Skip to main content
Normal View

Seanad Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 2 Dec 2014

Vol. 236 No. 1

Adjournment Matters

Child Care Services Provision

I welcome the Minister.

I spoke briefly to him about this issue privately a number of days ago and gave him notice that I might raise it because it had been raised with me. The issue is the serious situation at the Manor children's centre in Waterford city, where 16 staff members were served with redundancy notice by the board. I have met both the board and all members of staff in the past week. Facilitated discussions are ongoing between the board and the staff and I do not want to get into the issues because I wish both parties well in trying to resolve them.

As a former member of a voluntary board of a community development project - the boards have now been dissolved - I have sympathy with the board in the sense that it can only work with the money it has. It can only work with whatever income streams it gets to manage a project, in this case the child care centre. The board is very clear in this instance that the money is not there to meet the demand. In other words, the income is not enough to meet the expenditure. That includes the staffing levels and also running the centre. Much of this comes down to how we fund community child care places. This has been a longstanding issue for people who work in this sector and for parents who send their children to these community child care centres. There is a view that the funding is not sustainable and it is very complex and convoluted. There is also a sense that what is happening in this child care centre in Waterford is happening in many child care centres across the State and that there are serious challenges which must be met.

I know from someone who lived in the area for many years that this is a first-class centre which provides a first-class service. Over 100 children use it. It is in an area which is deemed to be marginalised and disadvantaged. It provides a vital service for people who are getting back into employment, many of them part-time workers, and it is an enormous benefit. The centre is in a great building that cost €1.5 million. This centre may close - that is how stark the reality is - and if it does, leaving aside the impact it will have on the staff and the children, what are we to do with the centre and the building in which the State invested so much money? That is how critical the issue is.

There are three issues. The first is the national funding that is provided for these centres and this centre specifically. The board has been in contact with the Minister's office and Pobal to seek extra funding. Will extra funding be made available to keep the centre open? Is there any possibility of this happening? Is the Minister aware of how serious the issue is? Is he aware how many children attend the crèche and how many families depend on it? Has he plans generally to change the funding to community crèches? Is he aware that this is not just an issue in Waterford, but that there are also issues in relation to how the crèches are funded generally, on a national scale, not just in Waterford? He might be kind enough to respond to these questions.

Bhí mé ag caint leis an Seanadóir an tseachtain seo caite mar gheall ar seo. The Manor children's centre is a community-based not-for-profit facility which has provided child care services for the local community since 2008. Community not-for-profit child care services have an important role to play in the provision of child care services, particularly for disadvantaged families. There are in the region of 900 community services providing a range of child care services for communities throughout the country. Many of these services, including the Manor children's centre, were built with capital funding provided by the State.

The Department of Children and Youth Affairs supports a number of targeted child care programmes that assist parents with the cost of child care. This funding is provided directly for child care services, both community and private, that are participating in the programmes and have children enrolled who satisfy the programmes' eligibility criteria. Annual funding allocations under the programmes are based on a year which begins each September and ends in August of the following year.

The Manor children's centre participates in the three major support programmes implemented by the Department of Children and Youth Affairs and significant funding has been provided for the service in recent years. In the year September 2013 to August 2014, funding totalling €47,800 was provided for the service for the delivery of the universal free preschool year under the early childhood care and education programme. The enrolment figures for this academic year, September 2014 to June 2015, indicate that funding in the current year will be in the region of €63,000, which is a considerable increase.

The training and employment child care programme provides funding to support eligible parents returning to the workforce or engaging in training and education courses. For the last year, funding totalling €39,700 was allocated to the Manor children's centre to provide for parents who qualified for support under the programme. To date, the enrolment figures for qualifying parents seeking child care in this facility suggest the funding generated under the programme may be considerably less than in the past year. However, it is difficult to project with accuracy the final funding figure, as it is dependent on the number of appropriate job and training opportunities that may emerge in the area and the number of parents who qualify for support under the programme.

Funding totalling €72,600 was provided for the service in the 2013-14 year under the community child care subvention programme, which supports low income and disadvantaged families. The projected overall funding for the service for the 2014-15 year will be determined when the parental return process is completed later this year. The community child care subvention programme provides support for eligible parents to meet the weekly cost of child care, with the maximum weekly support being €95 per week for a full day care place. The parent or, in some cases, Tusla would be expected to provide the balance of the cost of the weekly child care provision.

In addition to the support provided under the programmes implemented by the Department of Children and Youth Affairs which I have outlined, further funding was provided directly for the service by Tusla to help to ensure the service was able to address the considerable disadvantage experienced by some parents using the facility. I understand this strand of funding will be in the order of €5,000 in 2015.

My Department has in place advisory support for providers when issues such as this arise from time to time. This advice is provided through the local child care committee structure and nationally by Pobal. I had the pleasure of meeting the new combined Waterford City and County Childcare Committee at its initial meeting. Pobal and the child care committee are both engaging with the Manor children's centre in an effort to find a resolution to the difficulties with which the service is faced. Both organisations have considerable experience of supporting services to find solutions to sustainability, governance and management issues and will make every effort to support the Manor children's centre. My officials are in touch with Pobal regarding the centre and will continue to be informed of progress in finding a solution to the issues involved. This is an important service for the people of Waterford, the children in particular, and it is one Senator Maurice Cummins has brought to my attention, as has the Minister of State at the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Paudie Coffey.

It is welcome that Pobal and the Waterford City and County Childcare Committee are working with the board and the staff to try to find a olution and that the Minister's staff are also assisting in that regard. The problem is income provision. The board does not have enough income to sustain the service and the staff are being asked to take an 8% pay cut. Most of thee staff earn less than €250 a week. Someone who has gone through college, has a degree and is providing a first-class child care service is on less than €250 a week for a full-time job and being asked to take an 8% pay cut. That is the position in which the board has been put. It does not want to impose pay cuts of that nature, but it has no choice because, notwithstanding the figures given by the Minister, there is not enough money going into the centre to run it. We are at a crisis point as the staff are adamant that they will not take an 8% pay cut.

One must support their right to say this, particularly in view of their level of remuneration.

Where does all of this leave us? I do not want to hear that the Minister and his officials are engaged and offering support but rather that they are actively participating in finding a solution. Part of such a solution is discovering whether there is a possibility that additional funding might be made available in order to ensure the centre can meet its expenditure needs. Every organisation is obliged to cut its cloth to suit its measure but there appears to be a serious deficit between what the centre takes in and how much it costs to provide the service. However, this service is necessary for those 100 children and their parents who avail of it. The Minister referred to €70,000 in State funding being invested, but if the centre closes and if people are left without access to child care service, the cost to the State might be a great deal more.

We have had similar difficulties with other facilities in the past year. Interventions on the part of Pobal and Tusla were of assistance in resolving these difficulties. The problems that arise do not always relate to money and they can sometimes involve governance or management. The Senator referred to staff being asked to accept pay reductions. It must be acknowledged that staff were given an increase this year. In short, this is an important service that we want to be maintained. The agency and Pobal will work with the Manor children's centre to resolve existing issues.

Sports Organisations

I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy MIchael Ring.

I welcome the Minister of State back to the House. He was present last week when we engaged in a substantive debate on sport in Ireland. I wish to return to one of the topics I raised with him on that occasion. I appreciate that the matter I am raising is wide-ranging in nature and that the Minister of State has no control over direct funding for League of Ireland soccer. However, as Minister of State with responsibility for sport, as a former soccer player and as a current fan of the game, I ask him to take on board my concerns regarding the League of Ireland and its current status.

The Minister of State will be aware that the league has a long and proud history and tradition which stretches back to 1921. It was, therefore, founded in a difficult period in the country's history. It was a separate organisation, from a footballing perspective, until it merged with the Football Association of Ireland, FAI, in 2006. There were high hopes and aspirations at the time of that merger that the FAI would use its better revenue streams, resources, funding and management structure to ensure and secure the future of the League of Ireland. However, it must be conceded that League of Ireland soccer is at a very low level at present. I am advised that UEFA ranks the various national domestic soccer leagues throughout Europe and that the League of Ireland is currently ranked 40 out of 54. In fairness, the national soccer team's UEFA ranking would be higher.

There are numerous problems with the league which have been aired on many occasions, particularly during the past two to three years. I refer, for example, to the standard of facilities at most clubs, low attendances at games, the fact that so many clubs face financial disaster, the disappearance of a large number of clubs, other clubs going into administration and poor marketing and management. What can be done about this problem and who should lead the charge in respect of it? If someone such as the Minister of State were to knock heads together, progress could be made. Record numbers of people - tens of thousands at least - throughout the country play soccer each weekend and there are junior and unaffiliated clubs in virtually every parish. However, only a few thousand attend League of Ireland games. We all know how many hundreds of thousands of people watch English soccer games on television at weekends and that thousands more travel to London, Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow to watch English Premier League or Scottish Premiership games. It is tragic that these individuals do not go to watch local games.

We should aim to put in place a league structure similar to those in Scandinavian countries where there is a strong tradition of semi-professional soccer. If we were to do so, clubs here would have good facilities and we could aim to achieve attendances of between 5,000 and 10,000 at an average home game. These goals should be achievable. If we were to start from scratch, there would be two or perhaps three clubs in Dublin and strong clubs in Cork, Limerick, Athlone, Dundalk, Drogheda, Donegal - where Finn Harps is the leading club - Sligo, Wexford, Longford and Galway. The obvious population centres are there to support League of Ireland soccer, but we need to give consideration to marketing, developing facilities and improving management structures. A total of 17,000 people attended the FAI Cup Final, the domestic season's showcase game. I am sure the Minister of State, had he been in a position to do so, would also have attended. I congratulate St. Patrick's Athletic on its great win, but the turnout at the final was disappointing, particularly when one compares it with the sizes of the crowds which attend national football and hurling league games and European Rugby Champions Cup games, not to mention all-Ireland quarter finals, semi finals or finals.

I appreciate that the Minister of State's hands are tied to some extent. However, he could show great leadership in the context of trying to save the League of Ireland. He is renowned for the work he is doing within the Department and long may such work continue. He could leave a very strong legacy behind if he were to become the person responsible for saving and redeveloping the League of Ireland. If clubs from Scandinavian and the new eastern European countries can compete on a serious level in the Europa League or the UEFA Champions League, it should be possible for semi-professional clubs in Ireland to aspire to appear on the same stage at some point in the future. It is rather embarrassing to see Irish clubs being knocked out in the preliminary rounds or first round of these competitions. One can almost predict the results in advance. What is happening at present is not good enough. If we can put the proper structures, management and financial models in place, we can turn matters around. However, leadership is going to be required. I do not think there is sufficient leadership in respect of the League of Ireland project at present. The people working to advance the cause of Irish soccer from an international perspective are doing a good job. However, major tournaments at this level only occur once every two years and we do not always qualify for them. We need to concentrate our efforts on the League of Ireland, which is in operation for 30 or 35 weeks each year.

I ask the Minister of State to reflect on this matter. I appreciate that he will be limited in terms of the way in which he can respond to the matter I have raised. However, I request that he take a personal interest in trying to save the League of Ireland because it is going down the drain.

In the first instance, I propose to only read part of my prepared script before responding directly to the points the Senator has raised. The script I have been asked to deliver does not relate to the matters to which he refers.

I thank the Senator for raising this important topic and I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak on it. I am aware of his concern about League of Ireland football. However, I have no role in this matter. The development of League of Ireland football is entirely a matter for the FAI which is an independent sports organisation. The funding provided for the FAI by the Irish Sports Council is ring-fenced for the non-professional elements of the sport and it is mainly focused on programmes aimed at increasing young people's participation in football.

I agree with the sentiments expressed by the Senator. He is quite correct; I am a footballing person and I have a great interest in the League of Ireland. I attended the FAI Cup Final two years ago when Drogheda United played Sligo Rovers. I watch football on RTE, Sky Sports and the "Match of the Day" programme on Saturday and Sunday nights on BBC. The best game of live football I saw in the past four or five years was the cup final two years ago. The Drogheda United and Sligo Rovers players gave 100% on the day and the goals scored and standard of play were as good as one might see anywhere else.

The Senator is correct that every weekend thousands of Irish fans go to games in Liverpool, Manchester and Derby, but only half of them go to the Irish games in Ireland. There were only 17,000 people at the FAI Cup Final in a stadium that could hold twice that number

I agree that League of Ireland football is important. Three or four former League of Ireland players are playing in the Premiership in England and Seamus Coleman, to name one, is playing with Everton. Let me tell Members what I have seen happen to clubs in the Premiership, the investors came in and invested money, but they sold off the grounds and the fan base and destroyed the clubs. Some of the clubs in Britain were taken over by multimillionaires with multinational companies who had no real interest in football and for whom it was a part-time interest. Like many in this country, I love my football - I support Leeds United.

The Irish Sports Council administers the funds on my behalf to the national governing bodies of sport. Some €1,510,000 was allocated to support grassroots football in 2014. A sum of €333,503 was allocated to soccer education in 2014. We gave €346,330 to the FAI for its emerging talent programme in order that young people with a talent would be given an opportunity to broaden their horizons. Some go abroad to play football. Funding of €885,066 was allocated to support the FAI's central and regional development staff throughout the country. We do the same type of funding for GAA and the Irish Rugby Football Union. We gave €142,500 to specified elements of the FAI's women in sport programme. That is one programme that has worked. We now see an Irish player, Stephanie Roche, who I have been told scored the goal of the century, getting rave reviews this week and I hope many Irish people vote for her. I hope she wins the FIFA award.

To respond to the Senator, I will talk to Mr. John Delaney at the first opportunity. I have spoken to him before and will relay the Senator's concerns to him. I know that the Senator is a strong League of Ireland supporter and a strong supporter of Cork. I would like to see a strong League of Ireland. I am aware that the FAI has restructured the League of Ireland and the clubs which were in serious financial difficulty. Some of the clubs are still struggling with debts from the past, but the FAI has put in place good structures and does not allow them to spend more than they are actually taking in or to pay more than they can afford to players. This has worked very well. We now have 20 teams in the League of Ireland, with ten clubs in each division. It is great to see a team, such as Dundalk which had not won the league for many years, win it this year. It is great also to see Galway United come back into the premiership and Longford Town coming back up. In the past it was Dublin, Cork, Dundalk and Athlone that controlled the League of Ireland, but it is nice to see it spreading out to rural Ireland. I would like to see a stronger league in the years ahead.

I will take up the issue with the FAI to see if there is anything that can be done. We should have a stronger base for League of Ireland football. One only needs to look at the fine quality players who have developed during their career with the League of Ireland and have gone abroad. They have done very well. I would like to see the management of the Irish team try to bring on one or two League of Ireland players and give them an opportunity with the Irish team. However, I acknowledge that every game and victory are important.

I thank the Minister of State.

The Seanad adjourned at 6.10 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 3 December 2014.
Top
Share