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Seanad Éireann debate -
Thursday, 9 Feb 2017

Vol. 249 No. 17

Protected Disclosures by Members of An Garda Síochána: Statements

I thank Members of this House for agreeing to statements being taken on this important matter in the House today. As the House will be aware, I have laid the relevant material before the House to give full effect to the recommendations of Mr. Justice O'Neill.

However, before moving to seek approval for the relevant motion I believe it is sensible that we discuss these matters here first. I am already persuaded from discussion which I have had that there may be some improvements which can be made to put beyond doubt that certain matters will come within the remit of the commission. I intend to reflect on what is said here and make any amendment to the proposed draft order in the light of those discussions.

As Mr. Justice O'Neill indicated, it is imperative that certain allegations be examined and I believe we should stick as closely as possible to the terms of reference he proposed. After all we appointed him and gave him terms of reference for the initial inquiry. He has considered all the issues and made a series of recommendations which I have laid before the House.

In the other House, Deputies made this point and I am sure Senators will agree. It is important to do this in as timely a way as possible in order that we can get to the truth. We have allegations and we need to get to the truth of the matters.

Mr. Justice O'Neill who has examined all these issues to date does not know if the allegations he says should be inquired into are true. I do not know if they are true, nor does any other Member of this House. What we have are allegations. I acknowledge the allegations are very serious and if they are found to be true, they inevitably will have very serious consequences. We must remember that the truth or otherwise of allegations is not determined by their seriousness or their frequency but by the facts. I am determined that those facts should be established. I am very grateful that Mr. Justice Peter Charleton of the Supreme Court has agreed to act as the commission. I take the opportunity to thank him and indeed Mr. Justice Iarfhlaith O'Neill for the work that has already been done in a very timely way.

It is of the utmost importance that allegations of wrongdoing by members of An Garda Síochána are fully addressed. An Garda Síochána occupies a critical part of our democracy. It is essential that trust is maintained in An Garda Síochána and that citizens can have that trust because of the serious work that they do daily. We have seen many examples of that in recent weeks. These are very serious allegations, which is why, within four days of receiving allegations in the form of a protected disclosure from two members of An Garda Síochána last October, I asked Mr. Justice O'Neill to review the allegations and recommend what further action might be taken. While it is not possible for legal and constitutional reasons, on the legal advice that I have received, to publish his full report, I have set out in the statement of reasons before the House the conclusions and recommendations made in his report and full terms of reference. I have followed what he recommended in full. The priority has to be to give full effect to his recommendations.

I want to address suggestions the Garda Commissioner should stand aside. I have to speak out in favour of fairness. There has been absolutely no finding of wrongdoing against the Garda Commissioner and I believe in the circumstances that she is entitled to our full confidence. It is a matter of fact, too, that Mr. Justice O'Neill did not recommend that she or anyone else should stand aside; rather, he said these are allegations and that he could not determine the truth of them but that a commission of investigation should examine them because they are serious. They are about a very senior level in An Garda Síochána. It would have been outrageous if such a smear campaign as has been alleged took place against the whistleblowers.

I spend much of my time as Minister for Justice and Equality ensuring we have the strongest possible protections for whistleblowers and that the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission, GSOC, is empowered to take complaints from An Garda Síochána. It is now setting up a special protected disclosure unit, which the Government will support. It would be outrageous if people were to be targeted in such a fashion as is being alleged. The consequences would be very serious. I am conscious that in recent years, An Garda Síochána has been hit by a series of controversies and it was against that background that I moved to introduce significant reforms, including the establishment of the Policing Authority. It is a sea change in policing in this country to have an independent Policing Authority which will grow, develop and have that oversight of An Garda Síochána, as well as having the ability to have public meetings, as it has done already. We have also strengthened the legislation in respect of GSOC and I recently announced that I would also carry out a ten-year review of the GSOC legislation. I met Ms Justice Mary Ellen Ring, who is its excellent chair. Similarly, Ms Josephine Feehily is doing a really good job as chair of the Policing Authority.

All of these reforms will take time to bed down. Reform is ongoing in An Garda Síochána. It has to be ongoing. It does not happen overnight. Every action that I have taken from the point of view of resources and stronger legislation has been with the goal of having a respected and efficient force in which the public can have confidence. In the meantime, we have to deal with issues which arise by putting procedures in place to ensure allegations are fully and fairly investigated. That is exactly what is being done in the proposal to establish a commission of investigation. While today is about statements and hearing Members' views, we will return to the House with the details of the draft order.

I thank the Tánaiste for her statement.

Fianna Fáil welcomes the decision to launch a commission of investigation into the allegations of a Garda-managed smear campaign against Garda whistleblowers. The establishment of a formal inquiry to examine these serious allegations is necessary. Fianna Fáil has been clear in saying that such an investigation is needed. We look forward to Mr. Justice Peter Charleton working towards a speedy conclusion to his investigation in order that we can get to the truth of these matters as soon as possible. We also propose a number of amendments to the commission's proposed terms of references. I also bear in mind what the Minister said about sticking as closely as possible to existing proposals and consequently the proposed amendments are limited but we feel they are necessary.

As we know, the investigation stems from the publication of the O'Higgins report on alleged Garda malpractice. However, Fianna Fáil is concerned about the contents of transcripts of proceedings at the O'Higgins commission of investigation. These leaked transcripts appear to indicate that counsel for the Garda Commissioner was questioning the credibility and motivation of the whistleblower, Sergeant Maurice McCabe. The transcripts state the instructions were at all times to challenge the motivation and credibility of Sergeant McCabe with regard to the corruption and malpractice allegations. We believe it is crucial for the Commissioner to clarify the situation whereby her statement that she does not and has never regarded Sergeant McCabe as malicious seems to undermine her instructions to her counsel to the O'Higgins commission of investigation.

Yesterday, the Labour Party leader, Deputy Brendan Howlin, used his Dáil privilege to tell how a journalist alleged to him that Commissioner O'Sullivan had made very serious allegations of sexual crimes about Garda whistleblower Sergeant Maurice McCabe to journalists in 2013 and 2014. Fianna Fáil believes that Deputy Brendan Howlin's statements in the Dáil yesterday were inappropriate and unfair. It is unfair to both Garda Commissioner O'Sullivan and Sergeant McCabe and it is completely inappropriate that Deputies use this privilege afforded to them to generate publicity for their own purposes. We support the Commissioner staying in place pending the outcome of these investigations into allegations. People should not automatically have to step aside when there are allegations, as this will prejudice their position. We are happy for her to stay in place pending the outcome of the investigation in order that a speedy outcome can be found to these allegations. Furthermore, the consequence of such a commission would be that any subject of a commission inquiry would have to resign. That is unfair. The most important thing is that truth is established in a speedy fashion.

Fianna Fáil will propose a number of amendments to the terms of reference while sticking as closely as possible to the outlined terms of reference. We want to know what knowledge former Commissioner Callinan or Commissioner O'Sullivan had of these allegations of criminal misconduct made against Sergeant McCabe and whether they acted on it in a manner intended to discredit Sergeant McCabe. We also want the commission to investigate contact between An Garda Síochána and the media or members of Government or both. This inclusion of Government is very important, given the circumstances surrounding the resignation of former Commissioner Callinan and the general running of the Department of Justice and Equality under Fine Gael, which has been farcical and has resulted in unprecedented scandals, mismanagement, investigations and resignations in the justice sector.

Fianna Fáil is committed to An Garda Síochána being active, visible and effective in our communities and oversight and accountability are crucial to this end. People depend on An Garda Síochána to feel safe in their communities and to uphold the rule of law. That is why it is important that their elected representatives in the Oireachtas hold the police force to account. We welcome the decision and look forward to a speedy conclusion.

I thank the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality for coming today, reading her statement and bringing Members up to date. I think it is a measure of the esteem in which she holds the Seanad. I appreciate her coming in and taking the time today. It is a time for measured response. We have heard a lot of criticism about the use and abuse of privilege in both Houses of the Oireachtas. This is not the time for that.

Everyone is entitled to justice. These are allegations. There is no prima facie evidence against anyone. Everyone is entitled to due process and fair play. Setting up a commission of investigation headed by a judge is the right thing to do. As parliamentarians, we are also entitled to fairness and due process, as is everyone in the State. That is guaranteed by the Constitution.

I note that when the Taoiseach was interview by RTE in Warsaw this afternoon, he reiterated that he and the Government had full confidence in the Garda Commissioner. This is to be expected and is reasonable and fair. He went on to say these are mere allegations. IMr. Justice Iarfhlaith O'Neill could not-----

As the Order of the House is that spokespersons only have five minutes, I am interrupting the Senator in case he and Senator Gerard P. Craughwell wish to share time, with the agreement of the House.

I am happy to share time.

Is that agreeable to the House? Agreed.

At the end of the day, witnesses will be compelled to give evidence in the case, which is fair. I also noted that Deputy Jim O'Callaghan raised two issues. The Minister has accepted two reasonable amendments in the House. The first is to address the issue of whether the former Commissioner, Martin Callinan, and the current Commissioner, Nóirín O'Sullivan, had knowledge of the allegations of criminal misconduct being made against Sergeant McCabe and whether they used this to discredit him. Second, the Minister covered the context involving gardaí and members of Government regarding allegations of a smear campaign against Sergeant McCabe. This is reasonable and fair. Will the Minister confirm that this is the case? I presume she will have to bring this back to Cabinet for approval. Could she confirm that? I thank her for coming to the House.

These are difficult times. As one who has worn a uniform in the past and whose brother was a member of An Garda Síochána, I am deeply saddened by what is happening. I am sure it is extremely uncomfortable for the Minister because I believe she is an excellent Minister for Justice and Equality. We need to broaden this out and find out exactly what is happening and how far and how deep into the organisation it goes because it is unfair on those young men and women who are out on the streets every night of the week keeping this country safe.

I am desperately sorry for the Commissioner if she has done nothing wrong, but we do not know whether she has done anything wrong. Unlike Senator Victor Boyhan, if I was in the Commissioner's position, I would step aside and allow a clear investigation to take place. In respect of the original investigation, what instructions were given in order that only the complaint about the superintendent ended up being investigated? There are so many ongoing whistleblower cases in An Garda Síochána. Sergeant McCabe has been put through the ringer to the point where his career was almost destroyed. I do not know how anybody in uniform who is tied up in this could want to stay in uniform until they regain the respect of the force because with all these allegations, the respect of the force is gone. It is terrible and sad. It is not what the Minister would want and it is certainly not what I would want. I am sure the Commissioner would not want it. It must be the most uncomfortable position to be in. One of her own lieutenants is making the most serious allegations against her and her former boss. We cannot turn a blind eye to this. It is a matter of grave concern. I do not know how it will be solved, but we need a root and branch examination.

I thank the Leas-Cathaoirleach for his forbearance and time.

I welcome the Minister's statement in the House and the proposal to establish a commission of investigation. Mr. Justice Peter Charleton is eminently suitable to carry out this role and will do so in a diligent and fair manner and get to the bottom of any allegations. I have had occasion to deal with him in the past and find him to be a person of the utmost integrity. Therefore, I salute the Minister on her choice of individual to lead up this. It is important to get the motion right. IThe Minister is going about it in the correct way through discussing and taking on board appropriate and constructive suggestions from both Houses.

It is regrettable that Senator Lorraine Clifford-Lee decided to make significant political charges that are clearly not true. It is fair to say we reopened the Garda College in Templemore, which had been closed by the Fianna Fáil Government. It is correct that we now have protected disclosures legislation. We established the O'Higgins commission of investigation to identify shortcomings in the Department of Justice and Equality during the 15 years during which Senator Lorraine Clifford-Lee's party was in government. Those changes have been implemented. We have a very fine Minister for Justice and Equality who is pushing through significant reforms and bringing credibility back to the Department and all the policing services. We now have a Policing Authority which only last week introduced a code of ethics for An Garda Síochána. All these moves re-establish credibility in the justice system, including the Department of Justice and Equality, and must be welcomed. The work the Minister has done can be seen in the Behaviour & Attitudes survey, which is carried out on an annual basis by An Garda Síochána, in spite of everything that has been said here and in other fora. The Garda enjoys the confidence of 86% of the public, up from 68% a number of years ago; therefore, it is not all bad.

I regret what happened yesterday in the other House and said so this morning. I know that the Committee on Procedure and Privileges is preparing a note on parliamentary privilege because it is a unique and very important right we have as elected Members of the Oireachtas. I do not believe Deputy Brendan Howlin's actions yesterday were appropriate. His car-crash interview on "Morning Ireland" has demonstrated even to himself that his actions were not appropriate. His reaction after the clip of Deputy Jim O'Callaghan was played was pitiful, given that he has 30 years experience in Dáil Éireann, far more experience than any of us. We must all be careful. We all have responsibilities. We will, as part of a collaborative effort between all parties, get the motion right in terms of the establishment of the commission of investigation. At that stage, we should let Mr. Justice Charleton go about his business and do his work without any ongoing public discourse about his work.

The Commissioner enjoys my full support and that of Fine Gael and the Government, which I think is appropriate. The one thing we pride ourselves on in this country is our commitment to fairness, due process and the principle of innocent until proved otherwise. This is appropriate. I do not agree with Senator Gerard P. Craughwell that the Commissioner should stand aside because that in itself is an admission that there are questions and issues to be answered. It is up to Mr. Justice Charleton and the commission of investigation to establish what questions must be answered and whether they have been answered properly, effectively and appropriately. It would be best for us to get the terms of reference for the commission of investigation right and then let Mr. Justice Charleton get on with his business.

Sinn Féin welcomes the publication of the terms of reference for the commission of investigation into whistleblower allegations concerning An Garda Síochána and the most senior levels of Garda management. Despite Senator Martin Conway's assertion, public confidence in An Garda Síochána is at an all-time low and one could not blame any individual Garda for there being low morale throughout the force.

The commission of investigation will investigate the allegation made by Superintendent David Taylor that he was directed by the former Garda Commissioner Martin Callinan and-or the current Garda Commissioner, Nóirín O'Sullivan, to brief the media negatively against Sergeant Maurice McCabe; whether Superintendent David Taylor was directed to draw journalists' attention to the allegation of criminal misconduct made by Sergeant McCabe and that this was the root of the motivation for whistleblowing by him; whether there were contacts between members of An Garda Síochána and journalists about Sergeant Maurice McCabe and whether it was Commissioner O'Sullivan who had orchestrated an RTE broadcast purporting to be a leaked account of the unpublished O'Higgins report that branded Sergeant Maurice McCabe as a liar and irresponsible; and why former Garda Commissioner Martin Callinan met Deputy John McGuinness in a car park, what the purpose of that meeting was and what was discussed that day.

While Sinn Féin recognises that the commission of investigation has "discretion in relation to the scope of the investigation it considers necessary and appropriate to achieve the general objective of the investigation", we would like to see the terms of reference amended to ensure that communications between members of An Garda Síochána and members of the Government and the Oireachtas and other State agencies relevant to these matters are also examined. The commission and the allegations at the centre of it made by Superintendent David Taylor are the latest in a long list of controversies and issues that have plagued An Garda Síochána in recent years, from the penalty points to the Fennelly, Cooke and Guerin reports and so on. If there were more meetings beyond that between former Commissioner Martin Callinan and Deputy John McGuinness, we need to be informed of what discussions took place. The allegations go to the heart of Garda management and, as a result, Sinn Féin has asked the Garda Commissioner, Nóirín O'Sullivan, to step aside, without prejudice, for the duration of the commission of investigation as she has been specifically named in these allegations. Sinn Féin did the same in the North when we requested that Arlene Foster step aside for the duration of an investigation into the renewable heat incentive scheme. As stated previously, this is no reflection on Commissioner O'Sullivan or a comment on the veracity of the allegations. It is, rather, a statement for the need for continued public confidence in the operation of An Garda Síochána.

I thank the Senator.

I thank Members for their contributions which I have noted on this important matter. Before finalising the terms of reference, I was very keen to hear the views of Members of the Dáil and the Seanad. I am open to making improvements that can be agreed to the terms of reference. I have already indicated that I am open to accepting amendments that will clarify the two issues which Senator Fintan Warfield and the Fianna Fáil spokesperson referenced. I will support the inclusion of those in an appropriate way in the terms of reference. That is to put it beyond doubt that any allegations around a criminal charge, which may have formed part of any sort of a smear campaign, would be very clear in the terms of reference. Deputy Jim O'Callaghan felt this was not clear enough and I am happy to amend the terms of reference in order to clarify that point.

I also have no difficulty with including members of the Government. I note that the Sinn Féin representative, Senator Fintan Warfield, has suggested the inclusion of Deputies and perhaps Senators, but I make the point that we want the report to be timely and the more we extend the terms of reference, the longer it will take to get the outcome of the commission. For this reason, I am more inclined to confine it to members of the Government. We have already included the media and members of Government in the current terms of reference regarding whether contacts were made in the way that has been suggested. I assure Senator Boyhan that I will do this, as I said.

Reference was made to other whistleblowers, but the judge did not recommend that other whistleblowers be included in the terms of reference. He said this was a unique situation involving very serious allegations. I do not talk about individual cases obviously, but there are cases involving other whistleblowers before the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission, GSOC, which is charged with investigating complaints against gardaí. It is setting up a protected disclosure unit and I believe we must arrive at a point where people, whether it is in An Garda Síochána or elsewhere, have confidence in the mechanisms in place to investigate their complaints. We must ensure there are sustainable and consistent places where whistleblowers can go where they know that appropriate processes will be brought forward and people in place in order that their complaints will be dealt with in detail.

I will return to the House with an amended motion at an appropriate time.

When is it proposed to sit again?

At 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 14 February 2017.

The Seanad adjourned at 5.15 p.m. until 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday, 14 February 2017.
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