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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 23 May 2012

Vol. 215 No. 11

Passenger Name Records: Motion

I move:

That Seanad Éireann approves the exercise by the State of the option or discretion under Protocol No. 21 on the position of the United Kingdom and Ireland in respect of the area of freedom, security and justice annexed to the Treaty on European Union and to the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, to accept the following proposed measure:

the Council Decision on the conclusion of the Agreement between the United States of America and the European Union on the use and transfer of Passenger Name Records to the United States Department of Homeland Security,

a copy of which was laid before Seanad Éireann on 6th December, 2011.

This motion will enable Ireland to participate in the agreement between the European Union and the United States on the use and transfer of passenger name records, PNR, to the United States Department of Homeland Security which has recently been adopted by the Council of Ministers. I propose that Ireland exercise the option provided by Article 4 of Protocol No. 21 to the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union to accept a measure after it has been adopted by the Council. The prior approval of both Houses of the Oireachtas is required to enable Ireland to exercise this option.

The agreement to which the motion refers replaces the current EU-US PNR agreement which has been in operation since 2007. That agreement has been renegotiated in order to address concerns raised about proportionality, data protection and data security aspects. A new agreement was signed in December 2011 to cover the ongoing use and transfer of PNR data to the US authorities. The European Parliament considered the agreement in detail and approved its terms on 19 April. The agreement was then concluded by the Council of Justice and Home Affairs Ministers at its meeting on 26 April.

PNR data amount to information on passengers' travel plans collected and held by air carriers as part of their reservation systems. The agreement will require airlines to provide a portion of the information they already collect for the US authorities for the purposes of combating terrorism and serious transnational crime. PNR data are a tool of proven value to law enforcement services in counter-terrorism and serious crime investigations, particularly in cases of trafficking of drugs and persons. A number of countries, including the United Kingdom, Canada, Sweden, Spain, the United States and Australia, have been using PNR data for these purposes for some years.

PNR data have been of benefit in investigations in a number of significant transnational, organised crime cases involving drug smuggling or the trafficking of human beings. They can be an essential support in investigating and prosecuting those who would prey on and profit from the misery of others. Such data were instrumental in the prosecution and conviction of David Headley in respect of his involvement in facilitating the atrocious terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India, in November 2008, in which 164 innocent people lost their lives. By entering details of his first name, a partial travel itinerary and a possible travel window in the PNR database, David Headley's full name, address and passport number were obtained. He was subsequently arrested and pleaded guilty to terrorism-related charges.

While this measure is an important support in the fight against terrorism and serious crime, I am very conscious of the need to ensure the rights of citizens are not subject to unnecessary or disproportionate intrusion. It is important to strike an appropriate balance, especially in the protection of personal data, and the agreement does just that. Although the time constraints dictate that I cannot provide a full description of all of the provisions contained in the agreement, I inform the House that a very full and detailed debate on this proposal took place at a meeting of the Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality last week.

The agreement contains a number of specific safeguards in respect of the use of PNR data. In particular, the processing of this data is strictly limited to the purpose of preventing, detecting, investigating and prosecuting terrorism offences and serious transnational crimes. The passenger name record, PNR, data will be retained by the US authorities for up to five years in an active database with restrictions on access. After the first six months the PNR data will be depersonalised, that is to say, fields that could identify an individual will be masked out. After the initial five-year period, the depersonalised data are transferred to an inactive database with additional access restrictions. In the case of terrorist offences and related crimes the data may then be retained for up to a further ten years, that is to say, for a total of 15 years overall. In the case of serious, transnational crimes the data can then be retained for up to a further five years, that is to say, for a total of ten years overall.

The agreement contains specific, tailored safeguards in respect of privacy, data protection, data security, oversight, accountability, transparency, rights of access to information, the correction of errors and redress. Senators should note that under the terms of the agreement an individual will have the right to access his or her own data, to have incorrect data corrected and the right to redress for a violation of his or her rights under the agreement. The agreement provides that the administrative and legal safeguards which are in place in the US for privacy and data protection are available to all individuals, regardless of nationality, country of origin or place of residence. The agreement also provides for regular, joint review of its operation by the European Union and US authorities and for a joint evaluation of the agreement four years after its entry into force. The agreement will remain in force for seven years.

The proposal is one of several measures being taken at EU level in the justice and home affairs field which arise from commitments set out in the 2009 Stockholm programme. The Government is determined that Ireland will have a full, active and constructive engagement in bringing forward the European justice agenda. Given the potential value of PNR data in investigations into drug smuggling, human trafficking or international terrorism and the importance of giving a clear demonstration of our continued support and solidarity with the international community in the fight against these activities, I recommend Ireland's participation in this measure. I hope I will have the Seanad's support in this regard.

I welcome the Minister to the House. The party to which I am affiliated supports this particular measure, by and large. I have only two questions for the Minister. How does this conform or conflict with our data protection legislation? I realise we are providing this facility to the United States. I would appreciate if the Minister could respond to the query, if necessary later, if he has the time.

I refer to a not totally unrelated matter. What is the position with regard to Asian travellers coming to Ireland and the Schengen Agreement? Why are we not affiliated so that people coming from China, India and others countries can come directly? I understand most European countries are affiliated to the Schengen Agreement but we are not. Perhaps it is about time we examined the matter. It may not be the appropriate time today but it is related to travel matters and is a matter of interest.

I welcome the Minister to the House and I welcome the introduction of this necessary legislation. If we lived in a perfect world, the Minister would not be here to make the announcement he has just made. If we lived in a perfect world, international disputes would be resolved by ballot rather than bullet. Democracy rather than dictatorship would reign throughout the world and we would not have the international worldwide terrorism problem that has plagued us for generations. That is the backdrop. Unfortunately, due to the conditions throughout the globe in respect of international terrorism, drug trafficking and the trafficking of human persons, this type of order is necessary. The Minister has given the appropriate assurances which indicate clearly that people who are not out to do harm should have no difficulty with this order and have nothing to fear from it. I am satisfied with the Minister's assurance in respect of the possibility of checking individual records and correcting them where mistakes have been made. That is an important safeguard.

Unfortunately, we have no option but to agree with the Minister in respect of the necessity for this measure to be introduced. We have heard of near misses in respect of airline attacks in recent weeks and we know only too well what has occurred during the past decade or so. We must continue the international fight against terrorism. A broad range of measures are necessary, including political as well as security measures. We must put the human rights aspect at the core. Tragically, as we speak, throughout the globe people are plotting to kill, maim, bomb, blow up airlines and kill citizens. We must continue to try to apprehend these people by every possible measure. This is a small step in that direction. It is modest but necessary and I fully support it.

I do not believe this would have arisen only I spotted it going through. There are too many of these instruments going through without debate and I am pleased I forced a debate on it although it is only a small one. The Minister's speech is a recital of what he has said previously. He stated the data would be depersonalised and fields that could identify an individual would be masked and so on. I imagine the Minister has heard of Quantico. These data can be recovered and what the Minister has stated in this regard is rubbish. Let us be open and honest for a change about the kind of information being exchanged with the Department of Homeland Security.

It is interesting to note the technique of the Government side is exactly the same as for the fiscal treaty, that is to say, to frighten people. First, it involves telling them that it is the same, that nothing has changed and that it is only incarnating what has been in place already, while second, it involves terrifying them. These data will be given about everyone. They include passenger names, addresses, credit card details, seat numbers and, in exceptional circumstances, sensitive data such as a passenger's ethnic origin, religious beliefs, physical or mental health or sexual orientation. What justification is there for that?

I note my good friend Senator Bradford mentioned the war on terror. That was one of Mr. Bush's phrases. We are giving all of this back to one of Mr. Bush's organs which is certainly implicated in torture. I am referring to the Department of Homeland Security as well as the CIA. I note one phrase used was "alleged torture". There was nothing alleged about it. If anyone in the House, including the Minister, believes being half-drowned by waterboarding is not torture then they should consult the international authorities on the subject.

A university study has been published of this new version of the protocol and attacks it for excessively long retention periods, a lack of protections and few improvements over earlier agreements. The European Commission's lawyers warned against it. The terms of the agreement are controversial and have been since the beginning. They have been the subject of adverse opinion issued by the European Data Protection Supervisor. Not only that, the Dutch MEP, Sophie in't Veld, the chair of the relevant committee, and her committee have opposed it. One reason was proportionality. No one wants to see innocent passengers blown up. I do not believe the other side of the House or the Minister would suggest that people such as I, who have human rights reservations, would want them blown up.

I call for an explanation of why people's religious beliefs or sexual orientation should be exchanged. When the lawyers asked about this and were given a response by the European Parliament, they were against it. Why? The relevant committee was against it and the European Data Protection Supervisor was against it. The agreement will result in the transfer of this information to a deeply suspect body. How would the people in the Visitors Gallery feel if details of their religious persuasions or beliefs, their credit card balances, their bank balances or information on their sexual orientation and other private information was transferred to one of Mr. Bush's organisations? No, thank you. I will be calling a vote and I am glad I spotted it.

I welcome the Minister. I also welcome the opportunity to debate the motion which was not going to be forced through.

It was going through without debate until I raised the matter.

It had been referred to the Joint Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality, which is the normal procedure. We had a full debate at the committee, in which I participated, and I am delighted that we are having a further debate in the House. The committee scrutinised the motion closely and, as the Minister will recall, I raised two issues with him. This is about ensuring a balance is struck between the right of citizens to travel freely without fear of harm or terrorist attack and their right not to experience undue interference with their privacy while travelling. The disclosure and exchange of information by airlines are the key issues. I raised two issues to ensure the appropriate balance was struck. I asked the Minister whether he was satisfied there would be sufficient oversight and a review of the exchange of data to ensure the balance was maintained. I received a good and fair response on the regular review provided for in the framework decision by the EU and US authorities, which was reassuring.

My second question related to a query raised by Senator David Norris. It would be relatively rare in the exchange of passenger name records to disclose sensitive data. The Senator referred to the exchange of these data and disclosing somebody's religious beliefs or ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

How is that a threat to the United States?

It is hard to see how this detail would be routinely disclosed during an exchange of passenger name records.

The Council decision contains specific additional safeguards for the exchange of such data. Will the Minister set them out? The issue of concern is that personal sensitive information, rather than just one's name and address, could be disclosed.

A useful briefing document was made available before the justice committee met. It would probably be useful if it was made available to Members. It set out clearly the history of the negotiations on the agreement between the European Union and the United States and addressed the concerns raised in the European Parliament, to which Senator David Norris referred. This decision will need to be kept under careful review to ensure there are no undue intrusions into people's privacy and a balance is struck between the need for security, on the one hand, and the right to privacy, on the other.

I welcome the Minister and support the motion. While it is welcome that Senator David Norris sought a debate on it and it is a good idea to debate such motions in the House, as Senator Ivana Bacik said, the motion was referred to the justice committee. I was present when the Minister arrived, although I was unable to participate in the debate.

It is strange that people like to invoke what happened during the Bush era as a stick with which to beat the agreement. If President Bush was still in power, we would be told this was all about a government trying to spread fear in the world. However, we are in the Obama era——

He has ordered ten times the number of drones President Bush did.

——and he sees fit to continue the agreement. That says something about the rhetoric sometimes employed in these debates.

The bottom line is that we live in a dangerous world and a test of reasonableness, a key principle, must apply. There are issues surrounding the collection and retention of data about people, but I am comforted by the detail of the agreement. First, people will have the right to access their data and have incorrect data corrected. They will also have a right to redress for a violation of their rights under the agreement. This right does not only apply to individuals in the United States but to all individuals, regardless of nationality or country of origin.

The second key issue is the possibility of regular joint reviews. That is how one deals with difficult scenarios when there is an incursion into people's rights. However, for the sake of the greater good, one must try to ensure injustices are prevented as far as possible, rectified as soon as possible and that the entire system is reviewed to ensure it is working well and not being misused. We are aware of how people who wish to behave in an evil way, whether they are terrorists or other criminals, are always acquiring new knowledge, strategies, skills and technologies; as such, it would be folly of governments, acting on an initial positive instinct to protect human rights which is essential, to tie their hands in an unreasonable and unnecessary way and, thereby, plunge people into unnecessary danger. That is what the motion is about. It is important that we are reasonable and proportionate and take the safeguards built in into account.

I also welcome the Minister. I agree with Senator David Norris that it is appalling that we have only been given 20 minutes to discuss this important motion.

That is the consequence of the Order of Business having been drawn out.

That the motion was discussed by the justice committee does not matter. Many motions are discussed by Oireachtas committees, but they are referred back to the House for proper debate and scrutiny. This is the forum in which we should have such debates. The PNR data proposal marks the commencement of a broader scheme of PNR data collection, retention and assessment for regulation at EU level. It makes people subject to "extensive tracking, tracing and screening". The previous speaker mentioned a test of reasonableness. For this process to have credibility, the Minister and those who support the agreement must show it is proportionate and necessary. I do not believe it is. It is intrusive, particularly in the manner described by Senator David Norris. The war on terror has again been used as a reason to introduce these rules. "The war on terror" is a broad, sweeping expression. It resulted in a number of illegal wars perpetrated by the very people who are seeking this information. They were responsible for a number of illegal wars, rendition flights and torture. This proposal is not necessary or appropriate. We should safeguard people's rights and entitlements. The proposal contravenes the Constitution, Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, as well as Articles 7 and 52 of the European Charter of Fundamental Rights. It flies in the face of many rights established at European level and domestically. I am not convinced by the reasoning given by the Minister that this is necessary. I agree with Senator David Norris that the type of information being passed on has no bearing whatsoever on what Senator Paul Bradford said the information would be used for. I fail to understand why such information would have a bearing on it.

I thank all the Senators who contributed to the debate, particularly those who support the agreement. This is a simple arrangement to ensure full co-operation between the European Union and the United States in tackling international crime and terrorism. A basic human right of every individual is to be able to fly on an aeroplane that has not been turned into a flying bomb pointed at a location in the United States, resulting in the deaths of hundreds or thousands of people. It is a basic human right to be able to walk down the street where one lives and not to be shot at or blown up by terrorists. It is also a basic human right to be able to travel safely and not to become a victim of human trafficking.

What has sexual orientation got to do with it?

The Minister to continue, without interruption.

I find Senator David Norris's level of hysteria about the agreement extraordinary. There is nothing secretive about it. We had a detailed examination of it and an informed discussion at the justice committee.

I do not believe I was being hysterical. I think the Minister should withdraw that remark. It is the usual slur that people like him use against——

The Minister to continue, without interruption.

Senator David Norris is unnecessarily excitable today. Perhaps he might contain himself. If he had a major interest in this matter, he was free, like every Member of the House, to attend the meeting of the joint committee at which we teased out the agreement in great detail. Every question that could have been asked was asked and every response given.

I can only conclude from the Senator's contribution that he has not read the agreement in full. His imagination seems to have run riot as to its implications.

The Minister specialises in slurs. He made the same accusations at the committee meeting.

Senator Norris clearly does not understand the history of the agreement, which was given substantial examination by European justice ministers and within the European Parliament. The form of the agreement that is before the House is the text as agreed by the Parliament and by the European Council in its justice configuration. The report to which the Senator referred was rejected by the European Parliament's Libor ROUCEK group. In fact, he is relying on a report which the majority of Members of the European Parliament did not accept.

The agreement includes a substantial range of provisions necessary to protect the rights of those who travel. It puts in place an important co-operative architecture between the European Union and the United States which will be to the benefit of tens of millions of people in both jurisdictions. The Senator seems to consider it an esoteric or theoretical provision. I have already mentioned the example of its use in the case of David Headley. Another instance of the use of passenger name records is the case of FaisalShahzad, who attempted a car bombing in Times Square in New York in May 2010. The FBI, in co-ordination with the Department of Homeland Security, learned of his identity from a mobile telephone number recorded in his PNR data. Based on the PNR match, the Department of Homeland Security's travel lookouts alerted law enforcement to his attempted outbound flight. He confessed and was sentenced to life imprisonment on 21 June 2010.

I understand that happened before this agreement was devised.

PNR data was also used to good effect in apprehending Najibullah Zazi, an al-Qaeda operative who planned to detonate improvised explosive devices on New York city's subway system. The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI used PNR data to cross-reference the names of Zazi's co-travellers against open counter-terrorism cases inside the United States, resulting in the discovery that the co-travellers were travelling to Pakistani terrorist training camps. Zazi was arrested in September 2009 and the information from his PNR records was used in his questioning and indictment. He pleaded guilty in February 2010.

The unfortunate reality is that we live in a world where the threat of terrorism based on the activities of Islamic fundamentalists is substantial.

As is the threat from states.

If the Senator wishes to be blind to that reality, it is his choice. As a member of this Government, however, I cannot be blind to it. It is in the interests of Europe and the United States that this agreement is implemented and in the interests of this State that we be party to it. I apologise to Members to whom I have not had time to respond. I will be happy to accommodate any Senator who would like a copy of the more detailed material on this matter, which documentation, incidentally, was available to every Member who attended the meeting of the joint committee.

Question put.
The Seanad divided: Tá, 35 5; Níl, 5.

  • Bacik, Ivana.
  • Bradford, Paul.
  • Brennan, Terry.
  • Burke, Colm.
  • Clune, Deirdre.
  • Coghlan, Paul.
  • Comiskey, Michael.
  • Conway, Martin.
  • D’Arcy, Jim.
  • D’Arcy, Michael.
  • Daly, Mark.
  • Gilroy, John.
  • Harte, Jimmy.
  • Hayden, Aideen.
  • Healy Eames, Fidelma.
  • Heffernan, James.
  • Higgins, Lorraine.
  • Keane, Cáit.
  • Kelly, John.
  • Leyden, Terry.
  • Moloney, Marie.
  • Moran, Mary.
  • Mulcahy, Tony.
  • Mullen, Rónán.
  • Mullins, Michael.
  • Ó Domhnaill, Brian.
  • O’Donovan, Denis.
  • O’Neill, Pat.
  • O’Sullivan, Ned.
  • Sheahan, Tom.
  • van Turnhout, Jillian.
  • Walsh, Jim.
  • Whelan, John.
  • White, Mary M.
  • Wilson, Diarmuid.

Níl

  • Crown, John.
  • Cullinane, David.
  • Norris, David.
  • Ó Clochartaigh, Trevor.
  • Zappone, Katherine.
Tellers: Tá, Senators Ivana Bacik and Paul Coghlan; Níl, Senators David Cullinane and Trevor Ó Clochartaigh.
Question declared carried.
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