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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 25 Sep 2013

Vol. 226 No. 4

Address to Seanad Éireann by Mr. David Begg

On behalf of my fellow Senators, I welcome to the House the general secretary of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, Mr. David Begg. As we remember and commemorate the 100th anniversary of the 1913 Lock-out, it is fitting and timely that ICTU's general secretary should address Seanad Éireann. The 1913 Lock-out was a seminal moment in Irish history, when the ITGWU engaged in a long dispute with the organised employers of Dublin over the right of the Dublin work force to unionise. It was a bitter struggle which saw great suffering among the striking workers and their families, with starvation forcing many back to work. Speaking at the start of 1914, union leader James Larkin said "We are beaten, we will make no bones about it; but we are not too badly beaten still to fight". The fight for organised labour did indeed continue. It would be fair to say that the legacy of the Lock-out was the eventual recognition of the rights of workers and the concept of a decent, fair and safe workplace that would provide a reasonable standard of living for workers. It is important that we remember the economic and political significance of the events of 100 years ago and the role played by unions and organised labour in the development of our State.

The history of Irish trade unions stretches back into the 19th century. The Irish Trade Union Congress, ITUC, was founded in 1894 to act as the collective voice of organised Irish labour. The Irish Congress of Trade Unions, ICTU, was formed in 1959 by the merger of the ITUC and the Congress of Irish Unions, CIU. It is the umbrella organisation to which trade unions in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland affiliate. Given the role played by the union movement in shaping our State, it is appropriate that we should look at that pivotal moment in our history, the 1913 Lock-out, and examine its impact on the course of Irish history and the Ireland of today. We are looking forward to getting the perspective that the general secretary can bring to our understanding of the events of 1913 and their relevance to modern Ireland. Unions faced challenges 100 years ago. Today, our country and the union movement face a different set of challenges. We will be interested in hearing the general secretary's assessment and evaluation of the challenges for unions and their members as the country recovers from the economic crisis.

Mr. Begg became general secretary of the ICTU in 2001. For five years before that he was chief executive officer of Concern Worldwide, an international humanitarian organisation working in 27 countries, with offices in Dublin, London, Belfast and Chicago. He has also held a number of director roles in State bodies and sits on the executive committee of the European Trade Union Confederation. As Members are aware, this Seanad is determined to modernise its procedures and actively engage with civic society. To begin this process we have changed Standing Orders to allow persons in public and civic life to address Seanad Éireann. We thank Mr. Begg for agreeing to appear before the Seanad, welcome him to the House and look forward to his presentation and a positive and enlightening discussion afterwards.

Mr. David Begg

I bring the Cathaoirleach and Members of Seanad Éireann the warmest fraternal greetings and best wishes from the 800,000 men and women affiliated to the ICTU. I thank Members for their kind invitation to address the Seanad, which is a singular honour and privilege for me. In the course of my remarks I propose, first, to review the circumstances which led to the 1913 Lock-out, the most serious industrial dispute ever in Ireland. I will then recall what happened during the Lock-out, how it ended and what happened in the aftermath. I will also consider the relevance of this seminal event for contemporary Ireland.

When the drivers and conductors of the Dublin Tramway Company abandoned their trams at 9.40 a.m. on 26 August 1913 and pinned the red hand badge of the Irish Transport and General Workers' Union, ITGWU, on their lapels, it was the culmination of five years of intense industrial and political activism. James Larkin had come to Dublin in 1907 as the representative of the British National Union of Dock Labourers, NUDL. James Connolly was still in the United States.

By the summer of 1908 Larkin's organising efforts were meeting strong resistance from employers. In July 120 dockers were locked out and the general secretary of the NUDL, James Sexton, took management of the dispute out of Larkin's hands. Undeterred, Larkin continued organising and in November staged a strike of dockers in Cork, this time with more success, achieving a considerable rise in wages. Relations with Sexton and the NUDL continued to deteriorate by virtue of the union's refusal to back Larkin's organising efforts financially. On 7 December 1908 Larkin was suspended from the NUDL and, in consequence, founded the ITGWU - the forerunner of SIPTU - in January 1909. The ITGWU grew quickly and spread throughout Ireland. It became embroiled in many epic struggles with employers for the right to organise, including a national railway strike in 1911 and involving the Wexford Foundries in 1910 and 1911. In due course Larkin was joined by James Connolly and William O'Brien.

Recognising that industrial activism alone could not adequately achieve their goals, the trio also decided to pursue parliamentary representation for workers. They saw an opportunity for a domestic Parliament with the passage of the second Home Rule Bill. At the Irish Trade Union Congress meeting in Clonmel in 1912 Connolly proposed a motion to found the Irish Labour Party and Larkin and O'Brien supported it. Notwithstanding the move into the political arena, organising activity continued such that there were 30 major industrial disputes in Dublin alone between January and August 1913. This was of such concern to the authorities that the Lord Mayor, Lorcan Sherlock, proposed a new system of conciliation to the unions and the Chamber of Commerce. In this endeavour he enjoyed the support of the Archbishop of Dublin, Dr. William Walsh, who was widely respected by both employers and unions. For a while it looked as if this initiative might bring industrial peace to the city, but it was not to be.

We are told by Padraig Yeates, author of the definitive history of the Lock-out, that the summer of 1913 was glorious, with eight weeks of almost unbroken sunny weather. Expectations for a successful Horse Show at the RDS were very high, with unprecedented numbers of visitors, causing hotels to have to turn away guests. There were rumours of possible industrial action in the Tramway Company, sufficient to move The Irish Times to warn prospective strikers that, whatever legitimate grievances they might have, they would arouse public hostility by industrial action.

Larkin and the owner of the Dublin Tramway Company, William Martin Murphy, were locked in a power struggle. To be credible as a transport union, the ITGWU needed to represent the workers in this major transport utility. Equally, Murphy was determined to keep the ITGWU out of his companies at all costs. By requiring his staff to sign a pledge not to join or remain in membership of the union on pain of dismissal, he made a strike inevitable because when he dismissed 240 people, Larkin had to respond. Murphy's trump card was to unite the employers of the Dublin Chamber of Commerce in a joint effort to break the ITGWU by locking out all who refused to renounce Larkin. It was an effective antidote to Larkin's corresponding policy of using the sympathetic strike to advance his cause and thus began the worst dispute in Irish labour history. It went on for five months from August 1913 to January 1914 and caused enormous suffering, not just to the 25,000 men involved but also to their wives and children. Welfare systems were rudimentary or non-existent and it was only the support of the Trades Union Congress, TUC, in Britain which raised £93,000 - equivalent to approximately €10 million today - to send food ships to Dublin that kept starvation at bay. I was very pleased on the national day of commemoration of the 1913 Lock-out to be able to invite Frances O'Grady, a lady with a good, Irish-sounding name, to lay a wreath at the Larkin statue on O'Connell Street.

The plight of the working class people of Dublin in 1913 was appalling from a social perspective. Over 80,000 families lived in tenements, mostly in one or two rooms. The middle class had decamped to the suburbs, leaving the working class in possession of the city's subsoil and, in the words of Padraig Yeates, "Its distinct smell complemented that of social decay and economic starvation." It was in these awful conditions that families tried to subsist on an average labouring wage of 18 shillings a week. One did not have to look far to find the causes of labour militancy in the Dublin of 1913.

Labour militancy was to exact a high price in human suffering. Within days of the commencement of the Lock-out, two men, James Nolan and John Byrne, died under the batons of the Dublin Metropolitan Police in civil unrest that had broken out in the city. On 30 August James Connolly was sentenced to three months in jail, having refused to recognise the court. The authorities banned a public meeting planned for Sackville Street - now O'Connell Street - on Sunday, 31 August, but Larkin vowed to speak anyway.

Alarmed by Connolly's and Larkin's tactics, William O'Brien and the other leaders of the trade council feared that the presence of large numbers of ITGWU members on Sackville Street would risk very serious disturbances. To avoid this, they organised an alternative event, a march to Croydon Park in Fairview. Some 10,000 members took part in the march and the event went off more or less peacefully. Larkin, however, insisted on fulfilling his promise and, accompanied by Helena Moloney, arrived in disguise at the Imperial Hotel - now Clerys - where he had pre-booked a room in the name of Donnelly. The hotel was owned by William Martin Murphy. At 1.20 p.m. he appeared on the balcony of the hotel and briefly addressed the crowd. The police immediately moved to arrest him, sparking protests to which it responded by ferociously baton charging the crowd. Within five minutes nearly 400 people had been seriously injured.

An independent witness, barrister Thomas Patton, subsequently testified to the Commission of Inquiry into this incident:

Police used their batons all the time and with great force, and, almost invariably, on the heads of people ... I should say that the demeanour of the crowd, before these charges took place, seemed to me to be quite respectable. I did not see any disturbance, or riot, or any attempt at disturbance or riot.

Needless to say, the savagery of this incident deeply embittered the strikers, but the employers were also determined on unconditional surrender. Separate attempts by bodies such as the TUC, Thomas Kettle’s industrial peace committee and the Askwith committee, as well as by enlightened employers like the draper Edward Lee, the Lord Mayor of Dublin, Mr. Lorcan Sherlock, and Archbishop Walsh, to negotiate a settlement or even an industrial truce were all rebuffed by the employers. Eventually after five months, unconditional surrender was, in effect, what they got. Larkin’s inability to convince British unions to support him by engaging in sympathetic strikes undermined his core strategy. At a special conference on 9 December 1913 the Trades Union Congress voted decisively against the call for sympathetic strikes. Railway union leaders led the charge arguing that if they acceded to this demand, it would set such a precedent that their members would never be at work. While this was an understandable viewpoint, it was the beginning of the end for Larkin. By January 1914, in the face of a united employer front and with his members and their families destitute, he had to advise them to get what terms they could for a return to work. The bitterness of this outcome can be sensed in James Connolly’s words in Forward!:

And so, we Irish workers must go down into hell, bow our backs to the lash of the slave driver, let our hearts be seared by the iron of his hatred, and instead of the sacramental wafer of brotherhood and common sacrifice, eat the dust of defeat and betrayal.

For some, of course, no terms were available. They were blacklisted by employers and, like Fitz in Strumpet City, their only choice was to join to fight in the war that began in 1914. Within three years many of them were dead, as were Connolly and others like the bricklayers’ leader Richard O’Carroll, shot like Sheehy Skeffington by Captain J. C. Bowen-Colthurst during Easter Week. Larkin had gone to America in November 1914, exhausted and suffering from depression after the trauma of the Lock-out. He was imprisoned there and, convicted of criminal syndicalism, was not to return until 23 April 1923 after his deportation by a young J. Edgar Hoover. Nevertheless, the ITGWU and the union movement proved remarkably resilient. At the end of 1913 the ITGWU had 22,935 members, compared with 24,135 in January. By 1920 it had grown to 120,000. By 1918 it was strong enough to mount a general strike against conscription.

Much of this was due to the organisational skills of William O’Brien. When Larkin eventually returned to Ireland, he found the ITGWU firmly under O’Brien’s control. Inevitably, there was a clash and Larkin lost. He went on to found the Workers’ Union of Ireland and took most of the Dublin membership of the ITGWU with him. This precipitated a long lasting divide in the labour movement of a industrial and political nature which was not healed until the Irish Congress of Trade Unions was formed in 1959, 12 years after Larkin’s death. The ITGWU and the WUI were fully reunited in 1990 with the formation of SIPTU which today has 250,000 members.

That O’Brien became so influential in the ITGWU is interesting in itself. He was not originally a member because he was a tailor by trade and a member of a craft union, although he was a key figure in the Lock-out as vice president of the Dublin Trades Council. However, he joined the ITGWU and rose quickly in influence within it, becoming treasurer by 1919. He was a great admirer of Connolly and it may be that, as Connolly became more and more preoccupied with the Citizen Army and militant nationalism, he was happy to leave the mundane task of union building to William O’Brien. In the folk memory of Irish trade unionism William O’Brien has often been presented in a much more negative light than his contemporaries, Connolly and Larkin. However, his biographer, Fr. Tom Morrissey, reassesses him as a much more rounded character of great intellect who died widely honoured but not widely liked.

The formation of the Citizen Army was a response to the type of police partiality displayed on Sackville Street on 31 August and its function was initially to protect strikers. However, it moved on from that role to play a key part in the 1916 Rising. In some respects, the role of the labour movement in these events has been under-recognised. It was a tragic paradox of the time that those who had fought in the class struggle in 1913 should end up on opposite sides a short time later. It is said one reason there was such initial hostility to the captured volunteers after the Rising was that so many veterans of 1913 were fighting in the trenches at the time.

Reflecting on what was by any standard an out and out class struggle in 1913, it is perhaps puzzling that it did not have more of an influence on the polity of the emerging Irish State. Given the contribution of these same actors to the subsequent independence struggle, it is remarkable that Mr. Kevin O’Higgins could claim in the early years of the new Irish Government that his was "‘the most conservative-minded revolutionaries that ever put through a successful revolution." This demonstrates the extent to which Irish nationalism trumped political ideology.

There is an interesting contrast with an event that happened in Sweden a few years later. In 1931 there was a strike in the wood pulp industry in a town called Ådalen. During a demonstration by union members in support of the strike the police shot five people dead. This had such an impact on the Swedish psyche that the Social Democrats swept to power in 1932 and remained continuously in office until 1976. The Nordic social democratic model that they created remains a byword for economic efficiency, equality and social cohesion. On any indicator of social progress Nordic social market economies lead the world. By contrast, social democracy had a harder time finding its feet in Ireland. Perhaps the reason is that since the foundation of the State, the most important issues, even those related to our membership of the European Union, have been conceptualised in terms of independence rather than of class interest. This reality, together with the overhang of Northern Ireland, has consolidated a political party structure which never aligned with the broad European typology of conservative, liberal and social democratic. The Labour Party that Connolly, Larkin and O’Brien founded in 1912 has been unable to break through an electoral straitjacket where never less than 60% per cent of voters prefer the centre right of the political spectrum.

On the other hand, while Ireland is firmly part of the liberal market economy grouping of Anglo-Saxon countries, it has at times exhibited some countervailing tendencies. Foremost among them is an interventionist industrial policy and, between 1987 and 2009, a sophisticated model of social partnership. In this respect, it was close to the Nordic approach. The difference is that their institutions are firmly embedded in what Peter Katzenstein’s seminal work on small open economies, published in 1985, described as “an ideology of social partnership.” This kind of conviction did not underpin the Irish model and, lacking firm philosophical roots, did not survive the economic cataclysm of 2008. In time I think this will be seen as a public policy mistake. Peter Katzenstein’s core thesis is that institutions are crucial to success. They may need to be reformed as circumstances change, but they should not be dispensed with lightly and without compelling reasons for so doing.

That said, it must also be acknowledged that there has never been an overt public policy hostility to trade unions. No political party has ever made it a platform to attack trade union rights, as have, for example, the Tories in Britain or the Republicans in the United States. Perhaps this, too, has something to do with organised labour’s role in the foundation of the State. Nevertheless, the reality is that the central objective that the women and men of 1913 fought for, the right of workers to choose their representatives and have them bargain collectively with employers on their behalf, has never been secured. It is actively opposed by employers’ organisations, IDA Ireland, the Supreme Court and some legislators who fear that granting a legal right to collective bargaining would inhibit foreign direct investment. Why that should be so, given that the right is enshrined in ILO Conventions 87 and 98 and the European Charter of Fundamental Rights and is the norm in virtually every European country, including Britain, is a mystery to me.

We can erect statues to the 1913 leaders, we can name bridges after them, we can hold national days of commemoration to salute their sacrifice but so long as their great-grandchildren are deprived of the basic human right that they set out to achieve, then we do not really honour their memory. To some extent the events of 1913 are viewed exclusively in an historical context, the product of material conditions that have no relevance today. This is to fail to understand the enduring nature of some of the influences involved.

Globalisation is one such influence. The capitalist world of 1913 was smaller than today but no less globalised if one allows for the technological advances that have happened in the meantime. It was a time of much industrial conflict across Europe as workers and capital owners struggled with issues of distributional justice. To many it seemed as if the world then had reached the limits of economic progress. Yet, it was all to collapse into the chaos and slaughter of the First World War 1 in 1914. For its part organised labour was unequal to the task of preventing millions of its members from killing each other in that conflict. One of our greatest historical failures, undoubtedly. The lesson to be learned is that our well-being, our peace and our world are very fragile.

The current phase of globalisation that can largely be identified with the deregulation of capital markets began in the 1980s. The dissolution of the Soviet Union and the decision of China to go capitalist by decree greatly accelerated the process. One effect was to add one and a half billion additional workers to the pre-existing industrial workforce of 950 million. Effectively this changed the balance of power between capital and labour and, with the increased mobility of capital and financialisation, meant that the collective bargaining power of labour was diminished. Investment decisions became crucial to economic sustainability and so multinational corporations achieved much more leverage over corporate tax policies and labour market regulation in countries that sought that investment. Ireland is a particular manifestation of this phenomenon, being described pejoratively by Professor Peadar Kirby and others as "a competition State". Interestingly, the change that I have just described was attended by considerable stability with relatively low inflation alongside robust global economic growth. Policy makers thought that through policy alone they had achieved a new kind of equilibrium. Alan Greenspan referred to it as "the great moderation" but it was only a chimera. Reduced earning power consequent upon weaker unions with diminished bargaining strength was compensated for by easily available cheap credit. People invested in property that appreciated in value quickly creating a wealth effect that, more or less, confused or disguised the anaemic levels of earned income growth. All of us know how that ended.

When the financial crisis hit in 2008 rapidly increasing unemployment and precarious employment contracts had a certain chilling effect on the willingness of workers to oppose austerity policies in a sustained way across Europe. Youth unemployment levels of 50% in some countries, 7 million of them not in education or training, NEETS, and an overall unemployed cohort of 26 million people in Europe is as close to a social catastrophe as one can get.

Keynesian demand management approaches were rejected in the 1970s because of perceived inability to counter the stagflation caused by the two oil crises at the time. For a while, post-Lehman's collapse, it looked as if neo-liberalism would also be rejected. The neo-liberals regrouped and by the G20 meeting in the summer of 2010 austerity was installed as the policy to counter recession. Paradoxically, Barack Obama was the only Keynesian left standing but the recovery in the US, in my opinion, is testimony to his wisdom.

It is puzzling that there was not a more robust embrace of social democracy given the catastrophic failure of neo-liberalism. A possible explanation may be the absence of a persuasive alternative narrative to austerity. People did not believe that another way was possible and this is reflected, to some extent, in the electoral failure of social democratic parties with Australia and Norway, and Germany being the most recent manifestation of this failure to convince. Right across Europe unions defaulted to the time-honoured path of protest. This was not, of itself, a sufficient response because nowhere, in truth, has it made a real difference.

In the concluding part of his magnum opus, The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money, John Maynard Keynes reflected on the potency of ideas over a period of time. He said: "But, soon or late, it is ideas, not vested interests, which are dangerous for good or evil." When the financial crisis began in earnest following the collapse of Lehman Brothers in mid-September 2008, Congress campaigned for an essentially Keynesian response under the banner of "A Better Fairer Way". It became clear, however, that orthodox economic opinion would have none of it. We were virtually alone. We realised that our capacity to undermine the meta narrative of austerity was unequal to the scale of opposing opinion. For this reason we instituted a considerable reorientation of resources and it has paid off.

By virtue of the quality of its analysis the Nevin Economic Research Institute, that we created to engage in the battle of ideas from a social democratic perspective, is gradually gaining some purchase on the attention of policy makers, parliamentarians, I think, and the public as well. Not least in importance is its role in equipping our own members to engage in public discourse. Understanding the reality that the way the EMU is structured, and the absent facility to devalue, the burden of adjustment in the event of an economic shock will fall on workers. Understanding that is the key to the future because it is the essential cause of much of our difficulty. The fact that the institutions of EMU are designed on the lines of the German Bundesbank means that German ordoliberalism is the policy effectively being followed. However, the manner in which it is mediated through the troika means that it appears here as hard-nosed neoliberalism unlike in Germany where it is moderated by its social market economy context. Therefore, the key to a more equitable burden sharing ultimately requires a rebalancing of the EMU institutions to allow for a social Europe in which the independence and power of the ECB is complemented by institutions appropriate to the social market economy. In other words, the ECB needs to move closer to the approach of the Federal Reserve in the United States having not as its remit just price stability but the broader conduct of economic affairs, including unemployment. It seems unlikely that the significant political momentum to achieve such an objective can be mobilised without a renaissance of social democracy in Europe, an event that does not seem imminent. Nevertheless, recapturing the social policy ambitions of the Delors' era in Europe is the task of the European Trade Union Confederation in which ICTU tries to play an active part.

Thus it is that the imperative of both industrial and political representation of workers reasserts itself as it did during that tumultuous period between 1908 and 1913. It is important to come to the realisation that the social market economy must be allowed to function in a way that allows for systems of collective bargaining to facilitate distributional justice and the opportunity of a decent job for all. The alternative - and I am very serious about this because we have seen it happen in a number of European countries - is an acceleration of support for populist right wing, anti-European and anti-immigrant parties.

When Larkin came to Dublin the Dublin Castle authorities, or British authorities, at the time, did not want to take him in conflict due to the way he was able to organise even the police to join his union in Belfast, when he organised a big strike there in 1906. In the heightened Nationalist fervour of the times that would have been a considerable worry to them. Many employers were reticent about taking Larkin on but William Martin Murphy put steel into those employers. He was an unusual phenomenon in the Ireland of 1913, a Catholic Nationalist entrepreneur in a city dominated by Protestant Unionist businessmen. Yet they accepted his leadership of the Dublin Chamber of Commerce. Murphy's cause was not a dispute about pay and conditions. It was to get rid of Larkin and the syndicalism that he practised. The sympathetic strike was regarded as a dangerous weapon in the hands of women and men whose circumstances were so bad that they had nothing to lose. Most of all he hated Larkin because he had an analysis of what caused those poor conditions in the first place. Once again, the importance of ideas comes out. Larkin was exceptional due to his charisma and leadership. What was exceptional about those who followed him was their solidarity and willingness to suffer for his "divine gospel of discontent".

In some respects the labour movement regained ground lost more quickly than might have been expected after 1913. By 1919, the International Labour Office had been instituted awarding, as of right, many of the protections William Martin Murphy sought to deny to the ITGWU. By 1919 also, the democratic programme here, reflecting the values of labour, had been promulgated. The recovery of trade union strength was helped by the demand for labour and economic conditions associated with the war.

Sadly, however, the return of Larkin from the United States in 1923 led to a virtual civil war over control of the transport union. As a result, trade unions were marginalised from economic and social policy making for most of the next 35 years. It is hard to deny that this was not a squandering of all the effort and hardship associated with 1913. It is the reason Congress today remains so protective of the all-island unified structure instituted in 1959. It was a settlement which created the largest civil society organisation in Ireland, unique in European terms, in having one trade union centre for two jurisdictions. The acceptance of the sui generis nature of Congress has allowed it to stake out common ground for workers of all religious and political persuasions to oppose sectarianism and violence over the past 40 difficult years in Northern Ireland.

The core mission of trade unionism to organise workers to force a more just distribution of the wealth created by markets, remains as it always has been. This mission is predicated on a belief that: all human beings are morally equal; we all have an equal entitlement to self-determination; all life chances should be as equal as possible; and social justice is a condition of liberty. Moreover, we believe that capitalism does not exist independently of society and it is proper for the democratic will to be asserted over business and private power. Markets do not regulate themselves and best outcomes do not happen spontaneously.

The biggest challenge facing all of us today is to find ways to mitigate the social and economic risks to which people are exposed during their normal lives. The very rich may have the means to insulate themselves from some, but not all, of these risks. The rest of us need to band together for protection. That is the purpose of the welfare state. In recent years, high levels of public debt and an ageing demographic, bringing with it high pension and health costs, have undermined the sustainability of the welfare state. In the future, it will only be possible to achieve sustainability with high levels of social investment. This in turn will require high labour force participation rates and jobs capable of sustaining the tax revenue base to fund social investment. In other words, decent work.

As things stand, the trend is in the opposite direction, with many of our citizens having an increasingly precarious relationship with the labour market through zero-hour contracts and the like. Indeed it is the case that the welfare system is being increasingly used to subsidise employers paying low pay. This is unsustainable. In the same way, the retreat from defined benefit pension systems is transferring risk, through defined contributions, to the individual initially but ultimately to the State, because none of us can support a situation where our elderly population is left in destitution and abject poverty. The State would have to step in eventually. There is an enormous movement of risk taking place.

Decent work is now, and will increasingly become, an imperative for all industrialised countries. The only way to achieve decent work is through collective bargaining. The need for workers to organise and bargain collectively with employers for distributional justice is as relevant today as it was in the past. The values which inspired the women and men of 1913 are, in fact, timeless.

In Padraig Yeates's marvellously detailed account of the Lock-out there is a poignant little story about the fate of some of those involved. I want to conclude with this, because it captures the tragedy of the whole thing and reminds me of the weight of history on the shoulders of those whose duty it is to lead the present day trade union movement. The story tells how in 1914, a group of ITGWU men, who were unable to win reinstatement on the docks because of their involvement with Larkin, joined the Dublin Fusiliers en bloc. They were part of the regular army that held the line in Flanders, while Kitchener's mass volunteer army was training in Britain. On 24 April 1915, they took part in an attack on a village called Saint-Julien, near Ypres in Flanders. They advanced in "faultless order" to within 100 yds of the village before their lines were swept away by machine gun fire. The handful who crawled back gave "three cheers for Jim Larkin", just as if they were once more outside Liberty Hall.

Thank you, Mr. Begg, for a very enlightening and interesting presentation to Members. Before I call Senator Cummins, I welcome a former Member of the House, Deputy Shane Ross, to the public Gallery. I see he still has a big interest in this House.

As Leader of the House I extend a very warm welcome to Mr. David Begg as general secretary of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions. In welcoming him to the House today, we acknowledge the significance of the 1913 Lock-out and the events surrounding it as moments of great importance in our history. It is very important that during the decade of commemorations we will have over the next ten years, historical events such as the 1913 Lock-out are commemorated.

As Mr. Begg stated, the Lock-out was an unprecedented event in Ireland, both in measure and intensity, and to this day remains the largest industrial conflict in Irish history. Leading personalities, such as Larkin, Connolly and Countess Markievicz, showed exceptional charisma, courage and credence in their cause. The Lock-out brought thousands of Irish men and women out on the streets of Dublin to assert their rights. Recently I heard a radio programme which suggested that the establishment was very much against the idea of trade unionism, and as the Irish Parliamentary Party was elected by people of property, no support could be expected for trade unionism from that quarter.

However, recently I read a speech delivered by John Redmond at the turn of the century in Ballybricken in Waterford, a place where, as Waterford people would say, I was born, bred and reared myself. These were the words of John Redmond at the turn of the century:

I therefore am strongly in favour of the principle of trade unionism. I would appeal to the labouring classes of Waterford to strengthen their organisation, act with due regard to the general interests of the community and with moderation, good sense and reason. I am in favour of the limitation wherever possible, of hours of labour. Every reasonable demand made on behalf of the labour movement has my support - seeing that the rate of wages is a rate which will enable men to live, educate and bring up their families, seeing that the class of labour employed is a legitimate class and I believe in the strict enforcement of this and the preventing of excursive employment of the young.

These were strong words from Redmond at a time when such support would have been frowned upon by the ruling classes and the establishment of the time, but I am glad they were delivered on my home turf in Ballybricken.

I listened with interest to the debate in the other House on the Lock-out on which some excellent contributions were made. We decided to go one step further and invite Mr. Begg, as general secretary of ICTU, to come to this House. I compliment him on an excellent and much appreciated presentation. We have come a long way since 1913. The modern Irish workforce is very fortunate to benefit from progressive and protective workplace regulations. Workers here are privileged to work in a country where their rights are well respected and where there are stable structures in place to safeguard their rights when points of contention are raised. The role of trade unions must also be acknowledged when speaking about workers' rights in this regard.

The role of organisations such as the ICTU is fundamental to educating workers on their rights, safeguarding those rights and liaising with the Government and relevant bodies on behalf of working people. In Ireland, we have had a model of social partnership that has served us well and kept industrial unrest to a bare minimum for a long number of years.

Indeed, the leadership shown by the trade unions since the beginning of the recession has been exemplary. While ICTU advocated for its members to protect their terms and conditions, it also took cognisance of the spending reality facing the State. It is fair to say that the Croke Park and the Haddington Road agreements have facilitated the necessary adjustments without the unrest and the disruption to public services that we have witnessed in other European counties.

I reiterate my thanks to David Begg for coming here and for his most interesting and informative address. I wish him well in the further commemorations of the Lock-out event and in his future work.

It is a great pleasure to welcome David Begg on behalf of the Fianna Fáil group. I compliment you, a Chathaoirligh, and the Leader for not only facilitating this outstanding presentation from Mr. Begg, but facilitating presentations from other leaders from business and other walks of life over the past six months.

Mr. Begg has had a long and outstanding career in public life. He is very much the face of organised labour, representing hundred of thousands of people. He holds an onerous and important position, which he carries out with great moderation. Whenever a storm is brewing, he is a calming influence, although I have no doubt that there is plenty of steel behind that calm.

Congress must be recognised for the positive contribution it has made, particularly in recent years during this awful recession. If and when we pull out of the recession - I am sure that we will - congress's role will be looked at and great credit will be due to it for the manner in which it has played its part in a disciplined and patriotic way.

The 1913 Lock-out is obviously one of the great events in Irish history. It was for a long time overshadowed by 1916, which has been the main focus of commemorations down through the years. The 100th anniversary gives us an opportunity to have a wider look at what went on during that tumultuous period. While the Lock-out ended in defeat it was not ultimately a defeat because it highlighted a number of issues, including the appalling poverty in Dublin, that had been swept under the carpet. It was also a success in so far as it taught workers the importance of organised labour. As Mr. Begg mentioned, it was the bed on which the future of organised trade unions was made. Without the 1913 Lock-out that may never have happened. One only has to read or watch the plays of Seán O'Casey to realise the awful plight of the people at that time.

I am most interested in the international element to the 1913 Lock-out and the help that trade unionists received from other countries, particularly from the United Kingdom. Its trade union movement was very much in its infancy as well. It probably started in the London dock strike of 1889, which was organised by Ben Tillett and others. Subsequent to that event, Keir Hardie was elected as the first Labour Member of Parliament. The UK was not too far ahead of us, so the manner in which those involved assisted the struggling workers in Dublin was exemplary and should be noted. It is a pity that at the time some elements of the Catholic Church tried to intervene and prevent that assistance because they thought that some kind of proselytising was occurring, which was a rather short-sighted approach.

I have one or two questions to pose to Mr. Begg. First, I know that we live in more subtle times and we would not want to have fellows like William Martin Murphy around, but are there resonances of such confrontations ongoing when the union is trying to settle a point of issue with employers? Will that confrontation always be there? Is it part of life that employers want to pay as little as they can, while workers will try to get as much as they can? Is it an inevitable part of the relationship?

Second, Mr. Begg, referred to Northern Ireland. I know that the huge sectarian divide up there must have been impossible for anyone to bridge, but I have often wondered whether the trade union movement did enough to bring the sides together because it was not the wealthy Catholics and Protestants who were battling it out, but the poor. I have often felt that trade unions should have been more proactive. Finally, I am privileged and grateful to have been nominated by congress, along with other Senators here, such as Senator Brennan, to contest the Senate elections for the past two elections. Congress has had the power to nominate seven Senators since the Constitution. Does Mr. Begg find the engagement with the Oireachtas of use to congress? Does he anticipate in the event that there is no longer a Seanad that he will have the same sense of engagement with a single chamber Parliament, namely the Dáil? As Mr. Begg knows, the Seanad is, 100 years on, facing its own lock-out. Thankfully, that decision will not be made by William Martin Murphy but by the people, and we will abide by their decision. I have no wish to put words into Mr. Begg's mouth, but does he think that the Seanad has been a useful conduit between congress and Government?

I welcome David Begg to the House, it is a pleasure to have the General Secretary of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions here. It is important to mark the 1913 Lock-out centenary in this way and that we speak also about its relevance to modern Ireland. I had to propose to a previous meeting of the Committee on Procedure and Privileges that Mr. Begg would address us, and it is great that he is here to do so. As the Leader has said, we have gone one better than the Lower House in our approach to marking the centenary.

I am personally delighted because I had the pleasure of working with Mr. Begg on the TASC democracy commission, which I view as a precursor to the constitutional convention in the sense that we looked at issues around participation in democracy and encouraging greater participation by young people in particular. We did important work on that issue.

Mr. Begg has given a wonderful, clear and comprehensive overview of the complex history and the context of the Lock-out. There is no doubt it was a tragedy and a defeat. As Mr Begg mentioned, it was effectively an unconditional surrender and a betrayal of the working classes who had united in solidarity behind the charismatic and strongly revered Jim Larkin. Of course, he was equally loathed by those on the other side and, in many ways, he became a divisive figure. The Lock-out has achieved an iconic status and it was undoubtedly a pivotal moment in Irish history. One strand of historical work focuses on the personality of Larkin and the relationship he had with other leaders, such as Connolly and O'Brien. That highlights the splits and divide in the trade union movement which Mr. Begg described as a kind of civil war, which is one of enduring effects after 1913. That is only one interpretation of 1913 and it is often the interpretation of those who take an anti-trade union perspective. However, there is another important take on the Lock-out that has left a more lasting legacy to which Mr. Begg alluded. The widespread and common perception of 1913 is that it was a brutal put-down by a ruthless employer, William Martin Murphy, and his allies, of workers and their families who were living in appalling conditions and in starvation. Those conditions are so far removed, happily, from current circumstances that it is often hard to see the relevance. There is a renewed interest in the social context of the Lock-out. One only has to look at the revived interest in Strumpet City and recent cultural events, including the reopening of the house on Henrietta Street, the television programmes about tenement life and people's living conditions, and recent dramas in the fringe festival and in Dublin City Hall for culture night to see that.

All of these events have focused on people's living conditions at the time and the impact of the employers' tactics on women and children, in particular.

The Lock-out has left a powerful legacy in Irish society, namely, an enduring attachment not specifically to trade unions but to the principle of communitarianism and the idea of social protection, and, in particular, a determination that families should never again be left in that type of destitution. As Mr. Begg observed, however, there is a great deal of analysis to be done on why social democracy has not had a stronger hold in Irish politics. There certainly has been a strong adherence to a model of the welfare state and of social protection which is broadly in keeping with the European tradition of social democracy. It has, however, taken a particular shape in this country over many years. Some historians describe the Catholic Church as having operated here as a sort of shadow welfare state, providing many of the social protections that were undertaken directly by the state elsewhere. The social protection model in this country is not the same model we saw develop in the Nordic countries, for example, but it none the less marks an enduring adherence to communitarianism.

There are many particular factors to which we can point that might explain why the Labour Party and social democracy more generally did not gain politically from this commitment to communitarianism. The decision by the party to opt out of the 1918 general election is often seen as a pivotal moment in the development of what is referred to as the two-and-a-half-party system. There is an important legacy to tease out in terms of the Irish political system and our social perspective. In the context of our EU membership, we see that Irish governments, comprising a range of political parties and even where the Labour Party is not involved, have adhered very strongly to the social market model. Mr. Begg also pointed to our long adherence to the social partnership model between 1987 and 2009, which is in keeping with the spirit I have described.

There is a further legacy to consider here, which is the unfinished business of 1913. This legacy, which has lived on in the trade union movement and in our industrial relations system, is the voluntarist model of engagement, where traditionally there was no statutory basis for collective bargaining and where unions and employers instead negotiated on a voluntary basis. As Mr. Begg observed, International Labour Organisation conventions and, more recently, the jurisprudence of the European Court of Human Rights have pointed strongly to the need to ensure rights to collective bargaining and trade union recognition in the workplace. This was the central issue in the 1913 Lock-out and in many trade disputes in this country in the intervening years. It is the unfinished business of 1913 that we still have not implemented those rights in law. An attempt was made in 2004, as Mr. Begg pointed out, in the amendments to the industrial relations legislation. That attempt was undermined by the Supreme Court decision in the Ryanair case in 2007, which took a very restrictive interpretation of the legislation. There is a strong academic argument that the decision in that case breached ILO Convention No. 98 and did not take sufficient cognisance of the true content of the freedom of association rights. I am very pleased that the programme for Government negotiated in 2011 includes a commitment to review the need for the inclusion of the principle of union recognition in legislation. I look forward to seeing that done in the lifetime of this Government.

I referred earlier to the cultural legacy of 1913. In the year when we finally decided to name a bridge in Dublin after a woman - Rosie Hackett, a trade unionist involved in the Lock-out - it is clear that it is a cultural legacy that lives on very strongly. As Mr. Begg observed, the values and motives that drove the women and men who took part in the Lock-out are still very much alive and kicking in this city and country today.

I thank Mr. Begg for his interesting and provocative address. I take this opportunity to acknowledge the work of the Seanad Committee on Procedure and Privileges, the Cathaoirleach, Leader and Senator Ivana Bacik in facilitating this debate. The opportunity to commemorate key historical events is always to be welcomed, provided it serves as a means to interrogate the present and perhaps offer some roadmap or vision for the future.

I do not agree that we must be sensitive in commemorating or acknowledging our forthcoming centenaries, but we do need to be truthful. We must get past the myths surrounding all these events and examine only the facts. It is a fact, for example, that the 1913 Lock-out ended in failure. It is a fact that capital won out over labour. It is a fact, above all, that the events of the harsh winter of 1913 led to huge hardship, deprivation, emigration, death, and a subsequent flight to the fields of Flanders. At the same time, however, the extraordinary men and women who supported the locked-out workers set us a moral challenge and standard that are still relevant 100 years later. They have become our virtual conscience.

Their vision of social justice, equality of pay and conditions, equal access to education and voting rights, the campaign against alcohol abuse and the right to paid holidays was born in the trauma and catharsis of 1913. President Michael D. Higgins referred to the events of that year in a recent speech at the launch the Lock-out tapestry. I am proud to observe that staff of the Abbey Theatre contributed to one of the panels of that tapestry, which is on display in the National Museum. President Higgins said:

National commemorations such as this one, honouring the 1913 Lock-out, are not mere protocol occasions and ceremonies; they are actions that invite us to reclaim our collective past, to appropriate and reinterpret it so as to broaden our understanding of our present condition and redefine our horizon of expectations.

That is a good summation of the role of national commemorations, and it is the context in which this debate is taking place today.

The emergence of new historians who have accessed primary sources in our archives and analysed personal testimonies is a remarkable development. Learning about people like Rosie Hackett, who lived on Abbey Street, and her colleague Helena Moloney, an actress at the Abbey Theatre, gives us a better and more complex view of history. If we are to make sense of the past we must examine the multiple narratives of history. Senator Ned O'Sullivan referred to the work of Seán O'Casey. It is useful to consider the latter's observation that the single most important event in 20th century Ireland was not the Rising of 1916 but the Lock-out of 1913. The events of that year set an agenda which has had an impact and consequence to this day.

As Senator Bacik mentioned, the Abbey Theatre has considered, and will continue to consider, the cultural interpretation of the events of 1913. This coming winter, for instance, we will present Jim Plunkett's "The Risen People" on the Abbey stage. It is important to remember that the Lock-out did not start and end on the day in August known as Bloody Sunday but continued for five months over the winter of 1913.

The Lock-out has become mythologised as an epic struggle between Jim Larkin on one side and William Martin Murphy on the other. The reality was rather different. It was an ugly dispute, with failings on both sides. It was often mundane. A prominent historian of the period in question, Padraig Yeates, has observed:

The myth has survived in large part because it has suited everyone. It gave the moral victory to the workers, while their material defeat underlined the comforting contention of the employers and other defenders of conservative ideologies that Larkinism, and by extension socialism, made for good rhetoric but was impractical. For the most part the Lockout was a far shabbier, bloodier and more mundane affair than the myth allows. Above all, it was an unnecessary dispute and probably would not have occurred but for the peculiarly perverse personalities of Larkin and the employers' leader William Martin Murphy. Few of the principals emerge well from this awful episode in Dublin's history. It was left to what Tom Kettle referred to as the 'second class people on both sides' to pick up the pieces. Of course, individual Dubliners of all classes and creeds, acting on the impulses of common humanity, did what they could to mitigate the worst aspects of the tragedy. So did thousands of workers in Britain [as Mr. Begg pointed out] who contributed almost £10,000 (the equivalent of £10 million today) to help their locked-out brethren. Nevertheless the Lockout raised passions that were by turn sectarian and nationalist. The help from Britain was often resented and, perversely, helped strengthen separatist tendencies within the Irish trade union movement.

The events of 1913 can help us today in deciding how we might reorganise Irish society. Whatever we think of Larkin and Connolly, they believed in an ideology of enhancing human dignity and examining what might be possible for us all as a community.

One of my questions to Mr. Begg relates to social partnership, which certainly had merit. The Programme for National Recovery in 1987 represented the strong beginnings of a type of re-articulation of the relationship between workers and employers.

It had merit but its merit was annulled and the vision and ideology fell apart. It became a process to deliver action rather than a shared set of common values and a vision for our public service. How will that appear again? We have the Haddington Road agreement, but perhaps Mr. Begg can tell us how he sees the reorganisation of the discourse between worker and employer occurring in the coming ten to 15 years. As a republic in name only, we need leaders of communities to adopt the spirit of Larkin and Connolly and use the opportunity of commemorations like the 1913 Lock-out to agree on a journey that will take us out of the current hardship with a more ethical base. Therefore, although the Lock-out was a defeat, it was, as President Higgins suggests, the "beginning of a journey towards human dignity and social justice, an unfinished journey for so many on our planet".

I join the Leader and others in welcoming Mr. David Begg. It is a reunion, in a sense, because for several years on Friday mornings we heard the thoughts of Mr. Begg at the National Economic and Social Council, NESC. They were always carefully prepared and forcefully argued proposals for economic improvement. The tutorial has resumed, updated from the period when I left the NESC. At that time, Mr. Begg would make a presentation and I would come in soon afterwards. After that, each Department representative defended his or her Department and would not discuss the ideas we had. Add to that the rigid Whip system here, and we have the great Keynes quote that Mr. Begg and I use frequently: "It is ideas, not vested interests, which are dangerous for good or evil." Mr. Begg and I aired ideas at the NESC and it stopped there. The rest of the system was geared to prevent them from going further. I came here with Keynesian objectives in mind and they were stopped. People from Department X did not want to comment on whatever we had to say on Department Y. Presumably, there were repercussions when they went back. People come to me outside the Chamber and tell me they fully support me but when it comes to debating in the Chamber it is gone because Mr. Whippy has intervened and Members must do what they are told. We need ideas and I always admired the way Mr. David Begg introduced them. We try to do the same here. The Nevin Economic Research Institute, NERI, is an important development in that regard.

Mr. Begg and Senator Bacik referred to social partnership running out of steam in 2009. Was it hijacked? Under the idea of being too big to fail, we invented a form of socialism for the rich and bailed out, at vast expense, the bankers and the accountants who prepared accounts that were not a true and accurate reflection of the companies upon which they were reporting. There were disastrous failures in central banking. It was supposed to be a regulated sector but the ideas were kept out.

One of the ideas of NERI and in the thinking of Mr. Begg, which we need at this stage, is that we have all seen the consequences of the 2008 collapse but we now need to look at the causes. When union representatives appeared before the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, I mentioned that with the experience, expertise and knowledge they have, we must consider what kind of banks we should have. The existing banks would do the same all over again, which would cost us another €64 billion. Mr. Begg and NERI could develop these ideas. Why do we not have proper project appraisal and policy evaluation in the public sector? How do we get a proper banking system that will not put the country back on the rocks, leading to the unemployment to which Mr. Begg referred?

It will not be so momentous an event when we leave the troika because we still have a bundle of debt. We need to have a kind of economic policy to deal with the post-collapse society. What institutions and regulation of institutions do we need to restore the progress we all want? In the context of thinking out policy, Mr. Begg and I were members of the NESC after we sleepwalked into the euro. Mr. Begg mentioned globalisation, and people are seriously concerned about how to protect a small country such as Ireland from a tsunami of capital that leads to property bubbles. We had a system that gave no power to devalue, no control over interest rates, no bank regulation, no exit mechanism, not enough fiscal federalism and no anti-tsunami measures for capital flows. It is interesting how countries like Germany and Canada have managed to survive this and have not gone down the route of debt that has befallen us. Perhaps the emphasis in this House and in public discourse should be on how to repair institutions. We have spent a lot of time and money trying to deal with the consequences.

I liked the references from the 1913 period to the solidarity we tried to achieve between working class people in Belfast and in Dublin. One of Mr. Begg's predecessors in Northern Ireland, Mr. Terry Carlin, did magnificent work at the worst times of the Troubles in trying to keep the workers together and not split along sectarian lines. I like the idea that institutions are vital to society and should not be dispensed with lightly. Obviously this refers to what we are speaking about now. Institutions are important and should redefine themselves and continue the flow of ideas.

The Irish Congress of Trade Unions is a nominating body for the Seanad. Can we expect to see Mr. Begg on these benches introducing his ideas every day rather than on occasional visits? I would welcome that because I always find what he has to say of the greatest interest and stimulation.

Notwithstanding his appalling industrial relations image, Mr. William Martin Murphy was an entrepreneur of a kind and was widely admired in transport circles for the tram system he ran. Maybe we need to find more entrepreneurs, as we are always trying to do in industrial policy. There may be redeeming features that have not yet drawn much attention in the events of 100 years ago.

Mr. Begg's words were a masterful discourse of then and now, ending with blood and tears in Flanders for so many people. Let us hope we do not do that again. The revolt in the UK and US Parliaments stopped precipitous wars like the one in which so many trade union members died in 1914. Public policy goes on, and the contributions to discourse Mr. Begg has brought today and always brings are most valuable and are part of the ambition of civic society. I thank the Leader and the Cathaoirleach for inviting him and I thank Mr. Begg for his address.

I welcome Mr. Begg to the House. I was one of the Senators who proposed that, as the general secretary of Congress, Mr. Begg should address the Seanad to mark the centenary of the Lock-out. The speech was very good in setting the historical context to allow us to commemorate, remember and pay tribute to working people over the past 100 years and the people involved in the Lock-out for their struggle for workers' rights and the many battles and struggles that took place in Dublin city, across the State and on the island of Ireland. It is fitting that Mr. Begg, as General Secretary of Congress, addresses the Seanad in the centenary year of the Lock-out.

The strike by the Dublin transport workers in 1913 was, as we know, the foundation stone for the Irish labour movement. It was also the foundation stone for that battle for workers' rights in all the years up to the present day. The radicalism of the Lock-out was seen in the 1916 Rising. There have been many different analyses and views of the ideologies that underpinned the actions of the employers and workers of that time and the motivation of those engaged in the 1916 Rising. We need only read the 1916 Proclamation to see that its words were underpinned by socialist and social democratic values, as was the radical programme of the First Dáil. This must be our beacon of hope: that we can have a better society if we implement the words of the Proclamation to cherish all of the children equally. The Proclamation promised equality for the people of this State and of this island. It put equality front and centre.

The Lock-out was characterised by hardship, cruelty, poverty and inhumanity, but in my view these are overshadowed, quite rightly, by the spirit, courage and bravery of the trade union leaders and the workers of the Lock-out. While it is important in this centenary year to remember, to pay tribute and to commemorate, it is also important to accept the reality that here in Dublin and in this State we still do not have the right to bargain collectively, nor do we have trade union recognition rights. We owe it to all the people who were involved in that long struggle for workers' rights to make sure that in the centenary year of the Lock-out we enshrine in Irish law the right to collective bargaining and the right to trade union recognition. I ask for David Begg's opinion on how this can be achieved.

We must also recognise that people being locked out of their jobs and being denied their rights as workers is not confined to 1913. In recent years we saw what happened to the Visteon workers in Belfast, the Waterford Crystal workers in Waterford, the Lagan Brick workers on both sides of the Border and the Vita Cortex workers in Cork. Situations still exist in which working people are denied basic rights. While it is important to commemorate the great sacrifices made and also the gains made by working people, we must look at the challenges facing working people in the here and now and acknowledge that many working families, not just in Ireland but across Europe and the world, are suffering under austerity policies.

David Begg referred to the political aspects and the fact that in the past decades in this State, 80% of the people have voted for parties of the centre right. There is a change taking place in Ireland, North and South, which offers opportunities for socialists and social democrats to work together, whether in the political sphere, the trade union sector or the community and voluntary sector. We have to grasp that opportunity because we must be much more ambitious, as people who are supportive of the labour movement, to ensure that labour and socialist and social democratic policies are those that win out. I ask for David Begg's opinion on some of those issues.

I will take the first four Senators who are offering to ask questions, after which Mr. Begg will respond. I ask that Members confine their contributions to questions.

I will confine my contribution to questions but I wish to make a brief comment. I welcome David Begg as a fellow trade unionist. He has championed the cause of workers for decades. I had reason to be involved in the trade union movement with David Begg in Telecom Éireann and in Eircom. It was one of the leading companies which showed how partnership in the workplace could function.

Some people like to obliterate the memory of history about certain aspects of our past. Last week in this House, in a debate about history as a subject in the junior certificate curriculum, I made the point that the first I learned of Larkin and Connolly was not in the classroom but rather from my late uncle, a lifelong trade unionist and Labour Party activist. David Begg gave an excellent resumé of the events of 1913. It might be of interest to him to know that on 27 September 1913, within a few hours of a trade union congress in Clonmel, both Larkin and Connolly visited my home town of Carrick-on-Suir to inspect tenements, which Larkin described as the worst he had seen any place in Europe. This problem was not confined to Dublin as it was also a problem in rural Ireland. It is probably a little-known fact - it certainly was not known to Larkin at that time - that his great rival, William O'Brien, was actually living in Carrick-on-Suir at the time as his father was an RIC man. As David Begg noted, William later moved to Dublin to become a tailor and he become involved in the trade union movement.

In the case of rural Ireland, the unrest led on to the issue of the soviets that were set up by workers across Tipperary - in Clonmel, Carrick-on-Suir, Tipperary town and Cahir - and in Waterford, Cork and Limerick, when the Cleeve's company unilaterally cut its workers' wages by 33.3%. We are celebrating the centenary of 1913. Is it not time this country, the Government and the party of which I am a member, which is in partnership with Fine Gael, introduced legislation for collective bargaining? Is it not time we commemorated this centenary in a tangible way by bringing forward that legislation? I ask David Begg to state ICTU's view on that legislation and how it should be shaped.

It was mentioned that William Martin Murphy travelled abroad and that he was an expert on the transport business. He travelled to America and across Europe. I wonder, if he had spent some little time studying humanity and human resources when he was abroad, whether David Begg would be addressing the House today.

I too wish to join in the welcome to David Begg and thank him for his very interesting address. Like all Members I have plenty to say about how present-day Ireland compares with the Ireland of the 1913 Lock-out. I refer to areas such as child poverty, socioeconomic disparities, the promotion and protection of economic, social and cultural rights, sub-standard housing and accommodation - Priory Hall and the ghettoisation of direct provision - vested interests, property development and the relationship with banks. It is interesting to note that at the turn of the 20th century it was lawful to hit one's dog, one's wife and one's child. Sadly, in 2013 it is still lawful to hit one's child - and arguably, someone else's child - in the absence of an explicit ban on corporal punishment of children in the home and in alternative day-care settings. This is, perhaps, a subject for a further discussion. However, it is interesting to highlight the rights of children.

Because of time constraints I will limit my contribution to the following comments. I commend the ICTU 1913 committee on the Dublin Tenement Experience: Living the Lockout project, which was delivered in collaboration with Dublin City Council and the Irish Heritage Trust. I met the Irish Heritage Trust this morning and I was informed that the project received a community grant and the trust is looking for a reinstatement of community grants. In August I had the pleasure of visiting 14 Henrietta Street. It is no exaggeration to say that I felt completely transported during that hour. The poverty, disease, desperation, pride, spirit and fight portrayed by the actors were tangible to all present. Will this become a permanent project, and how can we support it? The way in which the arts were brought together for such an experience is tremendously powerful, both for the people of Ireland and for visitors to the country.

I was delighted by the decision of Dublin City Council to name the Marlborough Street bridge after Rosie Hackett in recognition of her dedication to the trade union movement and her struggle for workers' rights. It is very important to recognise the role of women.

It is also very important to recognise that Rosie Hackett was just a girl of 18 when she helped to organise the strike in protest against the poor working conditions in Jacob's factory. To galvanise and lead as many as 300 women at such a young age is a remarkable achievement and a testament to the potential of the young to be the driving force behind positive change. We need to keep this firmly in mind when we speak of youth activism and we see organisations such as SpunOut, which has been in the news this week, the National Youth Council of Ireland and all its member organisations.

Mr. Begg mentioned the figures for those not in education, employment or training, NEETs, which is an obvious concern, as well as the youth guarantee, so what can we do to support this youth activism? Rosie Hackett was 18 when she was involved in that strike and there are many Rosie Hacketts today that we should support as we look to bring about positive change in Ireland.

Cuirim fáilte roimh Mr. Begg. I sincerely think him for his very interesting account of the 1913 Lock-out. He is the general secretary of an organisation that represents over 55 unions and 833,000 men and women in the country. He must be a very busy man. He has gone a long way, which is right, and he has reached the top of the profession. His early days of negotiation were not that long ago and I witnessed them in my former role working with the ESB. Mr. Begg has spoken here with great conviction and authority, and I acknowledge the part played by the Irish Congress of Trade Unions in the successful negotiations surrounding the Croke Park and Haddington Road agreements.

Mr. Begg has battled for workers' rights for decades, as colleagues have mentioned, and he has worked with great energy, calm and dignity. He has brought calm to many negotiation tables. I wish him continued success in his leadership role and, to echo Senator Ned O'Sullivan, I was honoured to receive a nomination from the Irish Congress of Trade Unions and be elected to the Seanad on its behalf. I wish Mr. Begg continued good health and success in his deliberations for many years to come.

I also welcome Mr. Begg to the Chamber and thank him for an excellent and thought-provoking contribution. I have a page of scribbles before me so I will try to confine myself to two questions relating to models of welfare. Mr. Begg mentioned the failure in Ireland in the initial years of the 20th century to build consensus across the entirety of society. To what extent would Mr. Begg attribute that to the urban-rural divide that resulted from the land wars in the early 20th century? For example, the 1913 housing inquiry was mentioned, along with the plight of Dublin workers in particular in the tenements. At the same time vast quantities of Irish land had been transferred to smallholdings, and it has been suggested this provoked a spirit of conservatism in the country. With regard to the failure to build consensus with urban workers, the agricultural rural labourers had housing needs met as part of the protest around the land wars in rural Ireland, although there was no similar consensus around the need to deal with people in urban Ireland, including Waterford and other cities and large urban areas.

This type of dominance of the concerns of rural Ireland, according to Professor Tom Garvin, brought a certain style of politics into the country, particularly up to the 1960s. This can be seen in small ways, as the children of smallholders in rural Ireland had higher participation rates in education than the children of workers due to the supports given to smallholders in particular. There was also a role for the Church, particularly in the 1920s, when there was a fear of Bolshevism. To what extent was the model of welfare influenced by the urban-rural divide?

A second question relates to the more modern model of welfare that is emerging in the world at large. I am referring specifically to the world economic crisis and the impact of globalisation. Mr. Begg mentioned the issue of transferring risk from the State to the individual. In both the developed European world and in the emerging economies of south-east Asia, housing, in particular, has been used as a way of providing what is known as "asset-based welfare". In other words, individuals would be able to pay for their own needs, particularly those which arise as populations age across the world. The idea is that people have the assets to pay for their own needs in old age. Even in Sweden - one of the countries regarded as being among the most equal in the world - they travelled down that path.

In spite of the world financial crisis and a lack of regulation - I believe there was international collusion among governments in this lack of regulation and the promotion of asset-based welfare - to what extent can societies deal with problems, given the mobility of capital in the modern world? It is very difficult to guarantee excellent jobs when the mobility of capital is such a major factor in the equation.

I ask Mr. Begg to respond. There were many questions and views put forward.

Mr. David Begg

I thank Senators for their very kind remarks and insightful observations about many of the points I raised. I am not sure I can do justice to all the comments and questions but I will try to do so. It may be easier for me to work in reverse and I will respond to Senator Hayden first.

Her question concerned the urban-rural divide, which is a very significant subject. Ireland is probably significantly different from many other European countries in that there has been a long delay in the emergence of an industrial working class. We have never politically held what would be called a "red-green" alliance that was certainly very prominent in Sweden and some other Nordic countries. There has been a rift, I suppose, which is somewhat unreal, as The Irish Times today indicates the number of people in farming who are working in industry at the same time. This unreal divide has affected our history.

The issue was most comprehensively addressed by a report which the National Economic and Social Council commissioned in 1992 from Lars Mjøset, the Norwegian academic, who considered the question of why Ireland had not managed to develop an autocentric system of development in the manner of other European countries. He dealt with many of the questions raised by the Senator regarding rural and urban sectors, as well as emigration, brain drain and its effects. He also dealt with the social influence of Catholicism and how that affected what happened in our country. It is a very big and interesting question. It is unfortunate that Mjøset's report in 1992 did not get a great deal of attention, as just after its publication the country began to take off as the Celtic tiger. The issue could be revisited with some benefit to us all, as it was a very perceptive insight into our position.

The Senator's second point concerned the emerging welfare model, and there is a really big problem. As I mentioned, there are some really strong limiting factors concerning demographics and debt, the provision of welfare states and their sustainability. One could ask what is the basic requirement of a welfare state, which should be to mitigate the risk that all of us are exposed to in daily life.

Some people can manage to handle that by virtue of their wealth but, in truth, nobody can handle all of the risks. That is why we need collective action.

In Europe, there is something of a collective action problem at present, even for those advanced welfare states that have insisted that competence on welfare should remain at national, rather than European, level. The reasons are very understandable. The Nordic countries, for example, wanted to protect their very good welfare states. The difficulty, however, is that the structures of the EMU and single currency are centralised in Europe. Irrespective of whether one agrees with European Central Bank policy, one must conclude it has extraordinary power and independence that are not balanced in any way by any social institution within the Community. Here we are stuck; there is a decision trap for us in Europe. Unless we find some way of unravelling it, we will not be able to make the type of social progress we would wish to make to complement whatever economic progress is made. This is an extremely interesting question.

I thank the Senator for the remarks on the tenement museum. It would be very desirable to try to make it permanent, if possible. Our idea is that, as we approach 1916, the story could evolve. I do not know whether many Senators have had the opportunity to visit the museum. It is a bit different in that some scenes from 1913 are re-enacted by a theatre group. They expose the tensions among families. In the more recent piece about 1913, there was a scene about the tension between a man who was deeply involved with Larkin and the strike and his brother, who signed the pledge. Further tensions that we all know about may be included. They obviously culminate in the civil war. In educational terms, the museum can be very useful. We were extremely pleased with it and what it achieved in the short time it was in existence. If we can arrange finance for it, we will certainly try to keep it going.

I absolutely agree on youth unemployment, a most appalling problem. The real danger is that a whole generation will be affected. I doubt that any person present in this room is unaffected by it. My nephew had to go to the United States last week to try to find employment. He was the first person in my extended family who had to do so. This is happening in thousands of houses every day of the week. It really is a very difficult problem.

Senator Landy referred to collective bargaining and its shape. In this regard, Senator Bacik addressed the crucial question, namely, the definition of collective bargaining in the first instance. Their lordships in the Supreme Court adopted a very strange definition. They said there should not be an industrial relations definition of collective bargaining but a dictionary definition. The dictionary, however, states collective bargaining is defined in terms of the ILO conventions, which is crucial.

It is very much necessary to build in genuine protection for people involved in organising activity. Any employer with pockets deep enough will take the hit of paying two years' salary, or whatever, to dismiss someone. There should be a really effective instrument whereby the courts can protect a person's job and ensure he or she is not victimised in that way.

The original attempts in the 2001 and 2004 Acts were quite good attempts to sort out the issue. Many might have called them an Irish solution to an Irish problem. They worked after a fashion but not everybody bought into the solution, and that is why we ended up in the Supreme Court. I hope we will be able to address this successfully. I am hopeful legislation on this will emerge before the end of the year. Senator David Cullinane addressed this. Everybody recognises that this year brings with it a certain drive in this regard. However, I am not under any illusion that it will be easily agreed upon by all the parties concerned. The most important point is that whatever is done on this occasion should be real and enduring. It should not really be some kind of fix-up that will fall apart at the first legal challenge.

I thank Senator Barrett very much for his comments. We had very good dialogue when he was a member of NESC and I enjoyed his contributions to the body. In many ways, we came from somewhat different perspectives but the dialogue was very fruitful. We certainly miss the Senator in this regard. One of the problems with NESC at present is that it is something of a stranded asset. In the period during which it constituted the intellectual underpinning of the social partnership model, it had a much more defined role than at present. What will happen in this regard I really do not know.

The Senator asked whether we sleepwalked into the EMU. Let me admit very honestly that it did not dawn on me that, in the event of an external economic shock, the full burden of adjustment would be borne by workers. If one considers everything drawn up on this at the time, one will note that the most influential paper was probably the 1996 ESRI commentary. This does not come out very clearly. I do not know the extent to which all the policymakers knew what occurred was likely to be the case. I believe Ireland entered the process without understanding fully what the discipline of monetary union actually meant. In countries such as the Netherlands and Belgium, and even Denmark, which is not a member but which is joined at the hip, everything is done with one eye on Germany. We did not look at it that way but just proceeded to do our own thing. We did not really realise just how serious all of that was. Sometimes I am inclined to say Ireland's relationship with Europe has been a little like the Irish breakfast. We conceive of ourselves as a bit like the hen in that we were involved in the breakfast. Very shortly, however, we will be like the pig, that is, very deeply committed. I refer to getting to the stage of a much more deeply integrated union when the institutional structure of the EMU is developed fully and finally. I am assuming that what I describe will be the ultimate outcome if the single currency stays.

Senator Fiach Mac Conghail spoke about the necessity for truth. That is a very good point. Perhaps we can now begin to look at the events of 100 years ago stripped of the myths that we have all grown up with. It just occurs to me how matters evolved in Ireland. The Informer, by Liam O’Flaherty, was published in 1925. The key figure in it, a man called Gypo Nolan, a member of a communist party cell in Dublin, is involved with a guy called McPhillips who has messed up an operation and has managed to kill someone. Nolan informs on McPhillips. That is the story in the book but the film of the same name has Nolan running from the IRA, not from a communist cell. A sort of cultural transition took place. Many events of this kind happened and we should examine them frankly. The truth of the matter is that, irrespective of how heroic, brave, wonderful or bad these people were, they were all human beings like ourselves and all had flaws.

Let me address the idea of Northern Ireland. Senator O'Sullivan asked whether we did enough to deal with sectarianism in Northern Ireland. I want to relate this to a point Senator Cummins made. He spoke about the Waterford connection and the Redmonds.

One of the things we have been able to do in recent years is to take some people from the Protestant working class areas of Belfast, such as Mount Vernon, and bring them, along with some of their Nationalist fellow workers, to the Peace Village in Messines in Belgium. There is a very interesting story about Messines and Major William Redmond, who was a member of the 16th (Irish) Division which fought alongside the 36th (Ulster) Division. In one of the battles, William Redmond was injured and the man who rescued him was John Meeke, a Protestant from the 36th (Ulster) Division. Meeke managed to pull him back behind their own lines and get him some treatment but Redmond was so badly injured that he died several hours later. Major Redmond had a particular view on the reasons he was involved in the conflict. He did not want to be seen as someone who was supporting the British war machine and left instructions that he should not be buried in a military cemetery. His grave is just outside the cemetery in Messines. Ironically, Meeke, who survived for three years afterwards before eventually succumbing to his injuries, died outside the period of time when he could be legitimately buried within the military cemetery. That was his aspiration. He wanted to be buried there but could not be. Between those two characters there is an extraordinary historical bind, which is quite different from how many people in Northern Ireland perceive their heritage. Work like that can be quite useful. My colleague in Northern Ireland, Peter Bunting, has done quite a lot of work in this area, much of which is below the radar. Because of its nature, it has to be kept below the radar.

Senator Bacik referred to the question of voluntarism in industrial relations. We have a conundrum here because the voluntarist system worked very well when everybody wanted it to work. When we get to a point in any system at which the first recourse is to the courts, then we begin to migrate into a more legalistic system. We have not really found the correct water level for all of that. However, in the course of this legislation, if it is forthcoming, that issue will have to be addressed.

Yesterday the Central Bank launched a €15 coin to commemorate 1913. The launch took place in the museum in Glasnevin Cemetery, which is a beautiful facility. The irony is that if one looks out the window of the upper floor of that museum, one can see the graves of both James Larkin and William Martin Murphy. That speaks of what a tragedy the Lock-out was. It begs the question of why people should not try to agree. Should the lesson for us be that we must figure out ways of having some national agreement about the distribution of wealth in the country, rather than resorting to zero-sum conflicts? That is what our Nordic friends and, particularly, countries such as the Netherlands have managed to achieve. They have very deeply embedded institutions for that purpose. That is why I feel that institutions are so important.

In response to the Senator's key question, Congress has no position on the future of the Seanad. My personal position is that institutions of a political and labour market nature are always important in a country and should not be dispensed with unless and until one is absolutely sure there is no purpose to be served by continuing with them, or they cannot be adjusted into a better set of circumstances. It strikes me that in our new relationship with Europe, to which I referred earlier, we will have to become very deeply involved in a way that the Oireachtas has not been before. There is a big difference in the way, for example, the Danish Parliament has handled Europe and the way the Irish Parliament has handled it. In that context, there is a strong case for some institution of the Parliament, whatever it might be, to be much more deeply involved and engaged with Europe, in examining the European questions coming our way, bearing in mind our future role as the pig in these relationships.

I thank the Cathaoirleach again. It has been a great privilege and an honour to be here today.

I proffer the thanks of every Member of the House to Mr. Begg, general sectary of ICTU, on his historic visit to this House. It was a very illuminating discussion. Mr. Begg touched on many issues of both historic and current interest. We thank him for sharing his knowledge with us and for his comprehensive replies to the questions posed by Senators. In leaving us today, Mr. Begg can be assured that he carries our goodwill and best wishes for the future.

I reiterate what the Leas-Chathaoirleach has just said. It is indeed an historic occasion to have the general secretary of ICTU with us. We thank him for his most enlightening presentation and remarks, which were well received by everyone, and wish him well for the future.

Sitting suspended at 1.35 p.m. and resumed at 2 p.m.
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