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Seanad Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 25 Apr 2018

Vol. 257 No. 8

Commencement Matters

Summer Works Scheme

I ask the Minister for Education and Skills to outline the budget and timescales for the roll-out of the summer works scheme 2018. We have spent in the region of €80 million on the summer works scheme in the past few years, and work has been done on almost 700 schools. It has been a very successful scheme. It is run by the Department and involves small and medium-sized works being done by the school in the summer when the school is closed. It has been very helpful for schools which need minor or, indeed, major upgrades, whether this is wiring, plumbing or issues regarding moving walls, playgrounds, etc. I acknowledge the significant work done by the Department and congratulate the Minister on the way he has dealt with priorities, with Nos. 1 to 6 on the list having been completed, while 7 to 10 have not been dealt with.

Is the Minister proposing a new summer works scheme for this year? New applicants could be incorporated within priorities Nos. 1 to 6. What is the timescale? We are two months away from schools rising and builders are becoming hard to get as there is a shortage of plumbers, electricians and masons at the moment. Builders and tradesmen have traditionally looked on the scheme as something they can bank on for the summer months but are now so busy that their availability may become an issue, something school principals also worry about.

Is the Minister proposing to move onto priorities Nos. 7 to 10? Will he take new priorities 1 to 6? When will this be announced and what is the proposed budget?

The summer works scheme is designed to allow schools to carry out small and medium-scale building works that will improve and upgrade existing school buildings. This has given flexibility to schools and has been very worthwhile. This scheme is additional to other capital funding schemes that are operated by the Department, such as the additional accommodation scheme and the emergency works scheme for projects of such urgency that they would prevent some or all of the school from opening, and minor works schemes.

The summer works scheme is a multi-annual scheme. The Senator will be aware that over 1,650 schools, nearly 50% of schools, applied for inclusion under the current round of the scheme which reflects a very high demand. To date, almost €80 million has been approved under the current round of the scheme, in respect of 635 school projects, 464 primary and 171 post-primary schools, for gas, electrical upgrades, mechanical, sanitation and roof improvement works.

Details of the successful school applicants are published on the Department’s website. The Senator is seeking clarity on the position for 2018. The position is that over €25 million will be spent on summer works projects in 2018. This expenditure will enable the remaining approved improvement works for the 178 schools nationwide to be completed. These works will be carried out by the schools themselves on a devolved basis mainly over the summer months, so the disruption to students, teachers and other school staff will be kept to a minimum. Furthermore, the Department intends to engage with the relevant education partners on giving schools a better lead-in period for planning and delivering projects under the summer works scheme from 2019 onwards. While the summer works scheme is hugely successful in enabling small scale refurbishment works to be done on a devolved basis, the Department considers that the operation of the scheme could be improved by providing a better lead-in period for schools rather than in the second quarter as in previous years. This will also help ensure that works done under the summer works scheme fit better with any wider refurbishment and energy retrofit plans that may be done at schools under the increased funding provided by the national development plan. The engagement with education partners will commence shortly and will assist in developing a better timeframe for the planning and delivery of summer works for 2019 onwards.

There is little I can add to that. I would like to acknowledge and thank the Minister for his very comprehensive response to my Commencement matter. It is very important that a €25 million budget has been announced here today. It is a very positive step and I thank the Minister.

I thank the Senator for raising it. He raised the priorities 7 to 10. It is my intention that those would be reached in time. If a scheme is announced for all the categories, I would not start a new scheme until we had given priorities under all the different headings a chance to participate. We need a better planning approach. The really positive thing in the national development plan is that we are now setting aside €2.5 billion for deep refurbishment and retrofitting of schools. This will be a very significant commitment of capital for the longer term to strengthen the fibre of our schools. Perhaps it has not been remarked upon but it is a very significant part of the ten year plan.

Supported Residential Accommodation Provision

I welcome Minister of State, Deputy Jim Daly. I call Senator Mulherin.

I welcome the Minister of State to the Chamber. I am seeking clarity and reassurance from the Minister of State for residents of Áras Attracta, Swinford, County Mayo, and their families on the future of their residence at the Áras Attracta site. After the terrible revelations in the RTÉ report in 2014, the McCoy report was commissioned. One of a number of recommendations in the report when it was published in September 2016 was that the residents in the facility would be placed in the community over a five year period. I understand some residents have moved, but most are still in situ. Will that recommendation be adhered to to the letter of the law? To what extent will families be consulted? In the case of the particular resident whose details I have supplied to the Minister of State, the family have not been consulted and they do not know what is happening, nor does their brother who is a resident in the facility. Does the Minister of State think it is a fair and proper way to proceed?

In the survey done leading up to the report, it was found that the majority of residents were very happy in Áras Attracta and with the care they were receiving, as were their families. Most of the residents are over 60 years of age and most have lived in Áras Attracta all their lives. There is a fear and a concern that people will be forced into the community against their wishes. This also ignores the fact that Áras Attracta is the residents' home, that some people have complex medical needs and that the community may not be the place for them. They are getting older and these conditions are not improving.

I also note that it is current policy to put people with intellectual disabilities into community settings. I understand that but we are talking about an older cohort of residents here. I know that for the most part, no new resident has been admitted since 1992. This facility opened in 1988. There is a case for residents and families to be listened to. In our drive to modernise, the focus should be on making sure that Áras Attracta is safe, secure and provides the necessary social and medical care.

I mention the various recommendations, including more activities for residents and that residents be given an opportunity for education and so on and issues around the physical building, including that two people should not share a room. All these things can be addressed on site. A statement needs to be made because there has been an awful lot of speculation about this. I would like a commitment that no residents will be placed in the community if they and their families are not in agreement with it. The Minister of State would allay a lot of fears if that commitment was given. After that, I would expect due consultation and a commitment in respect of the facilities there which need to be upgraded. There is a swimming pool there and, as I understand it, it is rarely, if ever, used. There is a lot of potential in Áras Attracta. It is a fine facility and it has given great service to the area, notwithstanding what happened. What happened, in terms of what gave rise to the report, means that work must be done to address those issues. I am not convinced that placing people in the community is a meaningful development in their care or a meaningful step towards improving their circumstances.

I thank Senator Mulherin for raising this important issue. I begin by emphasising the Government’s strong commitment to the provision of appropriate residential care to people with disabilities. Congregated settings are those defined as a residential setting where people live with ten or more people. Áras Attracta is an old style congregated setting and this Government is committed to working with residents to move them out of these types of settings and into independent community living. Institutional care is not in keeping with best practice and at its worst it breaches an individual’s basic human rights. International evidence also demonstrates that the outcomes for individuals are always better in the community. Key to this is personal choice. Individuals may choose to live on their own in an apartment-type residential setting, others may choose to live with a number of close friends and others with more significant needs may require homes that are purpose built. There cannot be a one size fits all approach. The level and configuration of the supports should meet the needs of individuals and support them to live a life of their choice.

At the end of December 2017, there were fewer than 2,400 people with a disability living in congregated settings. The HSE has prioritised the transition of 170 people in 2018 under its service plan. I understand that Áras Attracta has been identified as a priority case. All residents will move over the next few years to a home in the community and the Áras Attracta campus will close as a disability service. I am informed by the HSE that a number of houses throughout County Mayo have been purchased. These will be refurbished while there will also be some new properties built to suit residents' needs. The work on the first of these houses was completed and the first house opened in November 2017. Since then three more houses have opened with the fourth house expected to open next month. There are advanced plans to open a further six houses in 2018 with a further four planned next year.

The McCoy report published in 2016 highlighted a significant number of shortcomings in regard to residents’ safety, care and well-being. The HSE has put a large amount of time and resources into addressing these issues in the intervening years. In recent inspections of the campus, the Health Information and Quality Authority, HIQA, has confirmed evidence of definite improvements, noting that the HSE has demonstrated a governance regime that will ensure quality and safety. Most importantly there is evidence of a transformation leading to an enhanced quality of life for residents. Notwithstanding these important improvements to the safety and well-being of residents, it is still the case that international evidence demonstrates that the outcomes for individuals are always better in the community.

The HSE continues to work with registered housing bodies, Mayo County Council and other stakeholders to identify further accommodation to facilitate the decongregation of Áras Attracta. The HSE is working to ensure that the process of transitioning to appropriate living in the community is underpinned by meaningful engagement with residents, their families and key stakeholders.

This engagement becomes more active when a home is identified for a resident. I am informed by the HSE that the resident mentioned by Senator Mulherin in her question will not be moving to a home in the community this year. All residents at Áras Attracta will move over the next few years to a new home in the community and the HSE is working with residents and their families throughout this process.

I am very concerned about the proposals relating to the community setting. The Minister said that addressing issues at Áras Attracta was a priority for the HSE but, just a couple of months ago, HIQA was threatening to close down the facility, despite all the investment there has been. HIQA withdrew its plan but the facility was clearly not achieving the desired outcome. What faith can we have that things will be sorted out in a community setting? I do not believe that people at this stage of their lives should be forced into the community. The individual to whom I refer has autism and a number of complex needs and living in an unfamiliar environment is a traumatic experience for such a person.

I do not see any sense in the plan. I respect experts but these are people who have been institutionalised for most of their lives. They are not of the younger generation, who might be better treated in the community. I worked in a hospital similar to Áras Attracta for five months a number of years ago, where I dealt with people with profound intellectual disabilities. They tried to implement the same policies as we are trying to implement in Ireland and I am not convinced they are for everybody. If we are to go beyond lip service and give the residents care and privacy, we owe it to them to upgrade Áras Attracta and to allow those who want to remain there for the rest of their days to do so. We should make it a healthy and happy environment for them as that is the humane option, rather than what is being suggested at the moment.

None of us has a monopoly on wisdom or always knows the right things to do in these cases, as they are difficult and change is always difficult. However, we have to be guided by best practice internationally and research shows that people thrive outside congregated settings in communities, where they will still be supported, assisted and helped in communal living accommodation at which they will also have company. The decision to move away from congregated settings was taken a long time ago and it is not just an issue for Mayo - it is an issue for the entire country. It is a challenge and change is difficult, particularly for the residents in this case but they will be at the forefront of the minds of people in the HSE as they make their decisions.

People sometimes have to transition, such as when they leave their own homes to go to nursing homes, and transition is part of change. We have to look to the best interests of residents and that sometimes means moving them to new community settings to be supported and assisted. The change will have to be managed but it has been done very successfully in many other areas and it can and should be done in Mayo.

Garda Stations

I tabled my Commencement matter, on a Garda station for the Castletroy area of Limerick, because I have had a number of calls recently, especially from older people in the community, about the fact that they have to use the Garda station in Henry Street in Limerick, which is approximately 5 km away from where they live. They are conscious of how busy gardaí are and those in Henry Street cover the area out to Bruff, which is a large area. One lady wanted to report a bogus caller but, because of the system, it took three days for the community garda to come back to her. She was concerned for the welfare of some of her neighbours.

Castletroy was originally a separate town from the city of Limerick and has a population of over 16,000, with a student population of some 20,000. With a total of 36,000, it is the largest suburb in Munster and encompasses Annacotty, Lisnagry, Milford and Monaleen, which were also separate areas at one stage. The University of Limerick is on its doorstep and there are a lot of industries growing at a very fast rate. Gardaí are doing a very good job and Limerick has been very lucky in recently receiving one of the new pilot cars with a computer inside it and enhanced Wi-Fi, which is like a Garda station in itself. The residents, however, want a station on their doorstep, even for simple things such as getting a passport signed or to report petty crimes. There is not a huge crime problem in Castletroy but the residents feel very vulnerable without a visible station and gardaí on the ground

The Senator will appreciate that the Garda Commissioner is responsible for carrying on, managing and controlling generally the administration and business of An Garda Síochána. He holds primary responsibility for the effective and efficient use of the resources available to An Garda Síochána, including in relation to the opening and closing of Garda stations. As Minister, I have no direct role in the matter. I understand that Garda management keeps under review the overall policing arrangements, including the operation of Garda stations and the assignment of personnel throughout the State, having regard to factors including crime trends, policing needs and other operational strategies in place on a district, divisional and regional level. This ensures that the optimum use is made of Garda resources and that the best possible Garda service is provided to the public.

The Garda Síochána building and refurbishment programme 2016-2021 includes a number of projects which reflect the priorities of An Garda Síochána. Provision of a Garda station in Castletroy, Limerick, is not included in this programme. I very much understand that people want a visible Garda presence in their own locality. In this context, the programme for Government commits to ensuring a strong and visible police presence throughout the country in order to maintain and strengthen community engagement, provide reassurance to citizens and deter crime. A cornerstone of this commitment is the Government plan to achieve an overall Garda workforce of 21,000 personnel by 2021 comprising 15,000 sworn Garda members, 2,000 reserve members and 4,000 civilians. Further, the Government’s Capital Plan 2016-2021 provides €46 millìon for investment in the Garda fleet, to ensure that An Garda Síochána has a modern, effective and fit-for-purpose fleet. This is in addition to the investment of almost €30 million in the period 2013 to 2015. In total, almost €44 million has been invested in the fleet in the period from 2013 to end of 2017, with some 2,000 vehicles coming on stream in that period.

I am informed by the Commissioner that the overall strength of the Limerick division as of 28 February 2018, the latest date for which figures are available, was 559. In addition, I am informed that as at 22 March 2018, some 80 vehicles were available to the Limerick division. I am further advised the area referred to by Senator Byrne is policed by the Henry Street Garda district. The strength in Henry Street was 312 as of 28 February. Where required and appropriate, the work of local Garda in the Limerick division is further supported by a number of Garda national units such as the armed support unit, the national bureau of criminal investigation, the Garda national economic crime bureau and the Garda national drugs and organised crime bureau. The Senator will be aware that the closure of the Garda College in 2010 and the moratorium imposed at that time had a negative impact on Garda numbers across all divisions, including in Limerick. Since the Government reopened the college in September 2014, just under 1,800 recruits have attested as members of An Garda Síochána and have been assigned to mainstream duties nationwide. Of these, 36 have been assigned to the Henry Street Garda district. I understand the point made by Senator Byrne about the Castletroy area. I have taken careful note of what she said.

I expect the ongoing recruitment process will support all Garda activities and enhance visibility within our communities, enabling the Garda Commissioner to provide additional resources across all divisions in accordance with identified operational need as new Garda recruits continue to come on stream. The 2005 Act provides for the establishment of a joint policing committee, JPC, in each local authority administrative area. The function of the JPCs is to serve as a forum for consultations, discussions and recommendations. There are 15 members of the JPC in Limerick. In addition, there are five Oireachtas Members, two members nominated by the gardaí, two local authority officials and seven community representatives.

I encourage Senator Byrne to engage directly with members, including the gardaí, at the local JPC where input can be made on policing plans for the local area.

It is important to note that the question of the dispersal and use of resources available to An Garda Síochána in the delivery of policing services to local communities is under consideration by the Garda Síochána Inspectorate. The appropriate structures and management arrangements for the most effective delivery of policing services are under consideration by the Commission on the Future of Policing in Ireland. I expect both bodies to report to me later this year and I look forward to studying both reports. In the meantime, consideration should be given by the local joint policing committee to the matter of the station, in conjunction with local gardaí, to see how we can advance the matter, as has been submitted by Senator Byrne.

I appreciate the Minister's response. I regularly attend the joint policing committee and I will engage with the chief superintendent and members of the joint policing committee. Castletroy is the fastest growing suburb in Munster. It is expanding at a huge rate. There is a case to be made. I will engage with the joint policing committee. I thank the Minister for his response. When I have further information I will come back to the Minister with it.

I will be very happy to engage with the Senator in any way that might be deemed constructive or helpful. I visited Limerick recently. I reiterate that Garda management keeps under review the overall policing arrangements, including the operation of Garda stations and the assignment of personnel throughout the area, having regard to factors such as crime trends, policing needs, other operational strategies and the issue of population trends, which has been mentioned by Senator Byrne. I want to ensure that optimum use is made of Garda resources and that the best possible Garda service is provided to the public. I am happy to have this debate this morning. I thank Senator Byrne for her interest in the issue and for bringing the matter to my attention. I am happy to keep her informed of the developments and I trust she will keep me informed of the issue from a local perspective.

Census of Population Publication

I thank the Leas-Chathaoirleach for facilitating my Commencement matter on the need for the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht to release the 1926 census records. Access to the 1901 and 1911 census returns for the entire island of Ireland has been available for public research for around 50 years. The digitisation of the 1901 and 1911 census returns by the National Archives has provided a wonderful national heritage resource, which is freely available via the Internet. Its phenomenal success has greatly increased the interest among members of Ireland's diaspora in their ancestral links to Ireland.

Cabinet papers are made available after 30 years and they frequently contain sensitive material which can make or break reputations and provide a fuller picture of how Government operated at the time. Could we accept a situation in which some material in our census is classified and other material is not as happens with some police records where examinations are made of what may or may not be released? I would like to hear what the Minister of State has to say on that point.

A period of 100 years is too restrictive. Back in 1993 this issue was discussed in the Seanad Chamber and I think it was Senator Manning who noted that the most turbulent period in modern Irish history ensued in the years following the censuses of 1901 and 1911. The outbreak of the First World War, in which around 49,000 Irish men were killed, occurred in 1914. The Easter Rising was in 1916 and the First Dáil met in 1919. There is a black hole in our memory. I have a Bill that would allow for the release of the census. It would give special heritage status to the 1926 census and bridge the gap in our records covering this very important period from 1911 to 1926. What is the likelihood of the Department being up for that? Would representatives from the Department have conversations with us on that likelihood?

Ar dtús, tugaim aitheantas don Seanadóir fá choinne an tseans labhairt ar an t-ábhar tábhachtach sin inniu. Táim thar a bheith sásta a bheith ar ais sa Seanad.

I thank the Senator for raising the matter. The census of population 1926 is an historic collection of great value and interest for historians, researchers, the general public and the diaspora. There has been great interest in previous releases. While I acknowledge the historical significance of and keen interest in these data, it is not possible to release the records at this time.

The Statistics Act 1993 prevents the release of census forms until 100 years after the date of the relevant census for reasons of confidentiality. The 1926 census of population was undertaken under the 1926 Statistics Act, which did not permit any access to census records at any time. However, the Statistics Act 1993 repealed the 1926 and 1946 Acts and provided for the release of census forms from the 1926 census and all later censuses 100 years after the date of the relevant census. The 100-year period strikes the right balance between facilitating legitimate historical and sociological research while protecting the confidentiality of census data and the integrity of CSO procedures. The CSO considers that any amendments to the 1993 Statistics Act to allow for the early release of the census data before 100 years have passed could seriously undermine public confidence in the CSO and damage the credibility of the present day confidentiality guarantee.

The confidentiality of all statistical returns from individuals, households and business, including the 1926 census records, is guaranteed by law, and this guarantee is the cornerstone of all CSO surveys, not least of censuses of population.

Independence, objectivity and the guarantee of confidentiality are the core values of official statistics which have helped create a positive image of, and ensure public trust in, official statistics in Ireland. Any action that could lead to a weakening of that public trust would be detrimental, not just to the census of population but also to the broader activities of the CSO covering areas such as economic, business and social statistics. Concerns about data protection are increasing all the time and it is vitally important the CSO maintains the trust of all sectors of the community in this regard.

In addition to the legal and confidentiality issues, practical issues arise. Extensive preparatory work is required to prepare the 1926 census returns for digitisation as no database-microfilm exists, as was the case for the 1901 and 1911 censuses project.

The Department of Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht established a 1926 census working group, comprising officials from the relevant organisations, that is, that Department, the National Archives and the Central Statistics Office, to consider how best to enable the publication of the 1926 census records.

The task of preserving and digitising the 100 year old documents would have to be undertaken by the National Archives. There is a three stage process, as follows: one, conservation of the 100 year old census forms; two, scanning; and three, indexing and digitising the information so that people can quickly identify and find the specific information they seek.

The project will require significant additional financial, staffing and infrastructural resources in the National Archives. The archives are working towards building the necessary capacity to undertake and oversee the census, including a warehouse development plan and increasing its cohort of archivists as funding allows. As the necessary capacity is being acquired, the census project will be a priority for the National Archives once the decade of commemorations projects have been completed.

For the reasons outlined, while the Government fully understands the importance of the 1926 census, regrettably, it is not possible to facilitate the early release of these records.

It is disappointing. Even with regard to the Minister of State's own brief, the 15 year period would have enormous cultural and linguistic significance in that the Gaeltacht areas were much more extensive with Irish speakers existing in counties that today have no Gaeltachtaí within their borders, and yet the Irish language and culture had the backing of the new State.

I am concerned about this black hole in our nation's memory as we move through the centenary celebrations. It is similar to the lack of progress around a digital legal deposit which means future researchers will not have the ability to research current issues, such as the campaigns on the referendums for civil marriage equality and repeal of the eighth amendment, where websites disappear within 100 days. There are parallels in the lack of progress on these issues.

Would it be possible to meet officials in the Department to discuss the issue? As I mentioned, I have a Bill on the Order Paper which seeks to create a special status around this legislation. I would be interested in following this up in a meeting with officials in the Department, if that was possible.

I would be happy to facilitate that. The CSO has expressed an interest in meeting Senator Warfield as well. It would be happy to meet him to discuss the matter. I will make that arrangement with my Department officials.

Sitting suspended at 11.15 a.m. and resumed at 11.30 a.m.
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