complies with all obligations and is sufficient to ensure all individuals will not face torture and cruel treatment if transferred. I assure Senator Norris that the Government will convey its strong support for the steps taken to date by the Obama Administration in its future contacts with that Administration at political and official level. We will continue to follow developments in this area carefully.

I assure all Senators that the Government will maintain its strong commitment to the protection and enforcement of human rights, domestically and internationally. It will continue to meet its national and international obligations in this regard. I commend the motion, as amended, to the House.

I believe the Minister of State is commending the amendment.

I made that clear in my presentation. I commend the amended motion to the House.

I welcome the Minister of State to the House. I thank Senators Bacik, Norris and O'Toole for proposing this motion. In times of crisis such as that we are currently experiencing, it is easy to retreat into narrow and confined self-interest. During such times, priorities change quickly, previously held beliefs are diluted and core principles are often relegated to fringe concerns. We all know we are facing an extended period of economic contraction. A new set of priorities is needed if we are to face our new challenges. That will involve sacrifice and compromise. We must not let our difficulties and challenges serve as a smokescreen for moral cowardice. While the scale of the financial crisis in this country is unprecedented, it does not provide political cover for a fire sale of our values. It is too easy to argue that everything has a price and that nothing is sacred. It is important to send a message that our culture of philanthropy, promotion of common decency and commitment to human rights is not for sale at any price.

Nationally, the past 15 years have seen considerable advances in the promotion and development of human rights across a range of sectors. Today and previously in this House, Senators have expressed concern that these advances are under attack from the Government. My party shares these concerns. On a personal level, I am deeply concerned that the debacle surrounding the dilution of the power of the Equality Authority — I refer in particular to the resignation of its chief executive, Mr. Niall Crowley, and other members of its board — has set a disturbing precedent for how the Government intends to proceed. It is beyond doubt that this episode was politically motivated. The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform and other members of the Government continue to insult our intelligence by denying this is what happened. We should call it what it is — an insult.

Like the first Freedom of Information Act, the Equality Authority has been a victim of its own success. It went about its business in a forceful manner. It rattled many cages by doing what it was supposed to do. The Government opted to strip the Equality Authority of the resources it needed to carry out its work. That should not come as a surprise to us because the Government frequently regards dissent as an unfortunate by-product of democracy. The dissemination of lies, spin and misinformation to discredit Mr. Crowley and his fellow board members as they tried to conduct the authority's work was unedifying in the extreme.

I commend certain people in the media and the community on exposing the Government's cynical, calculated and disgraceful campaign.

Many Senators spoke about international human rights issues in Tibet, Burma and elsewhere. I ask the Minister of State to try to put some pressure on the EU to deal with the situation in north-east Sri Lanka. Approximately 250,000 people have been sealed into an enclave, in effect, by the Sri Lankan authorities. No journalists are being allowed into the region. I am concerned about what is going on in the enclave. We are all aware of how we missed the boat, to a large degree, when ethnic cleansing was occurring in places such as Rwanda. Pressure needs to be imposed at European and international level to ensure the Sri Lankan Government is in no doubt that it will be brought to account by an international court if it carries out any crimes during its current campaigns.

I would like to speak about the rights of prisoners. Like the Minister of State, I was glad to hear about the commitment given by the US President, Mr. Obama, to close the Guantanamo Bay detention centre. I refer to a report on prison conditions that was published last year. It states:

[C]onditions were cramped with two prisoners being accommodated in cells of 8 sq. m. The pervasive smell from the use of chamber pots in each other's presence compounded these deficiencies. ... The delegation [to the prison] came across three prisoners ... sleeping on a mattress on the floor; at the time of the visit, food had been served without the chamber pots having been emptied and the air in the cell was rank and humid.

That report was written, not about a Cuban prison 3,000 miles from here, but about a prison three miles from here, Mountjoy Prison, a few streets away from where Senator Norris lives.

It was written by the Committee for the Prevention of Torture. According to it, our prisons are unsafe for both inmates and employers. They are overcrowded, have poor hygiene and a culture of violence. Coupled with that, the closure of hospitals that served people with a mental illness throughout the country has resulted in an increase in mentally ill people being placed in jail, a totally inappropriate course of action for people who should be afforded real health care in line with their illnesses. How can we expect any level of rehabilitation if we continue to place prisoners and mentally ill people in such conditions? I note the Minister of State warmly welcomed the move to close the detention facility at Guantanamo. I am glad to note that but, with respect, he needs to give us a clear picture as to his intentions regarding penal reform in this country.

I would like to make a few remarks on our international commitments to the support and development of human rights on an international level and in regard to the fundamental right to life and the fundamental right to food. I was extremely disappointed by the Government's intention to reduce the overseas aid budget by €100 million. The establishment of Irish Aid and the commitment of successive Governments to the delivery of development aid has been a hugely commendable reflection of our global priorities. When the Minister of State spoke on this issue in the other House, he said that tonight 1 billion people will go to their beds hungry and that for every person in Ireland there are 250 people worldwide who will not have enough food to eat today. Yet the aid budget will be cut at a higher level than the cut in any other budget. I have seen at first hand the benefits of the aid programme, as has the Minister of State and I acknowledge his commitment to this area. The benefits we get in terms of health, education and betterment of civil governance is money well spent and expenditure of which we as a nation can be extremely proud.

The proposed scale of this cutback is worrying. It will send entirely the wrong message to the international community. Other donors could simply say the Irish are cutting their aid programme and that they can do the same. The end result is that the Third World will lose out. What kind of example are we showing?

I ask the Minister to reconsider this proposed cut? Senator Ormonde, who is present and other Senators, including Senators Boyle and Ó Murchú, on the Government side of the House, have credibility on this issue and are committed to overseas aid. I ask the Minister of State to reconsider what is proposed here. The cut proposed is too great. I ask the Minister of State to reflect on this and to reconsider if the proposed cut can be reduced.

I commend the Senators who brought forward this motion for debate tonight. We are facing into a period where only hard decisions will ensure our safe passage through this mess. However, it is important to point out that sometimes hard decisions involve retention rather than abolition. We should keep at least a tentative eye on the kind of nation we want to be when we emerge from this crisis. A populist race to the bottom is in nobody's interest. Our commitment to the promotion and development of human rights should not be a fair weather pursuit at home or abroad.

A problem I have with this evening's compendium Private Members' motion tabled by the Independent Members of the House is that seven items are directly referred to in it but, with only eight minutes in my time slot, it is difficult to divide my time accordingly. However, I will make a valiant attempt to do so.

I am on record in this House as having expressed concern and unhappiness about decisions relating to the many issues covered in this motion. In the nature of politics and Government, one makes one's case and accepts decisions that are arrived at collectively. I will respond to many of the points raised in the motion.

My first point is that an impression has been created that the only decisions relating to rights-based agencies have been those that have affected decisions to amalgamate or cut the number of State agencies. The largest such amalgamation proposed in events last year was the move to have greater co-ordination between the National Consumer Agency and the Competition Authority, each of which is a large organisation in its own right and each of which has an individual budget. That move was the most telling of Government decisions in that regard.

Nevertheless, the type of thinking that prevailed then and continues to prevail in the system was that concerning the Equality Authority and the Human Rights Commission. Arguments were made as to whether one body should be in existence in place of both. Arguments were raised against that idea and instead of a new single entity, it was decided that the budgets of both, in terms of public expenditure that exists now, would be cut.

In the case of the Equality Authority that has led to the subsequent resignation of its chief executive officer and five members of its board, both actions are to be regretted because the Equality Authority has done and will continue to do excellent work in this regard. In announcing the resignations of both the directors and the chief executive, concern about the authority being able to operate within a severely restricted budget, of at least one third in terms of cuts, was publicly announced by all concerned. The gap between how the Equality Authority can operate effectively and how it is being allowed to operate is something that can be and is still being addressed.

In having a continuing two-organisation policy towards the Equality Authority and Human Rights Commissions, it was considered that one area of savings could be made in terms of a shared secretariat. I have said in this House on many occasions in the past that the idea of a shared secretariat is undermined by attempts to move most of the operations of the Equality Authority to Roscrea, some 80 miles away. The resignation of the CEO and the board members is leading to ongoing consideration of this policy element. I am convinced that decisions can be and will be made in this regard.

In regard to the National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism, the programme for Government introduced, at the suggestion of the Green Party as one of the negotiators, an office of a Minister of State with responsibility for integration. It was considered in the new climate prevailing that some bodies have a natural life and can be operated in a different format. As one who is chair of a migrant organisation in Cork, I believe this can be applied to the National Committee on Racism and Interculturalism. It has served a purpose and done its work well but it could not be seen as an institution that would have an ongoing life for ever and ever. There are times such decisions need to be made about State bodies.

The point concerning the monitoring of human rights protocols attached to the external trade agreement between Israel and the EU is probably one on which I would agree with Senator Norris, but it must be acknowledged that the Irish Government's position in criticising the recent appalling behaviour of the Israeli Government and demanding international action was among the best in the European Union.

I certainly agree with that.

We cannot be churlish about that.

The point concerning the abandonment of the people of Tibet in the interests of trade is an issue on which I share many of Senator Norris's concerns. At the time of the Olympic Games last year there was an international impetus to force the Chinese Government to engage in negotiations with representatives of Tibet, but how sincere they are and how that process is progressing is something about which we can ask legitimate questions. My party leader made a few remarks at our party convention that upset the Chinese ambassador at the time.

That was a good thing too.

I am not afraid of using platforms like that to remind people of human rights obligations. It was also fair, even though he digressed slightly from the motion before us, that the Minister of State spoke about our having a policy in regard to stateless people here and how we support them. The example of Burma was excellent. I had the privilege of being the only Member of either House of the Oireachtas to attend a gathering in Iveagh House when the National League for Democracy representatives were being hosted by the Irish Government which allowed them to hold their fourth convention, which examined the idea of a new Burmese constitution and how and when democracy can be firmly established in that country. We can be very proud of the role that Ireland is playing there.

In regard to the historic collaboration with the Bush Administration in the rendition programme, I am not sure whether "collaboration" is the correct word or whether the outgoing President of the United States is a person one would wish to be seen collaborating with in any case. The reality is that the foreign policies of that Administration have been widely discredited. The commitment to having a firm position on rendition was a key component of the programme for Government. On an individual basis, I was pleased to have negotiated this issue into that document. Yes, it took some time to put that into practice but the reality is that we can be sure that any attempt to do so would have been treated with disdain by the previous Administration. The right opportunity was taken at the right time to coalesce the interests of the Government in respect of its attitude to rendition and the existence of detention facilities such as that at Guantanamo Bay with those of the changed regime in the United States. That was the correct approach and we will reap rewards for it in the future.

I wish to respond to Senator Hannigan's points regarding overseas development aid. I heard the Minister speak on this issue in the other House earlier today. Yes, it is unfortunate that a decision of this nature has been made. However, most of the money being saved through the cutbacks is money that would have been saved in any case. As I calculate it, the effective cut is in the region of €30 million to €35 million. Although this is unfortunate, I am convinced, in terms of our per capita contribution and our commitment to reach our target by 2012, this target remains as steadfast a Government policy as it has been. It is certainly the case that we remain on track to advance our target of 0.7% of GDP well ahead of the agreed European Union target of 2015. As and when we achieve that, we can take pride as a nation.

I propose to share time with Senators McFadden and Fitzgerald.

Is that agreed? Agreed.

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Peter Power. He has done a good job as apologist for the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, Deputy Dermot Ahern, in regard to the disproportionate cutbacks in the budgets of the Human Rights Commission and the Equality Authority and the elimination of the Combat Poverty Agency. The Minister of State's speech suggests that fundamental human rights are an issue of concern only to those in faraway places and not to the citizens of this State. The reality, however, is that these bodies are concerned with respect for human rights in this country. The cutbacks have neutered those bodies and reduced if not eliminated their effectiveness. This is clear from the resignation of the former chief executive officer, Mr. Niall Crowley, and several members of the board of the Equality Authority.

It has been suggested that the budget of the Equality Authority increased from €378,000 in its first year of operation to €5.8 million before the budget cutbacks. The reality, as Mr. Crowley pointed out in his interview with The Irish Times in January, is that the figure of €378,000 related to the cost of setting up the authority and that its operational budget in 2000, its first year of operation, was €3.8 million. Now the budget is reduced to €3.3 million, representing a draconian cut in its operating budget.

It is clear that the bodies targeted in these cutbacks, particularly the Equality Authority, have raised fundamental issues that have irritated and annoyed the Government. They are paying the price for that now. The measures adopted are nasty, vindictive and short-sighted. Moreover, they bring the State into disrepute. The United Nations has made known its views in regard to the functioning of the Human Rights Commission and the need for it to be sufficiently resourced. The Minister has ignored that warning.

In his statement, the Minister of State, Deputy Peter Power, speaking for the Minister, Deputy Dermot Ahern, said the Government recognises that their reduced budgets will cause "some difficulties" for the Human Rights Commission and Equality Authority but that there are ongoing discussions between departmental officials and representatives of those bodies. In light of the draconian cuts involved, this is of little use to them. The decision has been made and the Government is determined to eliminate the irritants that have raised issues regarding Government policy, whether in respect of discrimination based on age, rendition or otherwise.

The Minister of State has raised the issue of the European Union association agreement with Israel, stating that it provides a mechanism to raise human rights concerns. I appreciate that the Government has raised its concerns with the Israeli authorities regarding the recent invasion of Gaza. However, I do not see any sustained and consistent policy from the Government on this issue. It is insufficient to raise it once and leave it at that. It is incumbent on the Government, in light of our own experience, to make a sustained effort to change European policy in this regard.

In regard to children's mental health, a frightening recent statistic indicates that 83% of children in a particular detention centre face an average of three forms of mental health difficulty, for which none of them is receiving dedicated treatment. In 2006, €11.2 million was allocated to mental health services for children but this provision was subsequently deferred to another area in the large black hole that is funding for the Health Service Executive. It is clear that children's rights are being denied. Last week in Athlone, a judge was obliged to remand a young person with an intellectually disability to a detention centre because there was nowhere else to place him. This is an absolute scandal. I ask the Minister of State to review this area without delay.

In north-east Sri Lanka, the Government there is dropping cluster bombs on its own citizens. This is an outrage. The Norwegian Foreign Affairs Minister drew attention recently to the slaughter of 66 civilians in three days in the region, with more than 200 others being wounded. We also learned that the intensive care unit of a hospital was bombed, which is illegal under Article 18 of the fourth Geneva Convention. Yet the international community seems to be turning a blind eye to what is happening. I ask the Minister of State to do what he can to highlight this serious issue.

I congratulate Senators Norris, O'Toole and Bacik for tabling this motion. There is a similar motion on the Order Paper from the Fine Gael Party which the Minister of State may care to examine. I note his remark that there is an overt and unfair negative tone to the motion. However, in light of the decisions taken by the Government in regard to the Combat Poverty Agency and the Equality Authority, this negative tone is not surprising. The actions taken are extraordinarily undermining of our human rights legacy and the attempts to build a strong human rights base in this State.

These bodies arose from legislation passed in this House, itself arising from our international and European Union obligations. The past ten years have seen a slow building up of structures to support human rights in the State. It has been a difficult battle. It is easy to forget that it is not so many years since there were heated arguments arising from the attempt to put employment equality and human rights legislation on the Statute Book and to facilitate the establishment of bodies such as the Equality Authority and the Equality Tribunal. It has taken a long time to build up the skills, expertise and information they have, especially staff expertise. The steps taken by the Government have brought disruption to that expertise. In the case of the Combat Poverty Agency, the Government effectively abolished that independent voice. Unfortunately, that is typical of this Government which seems to have reached a point where it is extremely concerned about independent voices. It has got so used to the partnership model that when people speak independently and offer a critique, which is a critical part of an independent democratic society, the Government intervenes and undermines them. Never was this so blatant as in the case of these two organisations.

The Government has given a commitment to working with the agencies. I would like to see that developed in the coming weeks and months but I regret very much the actions taken with regard to these bodies. They are a retrograde step for the country and for democracy.

I wish to share my time with Senator Callely.

Is that agreed? Agreed. Is that four minutes for each speaker?

Yes.

I welcome the Minister of State to the House and agree with what he said. The role that the Combat Poverty Agency is to play now will be central in co-ordinating the ongoing development and implementation of the national action plan for social inclusion. Funding has ceased for the National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism, NCCRI, and its function will be absorbed. It seems entirely appropriate that the office of the Minister of State with responsibility for integration should look after that function. Regarding the Equality Authority, the suggestion was made that the majority of its board do not agree with the statements in the motion. The authority has said it can work within its budget for 2009, primarily by reducing overheads, and it can maintain a programme for expenditure at the level originally proposed in December 2008.

As Members of the Oireachtas, we get a great deal of literature from many different agencies in tomes that are very fancy and very expensive. Very few are read from cover to cover. They would be just as useful in the library instead of costing €20 per copy. I notice even lighthouse keepers have their own volume. There cannot be too many of those left and yet we regularly get information from that group. I wonder at the benefit of sending out a big information booklet in full colour, at such cost. Costs must be looked at very seriously in many places from which we get our information. We all have e-mail. In most cases, a summary is all we need. If we require further information we know where to find it — in the library. We must watch our costs. We are in a much changed situation and it would do the Government and the country good to ensure we watch all costs, see what waste there is and get rid of it.

There is a proposal in the motion regarding the external trade agreement between Israel and the EU and, in that respect, I advocate the monitoring of the attached human rights protocols. It would be very much in order if the EU were to do a deal, not only with Israel but with the West Bank and Gaza, the Palestinian territories, to ensure all those areas would be included in external trade agreements. It is an ideal opportunity to ensure that both sides maintain a proper neighbourly relationship in a manner that is acceptable to the rest of the world. This is a chance for us to ensure that, arising from this wonderful opportunity of trading with the EU at a preferential level, such trade would continue as long as certain criteria were being met by both sides. If any country trades with another, even one with a comparative or an absolute advantage, over time both countries' levels of income will rise. Everybody benefits from trade. We are giving Israel a wonderful opportunity and I suggest it should be extended to Gaza and the West Bank and used to make sure both sides comply with proper neighbourhood country relations.

I thank Senator Norris. I also propose looking at the situation with China. China is viewed by many countries as a country to which to turn as a last resort. The Sudans, Zimbabwes and Burmas of this world look to China now and I suggest that may be another area to examine within the Department of Foreign Affairs. China should be discouraged from taking on board these countries and providing any support for them. Some are definitely rogue countries and have acted in a manner that is totally unacceptable.

With regard to rendition, no Member of this House has at any stage been in favour of, or has agreed to, anything that in any way affects human rights anywhere in the world.

I thank my good friend and colleague, Senator John Hanafin, for sharing his time. I congratulate my Independent Seanad colleagues for tabling the Private Members' motion before the House.

My good friend, Senator Hanafin, has adequately dealt with the first part of the motion, concerning the Combat Poverty Agency. The strengthening of the Combat Poverty Agency is to be welcomed.

It would be wonderful if that were true.

It would add an independent voice.

It would be a miracle.

One speaker, please.

It is being strengthened. There is no disruption to the Equality Authority nor any downsizing of the Irish Human Rights Commission.

That aspect of the motion is simply incorrect. I congratulate Senator Hanafin and Senator Ormonde, who already responded on these points.

I support the view that Ireland has a very important role to play. We must express our voice in world affairs, especially in matters relating to human rights. Small nations such as ours can, and do, make an important and valuable contribution in advancing the protection of human rights. Our neutrality places Ireland in a very special position around the globe. It is widely recognised and respected and enables us to play a full, measured and constructive role in the volatile modern world. Our Government, ambassadors, diplomats and NGOs carry out critically important work both in individual cases and in support of wider human rights issues.

Senator Hanafin referred to "rogue" areas. It is clear that large areas of the Middle East, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Tibet, Burma and Palestine are corrupt. There is no fair or impartial administration of justice or of political systems. There is no civilised level of human rights and, in certain instances, blatant abuses and deteriorating humanitarian situations exist.

I congratulate the Minister of State, Deputy Peter Power, on the work he has done in the Department and I congratulate, equally, our colleague, the Minister, Deputy Micheál Martin, the team in the Department and those working with the Department, on their work to date in actively raising Ireland's concerns on a number of fronts. In the Middle East Ireland has been to the fore in ensuring that the EU conveys its serious concerns about human rights protection to both the Israeli and the Palestinian authorities. The Minister visited the region and directly raised matters of concern on human rights, access for defenders of human rights and compliance with international human rights law, among other matters.

Ireland has consistently called for genuine power-sharing government in Zimbabwe and for the strengthening of sanctions against supporters of the Mugabe regime who are involved in violence or human rights abuses. At the United Nations Human Rights Council we have been an advocate on the human rights situation in Darfur and Sudan and we have emphasised the importance of dialogue between the Chinese government and the representatives of the Dalai Lama——

The Senator's time is up.

——as the best means to address and resolve the practice of religion, freedom of expression and preservation of cultural identity in Tibet. I am sorry my time has run out because I have only another few words to say, but I will leave it at that.

May I give the last minute of my time to Senator Doherty? I welcome the Minister to the House. It gives me great pleasure to support Senator Norris's motion. It is a very important time for us to debate the Government's commitment to human rights. We have all acknowledged we face a deeply difficult economic period, but at a time like this we need to renew our commitment to human rights and ensure it is not undermined. The most vulnerable are being targeted disproportionately by the Government's economic package through imposing levies on even the lowest paid in the public service. We need to remind ourselves of the need to ensure a commitment to equality, human rights and social justice throughout Government policy at national and international levels. Senator Norris's motion powerfully reminds us of the many ways we need to ensure a commitment to human rights, nationally and internationally. He has brought a wide range of issues into the motion, which I do not hope to cover in detail, but I will pick out a small number of them.

The Government's amendment to this motion is disingenuous and misrepresents the reality of the cuts that have been imposed on different national bodies and on our overseas aid budget, which were announced yesterday and which undermine the stated or professed commitment to equality. There is a theme running through the Government's amendment and the words of the Minister and those on the other side of the House tonight, namely, rhetoric as opposed to reality. I welcome the very powerful pro-human rights rhetoric from the other side and the Minister, and it is very important. The problem arises where the reality does not match that rhetoric and we see swingeing cutbacks imposed on overseas aid budgets, the Equality Authority and the Irish Human Rights Commission, etc. We must then ask ourselves whether the rhetoric has any substance in reality.

There was an extraordinary use of language by some Senators on the other side, who spoke of the strengthening of the human rights institutions of this country, at a time when their budgets have been cut and the chief executive of the Equality Authority has had to resign because he says his authority can no longer function. It is extraordinary to listen to those on the Government side suggesting that equality and human rights measures and institutions have been strengthened in some way.

We must bear in mind the language used here.

I want to speak about the Equality Authority in more detail. Saturday's Irish Times carried a very powerful letter by the seven saoithe of Aosdána, among them Louis le Brocquy, Seamus Heaney, Brian Friel and Camille Souter. They expressed grave concern at the position of the Equality Authority following the recent resignation of its director, Niall Crowley, and the subsequent resignation of several board members. In their letter the saoithe, who speak with a voice of moral authority, asked the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, to restore adequate funding to the Equality Authority as a matter of urgency. I support their call.

The resignation of Mr. Crowley, a well-respected chief executive who had developed for his authority an international reputation for its commitment to implementing equality legislation, was on principled grounds because the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform cut his budget by a staggering 43%, a disproportionate cut compared to those imposed on the other agencies of the Department. The authority had also been singled out in the decentralisation programme, with its move to unsuitable and inaccessible offices outside Roscrea continuing even when the programme had been abandoned for other State agencies. The Department has offered no satisfactory explanation for this extraordinarily hostile approach to the Equality Authority. This is not this Minister of State's direct responsibility but I ask him to take the comments and concerns expressed by many of us on this side about the treatment of the Equality Authority to the Minister. The only conclusion one can come to is that there was some particular reason for singling out the Equality Authority. It could not have been simply due to financial constraints, as suggested in the Government's amendment and in Ministers' speeches here and elsewhere.

Other explanations have been suggested. Elsewhere I have written that it seemed to me a quiet coup was orchestrated against the Equality Authority, or perhaps better described as a "GUBU" coup, in the words of the late Conor Cruise O'Brien. The sequence of events leading up to the cut to the Equality Authority and Mr. Crowley's consequent resignation was grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre and unprecedented. There was the appointment in September 2007 of an entirely new set of board members headed by Ms Angela Kerins, who is also chair of the National Disability Authority and chief executive of Rehab. Senator Norris has already spoken about her position and I do not want to labour the point. Following that complete change of board personnel one can see in retrospect that the writing was on the wall. The board's reaction to Mr. Crowley's resignation was rather restrained, to say the least.

The credibility of the authority and its continued efficacy as an agency is in question. Not only will this have consequences for people in Ireland suffering discrimination, it will have consequences for the Government at EU level. There will be negative legal consequences for us in the European Union if equality directives are not seen to be adequately implemented because there is a lack of a credible and strong voice for the disadvantaged in supporting people making claims of discrimination. That is a serious matter for the Government to deal with.

I turn to the treatment of the National Consultative Committee on Racism and Interculturalism, NCCRI, which has been effectively abolished. It is a difficult and dangerous time to undermine a body that has been so effective in tackling racism and has worked so hard in educating and informing us about racism and anti-discrimination measures. When we see in Britain a very disturbing rise in demonstrations against so-called foreign workers being employed, one can see that in an economic downturn new, immigrant communities tend to be targeted by those who feel their jobs are under threat. That is a real worry for us and shows the need to ensure continued commitment to tackling racial discrimination. The Minister said the office of the Minister of State with responsibility for integration will carry out the same programme. I have my doubts about whether the Minister can be as effective as the NCCRI had been, given its wide remit and the very experienced personnel it had. We are losing the experience and expertise of those personnel, all of whom effectively have been sacked, just as we are losing that of so many people on the equality legislation side with the downgrading of the Equality Authority. It seems such a waste.

On so many other issues, the Middle East, prisoners' rights etc. we need to see a match of reality with rhetoric. I ask the Minister to do that.

I thank Senator Bacik for sharing her time. My party and I fully support the motion and I commend the Senators on putting it down. In recent times, under the cover of recession, the Government has systematically dismantled the human rights infrastructure of the State. In the case of the bodies whose finances are directly under its control it is doing this through crippling cuts. In the case of human rights NGOs it is using the Charities Bill to eliminate the progression of human rights as an objective for the purpose of registering as a charity. This means important public interest cases will not be brought before the courts. It means more people who are by definition vulnerable because their fundamental rights have been compromised will have to fight their fights alone, if at all.

We have heard about the Equality Authority's budget being cut by 43%. The recession is being used as an excuse to attack the Irish Human Rights Commission and to dismantle the human rights and equality architecture. This fact is also evidenced in the budget cuts to the Free Legal Advice Centres, 5%; the National Women's Council of Ireland, 5%; equality proofing, 30%; the new Cosc office to address domestic, sexual and gender-based violence, 18%; equality monitoring, 8%; gender mainstreaming and positive action for women, 45%; the Office of the Data Protection Commissioner, 9%; and the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission, 5%.

The Senator's time is up.

I want to clarify a point because Senator Hanafin said no person in these Houses supports rendition. That is incorrect. I will prove to this House that the previous Minister for Transport called for rendition flights to be brought to Donegal.

The Senator's time is up. My hands are tied with the rules of the House.

I rise to address some of the issues, particularly the human rights protocol attached to the external trade agreements, raised by the independent Senators. The Israeli Ambassador came before the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs, where he received quite a questioning. The same week, a motion by Fianna Fáil Deputies was put before the Joint Committee on European Scrutiny in which we asked that the EU be forced to put this on the agenda. We have asked that the UN Secretary General carry out a report. We should take the issue away from the EU, which obviously has a vested interest, and let the UN Secretary General make a determination. However, we are alone in the wilderness; there are few supporting us. The big nations in Europe stand idly by on this issue, which is worrying. Nonetheless, it is worthwhile to pursue it.

Senator Bacik and I congratulated Fianna Fáil on the record for that.

I thank the Senator for that, but it was the Minister, Deputy Martin, along with others. It was Fianna Fáil TDs who put forward that motion.

The Labour Party Deputies also put forward a motion but, amazingly, the Fine Gael Members could not see their way to supporting us on that issue.

What is the Senator's point?

The Senator without interruption.

My point is that Senator Regan was in here going on about us and our external trade agreement, yet when all Members had the opportunity to support our motion at the Joint Committee on European Scrutiny, it was our party, along with Sinn Féin, the Independents and the Labour Party, that supported it. Now we are being lectured by others who do not seem to connect with their own party, because it was their members who would not support our motion, or the Labour Party motion either, as far as I can remember, and chose to stand idly by. A lot of good they would be to the people in the West Bank and Gaza.

Who has the funding?

Lack of funding?

Who has the funding?

The Senator without interruption.

The Senator is provoking me, a Chathaoirligh.

It does not take much to go off and ask the UN Secretary General to compile a report. We asked for action. We were accused of not taking action, but we asked for action. We were not supported by all but we were supported by many. We will take that support and go on. We have been lectured by the Opposition, but I will send the transcripts to Senator Regan to let him know his party is not quite as cohesive as he thinks.

I have been to the Holy Land, where the situation is disturbing. We have called on the US to intervene but, as Members can appreciate, the US has enough problems of its own, a lot of them of its own creation in Iraq and Afghanistan, so I do not think we can ask it to intervene here. It is spending billions a day. We must look to Europe. In reality, it is a long way from the US. The EU has chosen to do nothing, as it did in the Balkans, and we looked to the US to step in. Senator Hanafin made a great contribution with his suggestion about trade. Ultimately, money talks. Senator Norris will correct me if I am wrong, but 85% of Israel's produce——

I thank the Senator. A total of 75% of its produce comes to the EU. If we threaten that, as we did with South Africa, things may change. During the time of apartheid, the UK and the US stood idly by, but eventually things can change. The process takes a long time, however. It is not a matter of a triumphal entry into Baghdad and saying "mission accomplished", as some would have it, but it is far more effective — fewer people die. I commend the Minister and I thank the Opposition Senators and Deputies for their support on this issue. Obviously the Israelis are not happy; however, this is not about making people happy but saving people's lives.

Unfortunately, the issue of Sri Lanka, which is not in this motion, has gone off the radar because of the headlines from Gaza. The Sri Lankan Government has attacked what it declared were safe areas for civilians and imprisoned civilians. The Minister might take up this issue. A ceasefire would save lives. I hope Senator Norris and others will assist in this regard.

Ireland has a small army, which we have sent to Darfur, the Lebanon and other places, but ultimately it is trade which will result in a better outcome in the Holy Land. I fear for what will happen in the immediate future. I do not think the Israelis have the political will for change. I said in the House before that it was the most amazing piece of electioneering to start a war to get support before a general election. It has been done before, but the Israelis seem to have used this tactic in the case of the attacks on Gaza, to the detriment of the Palestinians. The Iranians are also playing their part in destabilising the region. They are waging a proxy war through Hamas, also to the detriment of the Palestinians, and the EU is, of course, standing idly by. The best we could hope for from the USA would be neutrality on the side of the Israelis, but unfortunately it is not even committing to that much. It is not going to be neutral. Americans have too many other things on their plate. Because of this, we must rely on ourselves to put on the pressure.

When the Israeli Ambassador appeared before the Joint Committee on Foreign Affairs, I mentioned a quote from the Old Testament. We were talking about proportionality in the attacks on Gaza. Members should know that Israel will attack again because, unfortunately, Hamas will get more rockets from Iran and fire them at the Israelis, and the Israelis will go back in. The quote from the Old Testament was, "But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty, life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound and bruise for bruise." The response to that, of course, is that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. The Israeli Ambassador, when we asked him about the use of phosphorus shells, did not answer the Chairman, Deputy Woods, but when I asked him to answer the question he eventually admitted that there were phosphorus elements in the shells. Phosphorus shells are only permitted to be used in open battlefields, not in urban areas such as Gaza. This is a breach of the Geneva Convention and many other conventions. We should pursue Israel on this but, unfortunately, it does not seem that our gallant allies in Europe will assist us. If we have to forge ahead alone we will do so.

I thank all my colleagues who took part in this debate, which was extremely useful. It was a good debate on all sides, including that of the Minister of State, with whom I do not agree — I will say a few words about that later. This is precisely why I entered politics. As an Independent, non-Government Member I have the luxury of applying the litmus test of principle to Government actions. I know it is not always possible for the Government to act in a completely principled way; government is of its nature pragmatic from time to time. That is why it is important to have gadflies such as myself and others in the House to point out what the principle is and from where it is being diverged.

I thank my colleagues in Fine Gael for their strong support, particularly their spokesman Senator Cummins, but also all the other Senators who spoke, including Senators McFadden and Regan. It was, as I said, an extremely good debate. I am glad that Fine Gael also has another strong and amplified motion in the same area, which covers other aspects of the matter. It is interesting to note that the debate has revealed a left-right divide in my own ranks of Independents. I was supported by Senators O'Toole and Bacik; my colleagues Senators Ross, Mullen and Quinn declined to either sign the motion or support me this evening. That is a useful development, in my opinion. I wish there was more of it in Irish politics. I like the idea of a left-right divide and I am happy to place myself firmly on the left, even if that makes my supporters this evening in Fine Gael feel a little uncomfortable.

That is excellent. They have joined the socialists with Deputy Bertie Ahern.

I was also interested to note that this motion was taken by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. Of the two principal Departments dealing with this area, the Department of Foreign Affairs has the better record. I am not surprised the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform flunked it, which is what it did. The truth is rather unpleasant, particularly in that area, and the record is not patchy. It is disgraceful. Instead of fostering a human rights culture, the Government has destroyed the substance of the organisations we named by leaving them a vestigial presence in order to save face. On the surface we can say we have a Human Rights Commission, an Equality Authority, and so on, but they exist in such a reduced form that they are incapable of fulfilling their mandate. That is a shocking indictment of the Government. However, there is remarkable talent in the present Government, including the Minister of State who is present. He is able to prophesy because he anticipated what would be said before it was said. In the printed copy of his speech he regrets some of the comments of Senators in their statements. He can only have done that by divine wisdom.

With regard to some of the comments that have been made, at the instigation of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, about the majority of people on the board, what is the majority? The Government had to buy four votes. It is quite an astonishing performance. I am aware from talking to them that some board members remained on the board only because they are so deeply suspicious of this Government they think it would welcome the opportunity to abolish the board entirely. That is the type of climate with which we are dealing. Then there is this ludicrous idea of shared IT and so forth. It reminds me of the slogan from some years ago — "Save water, shower with a friend." It is at that level; it is complete bloody nonsense, and we all know it. There is also the issue of rented space. Who rented the space? It was rented by Government agencies, not the Equality Authority. There is a black mark for that.

I am aware we have done a fair amount with regard to Israel, but we did not push sufficiently on the external trade association agreement. Senator Daly is correct that 75% of Israel's agricultural produce is imported into the European Union. The European Union could have switched the war off in five minutes, if it had threatened that. There was an excellent suggestion from Senator Hanafin to include the Palestinians. I have been to the area and have listened to the bilge from the Israeli ambassador. He claims the Israelis left the Palestinians a few greenhouses, but they have strangled the exports from Gaza. I have been there and seen, as I am sure Senator Daly has, mounds of rotting vegetables. The Israelis will not let one strawberry out.

I must pay tribute to John Ging of UNRWA, an Irishman of whom we can be immensely proud. I am glad the Government is in contact with him. He does all of us proud. The situation there is appalling. People who suffered, Jewish people, have done this, the sheer bureaucratic efficiency and mechanistic denial of all humanity. According to a surgeon:

The amount of damage done by these weapons [the DIME weapons] is not commensurate to the wounds. We found computer chips, magnetic pieces and transistors in wounds. Sometimes there are only minute pin-point punctures to the abdomen and chest, but you see huge damage to internal organs. One patient had his liver burned black, as if it had been grilled.

The surgeon was quoted in an article by Lara Marlowe in The Irish Times last Saturday.

Finally, I have information that in Tibet at present the authorities are trying to force the Tibetan people, who decided to cancel forthcoming religious celebrations, to celebrate them. It is similar to trying to force us to celebrate Christmas if a decision had been made by the religious authorities to suspend it out of solidarity with some disaster that had occurred. People in Tibet are being killed. I wish to mention in particular Pema Tsepak, a 24 year old man from Punda Town in Dzogang County, Chando Prefecture, who was murdered in custody because he protested on behalf of the independence of Tibet.

I had intended to walk out of the 1919 Dáil commemoration because I was horrified that the wonderful inspiring words of the founding members of our democratic system about equality and human rights were being read by people who are part of an Administration that is dismantling them. It was suggested, however, that if I did so, it would simply concentrate attention on my action and would be seen as a gimmick. Tonight, in the Seanad, I was allowed to raise these issues in a proper way and to listen to the contributions of the Minister and my colleagues on all sides of the House. It has been a proud day for the Seanad. This is the reason I am in politics, and I thank you, a Chathaoirligh, and my colleagues for it.

Amendment put.
The Seanad divided: Tá, 26; Níl, 16.

  • Boyle, Dan.
  • Brady, Martin.
  • Butler, Larry.
  • Callanan, Peter.
  • Callely, Ivor.
  • Carty, John.
  • Cassidy, Donie.
  • Corrigan, Maria.
  • Daly, Mark.
  • de Búrca, Déirdre.
  • Ellis, John.
  • Feeney, Geraldine.
  • Hanafin, John.
  • Keaveney, Cecilia.
  • Leyden, Terry.
  • MacSharry, Marc.
  • Ó Domhnaill, Brian.
  • Ó Murchú, Labhrás.
  • O’Brien, Francis.
  • O’Donovan, Denis.
  • O’Malley, Fiona.
  • O’Sullivan, Ned.
  • Ormonde, Ann.
  • Phelan, Kieran.
  • Walsh, Jim.
  • Wilson, Diarmuid.

Níl

  • Bacik, Ivana.
  • Bradford, Paul.
  • Burke, Paddy.
  • Coffey, Paudie.
  • Coghlan, Paul.
  • Cummins, Maurice.
  • Doherty, Pearse.
  • Donohoe, Paschal.
  • Fitzgerald, Frances.
  • Hannigan, Dominic.
  • Healy Eames, Fidelma.
  • McFadden, Nicky.
  • Norris, David.
  • O’Reilly, Joe.
  • Regan, Eugene.
  • Twomey, Liam.
Tellers: Tá, Senators Labhrás Ó Murchú and Diarmuid Wilson; Níl, Senators Ivana Bacik and David Norris.
Amendment declared carried.
Motion, as amended, put and declared carried.

When is it proposed to sit again?

Ag 10.30 maidin amárach.

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